A final is a one or two digit number ending in 0-6. I've adapted RouletteKeyGold to tell you when there is only 1 final remaining. In the video example it is number 6.I therefore bet on all numbers ending in 6 so I bet on 6,16,26 & 26. Its comparatively rare for such a final to sleep more than 28 times. Although a record of 96 times has been recorded but I doubt this was when only 1 final remained.
Is anybody else playing final fours ?
If so how.
I find if I let the last remaining final sleep 6 times I usually win within a few spins
i do have a finals system botted and the reverse of it...slightly different to this though i,ll post on other site shortly here is the system link i got nick to build it from...i even had virtual losses built in
link:://:.roulettemanagement.com/ (link:://:.roulettemanagement.com/)
from an earlier post
since asked the ? on finals, seen final 6 take 76 spins on rng and final 5 take 72 spins, so best advice is dont bother
mathemagician
if you look in notepad page 2 topic trying something smart live reply 1 final 5 takes 54 spins,need anymore
A few years back there was a system put up from le .bear and .17 black , it covers 15 numbers at a time in two groups finales 1,2,6,9 s and 0,3,5,7 the 4s and 8s were left out so when the 15 numbers that you were on missed for two spins you go for the other group , I cant recall much more than that
I have played it many times.(a while ago now) when I have noticed either one of the groups have been missing for some time and it wins.
Maybe some of the longer time members here may be able to locate it and post it up.
A I think it was called 15 number dominance, gee the little grey cells a starting to fire up ,I will continue my search .for it.
Good Luck
You were close pedro, its called 14 number Dominance.
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1507.0;nowap (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1507.0;nowap)
Hi Muggins
do you know why this topic stopped
For what its worth I've been testing data from SmartLive and I've set an alert in RouletteKeyGold for 14 so I'm alerted when the last remaining final has slept 14 times. And the alert for 3 finals (i.e a dozen numbers) to 5.
Both these techniques are proving successful but have to be run in conjunction with other systems as they rarely occur. However, I may be able to improve my success rate by using median & mode averages to set the alerts.
MM
Ladbrokes today 40 spins
10
30
9
12
9
7
17
26
3
28
26
26
30
28
12
10
35
8
17
12
8
31
0
36
18
0
26
8
16
31
5
17
22
7
30
27
10
22
29
21
no final 4. Think 14 dominance would been okay
Are the figures below live or RNG ?
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 11, 01:35 PM 2014
MM
Ladbrokes today 40 spins
10
30
9
12
9
7
17
26
3
28
26
26
30
28
I ran them through RKG and noticed that after the 14th Spin there were 3 finales 1,4 & 5 these were hit with 35 on the 17th spin.
There should be an image below or attached
MM
rng afraid, seems members not like. So how you stake those 12 numbers, 1,1,2,3,?
without a doubt RNG is coded to avoid bets
you WILL win sometimes but i have played 35 numbers and the 36th number hit 3 times in a row. YES this is possible but damn
Sorry to hear that RouleteGhost.
I guess the statement that I've made numerous times is REALLY TRUE. If there are numbers or a number that will cause you to lose your bet, sooner or later it or they will hit close enough together to bust your bank roll. Even if it didn't bust your bank roll, it's a long, hard climb out of that hole.
GLC
heres my finals sheets that work on the bot..should have posted these a long time ago..also reverse finals too...
link:://:.mediafire.com/view/c6zzngk7gbmwiv7/Finales_1.4.xlsx (link:://:.mediafire.com/view/c6zzngk7gbmwiv7/Finales_1.4.xlsx)
link:://:.mediafire.com/view/rg0z7d93cwqodus/Finales_Reverse_1.2.xlsx (link:://:.mediafire.com/view/rg0z7d93cwqodus/Finales_Reverse_1.2.xlsx)
link:://:.mediafire.com/view/a1v313jptva8dnd/Finales_1.1.xlsx (link:://:.mediafire.com/view/a1v313jptva8dnd/Finales_1.1.xlsx)
link:://:.mediafire.com/view/xfh7p948jsr9a37/Finales_Reverse_1.0.xlsx (link:://:.mediafire.com/view/xfh7p948jsr9a37/Finales_Reverse_1.0.xlsx)
link:://:.mediafire.com/view/ubffvb7gfiix5n1/Finales_Reverse_1.1_prpoper_progression.xlsx (link:://:.mediafire.com/view/ubffvb7gfiix5n1/Finales_Reverse_1.1_prpoper_progression.xlsx)
enjoy playing about with the settings ..profit ...stopl losss virtual losses etc :)
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 11, 07:01 PM 2014
you stake those 12 numbers, 1,1,2,3,?
