In previous matrix systems we bet against EC's, doz and cols. This one uses "quad" (3 street) notation.
Four quads:
1-9 = quad1
10-18 = quad2
19-27 = quad3
28-36 = quad4
If we arrange the "quads" results and record into MATRIX 4 fashion and then bet ONCE only AGAINST the quads forming a vertical FOUR-TIMER appearing:
(results from random.org)
4243
4443
1124
4043
4224
4414
3342 w @ col1
2213
3341
1212
2144
2414
4124
2441 w @ col4
1221
2212
4432
2214
4121
1442
2242
2243
3312 w @ col3
1422
3111
4413
3422
0444
1122 w @ col2
1214
1442
2124 w @ col1
4424
3141
4341
4242
211x w @ col3
But what would be the best way of staking?
If you're betting AGAINST quad 1 or 2 then you can bet HIGH + 3 streets (27 numbers)
If you're betting AGAINST quad 3 or 4 then you can bet LOW + 3 streets (27 numbers)
So if betting against 4 consecutive VERTICAL formations of the same quad (as shown in my matrix example) you could maybe engineer a "fairly safe" 4-step progression; each step producing a profit on a winning bet... This would be the default amount of a "bank" required to operate the system. In the event of a losing run of 4 LLLL's IN A ROW the default bank would be lost...
A.
A..
we discussed all angles in my " Quad cycle" post over in bet selection over 12 months ago...believe it or not (feels like yesterday)
No sign of a matrix idea though...so its a nice fresh idea.
Never more was progression discussed...with great contributions from GG.....but I was never comfortable with any of them....to be honest
Quote from: Turner on Aug 05, 12:00 PM 2014
A..
we discussed all angles in my " Quad cycle" post over in bet selection over 12 months ago...believe it or not (feels like yesterday)
No sign of a matrix idea though...so its a nice fresh idea.
Never more was progression discussed...with great contributions from GG.....but I was never comfortable with any of them....to be honest
Hi Turner,
Yes I remember... :)
Difficult with a progression for this. I'm with you about using a progression, I think. Probably better flatbetting until in profit by +3 or +6. Then again could be a real grinder to get there. :)
Maybe someone has similar or better idea for quads?
A.
Big A,
Let's say we create a chart with all the possible combinations of 3 streets that make a quad. There would be a lot, I don't know how many. Maybe 36 or 72. It would start with street 1 with 2 & 3, Street 1 with 2 & 4, street 1 with 2 & 5, etc... So now every time we get 3 different streets, it will represent one of our quads and we bet on the other 9 streets to block 4 in a row. It will be mathematically the same odds as only having 4 unique quads and it will give us a lot more betting opportunities.
As far as a progression goes, any of your slow as you go progressions should work. Even the GLAT method would work just fine. +2,-2 modified D'Alembert would work. Or even the standard D'Alembert. A slowed down Oscar's grind is another thought. Heck, I think a bread winner type progression would be the cat's meow, so to speak.
(BTW, has anyone heard from Two Cat lately?)
The above is a simplified explanation and can be expanded quite a bit. It's just to get the juices flowing.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Aug 05, 02:05 PM 2014
Big A,
Let's say we create a chart with all the possible combinations of 3 streets that make a quad. There would be a lot, I don't know how many. Maybe 36 or 72. It would start with street 1 with 2 & 3, Street 1 with 2 & 4, street 1 with 2 & 5, etc... So now every time we get 3 different streets, it will represent one of our quads and we bet on the other 9 streets to block 4 in a row. It will be mathematically the same odds as only having 4 unique quads and it will give us a lot more betting opportunities.
As far as a progression goes, any of your slow as you go progressions should work. Even the GLAT method would work just fine. +2,-2 modified D'Alembert would work. Or even the standard D'Alembert. A slowed down Oscar's grind is another thought. Heck, I think a bread winner type progression would be the cat's meow, so to speak.
(BTW, has anyone heard from Two Cat lately?)
The above is a simplified explanation and can be expanded quite a bit. It's just to get the juices flowing.
GLC
George...its 220 actually (12!/3!/9!)
Excellent suggestion!!
This is what I am doing at the moment. Working for the premise "random produces extremes all the time"
the last 3 streets are a quad which has hit 3 times
the last 4 streets are a dozen which has hit 4 times.
12,1,27,18,11,3 is a dozen which has hit 6 times. The wheel continuously produces extremes.
look for an extreme in the table Dozen and you will wait. But its just one of many combinations.
Dozens In numbers, its 1.8 billion different 12's in 37
in streets, its 495
in lines (2 lines) its 15
Quads in numbers, its 124 million 9's in 37
in streets 220
You can see the hottest Quad instantly here
14 (last)
22
11
14
36
27
its streets 5,4,12 and its hit 5 times
Im quite excited some one else has mentioned it. I thought I was weird (well I am)
Quote from: Turner on Aug 05, 03:02 PM 2014
George...its 220 actually (12!/3!/9!)
Excellent suggestion!!
This is what I am doing at the moment. Working for the premise "random produces extremes all the time"
the last 3 streets are a quad which has hit 3 times
the last 4 streets are a dozen which has hit 4 times.
12,1,27,18,11,3 is a dozen which has hit 6 times. The wheel continuously produces extremes.
look for an extreme in your set table 12 Dozen and you will wait. But its just one of many combinations.
Dozens In numbers, its 1.8 billion different 12's in 37
in streets, its 495
in lines (2 lines) its 15
Quads in numbers, its 124 million 9's in 37
in streets 220
Thanks Turner. That's what I call getting the juices flowing. :thumbsup:
Sorry Atlantis....me and George are just having mutual excessive neuronal modulation activity.
Another way is to bet against two same 'vertical quad' results forming into a treble in that matrix column.
4243
4443
1124 w@col1; w@col3; w@col4
4043
4224
4414 L@col1
3342 w@col1; w@col4
2213
3341
1212
2144
2414
4124 w@col1; L@col4
2441 w@col4
1221
2212 w@col4
4432 w@col2
2214 w@col4
4121
1442
2242
2243 L@col3 ; w@col4
3312 w@col1; w@col2; w@col3
1422
3111 w@col4
4413
3422
0444 L@col2
1122 w@col2
1214
1442 L@col1
2124 w@col1
4424
3141 w@col3; w@col4
4341
4242 L@col3; w@col4
211x w@col1; w@col3
x=stopped here.
A.
PS. Maybe Priyanka can show some hints on how to play the "quads" using her methods? :)
I play quads daily. Interesting approach, Atlantis.
atlantis, 3 nine
here is a grid i made from american wheel
ignore the green that was a strategy i was testing
96 spins
the bet selection was Atlantis' quads selection
Atlantis, always found your systems interesting.
I just thought of a tweak that combines your method and couple of ideas from grassroots thread.
Whenever we see 3 unique quads like 3,1,4 we bet that the fourth one won't be unique. In this case we bet on 3,1,4 hoping that 2 won't come.
Applied this version of mine on the quad spins you posted.
Guess what, 24 wins 1 loss
Flat betting +24 -3
Still gives you 21 units
No sweat!
Quote from: Willie on May 12, 09:24 AM 2016
Atlantis, always found your systems interesting.
I just thought of a tweak that combines your method and couple of ideas from grassroots thread.
Whenever we see 3 unique quads like 3,1,4 we bet that the fourth one won't be unique. In this case we bet on 3,1,4 hoping that 2 won't come.
Applied this version of mine on the quad spins you posted.
Guess what, 24 wins 1 loss
Flat betting +24 -3
Still gives you 21 units
No sweat!
Thanks Willie,
That's very similar to what I posted here yesterday:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.720
(top of page 49)
But maybe just playing the lines of 3 different for one to repeat on the 4th like you said works better?
In any case it seems like those are the ones to target...
That's a good result flatbetting - what more do we want? :)
Thanks,
A.
Thanks willie
Can u test againt my chart above. I cant im at work now
Hi RG,
Willie way: L L W W W W W W
(2L; 6W)
(only lines of 3 different quads)
Atlantis way: L nb nb nb nb vwin nb L nb nb vwin W L vwin W nb W W W nb W W W W
(3L; 9 L's)
(betting for only ONE repeat to occur on a line)
A.
