For me: I was interested in roulette 20+ years ago, but I became brainwashed into believing "expert" opinions about Gambler's Fallacy and how systems should be discouraged - even though Martingale would work if there was no table limits.
It was only when I discovered Mathematical proof that Christianity was invented by a little known family of Roman emperors as a government project and the greatest satirical hoax of all-time that I decided to re-visit roulette; since MILLIONS of Academic books written about Christianity are totally wrong there might be a chance that roulette really can be beaten after all! I've discovered that you can't always trust the so-called experts.
The irony here is people look for the 'Holy Grail'-
a Christ reference, yet not believing there is a God.
** post edited. Kav, I dont mind you posting the occasional link provided you arent profiting from it (because then it becomes spam) and the article benefits members without being old information. But the video is blatant promotion of your website **
its not can roulette be beaten, its can you make it pay.
it can be beaten if you have an extremely large bankroll and use a negative progression (star?)
If a system passes a million spin test with consistently placed bets then it's beaten as far as I'm concerned! I don't think the Star System can overcome 22 losses in a row, but winkel's system on the double streets looks like it can overcome 79 losses and come out with a profit!
Quote from: Kav on Oct 01, 01:41 PM 2014
** post edited. Kav, I dont mind you posting the occasional link provided you arent profiting from it (because then it becomes spam) and the article benefits members without being old information. But the video is blatant promotion of your website **
It was an informative promotional video that I posted, but I posted it because it was very relevant.
Anyway, my opinion is that:
1) If you are in a roulette forum, you should believe it is possible to win the game, otherwise you are just losing your time
2) I have a problem with the definition of "winning at roulette". People have unrealistic expectations and cannot accept the concept of RISK. Any business for example has risk and no guaranties of profit. Yet, this is no reason not to start a business. You must accept that you can not beat uncertainty, you can not beat the house advantage, yet it IS possible to win at roulette. By
taking f@king
RISKS!
I have about 10 systems that can win at Roulette. None of them can 'beat' Roulette. With a limitless bank, limitless table restraints and limitless time, possibly.
All comes down to money management. If you are happy with £1 per day profit it is possible, but still not guaranteed. If you want £100 per day - then good luck.
Human nature and greed will destroy you. Find a good system and try it once a month with, say £20 and see how things go.
It's gambling, pure and simple. Just depends if you can say enough is enough. Treat it as pure fun but never try to recoup your losses.
Quote from: falkor on Oct 01, 05:51 PM 2014
If a system passes a million spin test with consistently placed bets then it's beaten as far as I'm concerned! I don't think the Star System can overcome 22 losses in a row, but winkel's system on the double streets looks like it can overcome 79 losses and come out with a profit!
winkels system? cant find it
Winkel has two major systems RichBailey86
"Win as much as You Want"
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3928.0)
and Winkel's "G.U.T" System (Great Universal Theory)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2681.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2681.0)
thanks proof reader. which one do u believe falkor was referring to when he said using winkels system on double streets in ubeatable?
I don't think Falkor was looking for a Grail, just
wondering if a winning system could exist in Roulette.
Me personally I like the Star System with a few tweaks.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 01, 09:24 PM 2014
I don't think Falkor was looking for a Grail, just
wondering if a winning system could exist in Roulette.
Me personally I like the Star System with a few tweaks.
funny you say that
ive mentioned the star several times on this board the past 2 nights
i have the pdf. i dont fully understand it but from reviews it looks as if it is a true winner but you need a humongous bankroll
GLC, apologies if I offended you - that wasn't my intention. The "mathematical proof" is based around 60 parallels occurring in sequence between the gospels and Josephus - often low frequency verbatim phrases - akin to DNA evidence; you are welcome to PM me (or vice-versa) should you wish to discuss this in private - I like to consider man-made explanations before I consider any divine explanations - though I am afraid it may cause you to resent me; I've enjoyed our conversations about roulette up until now based on your sound knowledge and experience, so wouldn't want to jeopardize that through any quarrels over controversial subjects like religion. Evidently your posts are some of the most valuable on this forum - your contributions here, outstanding - whereas I'm still a newbie. Unfortunately, I have a bad habit of asserting bold claims, so I hope you guys can learn to tolerate me in the long run--Cheers!
