hi guys,
Am new on board and have read through some of the thread in this forum. Wonderful information and advise out here.
There is something that i have been trying on simulator and result have been kind to me.
tried searching but to no avail on this forum for the information so decided to post it out and see if anybody came across this betting system.
Prerequisite
Bankroll - 250 units (one number) / 500 units (two number)
Charting - identifying hot/cold number
betting
select your number based on the charting (identify the hottest number / 2 number)
start betting as follow
lets take example 1 number - 17
step 1
bet 1 unit on 17
if you lose, bet another unit on 17 and so on until the 35th bet
step 2
if you lose the 35th bet on 17, now bet 2 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 2 units on 17 and so on until the 53th bet
step 3
if you lose the 53th bet, now bet 3 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 3 units on 17 and so on until the 65th bet
step 4
if you lose the 64th bet, now bet 4 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 4 units on 17 and so on until the 69th bet
step 5
if you lose the 69th bet, now bet 5 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 5 units on 17 and so on until the 80th bet
step 6
if you lose the 80th bet, now bet 6 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 6 units on 17 until 86th bet
if you lose these, then can go home and sleep it off.
at any point if you win, revert to step 1.
Its a very slow grind but usually on roulette-simulator site, after 500 spins, i will be up around 300 units.
i have attached the calculation spreadsheet so you guys can take a look how i calculate the bet amount and winning.
*ps
i am from singapore and our stupid government requires us to pay a levy to enter the casino here so i did not have the chance to try it out in our local casino.
2 months down the road, i will be visiting malaysia genting casino and i will test it out in real casino.
henrykay - welcome to the forum. Numbers have a habit of appearing & then disappearing (sleeping) for hundreds of spins. One number betting is a high risk/high reward way to bet. Remember that the single zero wheel has 37 numbers. Basic mathematics gives 1/37 & a 2.7% chance of winning & a 97.3% chance of losing. Going home & sleeping any loss off doesn't work as when you wake up your wallet is still as light as it was before you went to sleep.
You might consider playing more than 1 number ? Proofreader has many ideas in this area to start with.
As you plan on a future visit to a live casino it should be of some benefit to visit on this forum > Home Page > Roulette Focused > Money Management.
Also Home Page > Resources & Downloads > Real Roulette Spins. Perhaps more real world results than a random number generator electronic simulator site would be better ?
The levy entry factor should be in your MM plan (money management). Surely a reasonable price to pay for some no bet spin testing visits ?
Insufficient bankroll (BR) is usually a receipe for failure. In other words too much is far better than not enough. Even if it takes 6 months or a year to get an adequate BR together then so be it. The game will still be there just like it has for many generations.
Financial mindset is important too. Playing on a shoestring = low BR is usually a futile effort. Live casino play is expensive when related to day to day living in most parts of the world. Is on line live dealer play viable for you in your country ? On line is usually a less expensive way to play ?
If you go on line make sure you carefully read all the terms & conditions. Bonuses can be a trap with large play through conditions.
Plenty of testing & homework ahead henrykay, best of luck with it all.
hi ausguy,
thanks for the welcome and information.
yea. i am planning to get a full BR of 2000 units with each visit BR of around 300units (this is for local visit :twisted: ) not sure if it is sufficent but well since i am new to roulette, i will adjust the BR as i learn more about the game.
however, i might want to get some more data crunching done before i paid for some no bet spin testing
So far besides simulation, been trying out the real spin data in the real roulette spin zone.
in Singapore, we do have access to some of the live dealer casino so i can use some data from there as well :)
i agreed. much much more testing and homework before i will actually bet some money in :)
keep you all updated on the testing and homework result :)
hehehe a little update on the testing and homework.
so far simulated 2800 spins from the real roulette spin data.
based on initial bankroll of 1000 units.
profit of 521 unit
i made a little changes to the betting system.
identify a hot number then begin betting on it.
upon achieving 100 unit profit, switch to identifying of next hot number and carry on
using this, so far in 2800 spins, there is hit rate of 82.35% on the hot number.
only 3 number that is chosen miss and suffer a loss but overall the session brings in 521 units of profit.
of cos this is a small sample for now. i intend to run up nto 100,000 spins simulation with the real roulette spin data and see if i end up positive or negative.
Stay tune for more result :)
update
the initial betting progression doesn't work out too well. so i made some further changes to it and run a 23k data spin so far
initial bankroll 1000 unit
result so far
profit unit - 5467
winning percentage 79.71%
lossing percentage 20.29%
will continue to simulate it and see if the result stays constant and not just due to luck.
update if anyone wish to know :)
initial bankroll 1000 unit
result so far at 35k spin simulation.
profit unit - 7403
winning percentage 79.55%
lossing percentage 20.44%
once i hit 50k spin, i will be heading to local casino for some real local spin data :)
looks promising and hopefully this is not a case of luck :)
Finally hit 50k spin hahaha. took me some time but seems promising :)
initial bankroll 1000 unit
result so far at 50k spin simulation.
profit unit - 11160
winning percentage 80%
lossing percentage 20%
time to head over to my local casino, do some real time data capturing :)
Quote from: henrykay on Apr 12, 09:27 PM 2014
hi guys,
Am new on board and have read through some of the thread in this forum. Wonderful information and advise out here.
