First of all I want to say that im new here, I uave visited other forums but never wanted to join any because most people arent there to help but only to prove you wrong or pit others down. This forum is hamds down the best, thats what I decided to join. Thank you guys. Ok so here goes my story. I went to Vegas a year ago for the first time and to say the least I got hooked on roulette... Lol yes I lost alot of money. Im going back in a couple days. And i am now wayyy more familiar and more knowleadge. I have practiced online and make a couple bucks. I know there is no holly grail but I will like to know what you guys recommend which system. I like to stay with outside bets... But im open to any advice. I want something that is simple and i wont look like a scientist at the tables trying to write things down or making calculations lol... I usually play red and black and bet on the color that just came up. I read somewhere that they colors never reallu come out in singles like RBRBRBRB its usually in chunks.. RBBRRRBBB... Is there a good progession system. I am looking to have a bank roll of about 300 and play at the 5 dollars table if i find any or 10. Thank you huys for the help!!!
Wow sorry for the horrible spelling.. Its hard typing on this phone!
If you're going to play outside bets
with just 300 dollars you might reconsider.
With three hundred dollars you could play regular
if you are playing inside flat-bet up to five numbers @ 0.10/number.
Outside you wait all day for say a dozen to hit six
consecutive times and bet $150 on the other two dozens (all or nothing).
Ricky - Welcome to the forum.
Going to Vegas - best of luck to you. (I'm down here in OZ land so a long way from Vegas).
1st up on a $5 table based on my local Sydney OZ casino table is $5 minimum for any inside number. For the EC (even chance) outside bets = R/B, O/E & H/L the limits are $25 to $1,000. From posts on CC here over time they've indicated that tables in Vegas vary their limits in line with how busy they get, something akin to peak & non peak ? As such I suggest you shoot for AM sessions (breakfast to around early noon) as these should be less busy & at lower chip levels ?
2nd with "ONLY" a $300 BR it's WAY TOO SMALL to play off a $25 EC minimum. TOO SMALL A BR is usually a recipe to FAIL ? It's way better to even postpone your trip until you save a decent BR.
As you want something simple than a double up plan may be the way to go ?
It's known as the Martingale progression. There's lot's of other progressions to study also & many safer than the Marty (less risky).
To BR it to fit the table limits needs A LOT MORE than $300. $300 is only 12 x $25 chips. $300 doesn't even make it to L4 bets on the double up plan. 3 losses to L3 is $175 gone & only & $125 left (5 chips). On CC here is a section about MM (money management) [scroll via home page] & plenty of posts well worth studying.
The Marty progressions would be L1. $25, L2. $50, L3. $100, L4. $200, L5. $400, L6. $800 & limit as L7 would be $1,600 & well past the top table limit.
Adding L1. to L6 = $1575 & min. BR. Add another $25 for some zero insurance bets on the higher outlays & it's $1,600. Then what about your other expenses ? Food, accommodation, travel ? $2 grand would maybe just be enough. There's not much worse than going somewhere & when you get there you find yourself virtually in the poor house without really getting up & running.
3rd. On another discussion today = thread "QUISHA ONE: A THREE NUMBER "UPARROW" SYSTEM". I demo an EC idea of Red then Odd alternating to Rich's test of 185 numbers. You might find that of interest in contrast to just your Red or Black idea. It doesn't need to be Red/Odd it can also be Black/Even, Red/ High, Red/Low, Red/even, Black/High, Black/Low & others. For my test I just chose Red/Odd & it did OK.
Cheers - Ausguy.
Hi R,
My advice is to steer clear of any progressions and french sounding betting methods like l'ambert etc!
There are plenty of good methods on here. Do some research and play one that suits your style, personality and BR.
With a 300 @ 5 : you have 60 bets. That's enough to make a small profit by flat betting.
You are not gonna win BIG. Accept small gains and build your BR.
Good luck to you!
SAS
Thank you guys for all the replys.
Ok let me rephrase that. I want to limit my loss to 300 a night. I will be there for three nights so that will be close to 1,000 for the trip. So i guess my actual BR. Is 1,000... I dont mind lossing all my BR in one night as I am going with my wife and three other couples and have more plans than just gambling (not my idea). But like I said I dont mind convering numbers.
So I guess my question is. If your bankroll is $1,000 and you were at a 10 dollar table what would you play?
Hi R
From my experience I win a lot more playing ec's.
