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First off, thanks to everyone on all of the Roulette Forums for all of the great theory and strategy info.

The following is a system that I have culled together from John Legend's "Pattern Breaker" methodology and the standard Labby betting progression. It has yet to lose, so I welcome anyone who can shoot it down. Please note that this system is only for use on a live wheel, as I have not tried it on the RNG Systems. As always, jumping from table to table is preferred, but not mandatory for success. This system can be played after only 3 spins (most cases) of charting.

Bankroll : $300-500 ($1/1 unit bet)

Average wins (conservative) : 1 unit/ 3 spins (ex. 12 spins = 4 units won)

Betting Size : $2-$100 (max-betting includes complete bet for two dozens - ex $1/$1 - $50/$50)

The System :

Start by recording the first three spins (or more if you prefer) to make the first line using the results from the Dozens (or Columns).

Ex. Spins : 19-15-31-27-25-17-34-03-03-16-17-04-15-18-07-05-32-29

...so your first line is

223 (first three dozens) - we are now going to bet that the next line is going to be different (but with a bit of a twist that you'll see in a moment)
3      w (betting on other two dozens to win - 1/3 in this instance)
33    w
332  w

...so now the first two lines read

223
332   ...then
3      L    ...so now we will wait to bet again until we have another win (so we are betting for streaks of different results)
31    w (no bet, but first win is a trigger so bet next spin-always following win)
311  w

...continuing

223
332
311   
221  wwL (two wins, loss, and then wait for another win)
221  LLL (three loss, but no bets, so no problem)
1      w (trigger - no bet)
13    w
133  w

So our total win loss line so far looks like this :

223
332  :
311  Lww
221  wwL
221  LLL
133  :

:L:Lww

Betting Progression :

I use a simple three step Labby as follows :

l
l
l

...for every loss you will add 2 units to the Labby like so :

l
ll
ll

...next bet 1 unit (x2 - 1 for each dozen)

results (remove top line from Labby)

ll
ll

...next bet 2 units (x2 - 1 for each dozen)

results (remove top line from Labby)

ll

...and on until you're done-winning 3 units.

Here is what the progression would have looked like played out for each bet:

:L:Lww

l
l
l
-------w
l
l
-------w
l
-------w

start new lines (+ 3 units won)

l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
-------w
ll
ll
-------w
ll
-------w

start new lines (+ 3 units won)

l
l
l
-------L
l
ll
ll
------w
ll
ll
------w
ll

....and so on ...

The power of this system is that it appears to keep the losing streaks to a bare minimum. Due to the long winning streaks, I would suggest any rare betting situation which reaches 50 units (100 units total bet) to be added as lines instead of adding to the existing lines in the event of a loss to keep from reaching table limits. I have not seen a bet reach 50 units, but i'm sure it's possible at some point if you play long enough. Also, I treat the Zero(s) as losses (add to Labby) where they appear, and play through as if they do not exist.

I have studied roulette over the years as a hobby, and own a production/design company that takes up most of my time, but I will try to respond to any questions if you have them.

Happy Hunting!!! :)


                                                                                                                                       theLaw

Wow!  Nice first post.  Well thought out and articulated.

"...The power of this system is that it appears to keep the losing streaks to a bare minimum. Due to the long winning streaks,..."

This is a powerful statement.  I definitely agree with it. 

And, I really like your use of the labby.

Thanks,

GLC

Hi thelaw,

Thanks for your PB idea!  :)

First try resulted in +31 over 96 spins. Hit 2 zeros as well.
Highest Bet=5 on each doz.

w/L registry (without the non-played L's and w's due to rule of wait for w after a L):

wwL:LwwLwLwLwL:wL:LLwL(0)LwLwL(0)::wL:L:wwLLwLwL::LL:::w

Nice!

A.