Awesome
Atlantis way: L nb nb nb nb vwin nb L nb nb vwin W L vwin W nb W W W nb W W W W
(3L; 9W's)
(betting for only ONE repeat to occur on a line)
Damn! You don't get much time for editing do you!? :-\ :-\
@RG: Best try on a larger sample...
A.
Finding a pattern and exploiting it
Taking some losses
Flat betting
Positive in the end
Need that
Playing Willie's way - only on a line of 3 different quads. Betting for a repeat.
Using H/L and Q1,2,3 or 4...
3 1 2 2 bet L+Q3 = w
3 4 1 1 bet H+Q1 = w
3 2 4 3 bet H+Q2 = w
3 1 4 3 bet H+Q1 = w
1 4 3 2 bet H+Q1 = L
1 3 4 2 bet H+Q1 = L
4 4 1 3
1 2 1 3
1 1 1 2
1 2 3 1 bet L+Q3 = w
3 1 1 3
2 1 4 1 bet L+Q4 = w
4 3 4 4
1 1 1 2
4 2 1 3 bet L+Q4 = L
3 3 4 3
1 1 2 3
1 1 4 3
2 1 3 1 bet L+Q3 = w
1 3 4 1 bet H+Q1 = w
1 4 3 4 bet H+Q1 = w
4 2 2 2
4 4 2 3
1 1 3 4
2 3 3 2
2 1 4 2 bet L+Q4 = w
1 2 2 3
1 3 2 4 bet L+Q3 = L
2 3 4 2 bet H+Q2 = w
2 1 4 1 bet L+Q4 = w
2 3 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
3 3 1 1
3 4 3 2
3 2 4 2 bet H+Q2 = w
2 3 4 2 bet H+Q2 = w
3 4 1 2 bet H+Q1 = L
2 2 1 2
3 4 4 4
2 3 2 1
3 3 3 4
1 2 3 2 bet L+Q4 = w
4 2 4 2
4 2 3 4 bet H+Q2 = w
4 1 3 4 bet H+Q1 = w
1 3 2 4 bet L+Q3 = L
1 2 2 3
1 1 2 1
4 1 1 1
3 1 1 3
3 3 4 3
4 1 4 2
3 1 1 1
4 4 1 4
3 3 4 4
2 2 1 2
3 2 4 4 bet H+Q2 = w
2 1 1 1
3 3 4 4
3 3 2 3
4 2 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
3 1 3 4
4 2 1 2 bet L+Q4 = w
4 4 1 1
3 4 4 2
2 4 1 2 bet L+Q4 = w
1 1 2 3
2 2 2 2
4 1 2 3 bet L+Q4 = L
4 4 1 4
1 3 3 3
3 2 4 3 bet H+Q2 = w
4 3 3 1
4 3 1 3 bet H+Q1 = w
1 3 4 2 bet H+Q1 = L
2 3 1 4 bet L+Q3 = L
1 1 4 1
4 4 1 2
4 3 1 2 bet H+Q1 = L
3 1 1 2
3 3 1 4
1 4 1 4
2 3 2 3
2 3 1 2 bet L+Q3 = w
2 4 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
1 3 1 2
2 3 1 4 bet L+Q3 = L
3 1 2 2 bet L+Q3 = w
3 4 3 4
2 2 1 2
3 3 4 1
1 2 3 1 bet L+Q3 = w
1 3 2 2 bet L+Q3 = w
2 3 3 4
2 2 1 1
2 1 2 1
1 3 1 4
3 3 1 4
1 4 1 4
3 4 1 4 bet H+Q1 = w
2 3 4 1 bet H+Q2 = L
1 2 3 1 bet L+Q3 = w
2 3 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
4 4 3 3
2 3 3 1
2 4 1 2 bet L+Q4 = w
3 1 3 1
2 4 3 3 bet H+Q2 = w
1 2 4 1 bet L+Q4 = w
1 4 3 1 bet H+Q1 = w
4 2 3 3 bet H+Q2 = w
2 4 4 4
2 3 1 1 bet L+Q3 = w
2 2 4 3
2 4 2 4
3 3 4 4
3 3 4 2
3 1 1 1
1 2 4 2 bet L+Q4 = w
1 3 4 2 bet H+Q1 = L
1 1 4 3
4 3 2 1 bet H+Q2 = L
2 3 2 3
2 4 2 2
1 3 2 1 bet L+Q3 = w
3 1 2 1 bet L+Q3 = w
2 4 2 4
4 4 4 3
3 2 2 3
1 3 2 3 bet H+Q1 = w
2 1 2 3
1 1 4 1
3 4 2 4
1 1 4 4
3 2 1 4 bet H+Q1 = w
1 3 1 1
3 1 2 3 bet L+Q3 = w
4 1 1 3
4 2 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
4 3 2 4 bet H+Q2 = w
4 4 2 4
1 2 2 4
2 4 4 4
3 2 4 4 bet H+Q2 = w
3 3 3 1
2 3 4 2 bet H+Q2 = w
1 1 1 3
1 4 1 2
2 4 4 4
2 1 2 1
4 2 2 3
1 2 4 3 bet L+Q4 = L
4 3 1 4 bet H+Q1 =w
3 4 1 1 bet H+Q1 = w
2 3 4 4 bet H+Q2 = w
3 2 1 2 bet L+Q3 = w
3 2 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
3 3 3 3
3 3 2 1
3 3 3 1
1 2 1 1
1 1 4 3
4 3 1 3 bet H+Q1 = w
2 2 1 2
2 2 1 1
1 4 3 4 bet H+Q1 = w
3 2 3 3
4 3 1 2 bet H+Q1 = L
4 4 2 1
1 1 1 2
3 3 3 2
3 2 2 3
1 3 4 2 bet H+Q1 = L
3 4 4 3
4 2 2 3
2 2 2 2
1 2 4 3 bet L+Q4 = L
4 3 4 1
1 1 2 4
1 1 1 2
3 2 2 4
4 4 3 4
4 2 3 2 bet H+Q2 = w
2 4 4 3
3 2 1 1 bet L+Q3 = w
1 3 4 2 bet H+Q1 = L
1 2 2 2
3 1 4 4 bet H+Q1 = w
1 4 4 4
2 3 1 4 bet L+Q3 = L
2 1 4 2 bet L+Q4 = w
1 2 1 4
1 4 4 1
3 4 1 1 bet H+Q1 = w
1 3 3 4
2 1 1 1
1 3 4 3 bet H+Q1 = w
3 2 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
2 2 1 1
4 3 3 3
2 4 3 3 bet H+Q2 = w
3 3 4 2
2 2 3 4
2 4 2 2
2 2 4 1
4 2 1 3 bet L+Q4 = L
4 4 1 2
2 4 1 3 bet L+Q4 = L
1 2 2 2
1 2 1 4
4 2 1 1 bet H+Q1 = w
2 4 2 3
1 1 1 4
3 1 3 4
3 1 2 3 bet L+Q3 = w
1 3 1 1
2 1 2 1
2 3 4 3 bet H+Q2 = w
1 4 2 4 bet L+Q4 = w
1 3 3 2
2 3 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
1 1 1 2
4 1 2 1 bet L+Q4 = w
2 2 1 4
3 1 1 2
1 2 2 1
4 3 4 1
1 1 1 2
3 1 4 3 bet H+Q1 = w
4 4 2 3
2 1 1 4
3 1 4 4 bet H+Q1 = w
2 4 2 2
1 2 3 3 bet L+Q3 = w
2 2 4 1
3 3 4 3
1 2 2 1
3 3 4 1
1 4 2 2 bet L+Q4 = w
1 4 1 1
4 2 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
2 4 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
4 3 2 2 bet H+Q2 = w
1 4 4 1
4 1 4 4
1 3 1 4
1 2 1 1
3 3 2 4
3 1 3 1
1 2 4 3 bet L+Q4 = L
4 2 1 2 bet L+Q4 = w
3 2 3 4
2 3 4 2 bet H+Q2 = w
3 1 2 4 bet L+Q3 = L
1 2 4 3 bet L+Q4 = L
3 1 4 1 bet H+Q1 = w
4 1 2 1 bet L+Q4 = w
3 2 1 3 bet L+Q3 = w
4 4 4 2
2 2 3 2
3 4 3 1
2 2 4 2
1 2 2 1
3 3 3 4
3 2 1 1 bet L+Q3 = w
2 4 2 2
2 2 3 3
2 1 2 1
4 2 4 3
4 1 1 3
1 3 3 2
1 2 3 2 bet L+Q3 = w
3 2 3 4
1 3 1 1
4 2 2 2
2 4 4 4
1 4 1 4
3 3 2 2
3 4 2 3 bet H+Q2 = w
4 2 3 2 bet H+Q2 = w
2 2 3 3
1 3 2 4 bet L+Q3 = L
2 4 4 4
2 2 1 1
1 3 3 1
2 1 2 2
3 4 1 2 bet H+Q1 = L
4 2 4 4
4 2 1 3 bet L+Q4 = L
1 1 3 2
3 4 4 3
1 4 4 2
4 1 2 4 bet L+Q4 = w
4 4 4 1
3 1 4 3 bet H+Q1 = w
1 2 2 2
1 1 4 4
4 4 1 3
2 3 2 3
4 2 2 2
1 3 4 4 bet L+Q4 = w
4 3 3 3
1 2 4 2 bet L+Q4 = w
3 3 1 1
4 1 1 3
2 4 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
3 3 4 2
2 4 2 2
3 4 3 4
2 1 4 1 bet L+Q4 = w
4 3 3 1
3 4 2 2 bet H+Q2 = w
2 3 4 4 bet H+Q2 = w
3 3 2 2
4 2 1 1 bet L+Q4 = w
3 2 4 4 bet H+Q2 = w
1 2 1 2
1 4 4 4
3 4 1 3 bet H+Q1 =w
2 2 2 1
2 2 1 3
4 2 3 1 bet H+Q2 = L
2 4 2 3
1 2 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 2 3
3 3 2 2
3 3 1 1
3 2 3 3
4 1 2 2 bet L+Q4 = w
A.
