John Legend's system could be the most widely read system on this board; check out this topic in case you are unaware of it's reputation:
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I am going to analyse Pattern Breaker to see if - after tracking - there's a pattern to the next 3 spins based on the last pattern and the missing 8th pattern indicating that it's less likely to appear compared to any of the other 7 patterns.
I've got the basic engine running (see attached); before I begin analysis does this seem correct and can you spot any bugs?
Total wins: 274, Total losses: 42, Max wins in a row: 27, Max losses in a row: 3, Tally: 42, 47, 41, 30, 43, 33, 42, 38
(That's from specifically testing missing pattern HHH and then betting against it (LLL) from 320 sets over 100,000 spins)
Total won = 548
Total lost = 588
A 4-step progression would have saved it. HHH came 42 times and lost, but HLL only came 30 times; LHL 33 times.
Is the above comparable to dividing the board into 8 and betting 7/8? I wonder what's the most losses in a row this could go up to when playing all patterns over a 1 million spins?
Next test: HLH
Yep - it's equivalent to this:
Board divided into 8 Pattern Breaker
Progression 1 14 14
Progression 2 112 112
Progression 3 896 896
Progression 4 7168 7168
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This is the result got testing pattern breaker ...
The longest strike i got was 23 in a row and the largest losses 2 in a row.
2014 09 27
WL
WWWWWWWWL
LLW
WWWWWWL
2014 09 26
WWL
LW
LW
2014 09 25
WWL
WWWWWL
WWL
LLW
WWWWWWL
2014 09 24
LW
WL
WWWL
LLW
2014 09 23
LW
LW
WWL
WWWL
2014 09 22
WWL
LW
WL
LLL
LLW
2014 09 21
WL
LLL
WL
WWWL
LW
2014 09 20
WL
LW
WL
WL
2014 09 19
LW
LW
LW
WL
WL
2014 09 18
LLL
LLL
WWWL
WWL
2014 09 17
LLW
WL
WL
(link:://i59.tinypic.com/2lsgmlv.jpg)
I test this using Regression Up & Pull.
So if i won the first bet i continue to bet to catch strikes.
But the test is not correct as ND point out a good method from John Patricks baccarat book.
So you play 122 and it you catch a win with the first two then you continue with regression up and pull.
I also test Wells staking plan ... for example 456 and regression 4321...
(link:://i59.tinypic.com/qrgfbp.jpg)
There is two way playing pattern breaker.
One is to track the 8 patterns and wait until you get one sleeping and bet against it.
Then the odds is 7 to 1.
The other way is to track 8 patterns to repeat.
Once you get one repeat you wait for a new pattern and play, then you have the odds 7 to 1.
You play twice and betting against three patterns to repeat three times in a row.
Might have to try ego's variation, but 140 spins is not really enough to test a system like this that relies on waiting 60 spins.
Here's the next result for HLH:
Total wins: 255, Total losses: 38, Max wins in a row: 24, Max losses in a row: 2, Tally: 47, 37, 38, 42, 30, 36, 30, 33
Total won (without progression): 510
Total lost (without progression): 532
4/8 other patterns would have probably made a profit instead of betting against the missing one.
HLH - based not on the missing pattern - but on the previous pattern to appear:
Total wins: 280, Total losses: 36, Max wins in a row: 45, Max losses in a row: 3, Tally: 32, 47, 36, 36, 36, 38, 43, 48
Total won (without progression): 560
Total lost: (without progression) 504
Repeating that same test but over more spins.
This is the previous test repeated, but after 3,000 sets over the course of 1 million spins:
Total wins: 2624, Total losses: 340, Max wins in a row: 48, Max losses in a row: 3, Tally: 374, 363, 340, 398, 346, 375, 392, 376
Total won: 5248
Total lost: 4760
That seems pretty consistent and there was still no more than 3 losses in a row! :thumbsup:
Back to HHH for the same variation.
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I just show this, because you don't need marty to playing pattern breaker - regression up & pull works fine
(link:://i60.tinypic.com/29w94z6.jpg)
ego, could you please explain in more detail how regression up & pull works regarding pattern breaker? I don't quite understand; could you give an example?
Does your graph show the tracking spins?
