Came across this on another forum.....
test it and see what happens
This system is designed for the American wheel. I divide the wheel up into two separate groups of numbers, 19 each. I call the groups A & B.
Group A: 0,3,5,6,9,10,12,15,16,21,22,25,26,27,28,29,30,33,34
Group B: 00,1,2,4,7,8,11,13,14,17,18,19,20,23,24,31,32,35,36
Look at the last 3 Spins:
Sequence/Next Bet
BBA/A
BAA/B
BAB/A
BBB/B
AAB/B
ABB/A
ABA/B
AAA/A
Too many numbers RG :/
Maybe traditional ecs but this is ridiculous!
just practiced on celtic
once i got the hang of it it was easy
used $5 chips, increased balance $200. worth looking in to
Hello . . '
I already have this coded and have attached the Excel Sheet so you can test it out yourself.
Although this is for a Single Zero wheel, the results will be pretty much the same.
It is best played with a bot as Proof says, too many numbers.
My limited testing shows this is not a winner.
Cheers
Nick
Guys
If you played this with the following settings: Win goal $100; loss $100; divisor 1 it "seems" to really work well. Will have to investigate further when time permits.
EDIT: I would love to play this at Riverwind, but I don't know if I could get all 19 bets down in 30 seconds. I may try it.
Sam
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 21, 12:52 PM 2015
Too many numbers RG :/
Maybe traditional ecs but this is ridiculous!
Proof...
Why ridiculous? It's only a silly number more than red or black. Or am I in the dark again??
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 21, 02:21 PM 2015
Proof...
Why ridiculous? It's only a silly number more than red or black. Or am I in the dark again??
Sam
That was my point.
You cant play it as an EC has to be straight up. And i thought of a way to play this easily. Sit down at airball use 2 terminals. Have A and B on repeat bet.
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look at the last 18 spins. Now bet the other 18 nrs.
What about repeaters? How about betting on the last 18 to come.
Sam
This thing works in my tests. Maybe add a progression and a trigger
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18 unique nrs in 24 spins. So u flatbet the 6 repeaters? Or i understand wrong? "Ie the repeaters"
i am playing the strategy in the first post on celtic american wheel the results are amazing....im liking this
Denzie . .
I do not want to interfere in the thread with that new system you are trying so I will PM you with
the answers to your questions.
Cheers
Nick
goto a american airball wheel with two people
one person waits till A is bet and bets it 2nd person wait till B is bet and bets it then you have A and B saved and just have to hit repeat bet
play with quarters ;)
Rg,
Still think the royals5 guy on youtube is still playing the best way on american wheel there is, i follow this guy some times and think he is a real pro roulette player.
R
rewster i remember watching him i still dont get his strategy. he just bets big on one number
Yes thats all, think its hit and run. The other numbers are to keep the balance. Maybe the trick isnt to find a good system but to play hit and run style, like the proofreaders systems.
R
What do you do when you hit and lose?
i urge u guys to test this strategy it works....the wins outweigh the losses and since it is pretty much an EC bet you come out ahead
OK, I'm not ready to break out the bubbly.....yet....but I set this thing to 100/-100/1000 so it will flat bet....I hope. Nick?
I do not have the time to record and give an accurate picture tonight, but I F9ed this thing a bunch of times and it wins around two to one.
I have around 400 RNG spins from Riverwind which I saved from the last trip. I may plug them into the sheet.
As I've said before, things look good and go straight to hell, so let's not all panic!
Samster
well my 18 nrs died today. The repaetes didnt stop coming. Maybe Nick his is better. No idea about RG his post. Will try today. In theory it should work but theory and roulette is a dangerous combination. So u play with 2 peole? one play A section and one play B section? Dusnt that end up break even? And then it should work with all EC too?
Yes, Sam, a Progression Divisor set to 1,000 will be flat betting.
You can still use the ExcelBot with the "Internal RNG" mode to test. It will speed up your results.
Cheers
Nick
3 sesions of 30 spins. 1th won 1unit , 2th lost 6 units, 3th lost 1 unit.
Ur not clear on what method u tetsed
Yours. So far not sure if it works. But im busy now with a 5-6hours session cuz i play my 3x dozen. And along the waiting i check your system virtually . So far it's stable. U play every spin or u play every 4th spin? (Cuz look 3 and bet on 4th. Then look 3 again and bet 4th)
Just finished a 30 spin session. This continues to be a solid strategy.
