Does anyone know why Gamblers Glen forum is dead?
And does anyone know what happened to the member Turbo Genius? What were his last posts ? Did he abandon roulette research or did he find the system of the universe? :D
My theory:
Basically the owner let it go to hell. More specifically:
1. He allowed biased and immature moderators like Herb/Caleb, who removed posts to win arguments. So anyone that he didn't agree with (numerous productive members) abandoned the forum
2. Very poor behaviour was accepted and people got sick of it (this is the moderator's fault). This includes people like mark howe posting with hijacked accounts. The moderators knew it, but didn't do anything.
There are a few individuals who contributed most to GG going downhill, but ultimately it still comes back to fishman ignoring it. But still if the moderators did their job properly and dint let personal nonense get in the way, it would still be a productive place. Ask Ken (mr j) and he'll probably tell you Caleb (snowman) as a poor moderator was a big part of the problem.
Also TG has a website, maybe contact him through it. But I personally never found he had anything that worked
Thanks for the reply :)
Quote from: Steve on Feb 20, 08:08 PM 2014
1. He allowed biased and immature moderators like Herb/Caleb, who removed posts to win arguments. So anyone that he didn't agree with (numerous productive members) abandoned the forum
Well.
That explains a lot.
Immature, you got that right.
Productive members abandoned. Winkel is productive. And to this day still has to deal with Caleb.
When will the buck stop? When?
This may end up like GG if it continues. Sorry to say.
I did not revive this thread to be a wise ass or start problems. Only to reinforce what most of us already know about the ongoing situation of this character and his new found bromance followers.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 20, 08:08 PM 2014
Ask Ken (mr j) and he'll probably tell you Caleb (snowman) as a poor moderator was a big part of the problem.
Can it still he said today that he is still a big part of the problem
I stand for what i believe in
This is still true
What to do about it?
Gamblers Glen is still around and was supposed to be closed September 2016 . No new registrations are accepted and if you forgot your password then no dice.
The latest word ( source unknown ) is that GG will live another year until Sept 2017 Still no official word from Fishman ( owner of GG )
1. Fishmans hosting accounts are probably just on auto renewal with credit cards.
2. I did not agree with calebs moderation. I've said before i had issues with him. But here there are different rules and he is adhering. Obviously you don't like him. What he says, while usually perfectly accurate, is unpopular and interpreted as trolling.
3. Like in real life, if you don't like someone, ignore them. If you don't want him to be able to post on your threads, use the system player section.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:49 PM 2016Can it still he said today that he is still a big part of the problem
He is not a "problem". Your perception of him and way you reac to him, all in your control, is a problem. I dont mean this in an insulting way at all. I'm saying if you dont like him, just dont pay attention to what he says. You seem to get all riled up over what is really nothing. You are burning your own energy. This is not important stuff to waste energy on.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 04, 06:52 PM 2016
1. Fishmans hosting accounts are probably just on auto renewal with credit cards.
2. I did not agree with calebs moderation. I've said before i had issues with him. But here there are different rules and he is adhering. Obviously you don't like him. What he says, while usually perfectly accurate, is unpopular and interpreted as trolling.
3. Like in real life, if you don't like someone, ignore them. If you don't want him to be able to post on your threads, use the system player section.
Its trolling
Whether what he says is right or wrong is irrelevant
He trolls.
Exactly what does he do that's trolling?
From previous times I know his behavior needs careful consideration. Previously it has been unacceptable. But what I see he does, which obviously annoys people, is he posts in threads when he says inaccurate information. And he explains the mistakes. That's not trolling. Imagine a world where any criticism, discussion and facts are banned because they're unpopular.
Some people have said the rules are too loose here. Actually I think they're very well balanced because everyone has freedom to express anything. There is open discussion, sharing, facts etc. And if you dont want to hear facts and be told you're wrong, there's even a place for you. I cant please everyone. The rules and forum setup is how to is to create the balance I think it needs. My only problem with it is most system players are trying to same old approaches we already know dont work. Because they dont understand why it doesnt work.