There is something that i have been trying on simulator and result have been kind to me.
tried searching but to no avail on this forum for the information so decided to post it out and see if anybody came across this betting system.
Prerequisite
Bankroll - 250 units (one number) / 500 units (two number)
Charting - identifying hot/cold number
betting
select your number based on the charting (identify the hottest number / 2 number)
start betting as follow
lets take example 1 number - 17
step 1
bet 1 unit on 17
if you lose, bet another unit on 17 and so on until the 35th bet
step 2
if you lose the 35th bet on 17, now bet 2 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 2 units on 17 and so on until the 53th bet
step 3
if you lose the 53th bet, now bet 3 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 3 units on 17 and so on until the 65th bet
step 4
if you lose the 64th bet, now bet 4 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 4 units on 17 and so on until the 69th bet
step 5
if you lose the 69th bet, now bet 5 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 5 units on 17 and so on until the 80th bet
step 6
if you lose the 80th bet, now bet 6 units on 17
if you lose, bet another 6 units on 17 until 86th bet
if you lose these, then can go home and sleep it off.
at any point if you win, revert to step 1.
Its a very slow grind but usually on roulette-simulator site, after 500 spins, i will be up around 300 units.
i have attached the calculation spreadsheet so you guys can take a look how i calculate the bet amount and winning.
*ps
i am from singapore and our stupid government requires us to pay a levy to enter the casino here so i did not have the chance to try it out in our local casino.
2 months down the road, i will be visiting malaysia genting casino and i will test it out in real casino.
This is mr j system.
hi warrior,
i did a quick search for mr J but couldn't find anything about that. would you be able to point me to the right link?
the current method that i used, is similar to what i posted earlier but have made various changes to it.
now i just pending to go test it out at a real casino, instead of just testing on data in the real roulette spin section.
:D
My bad its not his but I did see this somewhere.
hehe no issue. i would love to visit the link that you seen this so that will shortcut my testing for me if there is such a method out there already.
and if it is proven to be not working. lolz i can save my time.
Hello Henry,
Thanks for sharing your system. Any update ? Have you tried this in real life yet?
Cheers,
Steven
Hi henrykay,
Have you got RX code for your system, I have live spins about 8000 and i want test your system. I have Roulette xtreme designer but i don't know how to write the code. Thanks in advance for your time.
Warm regards
George
sorry for disappearing for awhile :P
haha was playing around with the testing and i am back to post my result.
i have 2 sets of result to post.
Set 1 - real life result.
i played at my casino back in Singapore. Yes, i purchased the annual membership and boy it was expensive. $2k per annual hahaha.
Total Bankroll - 1,810 units
Total time spend in casino - 2 months (3-5 hours per day) yes, it is tiring especially i went after work
Unit bet - range from 1 unit to 40 units depending
Total profit - 5027 units
Set 2 - live casino result (live result from german casino)
Total simulated time - 7 months (5 hours per day)
Unit bet - range from 1 unit - 40 units depending
Total profit - 11160 units
target profit every session is around 100 units and time spend is around 2-4 hour per session.
every 10 session, i ran into 1 or max 2 losing session
per losing session, you will lose 362 unit but the over profit covers the losses.
i would love to code this system into a computer system and we can run even more testes on it. not like my own manual test haha keying in 1 by 1 manually into excel.
Henry..TurboGenius coded this into RX many years ago. I will find the sight link and code tonight. Im on an android phone at the moment. Off the top of my head....it was called "another hot number test"
Very interesting results. Could you describe the changes that have occurred in the system from first post.
hi ozon,
initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.
the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.
unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3
the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.
let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket :)
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.
hi turner,
cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.
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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.
Hi HK,
When do you consider a number to be hot? After it appears 2, 3 , 4 or more times?
Thanks for your reply and happy to hear you're pocketing the casino's $$$$.
G.
Quote from: henrykay on Sep 19, 11:35 PM 2014
hi ozon,
initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.
the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.
unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3
the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.
let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket :)
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.
hi turner,
cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.
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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.
HK, This is not a criticism, it's just an observation. What you are playing is a martingale progression for straight up numbers, 35:1. All martingales have a realistic possibility of not hitting until the bankroll is exhausted or the bet size tops the table limit.
