This deserves a new thread
In another thread we are discussing the star system or conservative EC money management progressions
I believe on 3 double streets we may really have something
I quickly went through 175 spins (live not RNG) and it never went past 4 misses when betting 1 chip on the middle double street of each dozen
Double streets bet: 4 5 6 7 8 9 -----16 17 18 19 20 21 ---------28 29 30 31 32 33
total of 18 numbers so it is equivalent to a EC bet
discuss this...test this... it is worth it
a stop loss martingale of 1 2 4 8 16 may even be safe however a much milder progression can be used. star can be used or any other fancy system
double dozens can get scary if the single dozen you aren't betting on is on a streak........so if you have 1 DS in each dozen bet, then your chances are higher IMO
Here you go, has 30 pages to discuss on this topic:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9638.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9638.0)
thanks
this is something good here
There are several ways 3 DS can be played with much better results
than traditional ec's.
Here is another interesting one as well. link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0)
martingale is never safe but lets say you wait for 3 misses then start
i think the money will come innnnnn
1,2,3,5,8 is a very good alternative.
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 02, 06:17 PM 2014
1,2,3,5,8 is a very good alternative.
with a reset on a win ;)
yep, just rinse, wash, repeat.
This is very exciting guys. Roulette isn't such a giant now :d
Very exciting. Looking at more live spins from past it performed well with negative progressions.
With this EC bet you will never have to worry about a streak that wipes you out
Betting 1 center double street in each doz you will never have a losing streak like the other ECs.
Exactly; it beats R/B H/L O/E anyday.......lol
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 02, 06:48 PM 2014
Betting 1 center double street in each doz you will never have a losing streak like the other ECs.
But will you have one you cannot beat ?
O0
This is be gigantic news for all of us
An EC bet with no fear of a streak of 15 or 20 against it lol
It just wont happen
Now lets come together and think of progressions
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 02, 07:02 PM 2014
Now lets come together and think of progressions
Progressions are dangerous, even the mild increase ones. As it's only one EC why not try to flat bet it ?
That will mean risking less of your bankroll :thumbsup:
O0
With such high quality bet selection progression is not an issue.....
Been playing 3 DS as ec for years and never got into any troubles
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 02, 07:29 PM 2014
With such high quality bet selection progression is not an issue.....
Been playing 3 DS as ec for years and never got into any troubles
So why are you here Chris ?
Apart from dropping breadcrumbs I cannot see any other reason ?
Are you betting the same 3DS as stated here ? Or another combo ?
O0
Im unsure on the bet selection
My tests were keeping the bets on the middle double street in each dozen. Please share
The difference will be on a single zero wheel that you don't get half your stake back every 37 spins.
Now you may think that's nothing. However I ran some tests over at testmystrategy and just 10,000 (sometimes less) will wipe out a 1000 unit bankroll playing the three middle double streets.
Playing Red or Black or any other e.c and you are still in the game losing on average 40% of your 1000 unit bankroll over 10,000 spins.
Max wins on an e.c = 14.
Max loss on an e.c = 14.
The same for the three middle double streets.
Max win = 14.
Max loss = 14.
I ran 10,000 spin tests x 10.
These stats would suggest that it really makes no difference playing the three middle double streets as opposed to a colour or any other e.c. The bad news is you will be worse off because of not getting half your stake back every 37 spins.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
The 0 sucks. ;)
Sorry, I should have added all my results were flat betting.
ugly bob with a safe EC such as this id add a negative progression like a stretched fibo
-Drako
3 DS can be played in different combos.
I have been playing them with my own tweaks, my own trigger for years
with great success.
Have a read of this thread if you have time Rich.
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=611&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=611&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board)
It's titled.. ''The Sequel to Elongated Star, the mildest progression you will ever need''
Maybe give you a few ideas of your own.
thanks bob i will read now, appreciate that
i just looked at 185 spins live from past.....within a 9 spin period through the 185 spins, a number from the 3 double streets i posted about hit back to back 2 in a row at least once. therefore a Fibonacci or star would have won in that series. with $10 base units (really $30 because its 10 on each DS) I would have profited a whopping $600 on the low end. imagine, within 9 spins you are just about guaranteed 2 wins in a row in 99% of cases. therefore a progression is much safer than on any other EC
i cant stress how important a 3 double street system can be when used as an EC bet because the losses just wont happen like on high/low red/black odd/even
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 02, 07:53 PM 2014
-Drako
3 DS can be played in different combos.
I have been playing them with my own tweaks, my own trigger for years
with great success.
hehehehehehehe more breadcrumbs......
Thanks for getting back to me & congrats
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Oct 02, 08:08 PM 2014
hehehehehehehe more breadcrumbs......
