This one's pretty quick and fun to play for all those
fellow DS freaks out there like me.
Label your double streets in rows of 3
Now wait for 3 in a row to be all different then simply bet the opposite 3 DS.
after the win, wait for new trigger which could be straight away.
My initial tests show 2 row losses (6) just don't happen often at all
Not sure on progression yet - something manageable with EC going max 6 times
And then quitting if lose that. Here is a sample
5 2 2
1 5 6 trigger row as 3 different DS. Bet opposite
5 2 1 win on second, DS 2. This row is also a trigger
6 2 2 win on first
2 4 5 trigger
2 6 1 win on second, also trigger
3 5 5 win on first
2 2 6
1 2 5 trigger
3 5 3 win 1st, also trigger
6 4 5 win 1st, also trigger
4 6 2 win 3rd, also trigger
1 1 5 win 1st
1 3 6 trigger
5 3 5 win 1st
5 6 4 trigger
6 6 6 loss
2 4 3 trigger
4 1 2 win on 5th also trigger
3 6 5 win 1st, also trigger
6 6 3 loss
6 4 4
1 1 5
5 3 3
5 6 6
4 3 1 trigger
6 6 1 win 4th
2 6 4 trigger
1 3 3 win 1st
5 3 2 trigger
1 6 2 win 1st, also trigger
2 1 4 win 3rd also trigger
1 5 4 win 2nd
Hope you get the picture, I'll be doing more testing on this for sure. Course you gotta factor in the zero but I'll leave that to your preference
Cheers
BW
Copy and pasted this
1 5 6 trigger row as 3 different DS. Bet opposite
5 2 1 win on second, DS 2. This row is also a trigger
so 1 5 6 show thats 3 unique in a row. Now bet 2 3 4? Lose cause DS 5 hits. Bet 2 3 4 again then win?
That's correct RG
You bet the opposite 3 times, hence why your example won on the second attempt
Thanks
BW
Interesting stuff B.Wizard :thumbsup:
Thxs for the Xmas gift !!!!
O0
Dare i say it. Safe for martingale.
Well I'm not martingale and safe go together but some form of it perhaps- certainly 1,2,4 for the first set as that's where most of the winners come in.
After that, it's about recovering a few units back so you can push on and keep profits
Merry Christmas !
BW
Hi buff, you still playing this? How is it going?
Cheers
Yes, how did it go? Sounds as good as any.
I honestly cannot remember.
Got lost amongst a sea of other ideas I suppose. Having just revisited it today though it remains a tidy method. If you have good MM for even chances then it's a definite keeper! You won't see too many losing 2 rows. Cheers
BW
Hi Buffalowizard,
Just started playing this recently, and wow. Have not come across a double loss yet (there, I`ve said it) I am playing +1/-1 and it is working well. No big progression and I am more than happy with that!. Yes you do not recover all past losses on one spin but because of the very high strike rate with this you are soon back in profit. Have just made over 60 units profit in last session playing for about one hour which is pretty typical and without even breaking into a sweat. This looks to be my all time favourite system. All members should give it a go using whatever progression they favour.
Long may it last.
Cheers (Bleep24) Brian
Maybe this deserves more attention
A sligjt negative progression
Bet 1 unit on each DS until a win or up to 3 times
If lose the 3 bets wait for next trigger then do 2 units on each DS. On a win reset to 1 unit if lose all 3 bets move up to 3 units per DS
Something like that
Buffalo what progression you using?
Hi RouletteGhost,
Yes good thinking. Have not tried that way yet but I cannot see how it will not work. Will give it a try to-night.
Cheers.
Hmmm just did 150 spins....maybe luck but....works really good......keep testing is the answer. For me a good system is start with let's say 100 units and can make another 100 with it. If it wins 3 of 4 sessions. ....bingo
Quote from: denzie on Mar 25, 11:07 AM 2015
Hmmm just did 150 spins....maybe luck but....works really good......keep testing is the answer. For me a good system is start with let's say 100 units and can make another 100 with it. If it wins 3 of 4 sessions. ....bingo
Denzie, that kind of progression do you use?
Thank`s agesta
bleep24 Brian
so you prefer this to life of brian
The most baddest there is ... marty. So for sure the ones above here gonna do just fine. The highest i go was step 5 (16-16-16).
But +1/-1 sounds good . Or 1-2-3-4-5-6 etc...
Still to early to tell what's best. But with a 100unit br it looks very promising without marty of course.