Depends on my bank I like 1,1,1 sometimes I'd go another spin maximum risk 48.
Another bet usually comes up in a minute in this example it did on spin 17 there was a bet on 3 sixains 1/6,13/18 & 19/24 this is worth a short progression and would win on spin 18 when 17 comes up
As you can see i've used finals before. But this way looks okay, perhaps i left alone as trying a single final can take many spins.
I should of put the missed finals 2,3,5,6 spins 1-10 in 11-20 and so on.
+113 needs more testing.
Hi NTH
Thanks for posting the sheet above, it looks very interesting.
Hi Shuttle
yes the sheet is good but further test not so good, but the tests are on FOBT rng.
so what are finales...I thought they were this
0,10,20,30
1,11,21,31,
2,12,22,32
3,13,23,33
4,14,24,34
5,15,25,35
6,16,26,36
7,17,27,
8,18,28
9,19,29
10 groups
7 have 4 numbers, 3 have 3.
Whats so good about them?
I would love someone to explain why they would choose this wonky group selection
Hi NTH
Yes I agree, on my second set of numbers I had a line of 10 numbers which were not hit. That's roulette. :(
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 06:49 PM 2016
so what are finales...I thought they were this
0,10,20,30
1,11,21,31,
2,12,22,32
3,13,23,33
4,14,24,34
5,15,25,35
6,16,26,36
7,17,27,
8,18,28
9,19,29
10 groups
7 have 4 numbers, 3 have 3.
Whats so good about them?
I would love someone to explain why they would choose this wonky group selection
as good as any
fun of the game? hobbyists like to create methods and unique ways of play?!
dont NEED a good reason
Look at sheet from today
1-10 missing 0,1,2,3,7 = half the wheel final 2 hits straight away.
11-20 missing 1,3,4,6,7,9= 22 #'s not hit. final 1 hits straight away.
21-30 missing 0,4,9 = 11 have not hit. these 11 take 10 spins
31-40 missing 4,5,6,7,9 = again half the wheel, now look back 9 not hit for 30 spins same for 4, so one would think these must
come.
41-50 missing 0,4,5,7,8,9 so beware finals are naughty final 4 missed for 57 spins in game 1 and still takes 9spins of game 2
Turner dont forget the split finals as i said beware they do behave badly
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 24, 06:58 PM 2016
as good as any
fun of the game? hobbyists like to create methods and unique ways of play?!
dont NEED a good reason
Thanks Rich...I get that and I wouldnt want to party poop.
see...I am disagree with "unique"
Thats my point
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 07:12 PM 2016
Thanks Rich...I get that and I wouldnt want to party poop.
see...I am disagree with "unique"
Thats my point
figured id remind you that its a roulette strategy forum so people will post ideas even if the maths dont line up ;)
I think its a unique idea......
i dont think anyone gets to decide if it is a wonky selection or not.....
hobbyists. ya know?
"i dont think anyone gets to decide if it is a wonky selection or not" >> This is the question I have brought up at least 50 times before. So then, where is the line drawn?
Meaning, a person posts his new GREATEST method ever.....after every 2 4 6 8 that hits, start betting the 32 33 36 for 10 spins, its the HOLY GRAIL !!
Can I/you (or should I ) decide its a wonky selection? *WHEN* *WHEN* can a member chime in if he does NOT agree??
Ken
i said my piece
this is what im dealing with now:
ill take any wonky method to help
Windows
$350.00
Remove and replace one bathroom window.
Interior doors
$2,025.00
Remove and replace nine interior doors and hardware.
Bathroom
$8,500.00
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 24, 07:31 PM 2016
figured id remind you that its a roulette strategy forum so people will post ideas even if the maths dont line up ;)
I think its a unique idea......
i dont think anyone gets to decide if it is a wonky selection or not.....
hobbyists. ya know?
I think you are defining this hobbyist theory well. Good marketing on your behalf.
I will say this.
The use of the word hobbyist is just an excuse for refluxing the same bet selections as a tool to just keep continuously talking over and over with no end product.
Quote from: Turner on Mar 24, 08:01 PM 2016
The use of the word hobbyist is just an excuse for refluxing the same bet selections as a tool to just keep continuously talking over and over with no end product.
plenty of end products. KTF is one. Repeaters is another. Grassroots was and still is.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 24, 08:04 PM 2016
plenty of end products. KTF is one. Repeaters is another. Grassroots was and still is.
Ok...but at least listen to Turner for the first time in your life when I say this.
DO NOT go in casinos looking for windows and interior doors.
It will go tits up.