Thanks for getting back to me & congrats
O0
i dont know if he will share his bet selection method but 3 double streets (for me the center ones) plus a good money management plan seems good enough
Glc might have a safe progression for this ;)
You could wait for one of the three
middle Lines to miss once before betting as a trigger.
Yea proofreader
2 weeks ago I experimented on the 3 DS
Id wait for 2 losses then start flat betting
My local casino has the organic roulette. A real table and ball but no dealer and bets on a screen. Im hearing it can have magnets and air bursts.....so I dont know if I want to try this system there with higher bankroll
My local casino has the organic roulette. A real table and ball but no dealer and bets on a screen. Im hearing it can have magnets and air bursts.....so I dont know if I want to try this system there with higher bankroll
Brick and Mortar casinos are the best. Dublinbet I understand is the
"Gold Standard" for online Live Wheels. Celtic Casino I've found has a reliable American Wheel.
(both have actual dealers)
As for bankrolls you can always start with 0.10/Line. A bankroll of $30 should cover it.
Im in the united states. Only live dealer online casino I have access to at this time is Mainstreet group casinos such as sun palace.
My local B&M casino has the mechanical roulette. Which like I said is a real wheel inside a glass bubble
Closest real vegas style casino to me is 2 hours away in Pennsylvania
I hope one day dublinbet allows united states players
Check out Five Dimes Casino Live Dealers fast payouts. I got my money in four days.
Minimum bets are $1/Line however.
Is 5 dimes legit and reputable?
Yes, no fee for payouts once a month.
Never had a problem with them.
Interesting. Did not know they were U.S. friendly and had live dealer
Maybe ill deposit 100 and test the 3 DS system with $1 bets
Before you deposit *test the same wheels* for free at Celtic Casino (they allow American Players to play with fun money). **(Same as Five Dimes)
Fun money on live dealer wheel?
Yes, fun money on Live Wheels. That's where I test my systems.
*Save your bankroll until you are absolutely ready* (everything perfect with the system)
Then go to Five Dimes for real money play.
I cant believe its been this long for me to find out u can play real wheel fun money.
This 3 DS play deserves everyones attention because as EC bets go It is the best! If any bet selection or progression would work it would be on 3 DS
Ugly bob said zero is a killer so heres my last thought for the night
Since 3 DS as an EC bet is split into 3 lets have a base unit easily divided by 3
Base unit is $15 since divided by 3 is $5
Thats $5 on each double street. On any win you win $15 or 1 unit
So let's tackle the zero.
Add a bet to zero as well
Maybe $1 on zero and $5 on each of the 3 DS
Or $5 on zero and $5 on each of the 3 DS.
You would still profit if the double streets hit
Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ Celtic
Casino European Wheel-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 9:07pm CDT USA
...31 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 24(x)-15
-------------------------Progression 2x-----------------------------
2.) 7(win)+30
----------------------------------------------------------------------
+15
==============================
...7 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 12(x)-15
-------------------------Progression 2x----------------------------
2.) 24(x)-30
-------------------------Progression 3x----------------------------
3.) 33(win)+45
------------------------------------------------------------------
break even
Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ Celtic
Casino European Wheel-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 9:43pm CDT USA
...22 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 5(win)+15
...5 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 28(win)+15
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
+30
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Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ Dublinbet
European Wheel #1-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 9:53pm CDT USA
...5 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 5(win)+15
----------------------------------------------------------------
...5 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 2(x)-15
--------------------Progression 2x-----------------
2.) 11(x)-30
--------------------Progression 3x-----------------
3.) 7(win)+45
---------------------------------------------------------
break even
Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ Dublinbet
European Wheel #2-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 10:10pm CDT USA
...33 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 7(win)+15
----------------------------------------------------------------
...7 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 34(x)-15
---------------------Progression 2x---------------------
2.) 27(x)-30
---------------------Progression 3x---------------------
3.) 31(win)+45
-------------------------------------------------------
break even
Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ Celtic
Casino American Wheel-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 10:24pm CDT USA
...35 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 35(x)-15
----------------Progression 2x------------------------
2.) 18(win)+30
----------------------------------------------------------------
+15
==============================
...18 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 18(win)+15
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Test: RichBailey86's Three-Double Streets System @ BetVoyager
RNG European Wheel-Thursday, October 2,2014 @ 10:41pm CDT USA
...7 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 20(win)+15
--------------------------------------------------------------------
...20 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33: 1.) 21(win)+15
---------------------------------------------------------------------
+30
- Rich
No need to bet on zero as it will reduce your ROI. Just ignore it, accept the
occasional loss and move on.
If u read thoroughly the thread of JL on phase 3 and the thread on MMIP about 95% of the
answers are in it.