Another sample:
1 3 1 1
4 2 1 3 L
2 4 4 3
2 4 2 2
4 1 2 4 w
4 1 3 3 w
3 3 1 3
3 3 4 2
4 1 3 3 w
1 4 2 1 w
2 1 1 3
4 2 1 3 L
4 3 4 3
3 1 4 4 w
4 4 3 1
3 4 1 3 w
4 1 3 3 w
4 2 3 2 w
4 4 4 2
1 1 3 3
4 1 2 3 L
3 3 3 1
3 3 1 2
3 1 1 4
1 2 1 1
2 4 1 1 w
3 3 3 4
1 2 2 2
4 1 1 2
1 1 3 2
2 3 4 3 w
4 4 3 3
4 3 4 3
1 4 2 4 w
4 1 3 3 w
1 1 4 2
1 2 3 2 w
4 3 3 3
2 1 2 3
1 4 2 1 w
2 3 1 2 w
2 2 3 1
4 3 4 3
2 1 3 2 w
2 1 2 4
4 1 4 4
4 2 1 3 L
1 3 3 4
2 3 4 4 w
1 4 3 2 L
3 1 2 1 w
4 3 3 3
1 2 4 1 w
2 1 3 3 w
2 4 1 4 w
4 2 4 4
1 3 3 3
1 2 3 3 w
1 2 3 2 w
1 3 2 3 w
4 1 1 4
4 1 2 2
3 4 4 2
1 4 3 4 w
1 3 3 4
4 2 1 1 w
1 4 1 4
3 2 1 3 w
4 2 1 4 w
3 3 2 3
4 3 1 3 w
2 2 1 3
2 4 1 2 w
4 1 3 4 w
2 4 4 4
1 1 3 3
4 4 2 3
3 2 4 3 w
1 3 4 3 w
3 3 4 2
4 4 2 1
4 3 2 4 w
1 1 3 4
2 1 2 3
4 3 1 4 w
4 4 2 3
1 3 2 4 L
1 3 2 3 w
2 3 1 1 w
1 1 4 2
3 2 4 4 w
2 1 1 1
4 1 1 1
4 2 1 4 w
2 1 1 4
1 3 3 3
2 1 2 1
3 3 2 2
1 1 2 2
4 1 3 4 w
1 3 1 3
2 1 1 3
2 3 2 2
2 4 3 2 w
4 4 4 2
4 3 4 4
3 4 1 4 w
4 3 3 1
1 4 3 1 w
2 4 2 1
1 4 4 4
3 1 1 1
1 2 1 3
1 2 4 3 L
2 1 1 1
1 4 2 2 w
4 3 4 1
1 1 1 4
4 1 1 1
3 1 4 4 w
2 4 3 3
4 2 4 4
1 4 1 4
2 4 3 1 L
4 2 3 1 L
3 4 4 4
2 2 3 3
1 4 3 4 w
2 1 4 2 w
2 3 4 2 w
Maybe close out a session when you are ahead of the game by 3 wins?
A.
Sounds, and looks good Atlantis. By 4 quads, do you mean dividing carpet up into 4 lots of 9 streets?
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 12, 11:51 AM 2016
Sounds, and looks good Atlantis. By 4 quads, do you mean dividing carpet up into 4 lots of 9 streets?
Yes, BW - you got it right.
This one uses "quad" (3 street) notation.
Four quads:
1-9 = quad1
10-18 = quad2
19-27 = quad3
28-36 = quad4
A.
Loss is -27
Win is +9
Correct?
So to profit flat is a nice little feature
Bit confused on the bet selection/placement and unit size.Understand the matrix basics but need a little filling in on the rest...on about 2 hrs sleep.brainfog has settled in. ???
Quote from: onetaste on May 12, 03:45 PM 2016
Bit confused on the bet selection/placement and unit size.Understand the matrix basics but need a little filling in on the rest...on about 2 hrs sleep.brainfog has settled in. ???
Hey onetatse
Quad 1 is streets 1 thru 9
Quad 2 is streets 10 thru 18
Quad 3 is streets 19 thru 27
Quad 4 is streats 28 thru 36
So we're betting on H/L, one DS and one Street (9 numbers covered) each time?