No apologies necessary, Falkor. I'm the one who needs to apologize. It was wrong of me to take offense. Forgive me. After all you weren't attacking me personally. You were just attacking what I believe. Those 60 parallels between the gospels and Josephus are counterbalanced by over 360 prophecies about the coming Messiah. Jesus fulfilled all of them and there were 109 that only Jesus could fulfill. But math isn't the only issue here. Because I do believe, you should understand why I react so strongly. I know that you're not worried about it because you don't believe. Maybe some day that will change. While there's breath, there's hope.
Blessings to you,
George
Thanks George for bringing this to a calm conclusion.
Now.....roulette!
to save a lot of reading,can someone give a brief discription of the star system, thanks NTP
Star System
Choose an even chance Red/Black, Odd/Even, High/Low
Note the dominant of the last five outcomes.
Bet with a 1,2,3,5,8 (stop) progression.
Repeat steps for each new outcome.
Aim for two wins per session.
Here's another way to play the star system.
To begin with, we must win 2 times in a row to reach a new high bank and reset.
It starts with a pre-progression mode. In the pre-progression mode we bet parlay bets. I use 1-1-1-2. That means if we win on any bet, we let-it-ride. A 2nd win in a row puts us ahead and we reset.
If we lose all 3 pre-progression bets, we move to 5-10-15-25-40. These are the main bets and represent Proofs 1-2-3-5-8 series only it's times 5.
These are repeat bets. Let's say we're betting the 5 unit level. We must win betting 5 units 2 times in a row. This will put us up +5 units. It's different from the pre-progression bets because we don't let-it-ride, we repeat the same size bet. We still must win 2 times in a row but the advantage is that if we win the 1st 5 unit bet and lose the 2nd 5 unit bet, we haven't lost anything yet, so we repeat the 1st 5 unit bet. We don't move to the 10 unit bet unless we lose the 1st 5 unit bet.
The same thing for the 10-15-25-40 bets. They are all played the same way. If we win 2 times in a row, it will put us ahead 5 units overall and we can reset for another attack.
The author suggests having recovery banks in case you lose all 9 bets of the basic attack. He has a special formula, but basically you can figure doubling the size of your units for each recovery stage.
Base bet sizes are: 1-1-1-2 | 5-10-15-25-40
Recovery 1 bet sizes are: 2-2-2-4 | 10-20-30-50-80
Recovery 2 bet sizes are: 4-4-4-8 | 20-40-60-100-160
That represents a 100 unit loss for the base bets, a 200 unit loss for recovery 1, and a 400 unit loss for recovery 2 for a whopping 700 unit loss if you lose all 3 attacks. That's 700 units less any won units prior to losing a 9 bet sequence.
If you want, you can add a small measure of safety by 1 more step in the pre-progression stage. By using 1-1-1-2-2, you still reach a new high bank on a parlay win, but you only win 3 units when you win a double win in the repeat stage. That extra shot to stay in the game can make a big difference sometimes. Other times not so much.
The Star system was originally designed to be played on blackjack because it takes advantage of the double down bets and the 1.5 payout for a blackjack, but it can be played on any even chance bet.
Thanks glc for the breakdown. I always thought u go up a level hoping for 2 wins in a row. I did not know if u win at 5 bet 5 again and if win reset. I always thought if win at 5 then bet 10 then if win 10 reset. I was wrong!
It really seems star is some sort of grail. You have so many chances to win 2 in a row
That's a great overview from GLC - very well explained! I wonder if waiting around for 3-4 ECs to come in a row before commencing might also help with the Star System? (others have developed their own tracking/trigger methods based around the 3 ECs). I would be scared to use any system on EC unless I was covered for at least 22 losses in a row.
I want to compare winkel's system on Dozens: it should be the Fibonacci sequence * 2 each spin (instead of * 5 for a Double Street).
16 * 5 = 80 bets (DS sleeps for 79 bets max)
16 * 2 = 32 (Dozens sleep for ? bets max)
winkel would only be covered for 16 bets if he was using EC, so it seems better made for DS or possibly Dozens.
Both these systems could potentially benefit from a few "add-ons"!
I have a much better understanding of star now but still have some confusion
If you go through set 1 without winning 2 in a row then you go to recovery 1. Once at recovery 1 when do you go back to the beginning (level 1) because 2 wins in a row in recover 1 wont recover what was lost in stage 1
I understand the pre progression bets are parlayed and the main progression bets are re bets and not parlays
But if you go through 9 bets without 2 in a row and you goto recovery 1, 2 wins back to back at recovery 1 doesn't compensate for previous losses
This requires good bet selection. I suspect playing this with 3 random double streets would be a good idea and who knows, you may never even have to goto recovery 1
As a matter of fact if I was to try this id bet 3 double streets and use the star progression. Id choose 1 double street in middle of each dozen since that is equivalent to an EC bet. To go 9 times with no back to back win would be unlikely
How to play 3 separate double streets as an EC using star? Simple. $15 base unit. $5 on each double street
QuoteI want to compare winkel's system on Dozens: it should be the Fibonacci sequence * 2 each spin (instead of * 5 for a Double Street).