- Uglybob
If u test it as u did any system will fail. As I said before I have been playing 3
double street for years with excellent results.
I have never played more than 100 spins in a row. I'm not greedy I only try
to make 10%per day, then move on.
Do same test with 100 spins max u will get an entirely different picture.
The longer u stay at the table, the more likely u will loose.
I'm getting some interesting results here after 1,000,000 casino spins:
High vs. Low = 17/16 max in a row
3 double streets (1,middle,6) = 19/21 max in a row
I am now running a test for the 3 middle double streets as recommended in this topic!
A few years ago I did some testing playing 3 DS. I played them with an individual progression using :
Bet......win
amt
1.........05
1.........04
1.........03
2.........07
2.........05
3.........08
4.........10
5.........11
6.........11
7.........10
9.........13
11........14
14........18
18........24
22........26
27........29
31........22
37........21
45........24
55........29
67........34
82........42
97........35
115.......28
136.......18
164.......22
200.......38
240.......38
My twist was lowering the bets by deviding the them by 3 ............. So if I had to play 18, 2 and 1 units on the DS......... I played 3X7 units. This way you are able to controle the progression.
When on a new high restart the systen and start with 3X1 unit again.
During a session you can also lower the bets if a smaller profit is needed to reach a new high.
Proofreader on your testing what progression were you using
Try.up 1 chip on a loss down 1 chip on a win $5 on each DS for a total bet of 15 to start
Or since the hits come much quicker then other EC try fibonacci or dare I say martingale
A conservative fibo may be perfect
And to think of it the hollandish progression may be really good for this!
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 03, 06:40 AM 2014
Proofreader on your testing what progression were you using
Try.up 1 chip on a loss down 1 chip on a win $5 on each DS for a total bet of 15 to start
Or since the hits come much quicker then other EC try fibonacci or dare I say martingale
A conservative fibo may be perfect
And to think of it the hollandish progression may be really good for this!
I was using 1,2,3,5,8 (stop) progression. (from the
Star System)
*Goal was two wins per session.
Honestly I think you only need a 1,2,4 (stop) progression, then start over at one unit.
You could even have one virtual loss as the trigger.
Good job
Yes I would wait for one virtual loss before beginning
Tonight I will play around with this with hollandish progression
The hit rate is good enough for a positive progression.
+1 unit every two consecutive wins. Less two units on a loss.
Quote from: falkor on Oct 03, 05:23 AM 2014
I'm getting some interesting results here after 1,000,000 casino spins:
High vs. Low = 17/16 max in a row
3 double streets (1,middle,6) = 19/21 max in a row
I am now running a test for the 3 middle double streets as recommended in this topic!
Nah, I'm getting 19/17 on those 3 middle double streets, so there's no real fluctuation between traditional ECs and the 3 middle DSs.
Just finished running 50 x 100 real spin sessions from Spielbank Wiesbaden T2 2003, using flat betting. I picked 100 spins at random from the 68000+ spins I had in the file. End result was -116, but there were many 0 or + results, enough to think a mild +1-1 progression might work with this.
I limited each session to 100 spins. Many of the -ve results after 100 spins had a +ve positions during the sessions, so stopping on a +ve would be worth thinking about.
here is an example of a flat and +1-1 progression on the same 100 spins:
Flat betting:
(link:s://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q9QcBzDGn-M/VC6eQXeIuAI/AAAAAAAAAB0/K9givJXiAqo/s2048/2014-10-03%25252021_01_43-Modify%252520message.png)
Progression:
(link:s://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LkFPutYASoI/VC6df120IWI/AAAAAAAAABo/Bdww8GF0Scs/s2048/2014-10-03%25252020_56_37-01%252520Live%252520Spins%252520-%252520Wiesbaden%252520-%2525202010%252520-%252520Clover.png)
Admittedly both were +ve results.
Here is one that had a -ve result flat betting:
(link:s://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5AdaLMLEuU8/VC6fbtJg8YI/AAAAAAAAACA/Ni1vw71zr70/s2048/2014-10-03%25252021_06_42-Bankroll%252520Balance%252520Trend.png)
and then the progression result for the same 100 spins:
(link:s://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kQT5VAc8GH8/VC6isNYeUEI/AAAAAAAAACM/AMDtn3pn_6g/s2048/2014-10-03%25252021_20_35-Bankroll%252520Balance%252520Trend.png)
Results are attached in spreadsheet.
Thanks muggins
This is what im saying
The hit rate is there so a progression is safe, unlike the other ECs
Just from the testing I have done so far, not extensive, I think flat betting with a small win target and a good stop loss would be the best way. Almost every session I tested had a +ve high at one time during the 100 spins, mostly within the first 20-50 spins.