Sample Game : (actual spins - live wheel - single Zero)*   

Spins: 180   

Win: +66 units (+1 unit/2.7 spins)

*No zeros in this game, but I used this game because it was a particularly ban run in terms of losses. W/L ratio is usually closer to 3/1*

Bets Won : 75**

Bets Lost : 38

**added lines to 9 bets - all single line (marti) over 3 units - helps to keep any multiple losses low verses when bets are higher

Max Overall Drawdown : -01

Largest Bet : 24x2 (-48 total bet)

Longest Losing Run : 4 Bets (uncommon-usually 3 max most games)

Longest Winning Run : 7 Bets (common up to 12)

Longest Wait for Trigger : 3 + Trigger (4 total)


Dozen   w/L      Total    (underscore =no bet including triggers)
222      (first line charted)
321      wL_      -01
213      :   +04
122      :   +07
221      wL_      +06
333      :      +11
312      L_w      +12
312      L_ _      +10
321      _ _w      +11
332      L_w      +11
131      wL_      +13
321      wwL      +12
332      _ _w      +16
321      L_w      +13
323      L_ _      +02
212      :   +19
122      wwL      +19
221      _L_      +17
123      wL_      +14
323      wL_      +08
111      _ww      +24
331      wwL      +24
221      _wL      +25
132      _ww      +26
222      wwL      +29
221      _ _ _      
121      wL_      +27
113      _ _ w   +30
132      L_w      +28
131      L_ _      +16
222      :   +34
113      :   +37
312      wL_      +36
321      L_w      +34
133      :   +41
233      wL_      +40
331      _L_      +38
332      L_ _      +34
222      wwL      +34
111      _ww      +45
131      L_L      +41
322      _ww      +45
313      L_w      +43
222      :   +50
233      L_w      +51
223      L_L      +47
221      _ _ _
213      L_w      +46
133      wwL      +52
213      _wL      +49
121      _ww      +57
323      :   +60
331      L_w      +59
133      wL_      +57
133      L_ _      +51
332      _L_      +39
313      L_w      +39
212      wL_      +61
332      wwL      +58
121      _ww      +66

Total : +66

Just had a quick go on Smartlive Air Ball Fun money

2 2 3
2 2 1 L L VW
3 1 1 W W L
1 2 1 VW W L
1 2 2 VL VL VW
2 3 1 W W W

It works  ;) Much the same as the "Supa Dupa" by SAS

I think that "Supa Dupa" by SAS is more random due to the fact
that there is no cluster of 12 numbers or 24 nos together on the
table.

The idea of stopping after 1 loss, wait virtual win to restart betting
is very good.

So Chris What is the one to play????    :-[  So confused lol  :question:

Hi Law,

Welcome to the forum!   If you say losses never go beyond 4 (or what is the longest loosing run with this) usually only 3 would it be safe to use progression 1 3 9 27 ??
Just a thought?
Great system  Thanks.

@Sturrock

I have  been playing the traditional 2 dozens for several years;
Recently I have started playing "Supa Dupa".

I think if we combine the two systems together we have
something great. Random vs Random; Stop after 1 loss;
wait VW to restart betting with preferred progression, whether
foolproof or labby.

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 09, 11:26 AM 2014
Hi Law,

Welcome to the forum!   If you say losses never go beyond 4 (or what is the longest loosing run with this) usually only 3 would it be safe to use progression 1 3 9 27 ??
Just a thought?
Great system  Thanks.

Hey Sturrock,

I always assume that there are longer possible loss streaks, so a Marti seems very risky.

Thanks! :)

                                                                                        theLaw

Quote from: Chris555p on Jul 09, 11:34 AM 2014
@Sturrock

I have  been playing the traditional 2 dozens for several years;
Recently I have started playing "Supa Dupa".

I think if we combine the two systems together we have
something great. Random vs Random; Stop after 1 loss;
wait VW to restart betting with preferred progression, whether
foolproof or labby.

Very Effective! - Tested this and it works very well, but wanted to find something with lower Bankroll (Supa=4x bankroll) to make it more accessible to players :)

Just played Real Money on SMARTLIVE Air Ball Just £1 units made £10 in about 20 mins very easily. 3rds progression 1 3 9 27

3 2 1
2 1 1 W W L
3 3 2 VW W W
1 2 1 W W W
1 3 2 L VW W
3 3 1 W L VW
1       W        WINNING GOAL;  10 UNITS UP

The stop and wait after a loss is great!!!

