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Title: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: ego on Dec 04, 10:52 AM 2014

Hello George.
I think you are expert when it comes to progressions, so i have a question for you.

I have a bet selection for dozen play (one dozen)
Each time you attack you attack three times in a row.
After that you wait for a new trigger and bet three times again.

How can you stretch a progression to accept loses as you move up on the progresseion ladder.
I don't need to win placing every bet.

For example i use this progression.
I reach 12 once during 300 trails.

First level

1 +2
1 +1
1 +0

Secound level

1 -1
2 +0
2 -2

Third level

3 -2
4 -3
6 -3

Forth level

8
10
12

Fifth level

?
?
?

Six level

?
?
?

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Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Kattila on Dec 05, 04:45 AM 2014
Hi Ego,  you may  consider  others progression by others members if you wish.
Mine is a possitive one with  levels  :
111
222
333
444
555
666
777
888

After win I bet next level , after 3 Ls ( my attack after trigger is for
maximum  3 bets) I return one level.  When in plus I reset at first level,  also  I reset sometimes when I recovered some drawdowns ( example I was at +6 , then lost because a bad run , then recovered till  +2  or break  even , Reset ).

Other one is 1/1/2,  2/3/3,  4/4/5,  5/6/6,  7/7/8,  8/9/9 .

Excel  file example how i play.
cheers
Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Dane on Dec 05, 09:57 AM 2014
Hi Kattila, thanks for the progression!
As you can read below, I am no negative progression addict.
A POSITIVE PROGRESSION is another story.
I have just tried your progression in fun mode without an advanced bet selection (simply betting the 3rd dozen).
With a good result.
A weak link, as far as I can see, may be the last one in each line.
LLW
LLW
LLW
LLW
LLW
LLW
LLW
LLW

Two losses followed by one hit: We climb higher  without earning anything.
Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Kattila on Dec 05, 10:05 AM 2014
Example with some Lw rules ( only dozen 3 ).
Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Dane on Dec 05, 10:51 AM 2014
Quote from: Kattila on Dec 05, 10:05 AM 2014
Example with some Lw rules ( only dozen 3 ).

Thanks for your example together with some Lw rules.
I myself am unable to create such fine file attachements.
Many years ago I read about "FIKTIVSPIEL" in German roulette books.
It corresponds to what might be  called "VIRTUAL PLAY" here.
The idea of avoiding longer series of losses in our breaks surely is fascinating!
Then some math guy told me that such intermissions means absolutely nothing.
Just one more case of "Gamblers fallacy", he said.
Wrong or right? Judge for yourself.

It does not change my impression, however, that a series of LLW (in REAL play that is)
makes us climb too high without earning anything.
                                                         
Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Kattila on Dec 05, 12:31 PM 2014
True about the LLW series, but if  not hit many LLW one after  other  does not affect to much,   solutions can be I higher progression( not recommendable ) or after once LLW (or twice LLW   in row) stop and stay virtual and bet again after LLL virtual.
Anyway I do not recommend to bet more than 8 units , just take the lose (if very bad run) at the stage you feel should stop.

And about the *virtual play *  everyone is free to use it or not,
like you said  *judge for yourself*, I use it for years and yes sometimes  helps .
Let s take example that session  in my Excel file when i avoid the long LLL streak (session from hell  which is present  no matter what  bet selection  will ever use ). I did or not avoid a  very bad run ?  of course this time yes, next time  I don t know, but this demonstrate that sometimes virtual play helps
The idea is to try to stay ahead and avoid big drawdowns, or in other words win something  or  lose little.


cheers
Title: Re: @ GLC - Progression for one dozen play
Post by: Dane on Dec 06, 02:39 AM 2014
Thanks for your reply. It is not a coincidence that I was attracted to this subject.
As you might have noticed, I initiated "Dane´s  JAW OF THE THIRDS" a few days ago.
In your version there is up to THREE bets  on any level. As I pointed out LLW would not make us rich.
In the "Jaw" you´ll  find the probability 0.555555555555 connected to just TWO spins.
Maybe (just maybe) two spins on each level could be used. Just a suggestion.