Muggins,
Hollandish progression on 3 middle double streets OR star progression
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 02, 09:38 PM 2014
Yes, fun money on Live Wheels. That's where I test my systems.
*Save your bankroll until you are absolutely ready* (everything perfect with the system)
Then go to Five Dimes for real money play.
proof do you have to open an account to play free mode
Proof do you have to open an account to play free mode-Nottophammer
Yes, a 'fun-money' account.
It involves a username and password on both Dublinbet and Celtic Casino.
(As an American resident I cannot play Real money at either.)
im messing around with a new double street selection
instead of the middle in each dozen im checking past spin data for the 1st double street in dozen one, middle double street in dozen 2, and last double street in dozen 3
1 2 3 4 5 6------16 17 18 19 20 21--------31 32 33 34 35 36
the hit rate is very good as well
any way you cut it i think 1 DS from each dozen is way better than any EC bet
i think a 3 time virtual loss then a martingale is safe LOL
What is a mild progression thats similar to moves 1 to the right on a loss and 2 to the left on a win?
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5?
Martingale is in no way safe for any bet selection. I would hope there would be enough sense in people by now that they would have learned. There will always eventually be a row of numbers that absolutely can happen and WILL happen if you play mechanically in this way. Its basically not smart when you get down to it and I'm in favor of small progressions. If you want something successful in this method just flat bet for 7 spins. If up continue a flat bet, if down double your bet until you are in profit or still down after 7 more spins. Use a fibo this way. 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 and stop but in sets of 7 spins. It is highly unlikely that you will not win 4 out of 7 at least in 5 sets of 7 spins and your drawdown will be very minimal.
And there is nothing special about the hit rate of 3 DS as compared to an even chance. Ask yourself...why would there be?? Your essentially saying that the middle DS in roulette hit more often than the other numbers. Yet we all know that all numbers come out roughly the same right?? I would certainly hope you have that much knowledge or you have a lot to learn.
There is a difference though. It is absolutely true that you won't have as many negative streaks with this bet selection as you do an even chance. It is still 50/50 and will still come out that way but you won't have a lot of misses of 8 and 10 spins per 100 spins like you do an EC. So while it does minimize the losing streaks a bit it doesn't guarantee anything for martingale and the hit rate is still the same. Its like saying 4-9, 16-21, and 28-33 hit more than the other 18 numbers which I'm sorry is ridiculous and if you just pull up the 4000 dublin bet spins on here you'll see the strike rate is amazingly....about 49%.
Im not saying it hits more. Im saying the hit rate is much greater then other EC bets. Go back and read the entire thread. The martingale was a joke as well
And for your information I already thought of using the gr8 progression for this
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3 3
There are several progressions that would be sustained on these 3 double streets since the streak against rate is minimal
Most ive seen is 9
My virtual loss is 2 then begin
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 03, 06:02 PM 2014
Im not saying it hits more. Im saying the hit rate is much greater then other EC bets. Go back and read the entire thread. The martingale was a joke as well
Here are some statistics for you Rich, this is on a random 200,000 spin sample of live spins from Wiesbaden.
(link:s://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8Tp3AtWVhbA/VC8f7D8G2-I/AAAAAAAAACk/t5wz6cVp5d0/s2048/2014-10-04%25252006_14_57-Even%252520Money%252520%252520Statistics.png)
(link:s://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/R8frAwUn0Py3a7m8wxSQ0lkxG_nOAms9Gs8w0Vy_mP8)
(link:s://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bM3oX9hfaaQ/VC8gH9RbWCI/AAAAAAAAACs/QnnOGpRqALQ/s2048/2014-10-04%25252006_15_49-Post%252520reply.png)
Hopefully you can see from this sample what the outcome is.
Just adding up the hit rate of the 3 double streets in question it comes to 97050 or 48.52%
Im not arguing the hit rate in that many spins. I understand it turns out to be the same
What makes this 3 DS selection so good is two things
1 - the streaks against it are not as extreme as the outside EC bets
2- with a better hit rate intensity without spins of 10 against it a progression can make this successful
The 3 DS have a mix of high low red blacl odd even.
A 48% hit rate on EC bets is no good because the streaks can kill you
The streaks dont exist with my bet selection
A good money management like a star, or fibo or a 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 sets of 7 can overcome the edge
I believe on the 3 middle DS we can overcome the edge
All "winning" ideas look nice until they bomb and bite you really hard and take your BR. Most gamblers can't control themselves when they hit the bad streak and lose it all.
This, like a lot of systems or methods on this board and other boards looks really solid if used right.