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 09, 12:04 PM 2014
Just played Real Money on SMARTLIVE Air Ball Just £1 units made £10 in about 20 mins very easily. 3rds progression 1 3 9 27

3 2 1
2 1 1 W W L
3 3 2 VW W W
1 2 1 W W W
1 3 2 L VW W
3 3 1 W L VW
1       W        WINNING GOAL;  10 UNITS UP

The stop and wait after a loss is great!!!

But aren't you giving a real win away?

Hi SAS,

No I don't think so because you might have 4 or 5 losses before a win? And you are going for a string of wins and cuts out a string of losses. What does anybody else think?
Confused of the Isle of Wight 

Well. You have given SIX real wins away in your last 2 games!

SAS

Mmmmm?  Now you've got me thinking? :question:

Anybody else with their input please :thumbsup:

Some of the losing streaks can get pretty nasty if you play them straight through. Just run the math on a string of 8-9 losses as an example.

This system is a conservative approach; more wins=more risk :)

Hi Sturrock,

Am trying this for safety and so as to curtail rising progression:

Playing exactly as "thelaw" says EXCEPT waiting for W-L-L to occur after stopping on a L before resuming.

+1 on each DOZ after a loss. Reduce to 1 when level or ahead

Playing to win 3 games per session

REAL EXAMPLE
=============
213 - start line
112 - w L w          +1 ; -1 (next bet @ 2)
312 - w L  L          trigger to resume
131 - w w w         +1 (down to 1); + 2; +3            = +3 target
==========
121 - L w L          -2 (next bet @ 2)
221 - w L L          trigger to resume
123 - w L w          +0 (down to 1) ; -2 (next bet @ 2)
332 - w w w
331 - L L w           trigger ; +0 (down to 1)
331 - L L L            -2 (next bet @ 2)
211 - w w L
133 - w w w
333 - w L L           trigger to resume
113 - w w L         +0 (d to 1); +1 : -1 (next bet @ 2)
213 - w L L           trigger to resume
131 - w w w         +1 (d to 1); +2; +3                    = +3 target
==========
313 - w L(0) w w  +1; -1 (next bet @ 2); +1 (d to 1) ; +2
1xx - w                +3     Stopped 3 games won        = +3 target
==========

TOTAL = +9pts profit
52 spins
Highest bet = 2-2
W/L Registry: wL:LwLwLwwL:wL(0):
21 bets placed; 15W; 6L
Longest Losing Run=1

A.

Here is my idea with thelaw's recent published results above...


Dozen   w/L      Total   
==================================================
222      (first line charted)
321      wLw     +1; -1 (next bet @ 2)
213      : 
122      :   
221      wLw     
333      :   
312      Lww     
312      LLL      trigger; -5 (next bet @3)
321      Lww     
332      Lww     
131      wLw     
321      wwL   
332      Lww     trigger; -2 ; +1 (next bet @ 1)
321      Lww     -1 (next bet @ 2)
323      LLw      trigger; +1 (next bet @ 1)
212      wwx     +2; +3                                              = +3 target
==================================================
122      wwL     +1; +2; +0 (next bet @ 2)
221      wLw     
123      wLw     
323      wLL     trigger
111      wwx     +2 (d to 1); +3                                 = +3 target
================================================= 
331      wwL     +1; +2 ; +0 (next bet @ 2)
221      wwL     
132      :     
222      wwL     
221      LLw     trigger; -4   (next bet @ 3) 
121      wLL     trigger
113      Lww     -10  (next bet @ 4)
132      Lww   
131      LLw     trigger ; -6
222      :    -2; +2 (d to 1); +3                           = +3 target
=================================================
113      :   +1, +2, +3                                        =  +3 target
=================================================
312      wLw     +1; -1 (next bet @ 2)
321      Lww     
133      : 
233      wLL      trigger
331      wLw      +1 (d to 1); -1 (next bet @ 2)
332      LLw      trigger; +1 (d to 1)
222      wwx      +2; +3                                           = +3 target
=================================================
111      :     +1; +2; +3                                      = +3 target
=================================================
131      LwL      -1 (next bet @ 2)
322      :     
313      Lww     
222      :   
233      Lww     
223      LwL     
221      LLw      trigger; -5 (next bet @ 3)
213      Lww     
133      wwL     
213      wwL     
121      :     
323      :   
331      Lww     
133      wLw     
133      LLL       trigger; -11 (next bet @ 4)
332      wLw     
313      Lww     
212      wLw     
332      wwL     
121      :      no more results. This game is incomplete
==================================================

+18pts profit from completed games (last game still would be in progress...)
Highest Bet so far=4-4
LLR=3
W/L Registry: wLLwwL:wwL:wLLL::wwLwL::LLL...?
180 spins. 39 bets placed: 27W;12L

A.