But not playing the way Mr Casino wants me to play
such as R/B; H/L; O/E......It costs too much as Ausguy
rightly pointed out.
I simply bet 3 double street which costs a lot less......lol lol
I have been playing like this for years and it works perfectly for me.
Concerning progressions there are some very good ones in the forum.
Cheers
Chris
Sorry for my lack of roulette linguistics. But what are ec's? And do you do flat betting? Switch the numbers up or stick with the same ones the whole time?
Ricky - (EC = Even Chance bets R/B, O/E etc.) Now things are a lot clearer. With your wife & 2 x 2 other couples to distract you, you'll be hard pressed to make continued structured disciplined bets, especially if others with you are there to have fun & are generally making bets with no logic & trusting their results to Lady Luck.
$1,000 @ $10 chips is 100 chips & inside number plays. 3 double streets (same as x3 - 6 lines) not counting the zero's is 50% of the numbers covered & 100 % return on your bet on any win. 3 dbl streets costs $30 min. (3 x 10). So with a $300 stop loss per night it could mean (if lose) you end night 1 @ BR $700, night 2 @ $400 & night 3 @ $100 & probably $nil as the last $100 become HAIL MARY bets as you place $10 chips randomly ?
3 dbl streets could be 6 numbers covered on each dozen say 1 - 6, 13 - 18 & 25 -30. Flat bet you get 10 X $30 = $300 risk & 10 chances to win. At 50/50 chances to win or lose (not counting the zero's) you need a better than 50% win rate to profit. You could also do a 3 level double up progression of outlay 30, 60 & 120 = total risk $230 (any more takes you well past your 30% stop loss).
What I suggest is that you pretest a little before your Vegas trip & have your strategy worked out prior to setting foot inside the "HOUSE OF SIN". Once at the table team up with THE BOSS (wife) & have her place the chips as you "DIRECT" the bets (track in writing via a casino card or similar). That way THE BOSS has the excitement of any wins & is less likely (in theory HA! HA!) to deviate from the bet plan. Also, again in theory, all your friends could bet as you do either SAME AS or OPPOSITE TO ?
From what I've seen with groups of friends at the casino they mostly spread themselves around the games as they wander the gaming floor making a bet here & a bet there. The casino's love that as the odds are always on their side. The best way to go $$$$/mathematically would be to combine all your BR's & concentrate your bets with a higher progression & split the profits? Perhaps workable in theory but not in practice ?
As your latest post just came in I'd suggest you stick to the same numbers/bet pattern as in relative $ terms your BR (bank roll) & stop loss limits (restricts) your play options. Make sure you record your bet spins & even many more non bet spins. This allows you to test ideas & see where things went wrong if you lost, especially if you're there for 3 nights.
Hahaha funny reply. And thanks! But BOSS (wife) and friends will not come in between me and my dear friend the roulette lol. I dont think my friends are going to gamble much. Like i said the 300 bucks a night was just to give you guys an idea. But if i have to spend the 1000 of gambling money in one night to have a better chance of some winnings thats cool too.
Stick with 3 Double Street u can't go wrong....; even though the dealer, pitboss may
start look at u funny after a while if u winning ........lol lol
Lol thanks Chris! Flat betting?
Chris - Would the pit boss worry about someone winning $30 ? Especially on a layout full of chips ? My experience is that on low level bet wins it's all HO HUM for the dealer/supervisor/pit boss ?
A soft progression is better .....Some ideas are in this link.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14684.msg124213#msg124213 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14684.msg124213#msg124213)
@Ausguy - Of course they don't worry when someone is winning 30$.
However, in my case they often look at me funny as usually I'm the only one
playing 3 DS covering 18 nos; whilst the rest of the crowd are playing like robot
plenty inside nos or the standard ec bets which cost a lot more than 3 DS.
Chris when playing 3 double streets do you use a progression
Which works best for you
@Richbailey - Depending on what's going on at the table, I may use the Fibonacci idea, or stretched Fibonacci,
or Foolproof progression.
I like the 3 ds idea. Id use $5 units and maybe a positive progression?
May be do an analysis of the different progressions and pick the one that works
bets for u.
In my case the 3 above mentioned progressions work best for me.
Quote from: Rickyjr1211 on Sep 15, 05:07 AM 2014
Thank you guys for all the replys.