My thoughts would be, short sessions, stop in profit, use a good stop loss and be prepared for the inevitable losses that will come and DO NOT chase them.
wait 2 virtual losses then bet, win or lose wait for 2 virtual losses again
another way to do it
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 03, 07:15 PM 2014
wait 2 virtual losses then bet, win or lose wait for 2 virtual losses again
another way to do it
wait for two virtual losses will mean you will bet less & lose out on ALL the wins on the 1st/2nd spin ;)
That changes things a lot.....
O0
just did a quick test at celtic casino flat betting
with $5 on each DS
up $50 in 5 minutes lol
i am going to real casino tonight for live testing
when up $30 i will switch tables
Played live tonight. Turned 100 into 300 fkat betting 5 dollar chips on the 3 DS. Greed kicked in I wanted more
So I bet more and more bigger chips. Lost it all
Learned a lesson tonight.
Dont deviate or let emotions take control
Had I kept doing what I was doing id be way up
Learned a lesson tonight.
Rich that lesson you learnt, keep it on board all the time,as been said before discipline is a must. Always keep to the rules,the rules are learnt as you play and you must play by the rules at all times.
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 03, 10:37 PM 2014
Played live tonight. Turned 100 into 300 fkat betting 5 dollar chips on the 3 DS. Greed kicked in I wanted more
So I bet more and more bigger chips. Lost it all
Learned a lesson tonight.
Dont deviate or let emotions take control
Had I kept doing what I was doing id be way up
Thanks for posting this Rich. We all need to be reminded that self control is key. I'll bet everyone reading this has started betting bigger chips either because they were losing or winning and then lost it all, myself included. I walked out thinking, "If I'd just stayed with my game plan, I'd have won instead of losing.
I hope it didn't break the bank, Rich.
I've noticed that if we get ahead by 5 wins, we usually pull out of the hole, so here's my "get ahead by 5 wins" progression for even chances.
If Lose Bet If Win
-1 1 +1
-2 1 +1
-3 1 +1
-4 1 +1
-5 1 +1
-7 2 +1
-9 2 +1
-11 2 +1
-14 3 +1
-17 4 +3
-21 5 +4
-26 6 +4
-30 7 +5
-37 8 +3
-45 10 +5
-55 12 +5
-67 14 +3
-81 17 +4
-98 20 +2
-118 24 +2
-142 29 +3
-171 35 +4
-206 42 +4
-248 50 +2
-298 60 +2
-358 72 +2
-430 86 0
-516
In the beginning all we're doing is betting enough to reach +1. So on the 1st 1, we don't have to win 1 unit 5 times to be up, all we have to do is win once. If we lose our 1st 1 unit bet, we have to win 1 unit 2 times in a row to be up +1 etc... Starting at the 4 unit bet, we must win 4 units 5 times before we lose 1 time to be ahead and every bet after that we must get ahead by 5 bets before we get behind by 1 bet to pull out of the hole.
Looks pretty solid. Don't let looks deceive you. It will win, win, and win some more. But it will also lose. The good thing about it is that you don't always have to keep betting until you get ahead by 5 bets. Let's say we're at -142. That means we're betting 35 units and if we get ahead by 5 bets, we will have recovered all lost units +4. But we can decide if we've won 35 units 3 times for 105 units, -142 +105 = -37 units. If we look at our chart, we see that when we were down 37 units we were betting 8 units. So, we could drop back to the 8 unit level and hope to recover from there. This is a way to keep our bets lower.
Not foolproof, but not bad either.
GLC
Recent posts validate the claim that 60 % of the people who enter a casino are ahead at one time or another but 70% of those give it all bacvk.
Only a minor l adjustment is needed to prevent this to happen.
Thanks for that GLC
My take on this 3 DS system is that it works
Id wait for 1 or 2 virtual losses then id flat bet 7 times in a row
Came ahead 1 to 2 units each time
After an hour i was sitting on an extra 14 units
I said 100 to 300 that easy? So I went with $25 chips but I was anxious and confident and I wanted more so I did not even wait for the virtual loss
I was going to stop when up $100 but then I said ill wait for $200
My greed destroyed me
Next time ill have discipline
In regards to this 3 center DS system theres two pointers I would like to make
1- my time at the table last night it never went beyond 4 misses. Very often it was like this: hit miss hit miss hit miss but occasionally a streak of 2 or 3 against it
2-while betting the 15 dollar unit (5 on each DS) I put $2 on 0/00 which hit twice which in turn covered the units loss on the DS and won me Roughly $20.
My play was 3 middle DS and $2 on zeros the whole time
The 3 losses in a row came when I started 25 dollar units
The 4 losses in a row came when I had a 2 loss wait virtual loss so I only lost 2 out of the 4
This is much more effective then outside EC
Take it and run with it. Go make some money.
Here's a tidbit RichBailey86
Establish a start and stop time for your session.