How long would 180 spins take?

1pt profit per 10 spins.

SAS

Quote from: SpinASequence on Jul 09, 03:29 PM 2014
How long would 180 spins take?

1pt profit per 10 spins.

SAS

I know. Can be slow - but play for say 2 or 3 games then take a break or stop maybe until later...
The idea is to try and bring less risk which means lower stakes and lower bankroll hopefully.
For instance 'thelaw' stated he played a high of 24-24 unit stake in those games whereas I am still on 4-4.
I suppose if you're playing low value units it's not so bad anyway. The less spins you play the less chance of encountering the 0
Some live dealers spin pretty fast eg: betfair live roulette - so things can move along quite fast - although I've noticed with that game you can get frozen out and terminated if you don't play stakes regularly... Ones like SmartLive don't seem to bother and you can wait all you like but the delay between spins can be 45secs-1min each...

A.

Hi Atlantis
I think your idea is fantastic WLL after a loss but you could grow old at the table. Maybe if play high units it will work?

Keep the ideas coming This is great !!!  8)

Hi Atlantis

Would u please explain your progression above.....?
Do u add 1 unit after a loss, and reduce by 1 unit after a win....?
Thanks


Cheers


Chris

Great!

Dont understand the labby proposed by thelaw well... :-[

What happens if...


l
l
l
...L

l
ll
ll
...L

??

and

l
l
l
...W

l
l
...L

??

Quote from: Chris555p on Jul 10, 04:18 AM 2014
Hi Atlantis

Would u please explain your progression above.....?
Do u add 1 unit after a loss, and reduce by 1 unit after a win....?
Thanks


Cheers


Chris

Hi Chris,

After each losing bet:
1) wait for w-L-L signal
2) increase current stakes by +1 to each dozen...

After each win:
1) remain at current stakes level
OR
2)Reduce to base bet of 1-1 only if level (previous recorded high) for current game or at a new high for current game
OR
3)You are winning +3u or more overall. Stop - the game is won!

Session=3 games.
Target = +3 per game

Up to you whether you reduce stakes down -1 after every win. I stay at same stakes until break even or get ahead in game...

* = new or level high

Game just now:

311 - start line
121 - wwL          +1*; +2*; +0 (u to 2-2) wait for w-L-L
133 - Lww
313 - wwL
331 - Lww          trigger; +2* (d to 1-1); +3*                     +3 target   
================================

Regards,
A.

Hi Atlantis

Thanks for your quick reply.

Yes, your progression as you have explained is much less risky than the
traditional marty 1,3,9,27,81.


Cheers


Chris

Hi Gang, Just played on DB  using traditional Marty 1,3,9,27 and not playing WLL or waiting for a win after a loss Just betting on every spin just to see how it goes! Biggest unit on each Doz was 27 (Scary) Probably wont play this way again till we've done much more testing to see what is the greatest No. of looses in a row? But I really do like this system!

2-2-3
3-2-2 WLW
3-1-1 LWW
3-1-3 LLW
1-1-3 WLL
1-2-3 LWL  biggest draw-down
1-3-3 LWL
3-1-1 WWW
1-3-2 WWW   6 wins in a row   Stopped up 13

OK this next game on DB proves that waiting for a virtual win after a loss works. Played Marty of 1-3-9-27

2-1-2
1-3-3 WWW
1-3-3 L VL VL
1-1-2 VL VW W
2-1-1 W L VW
2-1-1 L VL VL
2-2-2 VL VW W   6 UNITS UP    9 WINS 9 LOSSES

Hi Sturrock,

Here is a session of the ORIGINAL way by "thelaw" but using less riskier progression (+1 if behind after a L, or reset to 1-1 if level or ahead)

* = level or new high

231 - start line
322 - w w w          +1*; +2*; +3*
333 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
311 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
233 - w w w          +4* ; +5*; +6*
231 - L vL vw        +4 (u to 2)
132 - w L vw         +6* (d to 1)
322 - w w L           +7*; +8* ; +6 (u to 2)
231 - vw w w         +8* (d to 1); +9*

+9pts profit in 27 spins.