A test: I think a progression is required, but didn't even get a 3 loss in a row here in 1000 spins
60 WINS
26 LOSSES
4 1 1 4
2 4 2 1
3 2 3 1
1 4 2 4 W
2 2 1 1
1 1 1 2
1 3 1 3
1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 W
1 4 1 1
3 1 3 4
3 4 1 2 L
3 3 1 4
1 4 4 1
3 1 3 1
2 4 2 3
3 3 2 1
4 2 3 4 W
1 2 2 1
1 4 3 4 W
1 3 1 1
2 2 2 1
3 3 1 4
2 2 3 3
2 4 3 3 W
2 4 1 2 W
1 3 2 4 L
3 2 4 3 W
3 2 4 2 W
2 3 1 1 W
4 2 3 1 L
2 4 3 2 W
2 2 1 1
3 4 2 2 W
3 4 1 1 W
4 4 4 4
3 4 2 1 L
4 1 4 4
2 4 4 1
3 3 3 2
4 4 1 2
3 3 4 4
4 1 2 3 L
2 2 3 1
3 2 3 3
2 4 1 1 W
3 4 4 4
1 2 1 4
3 3 4 1
3 2 2 3
3 3 1 4
2 1 2 2
1 1 4 3
4 3 1 1 W
1 1 4 4
4 3 2 4 W
4 3 2 3 W
1 4 2 1 W
4 1 4 2
4 4 4 1
2 2 3 3
3 3 2 1
4 1 2 3 L
1 4 2 2 W
1 2 2 3
2 2 3 3
3 2 4 1 L
2 4 3 1 W
3 2 3 4
2 3 4 1 L
2 4 2 4
1 2 2 3
2 2 2 1
4 4 3 2
4 3 4 4
2 3 1 3 W
2 3 1 4 L
1 3 2 3 W
4 1 1 4
3 3 4 1
1 1 2 2
3 2 3 3
2 4 3 3 W
3 3 4 4
4 4 2 2
4 2 2 3
2 3 3 3
2 2 4 4
3 1 3 3
3 2 4 1 L
2 2 2 4
1 3 3 4
4 1 1 3
4 4 1 4
3 2 4 2 W
1 3 3 3
3 2 1 2 W
4 4 2 3
2 3 3 1
4 1 4 3
1 1 3 3
3 2 4 4 W
1 4 1 1
3 3 3 4
2 3 2 1
3 3 1 2
2 4 2 2
1 2 1 3
4 2 2 3
3 1 3 2
2 2 1 2
4 4 2 2
4 3 4 4
3 3 2 3
4 1 2 3 L
2 2 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 3 1 2
1 3 2 1 W
4 2 1 2 W
1 3 2 4 L
1 1 1 4
4 3 1 2 L
2 4 4 3
1 3 2 2 W
1 2 4 2 W
3 1 3 1
1 1 4 3
3 4 4 1
3 3 2 3
4 4 1 2
1 4 2 2 W
2 2 4 2
4 2 1 4 W
4 3 4 4
3 2 4 1 L
4 4 1 3
4 1 2 3 L
2 3 3 2
1 2 2 4
1 2 3 1 W
2 3 1 4 L
4 2 1 2 W
3 3 1 1
1 3 3 4
2 3 1 1 W
2 3 4 1 L
4 1 3 4 W
4 1 4 2
3 1 1 3
4 2 4 2
4 3 1 1 W
4 3 2 4 W
4 3 3 4
2 3 2 1
2 2 3 1
2 2 1 1
4 1 1 1
4 4 1 3
3 3 1 3
2 2 3 1
1 3 2 2 W
2 4 2 4
3 1 1 2
1 2 2 4
4 4 2 1
1 2 1 1
4 4 2 2
4 3 3 3
2 4 4 4
1 2 1 4
4 3 4 4
4 4 2 1
2 4 2 3
2 2 4 2
4 2 4 1
4 4 1 2
4 2 3 1 L
3 2 3 4
4 1 3 3 W
2 1 4 3 W
1 3 2 1 W
3 2 1 4 L
1 3 3 4
3 3 2 2
2 2 1 2
3 2 3 3
2 1 2 4
4 1 3 2 L
1 3 1 3
4 4 1 2
1 2 1 2
2 2 3 4
1 3 4 4 W
3 1 1 3
4 2 3 2 W
1 2 1 1
4 2 1 1 W
1 1 2 2
4 4 2 1
3 2 4 2 W
4 1 2 3 L
3 3 3 1
1 2 4 3 L
3 1 1 3
4 3 2 2 W
1 2 1 4
2 3 2 4
4 1 4 2
4 2 3 2 W
4 3 1 4 W
3 3 3 4
2 4 3 4 W
2 3 4 2 W
2 3 2 1
2 4 4 3
4 4 1 3
1 1 2 1
4 3 4 1
4 2 4 1
3 1 1 4
3 2 1 1 W
1 3 3 3
2 3 1 3 W
2 2 4 4
3 3 1 4
4 4 2 2
2 3 4 1 L
4 4 2 3
2 4 2 3
2 2 2 3
2 3 3 4
1 1 2 4
2 4 1 4 W
4 3 2 2 W
1 4 3 1 W
4 2 4 2
4 1 3 2 L
2 1 3 3 W
1 1 4 3
2 1 4 2 W
4 2 2 1
1 4 3 2 L
3 2 1 3 W
4 3 2 3 W
3 2 2 3
3 3 1 1
4 1 2 3 L
4 1 3 4 W
1 1 4 3
The rate of uniques is going to be much less then the non uniqies
So of one were to play this a progression might bery well be needed
We could, dare i say it, bet against 1 2 3 4 :twisted:
If doing the ol' 1234, that would of been 250 wins, O losses... O0
Could get even more creative
Example
Quad 1- 1-3, 13-15, 25-27
Quad 2- 4-6, 16-18, 28-30
Quad 3- 7-9, 19-21, 31-33
Quad 4-, 10-12, 22-24, 34-36
Hmmmmmm
Quote from: onetaste on May 12, 05:19 PM 2016
If doing the ol' 1234, that would of been 250 wins, O losses... O0
Haha. Yup
With a little steep progression
Whose got a 27 num prog?
still bit confused on how the 9 number quads are bet...betting 3 streets?
Hi BW,
Obviously you need to stop when ahead in your example...
I am suggesting after 3 wins eg:
4 1 1 4
2 4 2 1
3 2 3 1
1 4 2 4 W +3
2 2 1 1
1 1 1 2
1 3 1 3
1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 W +6
1 4 1 1
3 1 3 4
3 4 1 2 L -3
3 3 1 4
1 4 4 1
3 1 3 1
2 4 2 3
3 3 2 1
4 2 3 4 W +0
1 2 2 1
1 4 3 4 W +3
1 3 1 1
2 2 2 1
3 3 1 4
2 2 3 3
2 4 3 3 W +6
2 4 1 2 W +9========STOP HERE?
1 3 2 4 L
But that is flatbetting...
I prefer to bet an EC+3 streets.
Especially if you can play on a la partage wheel. (half stake returns)
Or maybe you can play on NOZERO??
So if betting FLAT you can do eg:
6u on LOW/HIGH + 3u on STREETS (1u per STREET)
This returns +3u
I tried it so far on one of those low limit live dealer or live autowheels where you can bet in 0.1u. At those levels you don't worry so much if doubling or tripling your bet because the hit rate seems pretty good...
(These tables usually have a handy save/preset for your favorite bets too for easier placement when required)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 12, 05:30 PM 2016
Hi BW,
Obviously you need to stop when ahead in your example...
I am suggesting after 3 wins eg:
4 1 1 4
2 4 2 1
3 2 3 1
1 4 2 4 W +3
2 2 1 1
1 1 1 2
1 3 1 3
1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 W +6
1 4 1 1
3 1 3 4
3 4 1 2 L -3
3 3 1 4
1 4 4 1
3 1 3 1
2 4 2 3
3 3 2 1
4 2 3 4 W +0
1 2 2 1
1 4 3 4 W +3
1 3 1 1
2 2 2 1
3 3 1 4
2 2 3 3
2 4 3 3 W +6
2 4 1 2 W +9========STOP HERE?
1 3 2 4 L
But that is flatbetting...
I prefer to bet an EC+3 streets.
Especially if you can play on a la partage wheel. (half stake returns)
Or maybe you can play on NOZERO??
So if betting FLAT you can do eg:
6u on LOW/HIGH + 3u on STREETS (1u per STREET)
This returns +3u
I tried it so far on one of those low limit live dealer or live autowheels where you can bet in 0.1u. At those levels you don't worry so much if doubling or tripling your bet because the hit rate seems pretty good...
(These tables usually have a handy save/preset for your favorite bets too for easier placement when required)
A.
you guys are spoiled
in the US we have 5 dimes, betonline, and they have not the best reviews and $5 minimums
give me a 10 cent table
Quote from: onetaste on May 12, 05:19 PM 2016
If doing the ol' 1234, that would of been 250 wins, O losses... O0
Hi onetaste,
:)
Are you joking or - if not - how long that take????
A.
Thanks for the EC plus 3 street placement explanation Atlantis along with the unit size.have been scratching my head a bit throughout this thread. Flatbet for 3 wins then take a breather sounds legit to me.
Quote from: onetaste on May 12, 05:19 PM 2016
If doing the ol' 1234, that would of been 250 wins, O losses... O0
Hi onetaste,
I understand what you meant now.
However, can you show your idea of how to handle a staking pattern for that, thx.
Regards,
A.
Session using onetaste's idea of betting the quads against the exact formation of 1-2-3-4.
This makes for more bets and faster progress to a target goal.