We all know that a martingale for even chances 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024-2048-4096 gets way out of hand in the worse case scenarios. For a straight up number, it takes 35 times as long to develop, but it can develop. You may use enough steps in your martingale that it's very rare to run across the sequence from hell, but it's always possible. The only thing that's variable is your bet qualifiers. It's difficult to factor those into the equation other than the fact that they don't ever change the advantage from the house to the player.
I don't mean to state the obvious, well, yes I do. Maybe not for you, but for guests who may be reading this and aren't as savvy as most of the members. If you use fewer steps in your progression, you'll reach your stop loss more often but you won't have as much to recover after a loss. The more bets you incorporate in your progression, the longer between losses so the longer time you'll spend recovering losses when you lose. Two or three losses close together can wipe out your bankroll. Well, maybe not yours, but most people's
We are all ecstatic to hear that you have taken a good chunk of our losses back from the casinos. Better one of us have them than the casinos. I like your statement that you're not going to give it back. I suggest you determine a percentage that you're willing to risk before you stop if you're in a losing trend. Maybe 25% - 50% of your winnings. That would still leave you with a nice bonus.
I read of a guy who used the martingale playing blackjack and won over $20,000 before hitting the run from hell and giving all of it back plus his own $5,000.
Our own dear friend Flatino, many years ago, used a dozens system based on a martingale progression and won in excess of $200,000 before he had a run from hell and lost most of it back before he pulled up. If I remember right, his winning streak lasted a couple of years. His losing streak lasted a couple of hours. And he knows more about roulette than anyone else I know. Granted this was many, many years ago. Maybe before he gained most of his knowledge but he used it as an example to warn me not to get too c***y when winning. I pass it on to you and all who are reading. Remember his admonition: It's better to get wounded than killed! So take plenty of ammo, but keep plenty in reserve.
Good Luck to you cobber,
GLC
Nice post George
Quote from: GLC on Sep 20, 12:46 PM 2014
HK, This is not a criticism, it's just an observation. What you are playing is a martingale progression for straight up numbers, 35:1. All martingales have a realistic possibility of not hitting until the bankroll is exhausted or the bet size tops the table limit.
We all know that a martingale for even chances 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024-2048-4096 gets way out of hand in the worse case scenarios. For a straight up number, it takes 35 times as long to develop, but it can develop. You may use enough steps in your martingale that it's very rare to run across the sequence from hell, but it's always possible. The only thing that's variable is your bet qualifiers. It's difficult to factor those into the equation other than the fact that they don't ever change the advantage from the house to the player.
I don't mean to state the obvious, well, yes I do. Maybe not for you, but for guests who may be reading this and aren't as savvy as most of the members. If you use fewer steps in your progression, you'll reach your stop loss more often but you won't have as much to recover after a loss. The more bets you incorporate in your progression, the longer between losses so the longer time you'll spend recovering losses when you lose. Two or three losses close together can wipe out your bankroll. Well, maybe not yours, but most people's
We are all ecstatic to hear that you have taken a good chunk of our losses back from the casinos. Better one of us have them than the casinos. I like your statement that you're not going to give it back. I suggest you determine a percentage that you're willing to risk before you stop if you're in a losing trend. Maybe 25% - 50% of your winnings. That would still leave you with a nice bonus.
I read of a guy who used the martingale playing blackjack and won over $20,000 before hitting the run from hell and giving all of it back plus his own $5,000.
Our own dear friend Flatino, many years ago, used a dozens system based on a martingale progression and won in excess of $200,000 before he had a run from hell and lost most of it back before he pulled up. If I remember right, his winning streak lasted a couple of years. His losing streak lasted a couple of hours. And he knows more about roulette than anyone else I know. Granted this was many, many years ago. Maybe before he gained most of his knowledge but he used it as an example to warn me not to get too c***y when winning. I pass it on to you and all who are reading. Remember his admonition: It's better to get wounded than killed! So take plenty of ammo, but keep plenty in reserve.
Good Luck to you cobber,
GLC
hi GLC,
yes definately i am going to put out a certain percentage from the winning i get so far and treat my family / friends.
i do understand your point that at some point of time, i am definitely going to run into a "nightmare" run and get wipe out.