Dont be fooled by bullshitters in here with their "look at me riding the big wave"
Seen it all before with John Legend
Free advice
Take it or leave it.
Regarding KTF....let me ask this, ANYONE can answer.
As of today, its 54 days of posting/testing/playing. 54 days = HG? Simple question.
My opinion...5 straight years of posting/testing/playing the SAME method with great results,
MIGHT = very good method.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 24, 08:22 PM 2016
Regarding KTF....let me ask this, ANYONE can answer.
As of today, its 54 days of posting/testing/playing. 54 days = HG? Simple question.
My opinion...5 straight years of posting/testing/playing the SAME method with great results,
MIGHT = very good method.
Ken
Anyone?
Ken
I think your in the wrong thread ken -this isnt the ktf one
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 24, 11:18 PM 2016
I think your in the wrong thread ken -this isnt the ktf one
I know but reply #28 brought KTF up.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 24, 08:22 PM 2016
Regarding KTF....let me ask this, ANYONE can answer.
As of today, its 54 days of posting/testing/playing. 54 days = HG? Simple question.
My opinion...5 straight years of posting/testing/playing the SAME method with great results,
MIGHT = very good method.
Ken
"Very good" results perhaps, +40,+40,+40...then a drawdown of -600, -1000, -900. (that wipes out previous wins), it's insane i wouldn't play it, im sorry. it's a doubledozen bet or worse (with progression!)...
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 24, 08:22 PM 2016
Regarding KTF....let me ask this, ANYONE can answer.
As of today, its 54 days of posting/testing/playing. 54 days = HG? Simple question.
My opinion...5 straight years of posting/testing/playing the SAME method with great results,
MIGHT = very good method.
Ken
I'm getting close to 500 sessions (400 rng ) and it's winning a lot more than it loses. If this was in a B&M that would be years of play. Hg ? Uhm that's a dangerous word on this forum. But it's more than a very good method. Notto is the Man. :thumbsup:
Bit of KTF baiting, but like the clouds i just let it float on by
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 25, 05:11 AM 2016
... but like the clouds i just let it float on by
... and let the sun shine in!
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 24, 10:53 PM 2016
Anyone?
Ken
Not a single one here MrJack. :(
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 25, 05:11 AM 2016
Bit of KTF baiting, but like the clouds i just let it float on by
Your awesome
Based on what im seeing this qualifies as a great method
You have done tremendous work with all your sheets
So yes any vibe killing let it float on by
Actions speak louder then words
At this point for anyone to talk ktf rubbish theyd have to do it with actions, like post a test they have done. Cause with all you've posted words wont cut it
Great work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 25, 06:46 AM 2016
Your awesome
Based on what im seeing this qualifies as a great method
You have done tremendous work with all your sheets
So yes any vibe killing let it float on by
Actions speak louder then words
At this point for anyone to talk ktf rubbish theyd have to do it with actions, like post a test they have done. Cause with all you've posted words wont cut it
Great work
You cant pay bills with vibes. I only asked....in less than 54 days, if it is a HG or at min., a great method? In less than 54 days, thats all I wanted to know. Badger game on in under 3 hours!!
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Mar 24, 08:22 PM 2016
Regarding KTF....let me ask this, ANYONE can answer.
As of today, its 54 days of posting/testing/playing. 54 days = HG? Simple question.
My opinion...5 straight years of posting/testing/playing the SAME method with great results,
MIGHT = very good method.
Ken
Ken - It doesn't have anything to do with days and years of posting. It is to do with the game expectation. 54 days and 5 straight years doesn't make a difference.
KTF lets assume is played with 50 unit win target and 1000 unit loss target. That is 20 attempts before a loss comes to catchup the wins or 20 days can afford one loss. We all know that it doesn't have to be that straightforward and strictly follow 20 attempts and 1 loss. There will be few 20 days where there will not be any loss. There will be few 20 days where there will be 1 loss and there will be few 20 days where there will be more than 1 loss and the last set is what will take a toll. For some these last set might come first and make their lives dreadful. For some this last set will keep evading. That is the beauty of progression based systems - This is the reason why Winkel's original method doesnt advice progressions.
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 26, 04:54 PM 2016
Ken - It doesn't have anything to do with days and years of posting. It is to do with the game expectation. 54 days and 5 straight years doesn't make a difference.
KTF lets assume is played with 50 unit win target and 1000 unit loss target. That is 20 attempts before a loss comes to catchup the wins or 20 days can afford one loss. We all know that it doesn't have to be that straightforward and strictly follow 20 attempts and 1 loss. There will be few 20 days where there will not be any loss. There will be few 20 days where there will be 1 loss and there will be few 20 days where there will be more than 1 loss and the last set is what will take a toll. For some these last set might come first and make their lives dreadful. For some this last set will keep evading. That is the beauty of progression based systems - This is the reason why Winkel's original method doesnt advice progressions.