Session can end though if 1-2-3-4 occurs. (didn't happen here)
3w 1 2 2
3w 4 1 1
3w 2 4 3
3w 1 4 3
1L 4w 3 2
1L 3w 4 2
4w 4 1 3
1L 2L 1w 3
1L 1w 1 2
1L 2w 3 1
3w 1 1 3
2w 1 4 1
4w 3 4 4
1L 1w 1 2
4w 2 1 3
3w 3 4 3
1L 1w 2 3
1L 1w 4 3
2w 1 3 1
1L 3w 4 1
1L 4w 3 4
4w 2 2 2
4w 4 2 3
1L 1w 3 4
2w 3 3 2
2w 1 4 2
1L 2L 2w 3
1L 3w 2 4
2w 3 4 2
2w 1 4 1
2w 3 1 3
3w 3 1 1
3w 4 3 2
3w 2 4 2
2w 3 4 2
3w 4 1 2
2w 2 1 2
3w 4 4 4
2w 3 2 1
3w 3 3 4
1L 2L 3L 2w
4w 2 4 2
4w 2 3 4
4w 1 3 4
1L 3w 2 4
1L 2L 2w 3
1L 1w 2 1
4w 1 1 1
3w 1 1 3
3w 3 4 3
4w 1 4 2
3w 1 1 1
4w 4 1 4
3w 3 4 4
2w 2 1 2
3w 2 4 4
2w 1 1 1
3w 3 4 4
3w 3 2 3
4w 2 1 1
3w 1 3 4
4w 2 1 2
4w 4 1 1
3w 4 4 2
2w 4 1 2
1L 1w 2 3
2w 2 2 2
4w 1 2 3
4w 4 1 4
1L 3w 3 3
3w 2 4 3
4w 3 3 1
4w 3 1 3
1L 3w 4 2
2w 3 1 4
1L 1w 4 1
4w 4 1 2
4w 3 1 2
3w 1 1 2
3w 3 1 4
1L 4w 1 4
2w 3 2 3
2w 3 1 2
2w 4 1 1
1L 3w 1 2
2w 3 1 4
3w 1 2 2
3w 4 3 4
2w 2 1 2
3w 3 4 1
1L 2w 3 1
1L 3w 2 2
2w 3 3 4
2w 2 1 1
2w 1 2 1
1L 3w 1 4
3w 3 1 4
1L 4w 1 4
3w 4 1 4
2w 3 4 1
1L 2L 3L 1w
2w 3 1 3
4w 4 3 3
2w 3 3 1
2w 4 1 2
3w 1 3 1
2w 4 3 3
1L 2L 4w 1
1L 4w 3 1
4w 2 3 3
2w 4 4 4
2w 3 1 1
2w 2 4 3
2w 4 2 4
3w 3 4 4
3w 3 4 2
3w 1 1 1
1L 2L 4w 2
1L 3w 4 2
1L 1w 4 3
4w 3 2 1
2w 3 2 3
2w 4 2 2
1L 3w 2 1
3w 1 2 1
2w 4 2 4
4w 4 4 3
3w 2 2 3
1L 3w 2 3
2w 1 2 3
1L 1w 4 1
3w 4 2 4
1L 1w 4 4
3w 2 1 4
1L 3w 1 1
3w 1 2 3
4w 1 1 3
4w 2 1 1
4w 3 2 4
4w 4 2 4
1L 2w 2 4
2w 4 4 4
3w 2 4 4
3w 3 3 1
2w 3 4 2
1L 1w 1 3
1L 4w 1 2
2w 4 4 4
2w 1 2 1
4w 2 2 3
1L 2L 4w 3
4w 3 1 4
3w 4 1 1
2w 3 4 4
3w 2 1 2
3w 2 1 3
3w 3 3 3
3w 3 2 1
3w 3 3 1
1L 2L 1w 1
1L 1w 4 3
4w 3 1 3
2w 2 1 2
2w 2 1 1
1L 4w 3 4
3w 2 3 3
4w 3 1 2
4w 4 2 1
1L 1w 1 2
3w 3 3 2
3w 2 2 3
1L 3w 4 2
3w 4 4 3
4w 2 2 3
2w 2 2 2
1L 2L 4w 3
4w 3 4 1
1L 1w 2 4
1L 1w 1 2
3w 2 2 4
4w 4 3 4
4w 2 3 2
2w 4 4 3
3w 2 1 1
1L 3w 4 2
1L 2L 2w 2
3w 1 4 4
1L 4w 4 4
2w 3 1 4
2w 1 4 2
1L 2L 1w 4
1L 4w 4 1
3w 4 1 1
1L 3w 3 4
2w 1 1 1
1L 3w 4 3
3w 2 1 3
2w 2 1 1
4w 3 3 3
2w 4 3 3
3w 3 4 2
2w 2 3 4
2w 4 2 2
2w 2 4 1
4w 2 1 3
4w 4 1 2
2w 4 1 3
1L 2L 2w 2
1L 2L 1w 4
4w 2 1 1
2w 4 2 3
1L 1w 1 4
3w 1 3 4
3w 1 2 3
1L 3w 1 1
2w 1 2 1
2w 3 4 3
1L 4w 2 4
1L 3w 3 2
2w 3 1 3
1L 1w 1 2
4w 1 2 1
2w 2 1 4
3w 1 1 2
1L 2L 2w 1
4w 3 4 1
1L 1w 1 2
3w 1 4 3
4w 4 2 3
2w 1 1 4
3w 1 4 4
2w 4 2 2
1L 2L 3L 3w
2w 2 4 1
3w 3 4 3
1L 2L 2w 1
3w 3 4 1
1L 4w 2 2
1L 4w 1 1
4w 2 1 1
2w 4 1 1
4w 3 2 2
1L 4w 4 1
4w 1 4 4
1L 3w 1 4
1L 2L 1w 1
3w 3 2 4
3w 1 3 1
1L 2L 4w 3
4w 2 1 2
3w 2 3 4
2w 3 4 2
3w 1 2 4
1L 2L 4w 3
3w 1 4 1
4w 1 2 1
3w 2 1 3
4w 4 4 2
2w 2 3 2
3w 4 3 1
2w 2 4 2
1L 2L 2w 1
3w 3 3 4
3w 2 1 1
2w 4 2 2
2w 2 3 3
2w 1 2 1
4w 2 4 3
4w 1 1 3
1L 3w 3 2
1L 2L 3L 2w
3w 2 3 4
1L 3w 1 1
4w 2 2 2
2w 4 4 4
1L 4w 1 4
3w 3 2 2
3w 4 2 3
4w 2 3 2
2w 2 3 3
1L 3w 2 4
2w 4 4 4
2w 2 1 1
1L 3w 3 1
2w 1 2 2
3w 4 1 2
4w 2 4 4
4w 2 1 3
1L 1w 3 2
3w 4 4 3
1L 4w 4 2
4w 1 2 4
4w 4 4 1
3w 1 4 3
1L 2L 2w 2
1L 1w 4 4
4w 4 1 3
2w 3 2 3
4w 2 2 2
1L 3w 4 4
4w 3 3 3
1L 2L 4w 2
3w 3 1 1
4w 1 1 3
2w 4 1 1
3w 3 4 2
2w 4 2 2
3w 4 3 4
2w 1 4 1
4w 3 3 1
3w 4 2 2
2w 3 4 4
3w 3 2 2
4w 2 1 1
3w 2 4 4
1L 2L 1w 2
1L 4w 4 4
3w 4 1 3
2w 2 2 1
2w 2 1 3
4w 2 3 1
2w 4 2 3
1L 2L 2w 1
3w 2 2 1
3w 2 2 3
3w 3 2 2
3w 3 1 1
3w 2 3 3
4w 1 2 2
Longest losing run LLL (3 times)
:)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 13, 04:29 AM 2016Longest losing run LLL (3 times)
Veeery nice....
Thanks A.
Quote from: nextyear on May 13, 04:44 AM 2016
Veeery nice....
Thanks A.
Impressive atlantis!
This I also must test!
Thanks!
Quote from: atlantis on May 13, 04:29 AM 2016
Session using onetaste's idea of betting the quads against the exact formation of 1-2-3-4.
This makes for more bets and faster progress to a target goal.
Session can end though if 1-2-3-4 occurs. (didn't happen here)
...
A.
When I see this a flatbet with parlay should work?
- Tuddilue
Nice Atlantis
Surely some progression must be used
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 13, 06:21 AM 2016
Nice Atlantis
Surely some progression must be used
Flatbet and parlay and then when positive just increase the unit size.
I think that is the way to go if it works of course :wink:
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on May 13, 07:30 AM 2016
Flatbet and parlay and then when positive just increase the unit size.