16 * 5 = 80 bets (DS sleeps for 79 bets max)
16 * 2 = 32 (Dozens sleep for ? bets max)
winkel would only be covered for 16 bets if he was using EC, so it seems better made for DS or possibly Dozens.
= 35So the system clearly works better on the Double Streets compared to Dozens.
Next test: High/Low vs. 3 Double Streets
Never play the way Mr Casino's wants u to play, otherwise you will always be the looser;
Playing 3 DS is a much better way to bet 18 nos compared to traditional ec bets,
and it is also much cheaper ....
Check out the Wheel, the answer is sitting right there.
Forget R/B; H/L; O/E.....lol lol
That's what I mean chris. Star system on 3 double streets I think its the best idea!!
Yes; Drawback with Star Progression is that we need two wins in a row to profit.
Otherwise soft progression for ec gets the job done without needing 2 wins in a row
to be in profit.
How are you guys calculating that 3 double streets are better than ECs? I'm running a test now so should have an answer in the next 15 minutes.
Test the 3 DS that r in the middle of each dozen
There are tricks of the trade my friend to get a hit within 5 spins without any ifs, when or buts.....;
Most of the hits are within 3 spins.
I'm talikng about real Wheel, no rng as this is not real roulette.
No matter which way one slices the mustard the other 19 or 20 numbers can bite you .
Call me crazy but I think betting 1 double street in the middle of each dozen for a total of 3 double streets is better than a standard EC bet
1 chip on 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 chip on 16 17 18 19 20 21
1 chip on 28 29 30 31 32 33
Use any ec progression youd like but the star seems good.
$15 base unit. $5 on each double street to start
It is called unnatural DS, keep on digging u will find it mate.
If you go through set 1 without winning 2 in a row then you go to recovery 1. Once at recovery 1 when do you go back to the beginning (level 1) because 2 wins in a row in recover 1 wont recover what was lost in stage 1
I understand the pre progression bets are parlayed and the main progression bets are re bets and not parlays
But if you go through 9 bets without 2 in a row and you goto recovery 1, 2 wins back to back at recovery 1 doesn't compensate for previous losses
p.s. just went thru 175 past live spins
betting the middle double street in each dozen (18 numbers total) it never went past 4 spins without a hit.......
!!!!!!!!!!!
this is a norm by the way. dont get me wrong you may have 1 instance where it does
but treating the 3 middle DS as an EC bet for the star system I think we have osmething here that we CANNOT OVERLOOK!
If that's the case a standard progression 1,2,4,8,16 would continuously win.
See Falcor, God (Jesus Christ) can use someone like RichBailey86 to prove a point.
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 02, 05:23 PM 2014
If you go through set 1 without winning 2 in a row then you go to recovery 1. Once at recovery 1 when do you go back to the beginning (level 1) because 2 wins in a row in recover 1 wont recover what was lost in stage 1
I understand the pre progression bets are parlayed and the main progression bets are re bets and not parlays
But if you go through 9 bets without 2 in a row and you goto recovery 1, 2 wins back to back at recovery 1 doesn't compensate for previous losses
Rich, When we lose an attack at the base level and move to the recovery 1 level, we play the recovery 1 level until we recover all lost units from the base level. This will take a minimum of 20 wins.
Yes, it's dangerous because if you lose the base bets and the recovery 1 bets, you're down about 300 units. The philosophy behind recovery 1 is that it's very rare to lose two sets back to back without recovering. And to lose 3 whole sets without recovering is really rare. It can happen, so you should have 700 units at least to play the Star system.
I'm going to try to attach the original Star system to my next post because there's a lot info and options the author presents that haven't been included here.
here GLC
attached
Rich, thanks. Here's some more info on the system.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6106.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6106.0)
Roulette is a game of various types of events.
U can't beat the beast betting all time.
Watch for events, produced by the dealer, think out the box and make in your favor.
And forget RNG roulette. Is a waste of time
Perhaps roulette is not as random as it seems !!!
Totally agree, least u bet more u wait......
Need to look under the right rocks to find the pearls....
Yes roulette definitely can be beaten, i have a system that does so..