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Poll
Question: That Your Bet Selection Isn't Good Enough ????
Option 1: Yes of course it does !!!!
Option 2: No a progression is the ONLY way to way!!!!!
Option 3: What You Talking About Willis ??????
Title: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 10, 07:30 PM 2014
Okay, just a simple poll. I think flat betting is the ONLY way & the best way to test, and play for that matter.....

No doubt people will disagree, so please vote & if you wish, to post a comment on why you picked what you picked.

I think members views on this should be interesting!!!!!

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 10, 07:32 PM 2014
Damn, I blame drinking, option 2 should read :-

No a progression is the ONLY way to PLAY!!!

Oooops

Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: MrJ on Oct 10, 08:30 PM 2014
FLAT betting only !!!

Years ago? I had different views.....trial & error set me straight.

Ken
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Colbster on Oct 10, 10:19 PM 2014
Flat betting is enough to determine the validity of your bet selection.  However (and this is a big however), a good progression can make a solid bet selection worth playing. It can't rescue a stinker though.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: SpinASequence on Oct 11, 03:17 AM 2014
Quote from: ddarko on Oct 10, 07:30 PM 2014
Okay, just a simple poll. I think flat betting is the ONLY way & the best way to test, and play for that matter.....

No doubt people will disagree, so please vote & if you wish, to post a comment on why you picked what you picked.

I think members views on this should be interesting!!!!!

O0


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Flat betting ONLY for me!

Progressions and betting using french sounding names are the quickest way to lose your bankroll!

Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Chris555p on Oct 11, 06:25 AM 2014
GLC high quality ec progression are pearls for me. Study properly his progression
and 99% of problems in making $ are resolved.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 06:47 AM 2014
For me....my bet selection is based on recent marque.
If it needs a neg progression then I chose a bad BS.
My only successes in 5 years have been flat bet.
I do bet more chips if I have more than what I planned to win.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Tamino on Oct 11, 09:55 AM 2014
NEVER , ever a negative  progrssion.  But positive  progressions   in conjunction with the UP & Pull method  are   OK and adviseable.
For  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.


Tamino
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ugly bob on Oct 11, 10:28 AM 2014
Flat betting is not the best way to go about things IMO.

I will start a seperate thread called 'Flat Betting vs Progression' and back up why I believe progressions can perform better.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: nottophammer on Oct 11, 10:35 AM 2014
A combination of the two
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: rouletteKEY on Oct 11, 12:50 PM 2014
I generally bet flat until I get enough history on the wheel and wins and losses to stray from the flat bet.  But I will regularly use moderate negative progressions and sometimes some very heavy positive progressions.  I often use stop-losses and then re-enter with a higher base bet as well if things aren't exactly working into my evil plan.   >:D

But I am not playing for recreation or entertainment...I am playing to win... and although I can come out on top generally flat betting (if that is the path I would choose to follow)...it's not worth the time involved or the capital risked to make it worthwhile on a flat basis.  But that's just me.  Everyone has different reasons for playing and goals or expectations from individual sessions or combined regular play.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Kav on Oct 11, 01:09 PM 2014
Roulette is a game, constructed to give the advantage to the casino.
In order to be able to compete with this we must use every little option we have at our disposal.
Entry and exit points, observation, bet selection and of course money management are options and tools in our quest to win.
It would be stupid not to use each and every one of them to create a valid strategy.

Flat betting only means that you think your bet will come more often than theoretically expected. This is a huge unprovable claim! (not to use another word)
Furthermore if there was a system that wins flat betting, it can easily be turned into a system that wins even more by using the proper progression.

Roulette is a hard game as it is. Use all your options in your fight. You have not the luxury to dismiss the flexibility and adaptability offered by the proper money management.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: iggiv on Oct 11, 03:48 PM 2014
if you have right bet selection you don't really need anything else. But that one is not easy. Theoretically impossible. THEORETICALLY.
But the wheel is a mechanical device, don't forget about it. So if somehow you manage to track behaviour of this mechanical device...who knows.
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:38 AM 2014
Thanks for all the replies  :thumbsup:

Quote from: MrJ on Oct 10, 08:30 PM 2014
FLAT betting only !!!

Years ago? I had different views.....trial & error set me straight.

Ken

I remember those progression methods we tried   ;)

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:39 AM 2014
Quote from: Colbster on Oct 10, 10:19 PM 2014
Flat betting is enough to determine the validity of your bet selection.  However (and this is a big however), a good progression can make a solid bet selection worth playing. It can't rescue a stinker though.

I like the first sentence I lot Colbster  :thumbsup: & the last one is 100% right in my book!!!

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:39 AM 2014
Quote from: SpinASequence on Oct 11, 03:17 AM 2014

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Flat betting ONLY for me!

Progressions and betting using french sounding names are the quickest way to lose your bankroll!

WoW we agree for once SAS  ;)

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:41 AM 2014
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 11, 06:25 AM 2014
GLC high quality ec progression are pearls for me. Study properly his progression
and 99% of problems in making $ are resolved.

Fair enough Chris. Would a better bet selection + flat betting not be better ?

Less BR "exposed" means less blood pressure tablets......

