i found this one to be a working strategy, so far.
street group A: 1/3, 10/12, 13/15, 22/24, 25/27, 34/36.
street group B: 4/6, 7/9, 16/18, 19/21, 28/30, 31/33.
Trigger: wait until streets group A or group B has hit 3 times in a row, then bet the opposite group. (if A has hit 3 times, start betting group B etc)
progression: 6 streets negative progression 1,2,4,8,16...
I like that betting style Ignatus, but have concerns how deep we can go with Martingale progression.
Do you need a thick wallet to play this method ? Ross.
The graph is impressive, Ignatus. Perhaps play a few bets, then stop and wait for another trigger.
Would that be a safer strategy ?
Would it make any difference if we used each alternate street to be Group A. and Group B ?
My thinking is that it would be just a little easier to place bets, but you may have a reason for "grouping" as you have done.
Thank you for presenting your method What is your mavimum bet ? Should we wait for more than three hits in one group before betting ? Ross.
Streets on the layout have no relation whatsoever to the number placements which are set on the mechanical wheel!
SAS
Quote from: rossco on Jun 26, 12:52 PM 2014
I like that betting style Ignatus, but have concerns how deep we can go with Martingale progression.
Do you need a thick wallet to play this method ? Ross.
yes, but change the trigger to 4 or 5 hits ....
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jun 26, 01:44 PM 2014
Streets on the layout have no relation whatsoever to the number placements which are set on the mechanical wheel!
SAS
ofcourse not, but this random-setup seems to work, atleast for short streaks
playing with 5u chips, it passed 600spins without bust, and 2000u+ profit (live spins)
If you're betting one unit per street
wouldn't the progression be 6,12,24,48,96...
How much bankroll would you recommend for this system?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 26, 04:47 PM 2014
If you're betting one unit per street 6,12,24,48,96...
wouldn't the progression be
How much bankroll would you recommend for this system?
yes, that's correct. well, atleast a bankroll come up to progression step 5: 1,2,4,8,16. From my experience (when testing), i seldom go beyond progression step 5.
to makes things easier i would say a bankroll minimum 378 that would cover 6 steps in the progression in your calculations 6,12,24,48,96,192.. also set the trigger to 4 or 5 hits..instead of 3
How is it going? Still winning with this. Ive tried it an other way. Taking the last 12 spins and marking them
BAABAABABBAA Then playing the opposite with good results These are the last few games I've played
LWLWLLWWLWWW LWWWLW WLLLLWLWWLW LLWWLLLWWLW WWLLLWLW as you see I dont always play the 12 spins I stop on a win.
Its just an idea maybe give it a test?! Played your way too, waiting for 5 A's or B 's working perfect so far :)
Cheers Dave.
Good you're winning. well, i am too scared to play this for real to be honest, now i tried play with the trigger set to 5 hits, still it happens that progression goes to 5th and 6th step (and beyond) this i would call extreme events,..
I did try this last night. Started with $100. Ended the session with $250. I was surprised with the result.
I modified it to suit myself. The groups A and B that I used were each alternate street.
Basically, I waited for two consecutive hits on a group, and bet for a third, but I waited for a miss, and bet the next. Well, that is how I won last night. Thanks, Ignatus !
Great! ;D
This would probably work with " double " streets.
Group A. Could be 1, 4, and 6.
Group B. Could be 2, 3, and 5.
Results may be similar. The starting bet would be 3 units, or for me, $3. Always play live Roulette, where there is a dealer, a wheel, and a ball, of course. NEVER RNG.
My Bankroll did go down, but I managed to recover. Perhaps it was just luck, but I would be willing to try betting this method, or something based on this method, again. Ross.
Quote from: rossco on Jun 29, 07:40 AM 2014
This would probably work with " double " streets.
Group A. Could be 1, 4, and 6.
Group B. Could be 2, 3, and 5.
Results may be similar. The starting bet would be 3 units, or for me, $3. Always play live Roulette, where there is a dealer, a wheel, and a ball, of course. NEVER RNG.
My Bankroll did go down, but I managed to recover. Perhaps it was just luck, but I would be willing to try betting this method, or something based on this method, again. Ross.
i tried your tweak with the ds, trigger 3 hits. seems to work just fine so far, (live spins)
group A ds 1,3,5
group B ds 2,4,6
Hi Ignatus, Rossco
Could you post some examples?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Roulette player
Quote from: Roulette player on Jun 29, 03:22 PM 2014
Hi Ignatus, Rossco
Could you post some examples?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Roulette player
well, it depends on your playing style, if you use streets (and how you place them) or if you use doublestreets.
Basically it's very simple, divide streets (or ds) into two groups A and B, (6 streets or 3 ds each) wait for a trigger of your choise, (i prefer 3 hits in one group "A", then bet for the other "B"). Trigger can be set to 4 or 5 hits, if you like. this has already been explained, i don't think an example would make it easier, really...
For those of us who are testing this, what is the most loses you have had in a row? Mine is 6
Re providing numbers for my winning session. I could probably do that, but at the moment, I have issues in my own life, and would prefer somebody else to do this exercise. I have no expectation that I will win at the next session. However, I will probably give it another try. If the progression gets
" too steep ", I may have to adjust it as I go. Ross.
For those of us who are testing this method, what is the most losses you have had in a row? Mine is 6 Ignatus what is the most losses you had in row when you were testing?, looks like you have tested over 1000 spins. I think you have come up with some thing worth looking into here! Good Man!!