Who is he to say the right or wrong way to play roulette?
Its gambling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 07:43 PM 2016Who is he to say the right or wrong way to play roulette?
Mathematical fact is not "opinion".
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 07:43 PM 2016Its gambling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Nobody cares how anyone else plays, or if you play recreational. That's not the issue. Why is he not allowed to correct incorrect information?
It has all been said before. Inaccurate information can and does harm others.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 04, 07:47 PM 2016
Mathematical fact is not "opinion".
Nobody cares how anyone else plays, or if you play recreational. That's not the issue. Why is he not allowed to correct incorrect information?
Im not talking about mathematical fact
If someone likes creating strategies and playing that way with recreational money, for the love of the game,what exactly is he correcting? Nothing
Hurting the integrety of the forum. As he does on all forums
Hey man its ur forum. Im just pointing it out
I think your a good guy. You have an interest in sales not strategies but still a good guy
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 07:49 PM 2016You have an interest in sales not strategies but still a good guy
You see a fraction of what I do. Sales is not my primary focus. Even if it were, it would not make me a bad guy. What I teach are advantage play methods.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 07:49 PM 2016If someone likes creating strategies and playing that way with recreational money, for the love of the game,what exactly is he correcting? Nothing
Nothing wrong with that. And I explained you can just post in the system players area.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 04, 07:59 PM 2016
You see a fraction of what I do. Sales is not my primary focus. Even if it were, it would not make me a bad guy. What I teach are advantage play methods.
Nothing wrong with that. And I explained you can just post in the system players area.
Land share is cool
And i did post there. Mr j trolled it
Here's what happened at GG.
The administrator died.
This meant that new people couldn't join the forum, and existing members couldn't retrieve their forgotten passwords, or create new ones if they lost them.
It had nothing to do with moderation.
Quote from: The General on Sep 04, 08:03 PM 2016
Here's what happened at GG.
The administrator died.
This meant that new people couldn't join the forum, and existing members couldn't retrieve their forgotten passwords, or create new ones if they lost them.
It had nothing to do with moderation.
I understand you deleted messages to win arguments
Thats improper moderation
No wonder you attack turner for doing a proper job
Lets lay it all out on the table troll caleb
Im done eith you
I made my point
Even people who are "ok" with you now said the same things im saying back in the past
Piss off.
QuoteThe latest word ( source unknown ) is that GG will live another year until Sept 2017 Still no official word from Fishman ( owner of GG )-Tamino
It's so strange the way it just keeps going and going.
If I died, even if nobody took control of the sites, they would still auto renew for the next few years, or until my credit card expired.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 05:32 PM 2016
Well.
That explains a lot.
Immature, you got that right.
Productive members abandoned. Winkel is productive. And to this day still has to deal with Caleb.
When will the buck stop? When?
This may end up like GG if it continues. Sorry to say.
I did not revive this thread to be a wise ass or start problems. Only to reinforce what most of us already know about the ongoing situation of this character and his new found bromance followers.
I always find it interesting when members *SEARCH* *SEARCH* out old topics/posts in order to "get ya". (lol) I think the oldest post I might of quoted was going back....a week. :-X
It must be nice to have that kind of FREE TIME.
Ken
hey Mr. J I did not need much free time
I'm a lot more computer smart then you are. Took 3 seconds.
My point was to show that everyone at some point had the same view on caleb. even yourself. point made
Don't worry I am working on creating a "method play" forum
so you can feel better about the systems you play
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 08:01 PM 2016
Land share is cool
And i did post there. Mr j trolled it
Anything you dont like RG...is trolling. Tough s**t. Man up, let it go.
General knows a lot about the game, not a big deal.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:26 AM 2016
General knows a lot about the game, not a big deal.
I agree!
He just knows a lot about bypassing the game in which I have zero interest. I treat gambling as gambling. Just like you do when you play your systems! But he cheats, he does not play roulette.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:22 AM 2016
hey Mr. J I did not need much free time
I'm a lot more computer smart then you are. Took 3 seconds.
