Puting is to defend his Russian ppl.of imported American terrorists that are throwing out Russian ppl.from
their flats and houses in Kyiw.f.....k you Obama,if you read this.
I'd like to hear more about this. American terrorists? Throwing people out of their houses? Please, say more on this subject.
Russian parl.just/few minuts ago/decided to send their army in Ukraine to defend their ppl,there.....the masked ppl.that occupied Kyiw for 3 months,and now are throwing Russians/140.000/from their flats and houses,are proved American paid terrorists.War is inevitable,as am constantly on Ukraian and Russians
tv chanels.Good help us all.
Kind of on the same subject....... I have always wondered about WW3, North Korea, China and Russia vs. America (and any country willing to help us). Dont rule this war out.
Ken
I don't think WWII has finished just yet....never mind WWIII.
A lot of this Ukraine sh*t is just more CIA sponsored BS. I don't think the Russians are as gullible as a lot of U.S. folk and won't stand for it. So we could be in for some fun + games.
Quote from: ugly bob on Mar 01, 12:45 PM 2014
I don't think WWII has finished just yet....never mind WWIII.
A lot of this Ukraine sh*t is just more CIA sponsored BS. I don't think the Russians are as gullible as a lot of U.S. folk and won't stand for it. So we could be in for some fun + games.
Right on the nail...the fun already started in east of Ukraine....and Klicko/boxer/call for
mobilisation of Ukraian army.......LOL....He thinks is in the boxing ring...what a bs.
It is very difficult to know what to believe since all we can know is what our governments tell us. All governments lie about anything that doesn't fit their agenda. I can't say our government is telling us the truth about the Ukraine and I can't think of the slightest reason to believe anything Putin has to say about the situation. He has stated that the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the dissolving of the old Soviet Union so we know where he is regarding the Ukraine. Obama certainly doesn't have the guts to stand up against Putin/Russia. He'll probably just follow along on the shirt-tails of Eastern and Western European countries. Seems like they're the ones who have the most skin in this game.
Twenty years ago I thought we were entering a time of world peace. A time when countries would live and let live. Unhindered by war. Now it's getting worse than ever.
You're right, Ivo. WWIII is just one misstep from a reality. We've lived pretty good lives, my friend. I was hoping to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren. Doesn't look good for that wish to come true!
All I know to do is pray for peace and the Ukrainian people. If war breaks out there, the Ukrainian people will suffer the most.
GLC
Teo - I haven't read anything about what you say about the situation with Russia ?
What I just read was that the Ukraine is an independent country & Russia has a large military/naval base on the Crimean Peninsular under an agreement for it with the Ukraine Govt. Russia has no direct say in how the Ukraine is run. CIA ? Russia too could/would be there, KBG/FSB maybe ?
No doubt most of us remember both Russia & the USA still have thousands of nuclear missiles.
I also read that there's political unrest in the Ukraine & the leader was thrown out & fled to Russia (I suppose Moscow ?). There is now a new political group in control. It's because of this unrest that Russia is threatening to invade the Ukraine so as to protect it's interests there.
He was forced to leave,together with some others,under treaten of death,and the new political group with ex.boxing champ.of the world Klicko,who wishes to be a president mostly arived from overseas to Ukraina to take over.I ask you one question;What would Obama with his police do if tomorrow 3.000 ppl.occupy square in NY with baricades....would he negotiate for 3 months or clean it for a day ?????
Under threat is a huge trade deal with the European Union. On top of all is Obama warning Russia not to Invade an Independent country on the threat of sanctions against Russia.
If 140,000 people have been thrown out of their homes where are they living now ? Why were they kicked out ?Many of those gone to Russia.....those radical terrorist/as Kyiw is without police now/that come from many countries around/as they are paid for that/Bulgaria,Romania,Serbs,including Ukraian ppl.from Carpats/mostly shepards/throwing Russian families from their houses and flats and moving there....all in front of this illegally choosen present leaders.
Remember Teo in 1991 Russia changed forever by being divided into 15 seperate countries. One of these being the Ukraine, so for over 22 years now people that live there are Ukrainians & not Russians. Yes the language may be the same & people that live there would probably have a choice to live in one of the other 14 "Russian" countries or stay where they are ?Not quite so.
Having just read a little more on what's going on, it's certainly a complex situation. It seems that eventually the struggle will lead to a better life. There never as both are corrupted.
Corruption & lack of law & order are big problems. They way I read things it's educated Ukranians leading the fight for a better life for all it's citizens.If Klicko is educated,I'm then dr.sc.med.and many others.