For the record....Ken is not hiding, Ken is not allowed to respond.
If I post I had eggs for breakfast, there would be an all out riot on the board.
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 26, 04:54 PM 2016
Ken - It doesn't have anything to do with days and years of posting. It is to do with the game expectation. 54 days and 5 straight years doesn't make a difference.
KTF lets assume is played with 50 unit win target and 1000 unit loss target. That is 20 attempts before a loss comes to catchup the wins or 20 days can afford one loss. We all know that it doesn't have to be that straightforward and strictly follow 20 attempts and 1 loss. There will be few 20 days where there will not be any loss. There will be few 20 days where there will be 1 loss and there will be few 20 days where there will be more than 1 loss and the last set is what will take a toll. For some these last set might come first and make their lives dreadful. For some this last set will keep evading. That is the beauty of progression based systems - This is the reason why Winkel's original method doesnt advice progressions.
I am sorry that's not true. As soon as Winkel got abused by the math guys he stopped going forward.
If you really want to find out, ask Steve to restore all Winkels posts here and at VLS. He gave out hints to those who were following his thread how to use progression.
Winkel's system was silly.
Quote from: The General on Mar 27, 11:51 PM 2016
Winkel's system was silly.
Once again, that's for you to say.
Isn't that what Ken was telling everyone and you went against him, because no reason explained. You are blaiming House Edge If I understand you right?
Azim,
Again, you should already know why it won't work.
Quote from: The General on Mar 28, 12:08 AM 2016
Azim,
Again, you should already know why it won't work.
BTW, why are you here? To cause trouble for Ken.
That's telling me you are all words and no action. Nice talking to you. I am sure the offer for a 5 Star hotel was words with no actions. LOL
Trouble for Ken????
That doesn't even make sense. What does Ken have to do with any comment that I've made???
I'm not here to convince anyone to quit playing their systems. The level of denial in which some people exist is toooo deep. I've probably already commented too many times within this thread.
I'm here because I need intel from certain people in certain locations of the country. That's all.
I visit many casinos around the country and I like keeping up to date on some of the wheels that I enjoy playing.
Quote from: The General on Mar 28, 12:20 AM 2016
Trouble for Ken????
That doesn't even make sense. What does Ken have to do with any comment that I've made???
I'm not here to convince anyone to quit playing their systems. The level of denial in which some people exist is toooo deep. I've probably already commented too many times within this thread.
I'm here because I need intel from certain people in certain locations of the country. That's all.
I visit many casinos around the country and I like keeping up to date on some of the wheels that I enjoy playing.
Ken Issue:
If I saw a thread correct didn't you start a poll going against Ken?
To Ken, was that right or was I dreaming?
QuoteKen Issue:
If I saw a thread correct didn't you start a poll going against Ken?
To Ken, was that right or was I dreaming?
I did NOT start any poll. I still do not have any idea what the situation is with your Ken reference.
You are definitely dreaming.
Quote from: The General on Mar 28, 12:48 AM 2016
I did NOT start any poll. I still do not have any idea what the situation is with your Ken reference.
You are definitely dreaming.
As many other threads. That thread has been deleted too. So I was dreaming.. I GUESS. Good luck to you and your house edge.
Azim,
I have to ask...what country are you in? Are you here in the US?
No. I am not.
I can't take your offer on the 5 Start hotel, because I don't gamble to make money, dirrectly.
I can rent my bots and run them from where I am as a payment for services rendered. Just the same as a lawyer you claims to take 25% of your settlement.
Quote
I can't take your offer on the 5 Start hotel, because I don't gamble to make money, dirrectly.
I can rent my bots and run them from where I am as a payment for services rendered. Just the same as a lawyer you claims to take 25% of your settlement.
5 start hotel????? What are you talking about?
????????
And why would anyone want to waste money on a bot????
Quote from: The General on Mar 28, 01:04 AM 2016
5 start hotel????? What are you talking about?
????????
I am sorry.... I think I have mistaken you for foolwise....
I am sorry.
Ok, Anyways for those that want to try andruchi system and see why it's a scam.
Thank Thomas Grant for it.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=401.msg77679#msg77679
I have played with that file, it's exactly the same as whats on his website.
General
I am sorry I mistook you for Foolwise.
I am from Canada,.
General,
Sorry again.
I guess the thread has come back.
LOL, looks like it's a joke on here now.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16765.0