Marty will bust if u lose two rows. Or do u do 1 unit for 3 spins then 2 unit 3 spins then 4 unit 3 spins
I doubled every bet . But marty is bad. I just won 400â,¬ and thought. ...let's play with 100 and see what happens. Well it did good. But for sure marty would kick my ... soon. Perhaps hmmm carsh ....or just the ones above here.
Hey guys,
I haven't played a spin of roulette in over 4 years, don't have the time. I just like tinkering with the odd system here and there. This is solid, only seen 2 rows bust once before. I would advise leaving it at 2 rows only and not to go chasing. If they bust then start again.
No idea of progressions, experiment away, sounds like you're getting similar results to my own tests. However I do mine on random.org and so don't factor in the zero.
Good luck !
BW
Alright. Someone whip out zuma.
Hi guys,
Just done 40 spins on WH live. Only 1 3x loss. Using 111 222 333 went to 222 after 3 loss and it recovered all be it slowly. Would have won 15 units so if you were playing at £5 per unit win £75!! Playing same numbers (was only testing the 2 progressions) +1/-1 would have won 57 units and never broke into a sweat so there you have 2 lots of results. You pays your money and makes your choice.
This looks to be good, very good. Even with 2 x 3 losses (which do not seem to occur very often) this system seems to stand up.
Good luck to everyone. (Who else is going to test it and post results?)
Hi Nottophammer,
Yes I now prefer this to Life of Brian but don`t we all jump on the latest craze and hope that it is the HG usually only to have our hopes dashed, so for now I will be playing this, but if it bombs then it will be back to LoB: I know that LoB works, sometimes better than others, but I have never lost any money with it, but sometimes it is hard going - swings and roundabouts.
Cheers.
testing now
live american wheel
no trigger yet after 21 spins
short session
3 triggers, won all 3 by 3rd bet
used martingale
bleep u went to 2 units per DS if lost 3 1 units in a row, once winning at level 2 reset back to 1?
Well here goes a quick test then
1 1 3
2 5 3
5 4 6 win on 3
4 5 3 win on 3
1 6 5 win on 1
5 4 4 win on 2
2 3 5
4 5 5 win on 1
4 6 3
5 2 1 win on 1
3 4 5 win on 1
4 3 2 win on 3
2 6 6 win on 2
4 5 6
2 1 1 win on 1
1 1 5
3 5 4
3 4 1 win on 3
6 3 5 win on 1
1 3 6 win on 1
5 3 2 win on 1
3 6 1 win on 2
4 1 4 win on 1
3 4 2
5 4 1 win on 1
4 5 4 loss
5 1 1
2 5 1
3 6 6 win on 4
5 3 2
2 3 2 loss
1 1 6
6 5 1 didnt have any more numbers!
Dam good session though!
cheers
BW
Im kinda leaning towards the +1 on loss and -1 on a win type progression with this.
american or european
look
Here is a 96 spin session:
(link:://i.imgur.com/pyHCa8U.jpg)
I used $10 units for the streets and and insurance bet of $1 on zero stop on a win.
When zero hit I continued to bet for 2 more bets.
For a perfectly good session you didn't make enough profit. I don't think that progression is the best to be honest. Look and see how much it would have made you had you used other forms of progression
Hi RouletteGhost,
Yes, re-set to 1 unit after you have played out at 2 units and recovered. Play European wheel: play French roulette wheel if possible to only lose 50% on a zero (I have never played on a no zero wheel so do not know anything about that) Personally I often switch tables or have a short break when a zero appears because after 1 zero in a lot of times another is not far behind and I do not like double zeroes!!
Good luck
(Thanks Buffalowizard for posting this system and your comments) Isn`t it nice to be nice!! :) :) :)
Sure is Bleep! You still testing this?
Hello Nowun,
This is a rolling trigger system. You generally get a new trigger straight after a win so looking at your numbers you were not doing that. Perhaps re-read Buffalowizard`s first posting. I do not know why you are covering zero in this instance. You look to be flat betting at $10 x 3 = $30 If a zero comes out you win $35 but it may have cost you $20/30/40 whatever to cover zero so really you have not made anything. I would accept -$30 on a zero - possibly have a break or switch tables. You can soon make up lost $30. That is my view, other members may look at it differently. (I am playing +1/-1 progression so a zero is not of as much significance to me)
Good luck
Hello Buffalowizard,
I am now confident of playing with real dosh. I have my eye on that 230mph car that the footballer was pictured with this week. I think it only cost about 250K so I`ll pay in cash from my winnings. hahaha!! Will keep you posted with my results from a session I intend to play to-night (BTW how much do you have to win to get barred/restricted from an on-line casino) It`s only my Geordie sense of humour!!