If you start at 6:20pm (for example) decide
to stop promptly 20 minutes after.
You can also establish a win-target
and stop-loss. +10% win-Target. -15% or -20% stop loss.
Proof I had a 30 minute or $100 profit stop. O hit $200 profit so quick the greed kicked in
I learned a lesson. This system works though!! Had I not deviated
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 04, 10:50 AM 2014
This system works though!!
How many spins & bets have you tested it for richbailey86 ?
O0
looked at 500 past spins and about 2 hours worth in b and m casino and an hour worth on celtic
2 or 3 misses in a row is the usual
Moral of my story don't get c***y and go from 5 dollar chips to 25 dollar chips. Lack of bankroll and greed kills
what killed me was I raised my chip level and I made two bets in the amount of what it took one hour to make
Id wait for 1 to 2 losses then id start a string of 7 bets. Always came out on top
Once the greed kicked in I didnt wait for a loss and I started throwin $75 bets at it and threw it all away
Going back next week when I get paid
My goal will be $100 win per day $500 a week to build up the bankroll
Once again thanks for sharing you experiences.
I've been there and done that, for sure.
It does help newbies to hear how easy it is to make a couple of rash decisions that hurt a little. Ouch is better than losing the house. It's easy to give advice, but to follow it in the heat of battle takes practice.
Be careful though. Good spins can last a lot of trips to the casino. It's easy to let your guard down and then here comes trouble.
Good luck to you and keep us posted,
GLC
I can't stress enough that on all the past spins and observations i have made this EC bet has a higher hit rate than any other EC bet.
meaning the streaks against it are not as extreme as say high/low etc
a conservative money management plan will succeed as it did for me
by raising my chip size by 5 times the original i bet all my prior winnings in 3 spins which destroyed me
if you can overcome greed, emotion, and see through the lust haze you will succeed
i keep telling myself had i stopped at 300 and not gotten greedy id be $200 richer
i have free 2 nights at atlantic city in december, a free meal, and a $250 table bet that they sent me in the mail, trust I will be there and the pit boss will think what the hell is this guy doing
my fiance kept telling me to stop when i raised to $25 chips she had a scared look. with a bankroll under $300 stick with $5 bets for a total of $15. if you have a thousand then $25 chips should work
do NOT deviate from the plan and dont let greed take over
if you do this system wait for 1 or 2 virtual losses and then either flat bet it or use a soft progression like a hollandish
good day!
by raising my chip size by 5 times the original i bet all my prior winnings in 3 spins which destroyed me
A good rule of thumb is to raise your bet one time when you've made four times your original bankroll.
Example: $100 starting bankroll-$400--one unit bet.
$400-$800--two unit bet.
$800-$1200--three unit bet...
if you can overcome greed, emotion, and see through the lust haze you will succeed
That's why it helps to gamble with at least one friend to help you maintain limits.
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 03, 02:00 AM 2014
Do same test with 100 spins max u will get an entirely different picture.
You are right of course Chris555p.
There is an excellent book written by Philip Koetsch. ''Conquering the casinos''. It was written around 2003. The guy was a computer analyst and he breaks a lot of things down nicely in his book.
In fact there is a whole chapter dedicated to the Martingale and the renowned Las Vegas bookstore say that this particular chapter is probably the best piece written on the subject.
Reading this book would certainly enhance anyone's knowledge on MM.
Just witnessed on Dublinbet live, the middle lines of each dozen missed 15 times!!
Was it with the same dealer or with different dealer....lol??
Try it hit and run guys.
*Example*: Play for a win, change wheels or wait
30 minutes before the next session on the same wheel.
Guys
If u analyse thoroughly the Wheel set up, and play 3 double Streets, for example the ones given by richbailey
+ using a good trigger you will notice that u will win most of the time within 3 spins, and occasionally
in 5 spins. Without any when, ifs, or buts or without any hit and run.
Only thing you need is to use the good trigger and of course a good progression to cover when the win
occurs on attempt 5.
Been playing like this for years with excellent results.
Cheers
Chris
look in notepad, trying something, numbers from smartlive and there are two games where loose for 6 spins on the trott
Good triggers are required for high quality results, not just playing
3 double Streets.
The 3 center DS hit rate is good in my testing
Any further advice on bet selection and money management?
Maybe continuously changing the double streets each spin
Waiting for 1 or 2 misses is key, however there will be times when waiting hurts you because there will be times the 3 center DS hit multiple times in a row. A positive progression may be key for the 3 center DS
anyone have results of how many times the mid d/s loose in a row, seen take 7, twice. take a look in trying something smart live in notepad reply 2 and in reply 4
i did a test on RNG.