I think that is the way to go if it works of course :wink:
- Tuddilue
Indeed
But this is a 27 number bet
So if we bet against 1 2 3 4 and win on 4 everytime we NEED a progression for this to work
More testing needes. I will tweak
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 13, 07:35 AM 2016
Indeed
But this is a 27 number bet
So if we bet against 1 2 3 4 and win on 4 everytime we NEED a progression for this to work
More testing needes. I will tweak
Sorry didn't think about that :question:
So you need 3 winning in a row to just bet a parlay or recover a flatbet...
Will be interesting to see what your result will be. I will also test around.
- Tuddilue
For you Europeans this is not a big deal
With your .10 cent internet live dealer casinos a 4 step progression is merely pennies
For me $10 minimum, no bueno
:P
With the bankroll requirements at a $ 10 table it is safer to be a day trader with penny stocks .( penny stock below $ 5 per share.)
Bankroll ,for a ,$ 10 min table $ 1,2000.--
Trade at your own risk.
Atlantis
My man Greg Fletcher been lurking?
Haha
what are the stats per line?
Line 1 w/l
Line 2
etc
Barely goes to 4th line bet... so i think a labby would help with two lines
Labby Line 1&3
Labby Line 2&4
***I posted a labby idea that i wanted someone to program for me, check that thread and it will give more info on a very good way to keep lines down.***
Quote from: Willie on May 12, 09:24 AM 2016
Whenever we see 3 unique quads like 3,1,4 we bet that the fourth one won't be unique. In this case we bet on 3,1,4 hoping that 2 won't come.
Using Willies way - but without the matrix grid lines.
(Are they really necessary anyway?)
Playing sequentially (without lines)
Method: If last three quads are different - bet for repeat.
Session
=====
1
2
4
1w +3*
1w +6*
1
4
4
3
3
1
3
4
4w +9*
4
1
4
1
1
3
3
3
3
2
4
4w +12*
4
3
4
2
2w +15*
3
3
4
4
2
4
4
4
4
1
2
3L +6 Incr to Level 2 bets
3w +12 Decr to Level 1 bets
3
3
1
2
4L +3 Incr to Level 2 bets
4w +9 Decr to Level 1 bets
4
4
3
1
1w +12
4
3
4w +15*
3
4
2
4w +18*
Stopped here with +18u (equates to 6x3u wins)
A.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 13, 01:13 PM 2016
Atlantis
My man Greg Fletcher been lurking?
Haha
Hi RG,
Hahaha :)
Yes - it is Silverthorne & Co. A.K.A. Sharpshooter roulette. Same thing.
The quads in question are not 3 streets though.
Its a corner betting selection with progression.
You can probably find it and read thru google...
Very similar to his "lines" system rouletteCBW.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 14, 04:12 AM 2016
Using Willies way - but without the matrix grid lines.
(Are they really necessary anyway?)
Playing sequentially (without lines)
Method: If last three quads are different - bet for repeat.
Session
=====
1
2
4
1w +3*
1w +6*
1
4
4
3
3
1
3
4
4w +9*
4
1
4
1
1
3
3
3
3
2
4
4w +12*
4
3
4
2
2w +15*
3
3
4
4
2
4
4
4
4
1
2
3L +6 Incr to Level 2 bets
3w +12 Decr to Level 1 bets
3
3
1
2
4L +3 Incr to Level 2 bets
4w +9 Decr to Level 1 bets
4
4
3
1
1w +12
4
3
4w +15*
3
4
2
4w +18*
Stopped here with +18u (equates to 6x3u wins)
A.
Thanks for a good method!
Can you explain a little bit more about the levels?
How much you are betting and the progression?
Thanks..
- Tuddilue
Judging by the example looks as if after the loss he increased each position to 2 units. He jumoed from +6 to +12 in one spin
Each loss add 1 unit on the win decrease. Seems that to me
Looks to me that playing on a rolling basis vs mini games of 4 yields less losses in a row
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 14, 11:57 AM 2016
Judging by the example looks as if after the loss he increased each position to 2 units. He jumoed from +6 to +12 in one spin
Each loss add 1 unit on the win decrease. Seems that to me
Yes I'm with you. That one I also figured out..
But what happens if going to level 3 or 4 what is the increment?
Interesting...
-Tuddilue
If doing grassrootz style,could narrow down betting to 2/3 bets per line.ghost spin for a particular quadrant (whether 1,2,3 or 4),then bet that it doesn't continue on in a sequential fashion.Or,with a lil more patience/safety,wait for two sequential quads 1-2,2-3,3-4,etc. then bet that next two will not be in sync. :D
heres my thoguhts
playing against 123 on dozens is more likely to fail because its 12 number groups
playing against 1234 on "quads" will have a higher win rate simply because its less numbers in each group. so the chances of a 1234 are significantly lower
now how do we play it? a progression gets too out of hand
perhaps play against quad 1, win or lose sit out next 3 spins then bet against quad 1 again
or play as atlantis did above, on a rolling basis, when prior 3 were all different bet those 3 betting that a unique will not form. which having many uniques this way most likely will not happen because the number groups are smaller
i think its a good method
we are not changing odds or predicting where the ball will fall but it may be better then randomly betting
man i wish i could have a .10 cent minimum casino
id play all day
Thanks RG,
Im now +116pts (36 games won) with the "rolling" way (Willie's method)
For those that prefer to target ONE quad only - worth a look to review again Turner's "Quad Cycle" topic here:
link:://betselection.cc/street-4/quad-cycle/msg16044/?topicseen#msg16044
Great Contributions from GreatGrampa and Priyanka in it too! :)
A.
Meant to say there's a vid there from Priyanka worthy of study.... :)
link:://betselection.cc/street-4/quad-cycle/msg16044/?topicseen#msg16044
A.
Thats great
What exactly is the prog
Done a couple of tests like you Atlantis and got similar results.
Doesn't seem to get too far in a hole either.
Rg +1/-1
Most sessions you won't go much beyond betting 4. Hit rate is solid
BW
Solid
Good stuff
Quote from: atlantis on May 15, 11:47 AM 2016For those that prefer to target ONE quad only - worth a look to review again Turner's "Quad Cycle" topic here:
link:://betselection.cc/street-4/quad-cycle/msg16044/?topicseen#msg16044
funny, I read this last night. I was going to ask if you minded me posting the link but you beat me to it.
I think the most interesting parts are GG/Priyankas input.
Quick test on 00 wheel
hmmmm how to handle this
if i was thrown at the table right now i would wait for 4 unique in a row and use that as a trigger. that eliminates the 3 L in a row
3
2
4
3 W
2 W
1 L
3 W
1 W
2
4 L
3 L
1 L
4 W
3 W
3 W
2
4
2 W
1
00 L
4
4
3
3
4
3
2
1 L
3 W
3 W
1
2
4 L
3 L
3 W
3
0
3
3
4
3
4
wait for 4 unique then bet the last 3
1
4
3
2
now bet 4 3 and 2
i got a chance to read turners thread
great thread actually with some great people
interesting
its betting "hot" numbers essentially
performed well when I just tested it
Hi Atlantis!
It reminds me of the code 4, which has been on this forum. I'm not sure that this method will in profit.
So there will again be at the rate equal chances. The loss of 3 units of profit 1. Maybe I'm wrong.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 15, 03:51 PM 2016
wait for 4 unique then bet the last 3
1
4
3
2
now bet 4 3 and 2
Yes - that also a very good idea, RG!
A.
With the house and closing i havent had time to test but this is on the top of my list
After the "sequential" recording of the quads I now try recording them in "pairs".
For this particular test I decide to play after a matching pair and bet against the next 2 results NOT to be a matching pair.
For example:
3 4
2 2 - trigger match
1 4 - win (bet against the second element of the pair being a "1")
See attached .txt file.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 20, 01:40 PM 2016
After the "sequential" recording of the quads I now try recording them in "pairs".
For this particular test I decide to play after a matching pair and bet against the next 2 results NOT to be a matching pair.
For example:
3 4
2 2 - trigger match
1 4 - win (bet against the second element of the pair being a "1")
See attached .txt file.
Regards,
A.
Good twist Atlantis
How many wins and losses did you get in those 1000 spins using this tweak
QUAD PAIR BETTING (Version2)
=================
Betting on EC+Quad.
Betting on the EC's:
HIGH or
LOW
Betting on the Quads:
1 = 1-9
2 = 10-18
3 = 19-27
4 = 28-36
Method: Record quads in pairs.