Ok let me rephrase that. I want to limit my loss to 300 a night. I will be there for three nights so that will be close to 1,000 for the trip. So i guess my actual BR. Is 1,000... I dont mind lossing all my BR in one night as I am going with my wife and three other couples and have more plans than just gambling (not my idea). But like I said I dont mind convering numbers.
This may sound rude but that is not my intention. You came here for help. This will help you!!
Cruel to be kind and all that!
You are going with completely the wrong attitude! You are expecting to lose! In fact you state you don't mind losing! No wonder the casinos are coining it in!
Get serious or don't play! Simple!
Study my Supa Dupa Method that Chris has already alluded to. And look it up yourself! You need to do some work and research. It won't fall on the plate for you!
Good luck! I have a feeling unless you apply yourself - you're gonna need it!
SAS
That did sound kind if rude!! Haha but its all good.. If i was going with a losing mentality I would of never even bothered reading all of YOUR and everyone else methods... I said i wouldnt mind losing the 1000 on one night meaning that i can have the 1000 dollars as my bankroll for that night! That i am not limited to 300 dollars as it got interpreted before. And trust me I have been doing alottt of reading here. Just wanted some advice on what worked best for everyone here..
Rich
Personally, I consider the idea of splitting 1000 into 3 bankrolls a good one.
But I would be only looking for £30-40 profit from the BR at each session.
You have been very honest about your knowledge and experience....so I will be.
If you dont know what EC or flatbet means, there is much more you dont know.
Its all about Health and Safety these days. You cant do the job until you have passed all the training.
You havnt mentioned stop loss or Win goal.
I think your win goal is thousands and your stop loss is £1000
it wont work.
With £300 BR (1/3 of my 1000), I would be very pleased with £75 if things were going very well, but my goal would be £30 - £40.
I would be coming home on the worse night ever with £200 of my £300. Thats certain.
My goal is 40 bucks a seasion. Once im up 40 bucks im getting up from that table!
Ricky - When you say a $10 table what does that mean ? How can you bet $5 units ?
On a $10 table here in OZ it means that the minimum units are $10 & you need to bet in $10 increments on the inside 36 (38) numbers (37 single zero here).
Find a streaky table. When you sense a streak of 4 reds do this:
Put 300 on red, if win let it ride with 600 on red, if win let it ride with 1200 on red, if win take the 2400 and walk away. All you need is a streak of 4.
Ofcourse that means i would be playing at a 10 dollar table... Im getting there tomorrow night until Friday so I know Mornings during the week you can find alot of 10 dollar tables..
Rich too risky for me lol
Turner has a good two-dozen street method worth a look.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.15 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7504.15)
If you bet 10/dozen (2 dozens in play) with a progression
of 1,3,9 (stop) you *should* reach your $40 per night goal.
So, what happened to Rick?
Another one bites the dust!
SAS
So Vegas was awesome as it always is.... Overall I did ok... Lost some, won some.. Drank alot for free lol I came out ontop $35 dollars.... Lol i found a whole buch of five dollar tables. Remember that I went dirimg the week. So i stuck
With playing two dozens and one street (thats six right). I would play the two larger number dozens and placed my street bet on 7-12 leaving eight mumbers uncovered the two zeros and i through 6. I would bet $10 on each of the two dozen then $5 on the street so risking $25 to make $5... Covering roughly 85% percent of the numbers?
I would usually wait until one of the eight uncovered numbers came out then I would bet. It did bite me in the but a couple times. But i came out on top... Didnt play as much as I wanted to because I could find a progression that i could use if I lost a bet... Is there any progression that I can hae with this?
If you are boozing - forget progressions!
SAS
Im guessing boozing means covering the majority of numbers?
nteresting TR about LV. I personally would never paly 30 numbers like 2 dozen sand a double street. But insteaed of $ 25 bet with $ 15.( $ 5 table min).
Less rsk, lower loss but do NOT replay net winnings. Keeping the net winnings SEPARATE from the allocated action money. Leave the gtable when the loss limit based on the original bankroll has reached bottom.
Example; Bankroll $ 200
Loss limit 25 % or $ 50.
Even if you have reached the loss limit the UNTOUCHED net winnings soften the blow or you mighteven show a slight profit.
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own nrisk.
Tamino
he best advice I can give is staying away from this 30 number method. No matter which way you slice the mustard it will bite you.
Go for the 2 columns or 2 dozens . Do some research on columns and dozens betting systems and you will be better of.
For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
Tamino.