HB= 2-2

:LwL:wLwLwwLww

18 bets - 13W;5L

A.

Thanks for that atlantis Its all looking good  :thumbsup:

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 10, 09:03 AM 2014
Thanks for that atlantis Its all looking good  :thumbsup:

Hi Sturrock,

Yes. What I like is that you can start off with a winning run sometimes - it's also good at trapping the winning runs and blocking the unwelcome losing runs...
It uses JL's matrix and PB methodology against random and you can use a variety of progression tactics. As you can see I don't like sharply rising ones (even though this looks fairly safe - you never know) but there is room for flexibility.
You can stop when u like really or when a few units ahead - but its nice to stop with a little profit. You could compound your profits by playing a little higher stake on each successive winning game. (even if only a few pence or cents!)
A spreadsheet could help there - maybe increase by 1% of total bank on each game or session? Would be more businesslike and professional. :)

Good Luck,
A.

Quote from: jarabo002 on Jul 10, 05:24 AM 2014
Great!

Dont understand the labby proposed by thelaw well... :-[

What happens if...


l
l
l
...L

l
ll
ll
...L

??

and

l
l
l
...W

l
l
...L

??

l
l
l
...L

l
ll
ll
...L
-now Labby looks like...

ll
ll
lll (always use first line to indicate bet and add losses to last line first)
-------------------------
l
l
l
...W

l
l
...L
now the Labby looks like...
ll
ll

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 10, 08:57 AM 2014
Hi Sturrock,

Here is a session of the ORIGINAL way by "thelaw" but using less riskier progression (+1 if behind after a L, or reset to 1-1 if level or ahead)

* = level or new high

231 - start line
322 - w w w          +1*; +2*; +3*
333 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
311 - L vw w         +1 (u to 2); +3* (d to 1)
233 - w w w          +4* ; +5*; +6*
231 - L vL vw        +4 (u to 2)
132 - w L vw         +6* (d to 1)
322 - w w L           +7*; +8* ; +6 (u to 2)
231 - vw w w         +8* (d to 1); +9*

+9pts profit in 27 spins.

HB= 2-2

:LwL:wLwLwwLww

18 bets - 13W;5L

A.

Hey Atlantis,

Had the same thought early on about trying this safer progression , but found that it is a slow grind and in many cases will eventually lose :)

Hi thelaw,

Am I right in thinking your labby progression goes something like this  - if there were successive losers....?
If you got 6 results: LLLLLL
Would the progression be: 1,1,2,2,3,3 on each dozen?
Still don't properly understand it, I'm afraid.
Thanks,
A.

Quote from: atlantis on Jul 10, 09:59 AM 2014
Hi thelaw,

Am I right in thinking your labby progression goes something like this  - if there were successive losers....?
If you got 6 results: LLLLLL
Would the progression be: 1,1,2,2,3,3 on each dozen?
Still don't properly understand it, I'm afraid.
Thanks,
A.

Hey Atlantis,

A Labby is just a modified cancellation system, with the idea being to limit the number of bets that you have to win to make a profit. I learned it from a post where someone asked about the worst loss percentage ever recorded (135 losses out of 200 spins), and the question was "What if we were guaranteed to win 65/200 spins-How would we distribute the 135 losses?".