After 2 matching pairs - bet for non-match in 2nd column on next pair.
Bet placement:
Low+Quad3
Low+Quad4
High+Quad1
High+Quad2
After a LOSS - STOP BETTING.
RESTART only after further 2 matching pairs - bet for non-match in 2nd column on next pair.
1000 spins
=======
*=matching pair
1 3
2 3
2 1
2 2*
4 1
2 2*
4 3win
2 4
4 3
4 3
3 3*
1 2
2 3
2 3
3 4
4 2
4 1
4 3
2 4
4 1
1 4
2 2*
2 4win
2 2*
4 3
3 4
4 2
4 2
3 3*
4 1win
4 1
4 4*
2 1
1 3
1 1*
2 3win
2 4
2 1
1 1*
1 4
1 3
4 4*
4 2win
2 3
4 1
4 2
1 4
2 2*
3 2
3 3*
4 2win
1 3
4 2
4 2
3 4
2 1
3 3
1 3
1 3
1 1*
1 2
4 2
2 4
2 4
4 4*
1 4win
1 4
4 3
2 4
1 1*
1 2
4 4*
1 4win
1 4
3 4
3 3*
3 1
2 2*
1 2win
2 2*
4 3
3 3*
2 1win
2 2*
2 2*
3 4win
4 2
1 1*
4 1
3 1
2 2*
3 3lost
1 1*
3 2
2 2*
3 4win
1 3
2 4
4 4*
3 1
2 2*
3 2win
2 2*
3 3*
2 4win
4 1
3 4
4 3
1 4
1 3
4 4*
4 1
3 4
4 2
2 3
1 4
1 3
3 2
4 1
4 3
1 3
3 2
1 3
4 2
3 2
1 2
1 2
4 3
3 1
1 3
1 3
3 4
2 1
4 3
4 4*
3 2win
2 1
2 2*
3 2
3 1
4 2
4 3
1 2
1 2
4 4*
1 2win
3 3*
2 2*
3 3lost
4 3
3 4
1 2
2 2*
1 4
3 3*
3 4win
4 4*
3 1
1 2
3 2
1 1*
1 3win
4 1
4 2
2 1
3 2
1 3
1 4
4 2
2 4
1 2
1 2
2 3
4 4*
3 4
3 3*
4 4lost
4 1
3 3*
3 3*
3 1win
4 3
3 2
2 2*
2 4
4 3
2 2*
1 2win
4 1
4 3
1 3
2 2*
3 3*
4 1win
1 3
4 4*
3 3*
1 4win
2 3
3 3*
4 2
1 3
2 2*
4 2win
3 1
1 1*
3 3*
3 4win
2 4
3 3*
3 3*
4 2win
4 2
2 1
2 1
3 4
4 4*
1 3
4 3
1 1*
1 3win
1 1*
3 4
2 1
1 4
3 4
2 4
4 3
1 1*
1 2win
1 3
2 4
2 3
1 2
1 3
4 4*
2 1
4 1
4 2
3 2
3 1
1 2
1 2
4 3
2 1
1 4
3 4
1 4
4 3
1 3
3 3*
2 1win
1 1*
1 1*
2 3win
4 2
2 3
3 1
2 2*
3 3*
4 2win
1 1*
4 4*
1 4win
2 2*
3 3*
3 1win
1 1*
1 3
1 3
3 3*
3 3lost
1 2
4 1
3 1
1 2
3 1
1 2
4 3
3 1
1 4
2 2*
4 4*
4 2win
2 2*
4 4*
4 4lost
3 1
4 1
4 4*
4 4*
4 4lost
4 4*
2 4
2 1
3 3*
4 2win
2 2*
4 2
2 3
2 1
3 3*
2 1win
2 1
4 1
3 1
1 2
2 2*
2 4
3 2
1 4
4 2
1 4
3 4
2 4
4 1
4 1
2 3
4 2
4 4*
3 2win
3 2
2 3
3 3*
2 3
4 4*
1 2win
4 1
2 2*
3 3*
1 2win
4 1
4 4*
1 3
3 3*
1 4win
3 1
4 4*
2 3
1 2
3 1
3 4
2 3
3 4
4 2
4 1
2 1
3 1
4 1
2 3
2 3
1 4
4 2
2 4
2 3
3 3*
3 3lost
2 1
1 2
4 1
3 4
2 4
1 4
1 3
1 4
4 1
2 4
4 3
1 1*
2 4
2 4
3 2
1 1*
4 2win
1 2
3 3*
3 2
1 1*
4 2win
2 2*
3 2
4 1
3 4
2 1
3 2
1 4
1 2
2 1
1 4
3 1
3 3*
2 3win
3 3*
3 3*
2 4win
4 4*
4 4*
1 1lost
3 1
3 2
3 4
1 2
3 4
3 4
1 4
2 1
1 2
1 3
3 4
1 4
2 3
1 3
2 4
4 2
2 2*
3 2
1 1*
1 4win
2 4
1 4
2 1
4 4*
2 3
4 3
2 3
2 3
2 4
4 2
3 1
4 1
2 3
2 1
4 4*
4 4lost
4 3
2 1
1 3
3 4
4 4*
1 4
3 2
4 1
1 1*
4 2win
4 3
1 1*
3 4
1 4
1 3
2 3
1 1*
1 4win
2 2*
1 4
4 4*
3 2win
2 4
3 1
2 4
3 2
1 1*
3 1
1 2
1 2
3 2
2 3
4 4*
1 2win
2 1
2 3
1 2
2 2*
1 1*
4 2win
4 3
3 1
1 2
2 4
1 4
4 1
2 1
3 2
2 2*
3 1
2 1
1 4
1 2
1 4
2 1
4 4*
4 4lost
3 4
3 1
4 4*
2 2*
1 3win
1 1*
4 1
3 4
4 2
===
END
===
Longest Losing Run = 2
Bets won=50; Bets lost=10
Regards,
A.
I like to bet with low limit stakes on live autowheel (with le partage returns for EC)
Here is example bet placement for a bet on LOW+Quad4 after waiting for the preliminary 2 matched pairs... which in this case was a win :)
Stake=0.9
Return=1.2
Profit=0.3
A.
I look to get more bets so when I see that two RIGHT-TO-LEFT downward diagonal MATCHES have occurred I similarly bet that the next right to left diagonal pair will NOT be a match by betting that the result in column 1 will not match the last result in column 2...
* = matching pair (horizontally or right to left diagonally)
Here is same spinfile with the additional column 1 wins and losses now shown.