I will be doing this often.
win take out percentage keep it and use the rest and capital. Should 1 day i get wipe out,, then it will be the end of my run using this system because i know there is no system that could win forever. I am just waiting to see when it will come. and at the mean time, i am happily enjoying the money i taken back from casino on all your behalf :twisted:
My capital will and always be only 1810 units. the rest i have pocket it and it ain't coming out from my pocket.
cheers man and thanks for the advice :twisted:
Quote from: henrykay on Sep 19, 11:35 PM 2014
hi ozon,
initially, i only bet the hot number that came out and without any cut off spin number. this impact the time spent greatly. i could be spending more than 5 hours and not hitting my target and this make it very hard to recover back when you suffer the losses.
the changes that i did to the betting, is that i introduce some rules.
unit 1 bet - 35
unit 2 bet - 19
unit 3 bet - 12
unit 4 bet - 9
unit 5 bet - 8
unit 6 bet - 6
unit 7 bet - 5
unit 8 bet - 5
unit 9 bet - 4
unit 10 bet 3
the first rule is to change your bet number if it hits after 70 spins when you start betting on it
the 2nd rule is to change your bet number if it fails to bring in 50 unit of profit when you hit 80 spins
the 3rd rule is never to bet 0. - for some reason, 0 are the most likely number to cause a loss.
the 4th rule is to change number when your spin hit 200 spins.
let's see if this betting holds up.
as for myself, i have pocketed 25k hard cash and it is staying hot and sweet in my pocket :)
i am only betting $5 per unit so i consider this a win unless i am super lucky for the past months.
hi turner,
cool. let's try to make this into a simluator and run tonnes of result in and see if it really works and not due to i am lucky lolz.
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We have a common enemy, the casino. Let's win their money.
Hi HK,
Thanks for sharing your system, I tested on Dublinbet for a few hours the other day after reading your updated post from the 19th, and I managed to win 2 sessions, however, I was playing with both the original progression posted using your attached grinding sample spreadsheet, and the "rules" from the very first post.
Do you have an updated spreadsheet as per the new progessions as above, I could probably work it out myself, thought I would ask? :)
Regards
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Sep 21, 03:29 AM 2014
Hi HK,
Thanks for sharing your system, I tested on Dublinbet for a few hours the other day after reading your updated post from the 19th, and I managed to win 2 sessions, however, I was playing with both the original progression posted using your attached grinding sample spreadsheet, and the "rules" from the very first post.
Do you have an updated spreadsheet as per the new progessions as above, I could probably work it out myself, thought I would ask? :)
Regards
Jim
there ya go :)
Thanks :)
I covered the whole board except 36 and repeated the bet but removed chips from any winning number + incremented all individual numbers after 35 then 20 spins, etc.
The most I was in profit during that session was 300 near the end of the 3 chip betting and start of 4 chip betting when at least half the board had cleared.
I was left with 3 numbers that never came in, and by then had lost all the profit.
Pretty good system IMO!
I think it's better to cover about 2/3 of the board - perhaps wait for 9-12 numbers to drop in on empty spins and exclude those. And then somewhere in the 2-3 chip range look to end session on a 200+ high with about 6 numbers left.
Could you please tell us the betting scheme for quads/corners and splits? I guess it would be 1 chip for 8 spins and 1 chip for 17 spins respectively; how about the rest after that?
One problem I noticed with your spreadsheet: you multiply the payout by the units, but then you add a unit to the total; for example:
1 winning chip on a number = 35*1+1 = 36 (according to your spreadsheet)
But your profit is only 35*1 = 35! (the chips you wager are not part of your profits)
hello all,
been awhile since i logged in.
yeah, falkor. i did factor in the 1+ bet as i calculate base on total return - bet amount.
i didn't try betting quads/corners.
when i started, i mainly stick to 1 number and now i moved to 2 number :) massive work to be done tho keeping track of what i have bet and which level i am at.
some records for you all tho.
so far after my last post, i have doubled my bet amount and betting 2 numbers simultaneously.
i have profitted roughly 10000 units from since then haha but i ran into a losing streak of 3 continuous losses haha that wipe out my capital for that run lolz. but then looking at the points that i have accumulated, i spent my Christmas and new year with my family in MBS's room and we have a great time. although they do not know i went to casino almost every day.
if you break my run into per session, i have suffer major losses but previous gain make it up.
i have pocketed some cash and are glad that i have gotten some $$ back from casino.
those who are using the system. remember this. losses will come and something it will wipe out what you have gain.
use with cautions and mos importantly do not be greedy and gamble with what you can't afford to lose.
cheers and i will be back to post more in a couple more months :)
Months?
HK, Thank you for your update. It's exactly what is expected. I appreciate your attitude toward gambling. We can all learn from it. It's my philosophy exactly. That is, try to enjoy the game and expect to win most trips to the casino but be aware that you will have big losing sessions periodically. Maybe the very first time you play. It's all random. That's why we need a stop loss that's well within our loss toleration.
It's your topic and you can post as many details as you choose, but a little more detail would make it much more interesting. Like, could you go into a little more detail on this "...I ran into a losing streak of 3 continuous losses haha that wipe out my capital for that run." And to elaborate on this for those who don't understand the power of getting points from a casino would be interesting, "... but then looking at the points that I have accumulated".
Good luck to you in the future and please do update us as often as you get the time,
GLC