Quote from: sturrock on Jun 30, 12:38 PM 2014
For those of us who are testing this method, what is the most losses you have had in a row? Mine is 6 Ignatus what is the most losses you had in row when you were testing?, looks like you have tested over 1000 spins. I think you have come up with some thing worth looking into here! Good Man!!
Hi everybody!
Ignatus, thanks for sharing your ideas.
Once, it went up to 16 spins without group change, with a zero coming around the middle (I recovered cause I play 0, too). The rest of it, up to 10-11 (Live Wheel).
The RXtreme statistics from 4 sessions [2 RNG download casinos (3000 & 11000 spins), 2 Spinbanks (44500 & 66500 spins)] show an EC-bet behaviour:
1-3 hits in a row: approx. 89%, 1-5: 97%, 6-7: 2%, 8-9: 1%, 10+:0,2%
Another successful method is: after 5 EC hits in a row (5 red/black,odd/even,low/high), bet the same EC (never gone more than 9-10 spins). I wait for 3-4 opposite EC to come and then bet.
From my own experience, " chasing " is dangerous.
STOP, and wait for the next trigger.
Otherwise, your Bankroll will be gone !
Patience is a Virtue ! Ross.
I was a little critical of this at first. However I have now combined this with my house system numbers and pattern breaker and I have not been beaten over three spins! I usually win on the first spin after the trigger which is only 3 spins!
Admittedly, I have only PLAYED real money for a couple of hundred spins but so far it's winning!
I am lucky that where I live there are three casinos within walking distance. So I play in one. Win 20 units without getting into any deep trouble. Then I walk to the next casino. Win my goal of 20 units and then maybe, if I have the time or inclination I may go to the third.
If you are not greedy. This will win!
PS : To the guy who wants to bet 96 units during a progression..........is it any wonder the casinos welcome you with open arms!?
SAS
Just played on Betfair.
4-4-1
7-7-1 WWL
4-4-1 WWL
7-7-4 WWW
4-4-4 WWL
1-4-4 WLL
I only play for one win. So won on first spin five times. 20 units profit - goal reached.
I'll keep 'testing' - I mean PLAYING! I actually play for real money!
SAS
Hi SAS,
I like your style.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
Latest from Dublinbet
1-4-1
7-4-4 W
1-1-4 W
1-4-7 LW
1-1-1 LW
4-4-7 W
4-7-7 LW
4-4-1 LW
7.......W
This is the randomest bet in the history of random! It's more random since the only person in the world named Mr Random met Miss Random at the only dance in Random town!
SAS
Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 01, 05:27 AM 2014
Latest from Dublinbet
1-4-1
7-4-4 W
1-1-4 W
1-4-7 LW
1-1-1 LW
4-4-7 W
4-7-7 LW
4-4-1 LW
7.......W
This is the randomest bet in the history of random! It's more random since the only person in the world named Mr Random met Miss Random at the only dance in Random town!
SAS
SAS, could you please explain what's 1-4-7 (maybe with spun numbers) and how much you bet?
Thanks!
SAS will you tell us how you are combining the systems together? I have played your house system with great success Very interested!
Cheers
Dave
To be fair to ignatus who want I thank very much for part of my new system and not to hijack his thread any more I think it is only proper to start a new thread.
When I have worked out the text to explain it properly I will post. Then I will hope people will contribute to even improve this so far unnamed method.
Thanks also to John Legend for his pattern breaker
And thanks to me for my house system!
THANKS AGAIN TO IGNATUS,!
SAS
And I thank every body toooo! ;)
its a great idea (mathematically) to assume that a 2 series or single will come before 3 series. So this idea is correct from a maths view. it doesnt, however, consider variance, and the variance is same as betting EC. In fact, it is the same as waiting for 3 red and betting black.
if you think betting against a higher series in favor of a lesser series, it makes sense, but it is best to bet against a much higher series, as it is much more rare to continue to an even rarer series as opposed to it stopping.
look at the last 6 or more streets. The wheel always produces extremes.
last>>>>10,1,22,22,17,31,29,10,7
up to 7, this is an EC (6 streets) which has hit 8 times. This is rare in EC (clearly not in random)
So bet streets 2,3,5,7,9,12
And you dont have to wait 317 spins to see it as red or high or odd (series of eight) or 74 spins (6) or 654 spins (9). You saw a series of eight in eight spins....not 317.
These things are happening all the time. See, red is just one set of 18. There are millions of groups of 18 happening all the time.
look at random, not the pretty colours
And Ignatus is thinking "why is Turner being so nice?"
Well I wont disappoint.
Any school boy knows betting martingale on EC is the "most proven disaster waiting to happen"
Perhaps 122, or 123 or cycles. Even labby is a bad idea for EC. perhaps read some GLC.
I do often
Thanks Turner. :) Nice seeing you around, haven't seen you for awhile!
i am aware of the risks playing this strategy, with martingale, yes it's waiting for disaster. i mention this earlier. i myself had to go further than six step in the progression, even waiting for a trigger set to five...anyway, i don't know what other progression that might be better? stoploss is also a good idea...
i didn't know this strategy would be so popular and liked here at rouletteforum, the responses are over my expectation, really.
How about a trigger set for 10?
Or a difference of 10 between the two groups.
Example: A has 5 hits, B has 15 hits (trigger)
Bet A with the six-leg progression.
Maybe it would be a good system to "Bot" with a trigger set to 10 or even 12 it would save sitting for hours waiting???? Just an idea!
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