My point was to show that everyone at some point had the same view on caleb. even yourself. point made
Don't worry I am working on creating a "method play" forum
so you can feel better about the systems you play
So, there was a 2.5 year gap but you felt it necessary to comment? (lol)
You said...it took 3 seconds. That sounds like a "SEARCH". Am I correct?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:30 AM 2016
So, there was a 2.5 year gap but you felt it necessary to comment? (lol)
You said...it took 3 seconds. That sounds like a "SEARCH". Am I correct?
Ken
Ken
You may not believe this
BUT
I am off to the casino. It is all airball though :lol:
better than nothing I guess
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:27 AM 2016
I agree!
Just like you do when you play your systems!
I dont play systems. You play systems, I play methods. Are you gonna sit on the computer all day again?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:33 AM 2016
I dont play systems. You play systems, I play methods. Are you gonna sit on the computer all day again?
Ken
Write up a little something on the difference between a system and a method
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:32 AM 2016
Ken
You may not believe this
BUT
I am off to the casino. It is all airball though :lol:
better than nothing I guess
Per my question.....you said it took 3 seconds. Does that mean you did a SEARCH? (lol, I know you did, which is really fu***n strange). To do a SEARCH in order to comment BACK at a member(s) you dont happen to like. Get a hobby or something, too much free time on your hands.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:34 AM 2016
Write up a little something on the difference between a system and a method
If you dont know the difference, you already lost before you even started.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:36 AM 2016
Per my question.....you said it took 3 seconds. Does that mean you did a SEARCH? (lol, I know you did, which is really fu***n strange). To do a SEARCH in order to comment BACK at a member(s) you dont happen to like. Get a hobby or something, too much free time on your hands.
Ken
I did a search. Yes
I have seen the thread before, and remembered it. It was before that parasite posted here.
He probably did not post here because you were moderator. I know you two do not have the best history.
P.S. there is no difference in the game of roulette between a system and a method. No matter how the chips made it to that table you are against the same HE
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:40 AM 2016
I did a search. Yes
You did a SEARCH in order to argue, just admit it. Who does s**t like that?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 05, 11:45 AM 2016
You did a SEARCH in order to argue, just admit it. Who does s**t like that?
Ken
No, you got it wrong.
Not to aruge. It was to make a point. That everyone had the same viewpoint on him at one time.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 11:45 AM 2016
No, you got it wrong.
Not to aruge. It was to make a point. That everyone had the same viewpoint on him at one time.
So you did a search of a topic from 2.5 years ago in order to make a point, WTF?
BTW...I just bought these Matt's cookies and they suck. Dry as hell.
Ken
RG I'll say it again. You care way too much about caleb. You are wasting your own time and energy with this crap. A different forum isnt going to help in your situation. I already created the system players area and you're still going on about caleb.
Also we all already know a lot of people have a problem with him. This stuff is going in circles and I'm sure other members are tired of it.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 05, 08:20 PM 2016
RG I'll say it again. You care way too much about caleb. You are wasting your own time and energy with this crap. A different forum isnt going to help in your situation. I already created the system players area and you're still going on about caleb.
Also we all already know a lot of people have a problem with him. This stuff is going in circles and I'm sure other members are tired of it.
If you do not see a problem with the fact that every intereaction he has is either a clash or a negative one, then I don't know what to tell ya
I'll leave it...
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 05, 09:36 PM 2016If you do not see a problem with the fact that every intereaction he has is either a clash or a negative one
It is a clash, or perceived as "negative", when people insist on concepts being true, when they are false. He corrects them, and people take offense to being corrected. It is not just him that does this. He is just more persistent than most. Azim thats a good image, and accurate. It is important to see both sides.
Its a loop:
1. people say untrue things
2. He corrects them. Most of the time calmly. But he runs out of patience sometimes with the same nonsense all the time, so he sometimes appears arrogant about it (and he is a bit, but not to a serious degree at this forum)
3. People attack him and take it personally.
4. He responds by being a smart arse.
Big loop. Again if its a problem, use the system player forum.