Best regards.
Hell Nowun,
That was a hellish run of numbers especially round about the middle. I have re-worked them using +1/-1. There were 3 x 3 losses and 1 x 6 loss. I just played right through, at several times you could have got out whilst in front. With that run of numbers I would have probably switched tables or took a short break. We all know that numbers repeat but with some dealers there are lots of repeats whilst with other dealers a lot less. With this system we want less repeats. Perhaps look at history to see if current dealer is spinning lots or less repeats.
Also I did not re-set at anytime or re-tracked after a 3 or 6 loss: just played right through. It did get up to betting 12 units max. a couple of times (x3 = 36) so a BR of 250 is probably needed to cover this happening with this progression. On Marty 6x loss = 1 2 4 8 16 32/64 x 3 a lot more (Who said this could probably be played with a Marty?) Anyway, the nitty gritty is (If you do not believe it re-work it yourself) drum roll......... It still came out 66 units in front - yes, 66 units in front on a bit of a hellish run. Seems to demonstrate that this very good. Other progressions may make it even better.(e.g. 111 222 333)
The way I played it was to wait for a trigger then bet until a win or until 3 losses. If the betting row was a trigger I bet the very next row.
In the example I posted I flat bet until win or 3 losses. I thought the result was OK considering only flat betting and only one complete row loss.
Here are the same results using two progressions, first is a recover progression, second is a more aggressive one aiming to win at 20+ units each time plus recover the previous losses on the row.
Each zero progression wins or recovers as well.
(link:://i.imgur.com/qXTrdgl.png)
I have also shown the flat bet result as per my first post. A run from hell could be very costly so a stop loss would be required.
Hello Nowun,
This looks like a very good system to me. As usual the MM is the key issue and we all have our preferred progressions. I suggest that all members try out a progression and post the results so we can get a handle of this. Thanks for your work on this Nowun.
Regards.
Hi again Nowun,
I have just digested your results and they have sunk in (it must be my age) I see that the way you were playing even flat betting resulted in a positive all be it a small one, so it`s onwards and upwards from here. This is` Getting to look a lot like Christmas` - more positive at every turn. I do not think that there will be many hellish runs that often or any worse than the one that you posted, but a stop loss is always something that we can use if felt necessary. Also re-setting and re-tracking but as I recorded in an earlier post, even playing through it came out good. Testing various progressions with this I feel is the key so more testers needed: it is in everyone`s best interest to get this nailed as I have never felt as positive before about any system as this.(I think!!)mind I have had my hopes dashed more than a few times so fingers and toes crossed. I will be playing real money to-night so will post my results later etc.
Best of luck.
could you resume the actual tweak and progression so that more people can test it?
thx
Assuming roulette evolution airball isnt rigged it should work there to
Rfmaxx start with +1/-1 ....now at spin 216 with this progression. It just to easy. For sure it have to lose but......maybe 1 of 10 or much more sessions. Keep testing. .......
Hi everyone,
As I`ve said before, we cannot expect to win every session but if we can win say 8/10 then that is very good. This system seems to offer that prospect. Earlier I suggested that members test this using their personal preferred progression and ideas for re-setting and re-tracking. To-night I`m going to use 111 222 333 etc. with no breaks of play, will post results later.
Cheers.
Bleep where do u play. American? European? Airball?
Hi RouletteGhost,
If you mean which casinos then either Wm. Hill or Skyvegas (I only play on-line) Only European. I have read that airball is genuine unlike RNG though I have hardly ever played airball as it is no faster than real dealer.
Guys,
A divisor, or, just a good old labby might work quite well with this....
Jim
Hi JimmieB,
If you read my earlier post you will read that a 6x loss occured. Labby starting with 1 unit - 1 2 4 8 16 32 then bet 64 x 3 if you like and have the nerve and table limit. 6x losses might not be too often but do happen. Me thinks that you may want to have a re-think.
Best of luck brian tonight.
When you say 111 222 333,
do you reset on any win? So you only profit on the first winners, level on 2nd win and -1 on third win etc?
Labby is not Marty .... big difference. But maybe labby works. Best to try 3 betting methods every time with the same nrs of course. But so far they all work. Now just need to test a lot more to know which one is best.
Here's a silly thought!!! The strike rate is almost the same after 3 different D/S to hit one of the same three double streets
235
513
might be a fun system for 2 players---one plays for different the other player plays for one of the same
@ Bleep, yeah big difference between Labby & Marty, if you need some info in it let me know.