- Start BR 150
- aim for + 40 and end session
- started with 5 units on each DS
- if win -1 if lose +1 ( so 5,6,7,8 not 5,10,15,20)
- if above +10 on each DS cover 0
at the end of any session i quickspin 20 virtual spins ( as a break if played live or table change)
+43
+71
+46
+46
+84
- 133
+43
+56
+42
+71
- 118
+46
+66
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if im correct its +363 not bad!
grtzz R
nottophammer
most ive seen live was 4 missed on the mid DS
most hits r within 3 spins
a good trigger is wait for 2 misses in a row then start
this is by far the best EC bet out there
one where we can make a successful progression for
the more i think about it, due to the streak of wins ive seen with this, a positive progression like a guetting may be great for it
for example friday night id wait for 2 virtual losses before i started betting, by doing so i missed a streak of 7 wins on the middle DS
that being said a positive progression with no virtual loss wait may be a good one
Hello guys,
I just ran 20 one hundred spin sessions (2000 spins) and the lowest miss was 4 and the highest miss was 11.
1. 8
2. 7
3. 7
4. 6
5. 7
6. 7
7. 11
8, 4
9. 8
10. 6
11. 8
12. 9
13. 5
14. 4
15. 9
16. 5
17. 5
18. 6
19. 6
20. 8
The average is 6.85
So then I just picked any even chance (red) and ran the same test.
1. 6
2. 4
3. 4
4. 6
5. 7
6. 3
7. 6
8. 5
9. 7
10. 5
11. 4
12. 3
13. 5
14. 8
15. 9
16. 6
17. 6
18. 8
19. 5
20. 6
The average is 5.65
You could run the 'Pitboss' Strategy on the three middle six lines. Whenever you get three losses on your middle six lines, switch over and bet the opposite three six lines until they lose and then go back to your three middle six lines. It just stops any long streak against you killing you off.
Here is one of my really bad result testing sessions using first Rich's 3 Double Streets and then using UB's Pitboss method:
(link:://i.imgur.com/cXrnZyN.png)
(link:://i.imgur.com/JC5GJop.png)
Edit: I forgot to mention these results were flat betting.
Id like to see this 3 center ds method with a negative hollandish progression and a positive guetting progression. Im curious to see those tests
More testing required, but following Pitboss method with 2 spins might have legs with this flat betting. Seems to turn bad sessions into good ones or at least better ones.
Someone should test this:
Negative progression: hollandish
Positive progression: guetting
Guetting may be good as these 3 DS can see streak of 5 or more easily
I tested all sorts of progressions; The progressions which require 2 wins in a row is a big NO NO
for this bet selection.
The best bets progression for this bet selection is negative progression. Example of one given by GLC
(Thanks GLC):
1,2,3,6
2,4,6,12
3,6,9,18
4,8,12,24
etc....
Or anyother negative bet progression u fancy.
Hey you guys
now not wanting to have to look over the 102 replys, do you think Mid d/s are better than backing any 3 d/s, say over 100 spins live wheel.
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 07, 02:33 AM 2014
Example of one given by GLC
(Thanks GLC):
1,2,3,6
2,4,6,12
3,6,9,18
4,8,12,24
etc....
Yet another brilliant GLC progression. :)
This one seems to work well with Rich's middle street idea in my limited testing, more extensive testing is required.
How does this progression work
All I see is a bunch of numbers
Different steps? String 1, string 2?
Thanks
Each level is a different level, I played it at each level until it lost then moved down to the next level.
The way I used it was to stay at each level until a new high was achieved then dropped back to the lowest level.
I only used the 4 levels listed and didnt bother to try to go to level 5 etc.
You need a good starting BR or a stop loss.
Here are two outcomes for the same 100 spins, this set I use often to test flat betting against progressions, the set is a quite a tough set to win with.
(link:://i.imgur.com/Q2i9QN1.png)
(link:://i.imgur.com/6ZZeObq.png)
but how does the progression work?
up 1 on a loss down 1 on a win? if reach the end goto level 2?
in the long run, million of spins this will fail BUT in the short term it is like no other EC
after waiting for 2 virtual losses then betting you can set a win rate and then quit
for example $5 chips on 3 double streets for a total of $15, have a win goal of $60 which is a definite. flat bet until you reach that. strings of 7. wait for two virtual losses then bet 7 times flat, win or lose
once the bankroll is up go from $5 chips to betting $10 per double street then the $60 goal will be $120
I've also been looking at Three Double Streets as one of my customers (from this forum) suggested it as an additional strategy for evens in my program RouletteKeyGold.
As I see it there are 11 double streets 1-6, 4-9,7-12 and so on.
I've started with the six obvious ones 1-6, 7-12, 13-18 etc
I'll try and add the other five next week.