1000 spins
=========
1 3
2 3
2 1
2 2*
4 1
2 2*
4 3w
2 4
4* 3
4 3
3* 3*
1w 2
2* 3
2 3
3* 4
4L 2
4 1
4 3
2 4
4* 1
1* 4
2w 2*
2* 4w
2 2*
4 3
3* 4
4L 2
4 2
3 3*
4 1w
4 1
4 4*
2 1
1* 3
1 1*
2 3w
2 4
2 1
1* 1*
1L 4
1 3
4 4*
4* 2w
2* 3
4w 1
4 2
1 4
2 2*
3 2
3 3*
4 2w
1 3
4 2
4 2
3 4
2 1
3 3
1 3
1 3
1 1*
1* 2
4 2
2* 4
2w 4
4* 4*
1 4w
1 4
4* 3
2w 4
1 1*
1* 2
4 4*
1 4w
1 4
3 4
3 3*
3* 1
2w 2*
1 2w
2* 2*
4 3
3* 3*
2w 1w
2 2*
2* 2*
3 4w
4* 2
1w 1*
4 1
3 1
2 2*
3 3L
1 1*
3 2
2* 2*
3 4w
1 3
2 4
4* 4*
3w 1
2 2*
3 2w
2* 2*
3 3*
2 4w
4* 1
3w 4
4* 3
1 4
1 3
4 4*
4* 1
3w 4
4* 2
2* 3
1w 4
1 3
3* 2
4 1
4 3
1 3
3* 2
1w 3
4 2
3 2
1 2
1 2
4 3
3* 1
1* 3
1w 3
3* 4
2 1
4 3
4 4*
3 2w
2* 1
2w 2*
3 2
3 1
4 2
4 3
1 2
1 2
4 4*
1 2w
3 3*
2 2*
3 3L
4 3
3* 4
1 2
2* 2*
1w 4
3 3*
3* 4w
4* 4*
3w 1
1* 2
3 2
1 1*
1* 3w
4w 1
4 2
2* 1
3 2
1 3
1 4
4* 2
2L 4
1 2
1 2
2* 3
4 4*
3 4
3 3*
4 4L
4* 1
3w 3*
3* 3*
3* 1w
4w 3
3* 2
2* 2*
2L 4
4* 3
2 2*
1 2w
4 1
4 3
1 3
2 2*
3 3*
4 1w
1* 3
4w 4*
3 3*
1 4w
2 3
3* 3*
4 2
1 3
2 2*
4 2w
3 1
1* 1*
3w 3*
3* 4w
2 4
3 3*
3* 3*
4w 2w
4 2
2* 1
2 1
3 4
4* 4*
1w 3
4 3
1 1*
1* 3w
1 1*
3 4
2 1
1* 4
3w 4
2 4
4* 3
1 1*
1* 2w
1w 3
2 4
2 3
1 2
1 3
4 4*
2 1
4 1
4 2
3 2
3 1
1* 2
1 2
4 3
2 1
1* 4
3w 4
1 4
4* 3
1 3
3* 3*
2w 1w
1* 1*
1* 1*
2w 3w
4 2
2* 3
3* 1
2w 2*
3 3*
4 2w
1 1*
4 4*
1 4w
2 2*
3 3*
3* 1w
1* 1*
1L 3
1 3
3* 3*
3* 3L
1w 2
4 1
3 1
1* 2
3 1
1* 2
4w 3
3* 1
1* 4
2w 2*
4 4*
4* 2w
2* 2*
4w 4*
4* 4L
3 1
4 1
4 4*
4* 4*
4L 4L
4* 4*
2 4
2 1
3 3*
4 2w
2* 2*
4w 2
2* 3
2 1
3 3*
2 1w
2 1
4 1
3 1
1* 2
2L 2*
2* 4
3 2
1 4
4* 2
1w 4
3 4
2 4
4* 1
4 1
2 3
4 2
4 4*
3 2w
3 2
2* 3
3L 3*
2 3
4 4*
1 2w
4 1
2 2*
3 3*
1 2w
4 1
4 4*
1 3
3* 3*
1 4w
3 1
4 4*
2 3
1 2
3 1
3 4
2 3
3* 4
4L 2
4 1
2 1
3 1
4 1
2 3
2 3
1 4
4* 2
2* 4
2w 3
3* 3*
3* 3L
2w 1
1* 2
4 1
3 4
2 4
1 4
1 3
1 4
4* 1
2w 4
4* 3
1 1*
2 4
2 4
3 2
1 1*
4 2w
1 2
3 3*
3* 2
1w 1*
4 2w
2* 2*
3 2
4 1
3 4
2 1
3 2
1 4
1 2
2* 1
1w 4
3 1
3 3*
2 3w
3* 3*
3* 3*
2w 4w
4* 4*
4* 4*
1w 1L
3 1
3 2
3 4
1 2
3 4
3 4
1 4
2 1
1* 2
1 3
3* 4
1w 4
2 3
1 3
2 4
4* 2
2* 2*
3w 2
1 1*
1* 4w
2 4
1 4
2 1
4 4*
2 3
4 3
2 3
2 3
2 4
4* 2
3w 1
4 1
2 3
2 1
4 4*
4* 4L
4* 3
2w 1
1* 3
3* 4
4L 4*
1 4
3 2
4 1
1* 1*
4 2w
4 3
1 1*
3 4
1 4
1 3
2 3
1 1*
1* 4w
2w 2*
1 4
4* 4*
3 2w
2* 4
3w 1
2 4
3 2
1 1*
3 1
1* 2
1 2
3 2
2* 3
4w 4*
1 2w
2* 1
2 3
1 2
2* 2*
1w 1*
4 2w
4 3
3* 1
1* 2
2L 4
1 4
4* 1
2 1
3 2
2* 2*
3w 1
2 1
1* 4
1 2
1 4
2 1
4 4*
4* 4L
3w 4
3 1
4 4*
2 2*
1 3w
1 1*
4 1
3 4
4* 2
====
END
====
Possibly 2 players? Each player can play on their own column with separate progression.
COLUMN 1
--------------
Bets won=63; Bets L=11
COLUMN 2
--------------
Bets won=50; Bets L=10
A.
Update
I won 5.40u today playing for real on live autowheel with my low stakes; that equates to 18 wins (@0.3u) Over 3 sessions.
I will stick with it for now as it does seem to be going well for me. I stick to the rules above. Win some units hit and run.
A.
Here is result of my first session today of this method which I am now naming "Smart Binary Quads". (SBQ)
(Live autowheel - single 0 - le partage)
Session #8
##########
t1 = trigger1
t2 = trigger2
Quad Pairs
========
4 3
1 2
4 2
2 3
1 3
t1 3 4
t2 4 2
W 3 1
2 1
t1 1 3
2 1
3 1
t2 1 4
W 1 1 t1
2 3
1 4
t1 4 4 t2
1 4 W
t2 4 1
W 2 1
4 4 t1
3 2
4 2
1 1 t2
3 2 W
Stopped here. 5 wins.
Total profit so far = £14.10 (47 wins x 0.3u)
Slow and gradual but easy to track and play; building up nicely so carrying on with it. :)
Don't blame me if it turns out to be yet another grail... :) :smile: :ooh: >:D
A.
Hello A.
i didn't understand the bet selection sorry. I know the quads but I didn't understand when they are qualified or better what are you playing when you have the qualified.
Your Example:
t1 3 4
t2 4 2
W 3 1
T1 I understand 3 and 4 are not the same
T2 4 and 2 are not the same
What are you playing now?
I assuem you play 3 but why not 1...
:-[
Can you bring light up in it?
Thanks
Hex
Quote from: hexfex82 on Sep 09, 08:54 AM 2016
Hello A.
i didn't understand the bet selection sorry. I know the quads but I didn't understand when they are qualified or better what are you playing when you have the qualified.
Your Example:
t1 3 4
t2 4 2
W 3 1
T1 I understand 3 and 4 are not the same
T2 4 and 2 are not the same
What are you playing now?
I assuem you play 3 but why not 1...
:-[
Can you bring light up in it?
Thanks
Hex
Hello Hex,
See replies 69 and 71 for the full playing instructions.
You can play for the horizontals (by betting column 2) or the right/left diagonals (by betting in column 1) .... or BOTH ways!
However, it is very important to get TWO trigger matches first before betting for a non-match to occur after the first element of the very next pair is formed.
Win or Lose you must STOP. Wait for the next trigger again (2 matching pairs) before placing the next bet.
So with this you have to resist the strong urge or temptation to continue betting immediately after a loss.
In the snippet you posted:
1 3
t1 3 4
t2 4 2
W 3 1
There are two consecutive right-left diagonal matches (3-3 and 4-4). These two triggers don't HAVE to be consecutive though. You can have gaps between them. After the two "matches" it means I can now bet AGAINST a right diagonal match of the 2 to happen in column 1 by betting on HIGH+Quad 1; and it is a (W)in as Quad 3 occurs.... Stop betting.
It is same procedure for the "horizontals".
A bet is 9u.
6u on the EC and 3 street bets @ 1u.
You can flat bet all the way until you get a few wins ahead OR on a LOSS increase the EC by 6u and the streets by 1u to start to try and win back the loss but I would beware of using rising progressions...
I simply try and accept a few wins profit for each session (3-6 wins generally, if I can)
A.
Thanks A. I got it. I played already and had 5 wins without a loss.
I'm just thinking if I play it with higher stakes if I should put 1 Unit on the green devil...
Quote from: Priyanka on July 12, 2013, 02:09:21 am
Quote
On a different note, I tried two lines in the matrix not to repeat. Something like below.
4243
44 - Win
1221
2 - win
2242
2243 - win
2242
2242 - loss
995763 wins and 4237 losses in 1Mn betting opportunities.
Now come on bright minds! Figure out a progression.
A.