@ Tom, good shout, I noticed this earlier when looking at spins, never though of partner betting though :thumbsup:
Jim
Hi JimmieB,
Had a senior moment - meant marty but mixed my arse with my elbow. I knew what I meant. Will be playing 111 222 333 etc. Calculate if you have recovered losses and move back to 111. Think I`ll have a bottle of Newke Brown, don`t know if it will help (with the memory) but it sure tastes good.
U dont need to partner bet. Just if you dont have a trigger bet the same if u have a trigger bet the opposite
;D Enjoy your Newke Broon (as I would say!!), I'm enjoying my Tennents whilst settling in to watch the Brazil v France game....
Jim
Am thinking a good ole Fibo might be good for this too. More food for thought
what is the most losses any of u have seen in a row?
how many total rows before a hit? just 2 right?
I've seen 3 rows a couple of times..personally I would take the loss of 2 rows and stop play anyway
so you can use a progression thats safe for a 2 row loss OR have a 1 row loss start trigger
there has to be a progression that can survive a 3 row loss
Don't want to sound too negative but this system is very similar to our friend JL Phase 3;
and at the end of the day, guest what.....?? Refer to JL link for more info.
Chris,
I think at the end all systems end up the same, think we are all thinking to hard. Maybe we need to focus more on the money management or vb or ds. I must be honest to myself that i just gave up a little hope on the roulette. The thing is every time pops someone up and tells another promissing thing that blows new hope, false hope. I lately just bet 12 to 16 numbers hit and run. Sounds crazy but in the end it works the same as any other system.
R
if a system has a good hit rate by the time it busts u should still be positive
Here's is the link to Phase 3 for other DS nuts out there!
My method is less of a grind in terms of waiting for specific qualifiers but each has their own merits, just like Rewster says.
We each make of a system what we can.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6477.0)
@Rewster - I totally agree with u; I consider that sound money management and discipline
is even more important than the bet selection itself.
@ RG I agree as long as the system doesn't blow in ur face on the very first bet and
progression..... :o
Carsch progression needs 2 wins in a row within 12 spins
Therefore use a 1 row loss as a qualifier then begin the system and it will be solid
Unfortunately the users on here give up too soon on systems and bets that look like they lose. There are some really reliable methods on here. This looks like another one that needs to be persevered with
Correct Nowun. Every system burst soon or late. But that dusnt mean it ain't working. And this one right here.....works just fine. I still use +1/-1 and if i would get to far behind i would go +2/-2 etc...but till now it not got that far.
Hi everyone,
Played live WH last night. 78 spins - 15 no triggers/31wins/32losses so if flat betting you would have lost -3. 1 x 6 chain came out. Playing +l/-1 would have made 90 units. Highest drawdown was just over 100 units. I was playing 111 222 333 Two ways to play this I think - play blindly 111 then 222 then 333 etc. calculating where you are at bank wise and if at a new high re-set. Also only move up after 3 losses at that level and again recalculate where you are all the time bank wise. I have also calculated what if you used 5 steps instead of 3.
These ways all came out winning about the same: about 20 units but it was mainly all down to one good burst of win outcomes so as you can see 3l wins/32 losses = 50/50 (average) will result in a profit. The first 20 spins of the session was 13 losses and 7 wins including that 6x loser. So on this sample +1/-! would have come out winning 90 units (not to be sniffed at) proving yet again that +1/-1 is a pretty powerful progression if you stick with it and will not cause the same palpitations as a Marty!!!
So the +1/-1 made 90units. And the 111 222 333 made 20units?
Bleep,
When you say x6 chain, do you mean that you lost 2 rows of 3? How much did you win last night then?
I tested extensively all sorts of even money bets including playing 3 ds such as the ones
mentioned above. I also tested playing 24 nos such as 2 dozens or 4 ds. It is clear that based on extensive
testing results that playing 24 nos or 4 ds is much more profitable. As long as a soft progression is used
then, it beats playing 3 ds anytime, anyday.....
Carsch progression needs 2 EC bet wins back to back within 12 spins. Not bad
So bleep (Brian) played last night. Part of reply 68 he gives you the answer, These ways all came out winning about the same: about 20 units .
