I just began beating this old dead horse and am trying to understand it.
The claim is that the leveler progression keeps your head above
water for betting 2 dozens. 1/1 2/2/ 4/4/ 8/8/.
I don't see it. And in the thread, I don't see anyone dispute it.
Is there some way that leveling to a flat 8/8 bet allows you
to recoup losses? Can anyone explain it?
Thanks
Mogul
essentially a martingale on double dozens wont win big money or much money at all but it will recoup losses for sure
if you hit 8/8 you win 8 unites, still in the begative but then go back to 1/1....with a good bet selection could be good
Geez, I hate to go all negative but when I read this: but it will recoup losses for sure, I had to chime in.
Essentially the idea is that if a progression gets you in the hole, flat betting will get you out. Think about that. If flat betting would get you out of the hole, why not just flat bet from the first bet and rise far above the hole?
Sam
Cuz the most of the time u not go in the progession. I asume you still not tried my patience system "two cat".
I play double dozens all the time with trigger 2-3-4 repeaters in a row. Now waiting 4x is really safe and till today not lost one sessions yet. But while waiting u gonna see how much u miss cuz not play after 2 or 3x . Try first!
Mogul here's my opinion about roulette. There are so many systems but only 1% will really work. You gonna read here many systems. And you will think many times....yeah this is it. NOPE. Same as almost all systems they work good for some sessions and then oòoooooh not work and lose more then all your profit together.
I've gonna save you some time.
Wait till a dozen comes 3x in a row and then bet 1time on the other 2 dozen. Win ? Good, wait for next trigger. Lose? No problem and wait also for next trigger. Flatbets only for now. Later u will play the 2x also. But one step at a time.
Your bankroll have to be big enough for 10 chances. Let's say u have 100units then u play 5-5 when the trigger comes.
Is really safe with 10 chances. I know one day it gonna lose but the loses are peanuts compared with the winnings. Just try and u will see.
Before i only use 5 chances. The 4x still not bust . The 3x did bust 1 time in about 25days. I play this around evening. Open laptop. I workout and watch tv with the laptop next to me. Cuz the waiting is boring. Start 5-6 and finish 11-12 with profit. Of course later u will play bigger then it will be worth your time.
One hint : forget all the difficult systems cuz they not work in the long run. Good luck and never bet more then 1 time. Cuz the roulette will eat your money. Be patient is the key!!!
denzie
What you are doing has been tried for a hundred years or more. Never has worked; never will.
You are riding a lucky streak, that's all. It will end. Anyone with any experience in the game will tell you that.
Good luck.
TwoCat
@Denzie
If u have your trigger then there is a dealer change, does it matter....?
Do u still bet or do u restart tracking with the new dealer...? Thanks
Cheers
Chris
Damn why i lose my time with roulette. If im that lucky better i invest in lottery. Lol. No idea if im on a lucky streak for months with 1-3different casino's a day. Of course it's possible. Time will tell. But until that day i carey on with filling my pockets ^^. I have so much research and nrs i find it hard to believe. But i not say it can't happen. But even a few losing days not gonna hurt my money if u never go over the bankroll.
I keep going. ...new dealer or not...keep going.
TwoCat....if i can ask....how do you play?
@ Denzie - Thanks for the info, I will try it.
Cheers
Chris
@chris. ...pls post your results (good or bad) here so then im little bit more sure that im not Mr Lucky.
And of course this theory of TwoCat speaks for every system/strategy. Have people who play 30years with succes here on the dozens too. That's one big lucky streak. Lol. But i keep your words with me. And if you was right i will say it too. This i promise.
But b4 i played 1000nrs system with great succes. And been writing the nrs b4 i put unit on this game. I have a archive of more then 100000 real spin nrs. And yep i looked them all and still high up in profit (virtual and real)
denzie
What you are doing defies math. If you wait for dozen 1 to triple, you have 1,1,1. At that point, you have exactly the same chance of getting a 2 or 3 as if you had never waited for 1,1,1. I can take you through any trot of numbers and show where three dozens or columns will be followed by the same number to the point where you will break even and only lose to the zero.
This is virtually the same thing John Legend proposed and I tested it thoroughly. He left the forum in disgrace or something.
If you're making money, I am happy for you. Just beware....
TwoCat
Don't worry. I will watch my back. But till today is works fine. And about math....every outcome is independent about the ones b4. But i not see 30x red . It can happen and already did in the past. But those things happen once in....
And about dozens...of course they can go anyway possible. But it with all the times i play and all the casino's the results are same. They do come a lot 2x or 3x and 4x well some sessions not even see them.
No idea who jon legend is but i play this till the day i gonna say....you was right twocat. But then still i stop with profit at the end.
So tell us...how u play or if u not wanna say ...what you play?
Also every nr is independent but with airball i checked 1000nrs a day. And every day i see the same....all come same...ec dozen nrs.....crazy as it sounds but they do. I just waited till a nr was 2-300 or more behind and flatbet. Worked amazing. But you need a lot of time.
Just saying...i keep going till my "luck" stops.
And there's always 1-1 2-2 3-3 4-4 5-5 etc ...that works just fine too but some days the profit is not enough. But still profit. Well i keep u updated about my highs and lows. But anyways thx cuz now i will look more careful then b4.
Good luck for you also.