Here is how I would play the 6 losses (note that we are not talking about real losses in the game -312-312-312-312, but losses using the original triggers from my first post)
l
l
l
-----L (next bet 1x2-always from first line)
l
ll
ll
-----L (next bet 1x2)
ll
ll
lll
-----L (next bet 2x2)
lll
llll
llll
-----L (next bet 3x2)
lllll (5)
llllll (6)
llllll (6)
-----L (next bet 5x2)
lllllllll (9)
lllllllll (9)
lllllllll (9)
--------(next bet 9x2)

Also, keep in mind that you could start adding lines at any point if you reach table limit, or bets get too high; unlikely, but possible :)

Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave. :thumbsup:

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 10, 11:33 AM 2014
Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave. :thumbsup:

Hello Dave,
Can you please show what you mean by the "foolproof progression"?
Is it the one where you increase by 1 win or lose?
Can you show example please.
A.

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 10, 11:33 AM 2014
Hi the law and Atlantis have any of you tried the foolproof progression yet?
Cheers
Dave. :thumbsup:

Tested this including several variations - unfortunately, does not work. Bets reach much higher than Labby with less wins overall even with stop-loss

The Labby's greatest asset is the fact that you can adjust as you play (add lines, choose bets. etc)  :)

Hi    Atlantis
The Foolproof progression is
Raise bet 1 unit after a loss and drop 1 unit after a win, Then flat bet  (same amount) until another loss then plus 1 until a win then drop again after a win the same bet until a loss again
e.g.
start with 1 and loose, plus 1= 2 loose again plus 1 = 3 win drop 1 unit = 2 and keep betting 2 till you loose again then plus 1 etc etc Till you are back to evens or a profit Then start again with 1

Hope you understood  :thumbsup:

I have been using foolproof variation prgression for 2 dozens bets
for a long time; and it has never let me let me down.
For EC it is same thing. Give it a try, u may be surprised.

I couldn't agree more Chris  :thumbsup:

Just played Smartlive with real dealer  after a loss wait for virtual win with foolproof progression  up 20 units in one hour  :D

2-2-2
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-2 W W W
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-3 W W L     11 wins in a row!
1-1-1 VW W W
1-2-2 LV W  W
1-3-3 L VW W
3-3-3 W L VL
3-2-1 VL VW W
2-2-1 W L VL
1-1-3 VW W W
1-2-1 L VW W
2-1-2 W W W
1-1-3 W L VW
3-1-2 W L VW
1-2-   W W         PLUS 20 UNITS   in 1 hour

It was toooo easy!!!!    I suppose the big bang will come!!!!  But "make hay while the sun shines" as they say, who ever they are :twisted:

Hi Sturrock,

Great result there!  :smile:

OK. Thanks for explanation of "foolproof". I like it. Very similar to how I was betting - except you drop back 1 after a win...

I think I used it before but anyhow I will try it with this system now and see.

Thanks,
A.

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 10, 03:38 PM 2014
Just played Smartlive with real dealer  after a loss wait for virtual win with foolproof progression  up 20 units in one hour  :D

2-2-2
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-2 W W W
3-1-3 W W W
2-3-3 W W L     11 wins in a row!
1-1-1 VW W W
1-2-2 LV W  W
1-3-3 L VW W
3-3-3 W L VL
3-2-1 VL VW W
2-2-1 W L VL
1-1-3 VW W W
1-2-1 L VW W
2-1-2 W W W
1-1-3 W L VW
3-1-2 W L VW
1-2-   W W         PLUS 20 UNITS   in 1 hour

It was toooo easy!!!!    I suppose the big bang will come!!!!  But "make hay while the sun shines" as they say, who ever they are :twisted:

I can't really understand why you are giving REAL wins away!

SEVEN in the sequence above!

Crazy!


SAS

Hi SAS,

I have more bad luck than anybody out there. I am just playing safe.   :-\

Great post. Will study the progression,  try the system and report with my results. I like the idea of the virtual win but it's the progression I'm the most curious about as I recently realized - or accepted-, that it's what it all comes down to.  The rest doesn't really matter. Thanks the law!

Cheers

Quote from: sturrock on Jul 10, 04:49 PM 2014
Hi SAS,

I have more bad luck than anybody out there. I am just playing safe.   :-\

Tried this today for real money (low value chips) and won a session of 3 games (+9profit) - playing with "foolproof" progression.

A.

Good for you Atlantis  ;D  Ive played 3 sessions today up 9 the first 27 the second and 10 just now Foolproof and waiting for a V win after a loss  ;)   

Good. I played same way.
A.