This one did better as time progressed, but was losing at the start:
Total wins: 2558, Total losses: 329, Max wins in a row: 50, Max losses in a row: 3, Tally: 329, 353, 365, 340, 377, 369, 376, 378
Total won: 5116
Total lost: 4606
So... based on the last pattern seems the way to go - not based on the missing pattern.
Going back to JL's rules on HHH has also resulted in more profit than loss, but only during the long-term:
Total wins: 1586, Total losses: 212, Max wins in a row: 36, Max losses in a row: 3, Tally: 212, 243, 220, 213, 205, 209, 259, 237
3172
2968
Next I will play all bets based on JL's rules (the missing pattern) and my variation (the last pattern to appear)
Using the original rules, JL's Pattern Breaker seems to fail in the long run. I'm at 800,000 spins, but need to move on to the next test.
Total wins: 14449, Total losses: 2091, Max wins in a row: 55, Max losses in a row: 4, Tally: 2038, 2037, 1950, 2100, 2073, 2097, 2115, 2130
won: 28898
Lost: 29274
Next tests will be:
1) my variation
2) betting on the missing pattern (not against it!)
My variation is already on a profit after 100,000.
My prediction is that most of the profit will come from betting on the missing pattern or betting against the most fluctuated pattern.
But you will need to remove the house edge from the final profits because I don't have the zero factored in this... BV style! :twisted:
Nope the losses caught up and the profits are only very slight, so would fail with zero.
Maximum losses was 5 in a row too.
Onto penultimate test...
so what happens if you stop after a loss and wait for the next "virtual" win to restart?
This test is making the most profit so far even taking into account the house edge up to the 300,000 range, but now in the 400,000 range the house edge is just starting to win over the profits by a tiny percentage.
Back into the clear profits range @ 600,000! :lol:
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Nov 03, 04:34 PM 2014
so what happens if you stop after a loss and wait for the next "virtual" win to restart?
Dunno... I thought you would stop after a win and wait for the next "virtual" loss to restart?
I'll try and code something like that tomorrow.
So close... will turn on the zero tomorrow just to see whether we can claim this as a victory...
START OF TRACKING
999976 Low
999977 Low
999978 Low 0 0 0 new!
999979 High
999980 Low
999981 High 1 0 1 new!
999982 High
999983 Low
999984 High 1 0 1
999985 High
999986 High
999987 Low 1 1 0 new!
999988 High
999989 High
999990 Low 1 1 0
999991 Zero
999992 Low
999993 Low
999994 High 0 0 1 new!
999995 Low
999996 Low
999997 High 0 0 1
999998 High
999999 Low
1000000 Low 1 0 0 new!
Total wins: 20675, Total losses: 2890, Max wins in a row: 48, Max losses in a row: 4, Tally: 2905, 2896, 2824, 3007, 2940, 2960, 3028, 3005
Won = 41350 (house adv 40233.55)
Lost = 40460
Falkor, why are we digging PB up again?. I thought the coffin was nailed down by JL himself.
is this leading to a new angle?....a tweak? a refutation of its demise?
Due have a twist in this tail?
i have no idea WHAT THE FU** falkor is EVER saying
i am waiting for the grail of his to come to light and for someone to break it down for me lol
Quote from: Turner on Nov 03, 05:39 PM 2014
Falkor, why are we digging PB up again?. I thought the coffin was nailed down by JL himself.
is this leading to a new angle?....a tweak? a refutation of its demise?
Due have a twist in this tail?
I wouldn't know... where did he state that? I looked through the pattern breaker thread and saw mostly praise.
Yeah.. the new angle is that you don't bet against the missing pattern, but you bet for the missing pattern instead = tweak to take away some of the house edge.
Ghost just go back to your mid d/s, play nice and simple, wait to miss 3 or 4 and away you go,
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13875.msg119108#msg119108, (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13875.msg119108#msg119108,) have a look at buffalo wizards d/s idea,
Looking at something
thanks nottophamer
i was also looking at vile double street method
and egos 1-18 and 3rd dozen
Be careful outthere.... coz I saw on several occasions 3 same DS miss for
about 12 times in a row on real Wheel......
changing bets to the most 3 recent ;)