After that there may be similar equivalent bets using neighbours on the wheel. (this job never stops)
I set an alarm for the number of misses of three streets ignoring 1,2 & 3 or 4,5 & 6.
My tests so far show 4 or 5 is the optimum number of misses.
Basically I wait for 3 double streets not to hit for 4 or 5 spins then I get an alert to bet on them.
I've tested it on two RNG tables BetVoyager No-Zero & William Hill RNG and must admit it does look promising.
I tend to avoid progressions as something else always turns up anyway.
In the video below I set the alarm for 5 misses but 4 would have done just as well.
It's not in RouletteKeyGold yet but will be next week (17th Oct 2014 at the latest) as I've got a bit more tinkering to do.
Please see:
youtube.com/watch?v=F_hjNJxl538
For some reason I can't paste the clip in here Can this be fixed please ?
If that is the case it should work on traditional
EC's (Red/Black, Odd/Even, High/Low), even Baccarat.
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Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, October 10,2014 @ 5:58pm CDT USA
...29,25,13 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33 for seven spins.
1.) 34(x)-30 2.) 8(win)+30
3.) 22(x)-30 4.) 33(win)+30
5.) 11(x)-30 6.) 28(win)+30
7.) 12(x)-30
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-30
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Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Friday, October 10,2014 @ 6:07pm CDT USA
...10,3 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33 for seven spins.
1.) 19(win)+30 2.) 16(win)+30
3.) 23(x)-30 4.) 29(win)+30
5.) 32(win)+30 6.) 34(x)-30
7.) 19(win)+30
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+90
---------------Progression 2x--------------------
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Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, October 10,2014 @ 6:14pm CDT USA
...33,35,36 (newest spin-value)
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33 for seven spins.
1.) 10(x)-60 2.) 1(X)-60
3.) 4(win)+60 4.) 10(x)-60
5.) 00(x)-60 6.) 11(x)-60
7.) 34(x)-60
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-300
---------------Progression 1x--------------------
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Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Friday, October 10,2014 @ 6:23pm CDT USA
Bet L4-9, L16-21, L28-33 for seven spins.
1.) 33(win)+30 2.) 9(win)+30
3.) 27(x)-30 4.) 11(x)-30
5.) 18(win)+30 6.) 12(x)-30
7.) 10(x)-30
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-30
can someone confirm that this is the JL phase 3 thread i should be looking at?
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0;imode (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0;imode)
just got finished testing thousands and thousands of spins, just about 100,000 total
the 3 center double streaks never saw a consecutive loss more than 13
spins of 5,000 or less never saw a loss more than 10 consecutively
therefore a virtual loss of 5 spins then begin betting with a negative progression is safe
this IS the BEST EC bet
extended losing streaks seen with high/low, odd/even, red/black DO NOT exist with this 3 double street bet selection
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 22, 07:59 PM 2014
just got finished testing thousands and thousands of spins, just about 100,000 total
the 3 center double streaks never saw a consecutive loss more than 13
spins of 5,000 or less never saw a loss more than 10 consecutively
therefore a virtual loss of 5 spins then begin betting with a negative progression is safe
this IS the BEST EC bet
extended losing streaks seen with high/low, odd/even, red/black DO NOT exist with this 3 double street bet selection
100,000 actual spins or RNG ?
thank you
O0
actual, on test my strategy
did 10 sets of 1,000 spins never a loss more than 10 in a row
did 10 tests of 500 spins, only hit 10 in a row once, but mainly was between 6 and 7 in a row
did tests with 15,000 spins where it hit 13 losses in a row once
did 5,000 spins tests which was 10 losses in a row a few times
SAFER EC bet than the others
take it and run with it
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 22, 08:05 PM 2014
actual, on test my strategy
Okay, how do you know their spins are actual spins ?
thank you
O0
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 22, 08:05 PM 2014
actual, on test my strategy
did 10 sets of 1,000 spins never a loss more than 10 in a row
did 10 tests of 500 spins, only hit 10 in a row once, but mainly was between 6 and 7 in a row
did tests with 15,000 spins where it hit 13 losses in a row once
did 5,000 spins tests which was 10 losses in a row a few times
SAFER EC bet than the others
take it and run with it
all those spins mean absolutely nothing I was at the casino today first time went to 13 .roulette is un beatable .patterns computers vb zilcho it's all luck .
yes Warrior
i think your right, to me the only one thing you will know in a game is on euro wheel all mat numbers will all be hit at least once,on rng played in UK betting shops, usually all hit within 120 spins, smartlive from recordings i've done all hit within 180 spins.
On 26/9/14 smartlive all gone in 119 spins game play time 12.00 onwards,same day 9am till3pm all 37 hit in 103 spins.