Perfect  ;)

Guys there's is no difference between waiting for a virtual win or playing SAS way. In the end,  what you don't want to happen will happen. What we need is an invincible money management plan. I tried the foolproof progression at first and It worked well but it busted on the third day of my trial during the first 20 spins of the day and that was using the SAS bet selection. It could have happened with any other bet selection as long as random wanted to take me down. There are exactly as many chances to see one of two sanple sequence LLLLLLLLLLLL or this sequence LWLWLWLWLWLW SO STOP LYING TO YOURSELVES!
Bet selection is good im not saying the opposite. But it will always have its limits. What matters is the money management and foolproof is not the one in my opinion since it busted way too quickly for me.

Sorry to poop your party but when you will understand this we will be making a great step forward. I really don't mean to sound arrogant but trust me....  It's all in the money management. The one who finds a money management system that will survive a million spin when betting on the two same dozens consecutively will be the winer. Don't think that changing dozens according to previous spins and patterns will save you. You all know that every spin is independent from each other. So since the wheel has no memory it can reproduce any pattern that you guys are trying to hide behind. On the very long term betting all the time on dozen 1 and 2 is exactly the same than your elaborate schemes to evade from random. Random is blind and doesn't care where your hide so you'd be a fool to think you can hide behind patterns.

Cheers,  and again sorry. I don't want to upset anyone.

I am sure Steven is right and it IS the progression here that really counts. So the fail WILL come at some time. Let's not delude ourselves about it. "thelaw" seems to have tested most of the progs already and discovered this truth also - he's come up with the "labby breaker" as the one he deems best and yet to be broken.
A.

Steven,  Thanks for the insight.  You're right, we all know that waiting for a trigger just spreads the bets out so the losses come further apart and we think we're on to something.  It's true,  for every WLL that's followed by a W, there are an equal number that are followed by another L.  And then there's that Zero. 

Unfortunately, I've looked at a jillion progressions and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.  The labby that Mr. Law presented above can be tweaked to make it as safe or aggressive as you like.

I'm starting to think that the most important skills are self-control and personal money management. 

I have an acquaintance who has a bankroll of $5,000 and he's broken it into fifty $100 mini-banks.  He got ahead by 5 mini-banks before a really bad streak and for the last 3 months he's been trying to dig his way out.  He was down 9 mini-banks the last time I talked to him.  He's considering doubling his unit size and halving the number of mini-banks.  His thinking is that he's had so much bad luck, he's due for a stretch of good luck.  I told him he's never "due" anything when it comes to gambling.  Just have fun, don't play with money you can't afford to lose.  And in his case, I don't want my name mentioned to his wife if he loses his shirt.

GLC

P.S.  I just noticed big A's post.  Sorry if I duplicated your comments my friend.

Agree with steven there. It's good that some people begin to realise this. That's my purpose of posting the excel spreadsheet data from live b&m casino of multiple tables all at the same time. If your lucky to chose the correct tables you win if not you lose for some tables.

When I test any bet selection thats how I do it. Collect data on my sony xperia on preformatted spreadsheet which makes translation on the spot. If I need further work/research I download data onto my laptop.

I am working on improved bet selection taking all your suggestions into consideration. I do that by changing the formula on the spreadsheet, helps me review ideas a lot faster.

However, Im rather caught up with many projects at the moment. I allot my time on the basis of best profitable possibility. For the moment both this n SAS supa dupa thread r interesting initiatives. Keep posting your ideas n I will test them. If it looks good I will share the spreadsheet results with you guys.

I particularly like SAS latest suggestion much like klw idea on supa dupa thread. Will do some test n post results later if they be any good.

Since there's quite a bit of buzz about applying virtual loss, here is the test results from b&m casino using SAS supa dupa bet selection.

PS. 1st bet 1 unit, if win start the next cycle
      if loss 2nd bet 3 units, if win start the next cycle
      if loss 3rd bet skip, if win start the next cycle
      if loss 4th bet 9 units, win or loss start the next cycle
      (money management suggestion of 1, 3, 9 progression with bankroll of 52units for 2 cycles per session)