They way forward is to eventually raise living standards to those of some EU countries like Germany & France.Mentioned countries are only looking for buss.poss.nothing else,no free nothing with EU.
I don't see much, if any USA support for terrorists ? How do you know this is a fact Teo ?
My wife is Russian and we have info from a first hand.
I'm glad I live in australia Teo, so far away from all this danger & trouble. Do you live in the Ukraine Teo or somewhere nearby ? I was glad when I lived down under for years......Croatia.
Realistically there's no use in getting too upset about the situation as 99.999999999 % of people can do sweet f... all about it. I can't do anything about it, what about you Teo ?Nothing....
As history shows political struggle & unrest has gone on for thousands of years. Ukraine is now adding another chapter to that history.
On a lighter note - Forget roulette ? - Heaven forbid. What about that other 2 roulette games, RUSSIAN ROULETTE & DATING ROULETTE ?
More goverment BS.
okay chaps forget about putting the world right ,you elect your gov to do that, just get back to the game >:D
Teo - So you lived in Australia for years, one of the best & most trouble free countries in the World. Why didn't you stay here & make a good life for yourself like hundreds of thousands of Central Europeans have over many decades since WW2 ?
Perhaps you & the wife could try to resettle back here in kangaroo land ? At least you'd be away from all the drama that you can do nothing about anyway.
Hammer - The problem is that the elected Govt. in the Ukraine has been illegally overthrown, so there will be no game to get back to if WW3 erupts, thus the title of the thread.
Aus you answered correct, the drama you can do nothing about.
So just carry on with your game
world super bikes last weekend was good ausguy
Hammer - I suppose in a roundabout type of way roulette & the bikes have one thing in common. They both go round & round & always end up where they started from or maybe it's two if they have 37 or 38 riders on the grid.
Can a person make some money by following/betting the hot numbers (riders) ahla roulette ?
like it Aus
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 01, 06:38 PM 2014
okay chaps forget about putting the world right ,you elect your gov to do that, just get back to the game >:D
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Not me I vote no one.
same here, as there the biggest crooks in the country,just look at their expenses, still trying it on and getting away with it.
Bankers now, stop me now,RBS
NON VOTERS allow people to get the government they don't deserve. Voting in OZ is compulsory & you get fined if you don't front up to vote. There's nothing to stop anyone from making an invalid non vote though. I would always vote even if it was optional.
Hammer - What's your deal when on one hand your saying "okay chaps forget about putting the world right, you elect your gov to do that..."
Then on the other hand in response to warriors comment "Not me I vote no one". You say " SAME HERE, as there biggest crooks........." ?
The worst case is the USA when Obama got back again in 2012. With around 241 million eligible voters a massive 42.5% didn't vote (official stats), that's 102.4 million people too lethargic to get off their fat a.r.s.e.s. & get to a polling booth once every 4 years. They're free to do that but they're not free to gamble off shore on line ?
Look what they've got. Congress at stalemate over debt which sees the country going down the gurgler. Oh ! Only $17 TRILLION in DEBT, ONLY 40 million on food stamps, ONLY 10 million + living in tents, Detroit gone bankrupt, still self appointed global policeman.
Being in Australia doesn't mean I don't know/see what's going on in the World as the crisis in the Ukraine is only now hitting the mainstream news here.
you know those politicians are only lining there pockets, getting wifes to take the rap for driving offences,etc,etc
N T H - Yep your right about the pollies. It's no different in OZ where last year our Prime Minister [PM] (= President etc.) got a $146,000 pay rise. The base salary now exceeds Obama's $400,000 @ $507,000. 3 months later after July 2013 = Sept 2013, due to inflation, the poor bugger got another $15k. Later this month it'll be same again (1/2 year review). On top of that is their allowances the PM got $647,000 in expenses + unlimited air travel anywhere + an open ended spend A/C. Fair go the pollies say, we've got to put food on the table too.
Once booted out the poor old ex pollie has to survive on a lifetime pension of over $5 grand per week (indexed for increases due to inflation). Only has 4 Govt. paid staff for his free office & expenses & a chauffeur driven luxury Govt. supplied car. A gold pass airline ticket for unlimited 1st class travel within OZ & 4 1st class trips O/seas per year for 2 (wife/lover etc.).
Compared to normal pensions, where extra income reduces your payout, pollies can collect theirs & get another job on top. Most do as ADVISERS to big business, directors etc. It's not unusual to read about an ex pollie getting $ 1/2 mill. P.A. on top of their pension.
The latest plan from these rorters is to increase the retirement age to 70 but doing nothing about age employment discrimination for people over 50.
All will be sweet for the privileged ones as they cruise along in the back of their tinted window big shiny Govt.(tax payer) car.