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:42 AM 2014
Quote from: Turner on Oct 11, 06:47 AM 2014
For me....my bet selection is based on recent marque.
If it needs a neg progression then I chose a bad BS.
My only successes in 5 years have been flat bet.
I do bet more chips if I have more than what I planned to win.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:43 AM 2014
Quote from: Tamino on Oct 11, 09:55 AM 2014
NEVER , ever a negative  progrssion.  But positive  progressions   in conjunction with the UP & Pull method  are   OK and adviseable.
For  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.


Tamino

I just cannot use progressions full stop Tamino. All that extra BR on the table is too much for me.

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:44 AM 2014
Quote from: ugly bob on Oct 11, 10:28 AM 2014
Flat betting is not the best way to go about things IMO.

I will start a seperate thread called 'Flat Betting vs Progression' and back up why I believe progressions can perform better.

Thanks for your new thread bob  :thumbsup: I read it with interest !!!!

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:45 AM 2014
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 11, 10:35 AM 2014
A combination of the two

Care to expand on that please nottophammer ?

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:47 AM 2014
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Oct 11, 12:50 PM 2014
I generally bet flat until I get enough history on the wheel and wins and losses to stray from the flat bet.  But I will regularly use moderate negative progressions and sometimes some very heavy positive progressions.  I often use stop-losses and then re-enter with a higher base bet as well if things aren't exactly working into my evil plan.   >:D

But I am not playing for recreation or entertainment...I am playing to win... and although I can come out on top generally flat betting (if that is the path I would choose to follow)...it's not worth the time involved or the capital risked to make it worthwhile on a flat basis.  But that's just me.  Everyone has different reasons for playing and goals or expectations from individual sessions or combined regular play.

"it's not worth the time involved or the capital risked to make it worthwhile on a flat basis"

But if your bet selection hit at a greater rate, would you flat bet then roulette KEY ?

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:52 AM 2014
Quote from: Kav on Oct 11, 01:09 PM 2014
Roulette is a game, constructed to give the advantage to the casino.
In order to be able to compete with this we must use every little option we have at our disposal.
Entry and exit points, observation, bet selection and of course money management are options and tools in our quest to win.
It would be stupid not to use each and every one of them to create a valid strategy.

Flat betting only means that you think your bet will come more often than theoretically expected. This is a huge unprovable claim! (not to use another word)
Furthermore if there was a system that wins flat betting, it can easily be turned into a system that wins even more by using the proper progression.

Roulette is a hard game as it is. Use all your options in your fight. You have not the luxury to dismiss the flexibility and adaptability offered by the proper money management.

"This is a huge unprovable claim! (not to use another word)"

Why is it unprovable Kav ?

Not enough test spins or some other reason ?

O0


Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 10:55 AM 2014
Quote from: iggiv on Oct 11, 03:48 PM 2014
if you have right bet selection you don't really need anything else. But that one is not easy. Theoretically impossible. THEORETICALLY.
But the wheel is a mechanical device, don't forget about it. So if somehow you manage to track behaviour of this mechanical device...who knows.

if you have right bet selection you don't really need anything else

EXACTLY !!!!!

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: MrJ on Oct 12, 12:22 PM 2014
(Back to my progression years)........ Let me ask a question like this, I'll use betting one number JUST AS AN EXAMPLE only. Flat betting, we need a hit within 35 (or 36 spins for a push). What if a person used a progression only to, we'll say, 40 steps.

I'm talking about a small progression, $5 up to 34 spins AND 35-40 at $10 (or even 35-40 at $6)?? Point being, I'm not talking about a progression going to 120 steps and costing 3K. Any thoughts?

Ken
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: ddarko on Oct 12, 12:27 PM 2014
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 12, 12:22 PM 2014
(Back to my progression years)........ Let me ask a question like this, I'll use betting one number JUST AS AN EXAMPLE only. Flat betting, we need a hit within 35 (or 36 spins for a push). What if a person used a progression only to, we'll say, 40 steps.

I'm talking about a small progression, $5 up to 34 spins AND 35-40 at $10 (or even 35-40 at $6)?? Point being, I'm not talking about a progression going to 120 steps and costing 3K. Any thoughts?

Ken

AS it such a small progression, I guess it's something I'd consider....... but prefer to avoid if at all possible  :thumbsup:

O0
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: MrJ on Oct 12, 12:49 PM 2014
At 40 steps, we are going PAST expectation of a hit (37/38 in reality) but the *ACTUAL* progression itself is only 6 steps (not 40). Killing two birds with one stone, sorta speak.

Ken
Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: Tamino on Oct 12, 01:05 PM 2014
POSITIVE progressiojns  are a choice of winners while  negative progressions  are tools for  losers to chase losses.


Tamino

Title: Re: Does Using A Progression Mean......
Post by: muggins on Nov 11, 05:18 AM 2015
Quote from: Colbster on Oct 10, 10:19 PM 2014
Flat betting is enough to determine the validity of your bet selection.  However (and this is a big however), a good progression can make a solid bet selection worth playing. It can't rescue a stinker though.

I accidently voted for number two, but I agree with Colbster here, if it doesn't at least break even 9 times out of 10 flat betting it will almost always lose with a progression.  That is how I think anyway.