Denzie, you're all over the place. Not even sure what you do,
when you do it, and how often..
My original intent was about the 4x4 and hermes. Thing is that from what
I could tell, this guy had achieved so much recognition or respect
that no one had the nerve to dispute anything he said. So it made me wonder.
I still don't see how some flat betting will save your ass. If it does, why
not just bet flat at a lower level.
As to your other dozen play, be more specific about what you do.
And how often you play and your results...
Tomorrow I shall play "A Method With Teeth" by Mr J. and one with no name by Dane. I'll let you know.
Possibly some "Tic Tac Toe" and another with no name by Mr J.
They are all based on luck...
Sam
Love your last 2 posts 2Cat, makes me think.
Perhaps 80% of all methods pass x amount of spins on their first test run?
Perhaps in the short term there is an accumulative advantage that keeps adding up?
For example, if ignatus added up all his accumulated wins for the first test he ran for each method he selected he might be in the plus?
I think being tactical about how you play the first and only time you play a method might be successful longterm?
By this I mean playing methods with a not to high progression sequence (or flat betting) and stopping when you win x amount after x amount of spins or losing so much after x amount of spins while still being ahead etc...
In essence, either the majority of methods played once will win or the majority of methods played once will lose.
A simple example,
First method:
bet against HHH landing, a 3 step progression of 7 units.
play for 8 wins or a loss before this point. If you pass 8 wins keep playing until you lose, then stop playing the method.
This is just a simple example, the same concept applies for more intricate methods.
Perhaps in the short term methods will perform above expectation, we know that in the longterm they will not....
Perhaps in the short term methods will perform above expectation, we know that in the long term they will not....
AMK
Perhaps what we need to do is link all the short terms together to make a patch-work long term.
Sam
@Mongool..... it's very clear how i play. And about Hermes 4x4. ..try it. I've played it b4 but it's not my cup of tea. It did inspired me though. And yes , they will not go in debat with older and respected members. If nobody answers. ..just try yourself. .....
And the other....wait for a dozen to come 3x in a row...then bet 1-1 on the other 2 dozen. Win ? Reset. Lose? Wait for next trigger and bet 2-2......3-3....4-4.....5-5....etc
Hi!
A year ago or so i did a test with different systems, i played them 3 times each if i remember, along with the discussions here i thought i will do a new test now with our great contributer proofreeders systems, so i have played the 20 first systems of his.
I played them for just one session win or lose.
14 wins
6 losses
+108 units
This would be 10,8 euros
I will do the rest of the systems to and see what happens and see if we can benifit something out of it.
agesta
Quote from: agesta on Mar 19, 04:03 AM 2015
Hi!
A year ago or so i did a test with different systems, i played them 3 times each if i remember, along with the discussions here i thought i will do a new test now with our great contributer proofreeders systems, so i have played the 20 first systems of his.
I played them for just one session win or lose.
14 wins
6 losses
+108 units
This would be 10,8 euros
I will do the rest of the systems to and see what happens and see if we can benifit something out of it.
agesta
Ok here comes the result after 21 more systems of proofreaders.
The same rules like yesterday.
14 wins
7 loss =+102 units= 10.2 euros
Total:28 wins and 13 lost games
+210 units
I will keep on testing and now i will test just the systems that won and so on until i have a Winner.
But i Think anyway that you need a lots of systems in your bag to be a Winner and have the guts to stop playing a system maybe just after the first loss and move on.
By the way, i played the systems from the first to the
last.
agesta
Really would help if you would type outside the quotes.
Quote
Type type type.....
Or not............
Sam
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Agesta you went through proofs systems and bet each one once then went to the next?
Awesome stuff agesta!!
I like your idea of playing the 28 winners again and then the winners of those 28 again etc!
1) It seems that your losing seasons are not too bad in total units lost?
2) You are playing until the method loses once?
3) I assume the methods you select do not have a high progression? Could you describe the methods you find meet the criteria?
You could play a lot more methods before you start playing the winners again (2nd round). I would not be surprised if the second time around playing the winning methods again will reveal a same win to loss ration as seen with 14/6 test of 20 methods and 14/7 of 21 methods.... but you can only do this for so long, for example until you have 4 winning methods remaining (?3rd round)
There should be hundreds of methods to play that fit a certain criteria, or perhaps just keep creating your own new method played once or just tweak an old method you already played once? just brainstorming
To answer your question 2Cat! yes, perhaps the longterm is a patchwork of shortterm winning methods. This strategy can be applied in many different parameters. I like what agesta is doin!!
I think we can classify this as event betting... you calculate the odds of a "socalled" event to happen and play against it.... same with me playing inside numbers... i use event betting when i play online casinos to clear the bonuses... i bet and get a head a few hundred bucks then i play the terminator two slotmachines to clear the bonus faster..... takes me around 3 days to clear a bonus this way and ive only busted once.
It aint making me rich but everymoth all of my 3 online casinos offer me a reload (100%-200%) bonus and i start over :)
Hi!
2 cat i am sorry just pressed the wrong thing on the computer!
AMK
I have played every system once just the way they are described, win or lose.
No they do not have a high progression, because of the way i play them.
I get back later on the other stuff and how i am going to proced with this Project.
agesta
How many systems are there?
About 40 system!
agesta