Nowun's reply 30 shows bleep is correct, +27 2nd bet, so should one take 20 or as near to 20 units and start again
Hi Buffalowizard,
Yes, a loss of 3x - retrack then another loss of 3x. With E/C`s (Which this basically is) it does not really matter whether you bet same or different 50/50 will get roughly same result. Yes I believe we should persevere with this, trying various progressions. As I have said earlier, if we win say 8/10 sessions then you`re making money. Various progressions will work sometimes, not others as we all well know. I was playing real money last night playing 111 222 333 etc. Wait for 3 losses at a level (LLWL - now move up to 222 check BR to decide whether to move up again or down. I think that this is just one way of playing this. It could be 1111 2222 3333 or 11111 22222 33333. Each to their own. Each member should try the progression they favour and decide what is best. Playing double dozens is profitable for a while then the inevitable happens, even with a soft progression: I have tried it. I like +1/-! progression: it works for me. BTW I made 21 units last night playing 111 222 333 lost loads on first 20 spins but then recovered. I do not know when or like to quit.
That's unlucky bleep on the first real money play - but illustrates the power of this method that you still came away in profit so good for you.
The majority of 100 spin sessions won't see you losing more than 2 -3 rows. I'm liking the fibo at the moment personally, as most winners come within 2 and make up the small losses elsewhere over the session
BW
Hi Buffalowizard,
I used to like Fibo. but trouble is not one bad run but a series of bad runs close together and in this case progression gets out of hand. I stand by my +1/-1 progression which is good as along as you have a decent sized bank. With the 3 D/S` system that we are talking about a 6x loss would be: starting at 1 - -3 -6 -9 -12 -15 -18 = total down 63 so hold your nerve and you SHOULD recover or stop after 3 losses and wait a few spins, but you could still get hit with another 3 loss Wonder how playing DD with +1/-1 would work out? Anyone tried it?
used foolproof on 60 spins up 27 units
I looked into fool proof once before. Please link
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
That should be the book where you can find it.
Quote from: SamNL on Mar 29, 06:00 PM 2015
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
That should be the book where you can find it.
Progression can be easily found by Google as well. :o
With a solid bet selection fool proof is king
Carefully with fool proof. It might play you for a fool.
Hey all, first post but ive been following the forum for a bit.
In regards to fullproof, thats just a constant +1 every bet win or loss?
Correct. But +1/-1 is bit safer. Or +1/-1 flat really ok
Try. +1/ -2. I always have the idea that the normal +1/-1. Goes crazy to fast.
Quote from: Rewster88 on Mar 30, 07:27 AM 2015
Try. +1/ -2. I always have the idea that the normal +1/-1. Goes crazy to fast.
I agree with you Rewster. +1/-1 goes crazy way too fast if you get the RFH.
My test in RX confirms that suspicion.
Theres 3 variations to fool proof.
+5/-4
+1 on a loss -1 on a win and stay at that level until recovered
And
+1 every spin win or lose
Also fade away???
Quote from: denzie on Apr 04, 08:50 AM 2015
Also fade away???
I'm still playing around with this at the moment.
Did some tests on RX that came out very good with foolproof.
For now am using it at DB.
Foolproof is a strong thing....with the required br of course
Quote from: denzie on Apr 04, 10:20 AM 2015
Foolproof is a strong thing....with the required br of course
I totally agree with you Denzie.
As long as you have the required BR, Foolproof is a strong thing.
For now am playing with a BR of 50. Using 0,1 chips. So far so good.
Theres a few variations of fool proof. Do u mean +1 -1
I use 1unit with 1000unit br or for you 0.10 with 100..... didn't even got close to losing.
Cant +1 -1 get out of control
+1 win or lose . And set a resetpoint. Works great
Ok so you arent doing plus 1 on a loss minus 1 on a win. You are just continuously adding 1 unit no matter what. When you tout a system u need to make that clear! A how to bet rules denzie!
Theres a few variations of foolproof so when u say you use foolproof u must specify
:)
p.s. i am not giving you a hard time
it seems you have a very good strategy of play and i just want o fully understand it
with 3 different variations of foolproof we all have to know which one you use
here starts on page 36
here is the link
to large to atatch
link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf (link:s://:.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf)
SamNL.....NL stands for Nederland? as in my nothern neighbour? :twisted:
Fade away? No more testing ?
I imagine some are playing it and hopefully are winning. Be good to see some more results from real play here though
I'll give it a few 100spins. Was busy with Nowan's system(works great) ...to much systems and not enough time.
Anyway thx
Quote from: denzie on Apr 05, 05:27 AM 2015
SamNL.....NL stands for Nederland? as in my nothern neighbour? :twisted:
Yes, exactly.
Born and bred here in Nederland