I thought WW3 would start in 2008 with the war in South Ossetia.
Maybe it will start now with the situation in Ukraine.
Whenever it comes, it will be manipulated by the international bankers ( banksters ) for their own profit.
Hopefully one day people will unite and realize that the real enemy is the bankers and their supporters like religious leaders, politicians, judiciary, etc. Then then people can take action to eliminate those parasites.
IMO, only when that day comes will we have something that resembles true freedom.
S B - Sth Ossetia & Ukraine are 2 different animals, simply because of the population base.
Wikipedia shows Sth. Ossetia with a comparitively small 70,000 population. There's no way a major world power country would have started WW3 over what they would have regarded as a minor country. As it turned out an uneasy truce was made & so the conflict eventually ended.
The Ukraine's population is around 45.5 million & this has the potential to blow out to something very serious if the opposition to Russia has the fire power to take them on ?
It seems that the Russians want their Crimean base at all costs. That's their main Western sailing access to anywhere & everywhere. No doubt they have plenty of nuclear missisles there & other heavy fire power to fight any war.
Perhaps it's better they control it rather than a large force of angry opposition soldiers & reservists ?
The thing we don't want is hot heads getting access to the NUKE missiles & hitting the launch buttons for Moscow & other targets in & beyond Russia.
France & UK has Nukes as well & we all know what the USA has. It's almost too big to contemplate XYZ more nukes than WW2/USA had on Japan.
ausguy, that is your opinion, but I must disagree.
My point was that WW3 will start sooner or later, and who will be the puppet master behind the curtain.
Nuclear weapons would only speed up the end for everyone because we are all being nuked daily ( remember fukushima ).
It is only a matter of time.
What was it Einstein said when asked what technolgy will be used in WW3?......on the lines of "I'm not sure but WW4 will be sticks and stones.
S B - Not everyone is being nuked every day. Southern Hemisphere is pretty safe, the further South the better so OZ looks OK.
More than sad for the Northerm Hemisphere that has the majority of the Worlds population.
Fukishima is tragic but also let's not forget Chernobyl, almost right in the backyard of the Ukraine hot spot. I was only reading about Chernobyl the other day & how the area is stuffed for at least 20,000 years. Many animals died all over Central & Western Europe, up around Norway UK & Ireland & beyond.
It's not known how many people have died & still dying well before their time, it could be in the millions ?
Australia had doses of radiation too in the 1950's when the Poms were out here doing as they please in our arid regions testing lots of nuclear bombs. A TV program did a damning investigation about it all a number of years ago (Freedom of info.block lifted). It centred on an electronic repair guy in Brisbane ( maybe 2,500 km from the test zone on the Sub tropical East coast) who did work for mining companies including Geiger Counters GC (uranium exploration).
He'd finished a GC repair & had left the machine turned on, being the rainy season the steady rain turned into a heavy deluge. The guy heard the GC starting to buzz/click like they do, he thought that's strange & what's wrong with the machine & picked it up walking closer to the window as he checked it. The GC buzz got louder & then quieter as he moved to the centre of the room. He went back to the window & discovered that the rain was radioactive.
He alerted the authorities to eventually get a visit from a group of plain clothes Fed officers who confiscated every bit of his equipment with a warning if he caused trouble for them they would easily discredit him as they had all the evidence. How many people died early from cancer is not known ?
Also both Fukishima & Chernobyl both have a disaster rating of 7 out of 10 but Chernobyl released (& is still releasing some) more radiation than Fukshima because of less containment with the open/damaged roof.
As to South Ossetia you may well disagree but history shows that the conflict did end & WW3 was never on the horizon, only hints of it. Perhaps supporting your opinions with some facts would be of value to this debate ?
The USA or any other nuclear armed nation would never start a conflict that could kill 10's of millions of people "just" to try & save 70,000.
As to the Ukraine, Obama is threatening sanctions not military intervention & this is far more serious than Sth. Ossetia.
There's been a lot more severe situations than Sth. Ossetia, like the 1960's & the Cuban missile crisis with the USSR backing down under a USA ultimatum. The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq & Saddam Hussein where the USA & Allies had 200,000 troops fighting there. All that & still no Nukes used in anger or mass invasions of millions of troops because for the USA & Russia it's a MEXICAN STANDOFF on steroids, as my guns are as big as yours..
Gents,
Started this thread only as a warning what could happen......but reading your comments am aware most of
you aren't acquaint what is really happening in Ukraine...as medias informs you/us as suits em.
Who were demonstrants in Kyiw for last 4 months?....unswer;PAID;Bulgarians,Romanians,Belorus,Polish,Serbs
and only about 20% real Ukraians.
Why ex.president Janukovich escaped????....if he didn't that night he would be late now.
What happened after.........so called demonstrant robed Russian ppl.living in Kyiw,throwing em out from their
flats and houses,and by today more then 750.000 Russian ppl.escaped to Russia to save their lives.
How do I know all this and more.
I am watching 4 Ukranian tv chanels,4 Russian chanels on 8 diff.televisions/as in each of my guest apartments there is a tv.and no guests here now/furthermore have,relatives,via wife side there,and know
real truth.Your west medias will never inform you about this exodus there.
Why Putin is taking back Crim to Russia......67%ppl.there are Russians......Crim was always Russian,but ex.
late president Hruschow donated Crim to Ukraine as his wife was from there....maybe sound stupidous but
it is true.
Now the new,so called governmewnt in Ukraine,forbids speaking in Russian language/even thought almost
same/the new nacionalists took over,financed by Obama and EU as they see west Ukraina as their partners,
where they can build their banks and control things overthere,and geting cereals for free,as UA is a largest
producer in the world.It is one large bussines from EU and Obama points of view.......BUT they aren't aware
that Ukraian/exclude nacionalists/ and Russian ppl.are real brothers and would never fight against each other.Crim proves that and what presently is happening there,but Obama wish opposite...War.....Putin don't
wana it,ppl.don't wana it........but present nacionalist government in Kyiw call for a war......Why ?????
Cause country is in financial colaps...ppl.didn't get their due pensions this month,and only with war they could justify their illegal positions and expected help from the west.Tomorrow it will be East and west UA
something we already seen in ex Yugoslavia scenario.
teo - As you previously answered, there's nothing you can do about the conflict there. So there's no easy solution to a complex problem.
Safety for you, your wife, family & relatives is number 1. If death is a risk then you don't have much choice but to find a safe haven for the family group.
If things don't get better & they don't look like they will for a long time. Then basics like food & electricity may stop & what then ? Starve to death ?
Russia & Eastern Europe has a long history of conflict & displaced people. If you don't change your location then nothing will change.
Watching 8 TV channels, grinding your teeth & punching the table doesn't get you anywhere. I suggest you turn the sets OFF, calm down & put all your energies into helping as many of the family that want to get out to actually do it.
SBS (ethnic) television here in OZ is showing plenty, probably some of the same video you have watched on TV over there ?
All the very best with everything teo.
Quote from: GLC on Mar 01, 02:19 PM 2014
All I know to do is pray for peace and the Ukrainian people. If war breaks out there, the Ukrainian people will suffer the most.
GLC
This post by GLC is the best in this entire thread.
i hope you are taking steps to prepare for anything
I surely did,though aware nothing would help if it bangs.
I never realised 'til now that this thread had a podium ?
Praying for peace achieves next to zero. In WW2 10's of millions of people prayed like never before & look what tragically happened.
Around 9 million German & Axis power military & civilians died.
Around 40 million Allied military & civilians died.
That's not too far off the entire population of the Ukraine.
so are you saying praying doesn't work
N T H - Surely it's obvious that I'm saying praying doesn't work. More to the point can you show that it does ?
I just went on Wikipedia to further show why : Here's just a few of a long list of deaths with wars throughout the centuries.
Mongolia 60 million 1206 - 1324. WW2 1939, already mentioned in an earlier post, 49 million & maybe up to 80 million? No one really knows ?
WW1 1914 30 million. Napoleon 1882 6 million. Vietnam to 1975 3.8 million. American war of Independence 1775 1. 3 million.
Further to the debate go onto you tube & pull up and listen closely (play it over a few times) to a song by Eric Burden called Sky pilot. It may be from quite a few years ago but still very relevant today as it was from day 1.
There actually is evidence that can change the structure of water, and affect moods and thoughts of surrounding people. Just as emotion can do. But when a tank is about to run you over, yes praying isnt really going to help. One guy praying to god in his bedroom wont do much either. Any other emotion, such as hate, is infectious too.
If you had 100 people praying and sending out loads of "good vibes", and 1 angry guy with a tank, guess who wins.
The whole "system" of our world allows the wrong people to come to power, and takes the power away from people they are supposed to serve. There may always be "selfish" (or evil) people. The real trick is having a system that cant be exploited by them. I believe it starts wit local councils who restrict planning and development, and this creates scarcity. We have enough land for the whole world to live in say Texas comfortably. One of the problems is we are all crammed into cities.
Sorry this may be off track here. There is so much nonsense in the world going on but we are all part of the problem whether we see it or not.