Celtic starting balance on American wheel with play money : $10,750
Celtic ending balance on American wheel with play money : $10,865
Up 23 units ($5 units was played)
Played every spin. Denzie if you are up 1 unit im not sure you are playing it correctly in your testing
Would look at past 3 results and go by strategy in first post
What does this mean? This strategy just about wins as much as it loses....that means a very conservative and light negative or positive progression can safely be used.....had i added 1 unit after a loss id be up more money
largest draw down was about $450 or 90 units which quickly recovered
id play this on airball using quarters for sure
do me a favor, bring the other system talk to another thread
I play it on a European wheel but with the same lay out as American. Of course one side has a extra nr. So far it's stay stable. But i did start in the hole and got it all back. So maybe now it gonna go up. I play both virtual. Every spin and every 4th spin...but the results are same. I will keep testing till my session finished. So gonna be a total of 5hours
So you was down 90 units (5×18) on 30 spins...that means u got 12 spins to make 113 units (90down and win 23 as the end result. Or im missing something here?
my lowest down was about 90 units.....5 consecutive losses in a row
which quickly rebounded flat betting
the break down: $5 units X 19 bets.....5 losses in a row = down 95 units
Then maybe for American wheel only. Cuz here it loses a bit. I did use the same lay out as it is on the American wheel 4nrs next to each other of same section . Just thought i do the same on the European wheel. Well don't work. I play every spin too. Or maybe im hitting a bad streak and soon i gonna go up. No idea. Will see
Afternoon 30 spins session on live wheel
Flat betting
Beginning balance $10,960 ending balance $10,455 using $5 units
What does that mean? down 101 units or $505. If i was playing $1 units i'd be down $100 to put it into perspective.
sounds bad? well its not bad.
I won 13 spins and lost 17 spins. So you see a progression can work.
I need a progression to fit this strategy to make it full proof
i have also been testing this in zumma segments---whats the worst losses in a row has anyone had? I had one 4 losses in a row
5 was most ive had
Add one unit after a loss reset when win
Yesterday 7or 8(not sure) losses in a row. And they come on my second spin already. Then it stayed stable. Got it all back. And when I'm back up...they go bad again. Then i stopped. Cuz about 150 spins fighting to get back. ( bet every 4th spin did a better job)
Just finished playing 250spins trigger (wait for 2 virtual losses). My bankroll shoots up like a rocket. But still not sure about best strategy. ..play every spin or every 4th spin. For sure this is best on a autowheel. So pure theoretical it should win in 1000spins flatbet. But again not sure whats best. Bet all spins or not ? Where the math pro's ...
Thanks for testing
I will test more to. Its easy to just wait for A or B trigger choose 1 to play and just hit repeat bet
I've got time while i play my system. From the moment i got 300â,¬, then 100â,¬ go to some side systems. And this "should" be a good one. But i prefer every 4th spin. No idea why. But my feeling tell me it's better. Will see...time will tell
since its an even money bet wouldn't this be a great candidate for mongoose or trio play or GLC's combo of both? Solid , lots of hits, rare to get 4-7 LIAR (losses in a row)which is the key.....
Tomla ur probably right. I havent been able to wrap my head around those methods yet thought.
A "carsh" betting method maybe?
Carsh. Ive heard that one before. Any good EC progression can be used for this!
Now im playing carsh on the colors but with your method... works amazing. Hmmm hope it's not just luck
carshe will break and it hurts when it does--ouch !!!! other than that its a great progession
Carsh on red and black while playing this method at same time?
no i never combined them
what do you mean "playing the colors"
So i just finished 108 spins. I just play my system for real and the rest virtual.
Wait a dozen repeat 3x and then bet...3units (300â,¬)
Carsh on red/black with look last 3 spins and bet the color behind 19 units (190â,¬)
Play red/black and also look last 3 spins 11units (110â,¬)
No idea, maybe it's my lucky day. For sure needs a month testing minimum. But will see. So far , So good.
Denzie said hes playing carsch kn the colors and this method didn't he?
Btw the original post or mine half of the wheel did win both but the profit was soso. Waiting for the trigger (2 virtual losses) worked very good. Buuut still testing
any other ideas for a good EC progression. I feel safe using one with this method.
im testing with this:
you need two wins as in a parlay
1+4
1+3
1+2
1+1
2+2
3+3
4+3
5+2
7+3
8-1
-33 units if lose 10 steps
just tested 80 spins and didnt lose ---lets try some more spins
This is so good. Just stressful to get all the bets in fast enough on airball and in land based casino forget it
its really not a problem in land based casino--let the dealer know and they will give you more time...no biggie!!! its a consistant bet maybe because of the extra number played-I doubt that it wins flat but it is an interesting bet in that it doesnt go out of whack as far as my puny tests have shown.........
and my tests have also shown no long lose streaks, a safe "EC" bet.....however most dealers dont like when u have a paper lol
i can play this at airball with a partner. have one partner play A and one partner play B.
if A is to be bet player A hits repeat bet....if B is to be bet player B presses repeat bet
i can play it online at 5dimes just worried about getting paid if i win too much
If the balance stays steady, you could use something as simple as a 1-3-5-7-9-11....... sequence. Move up and restart on new high.
Quote from: thelaw on Mar 23, 08:22 PM 2015
If the balance stays steady, you could use something as simple as a 1-3-5-7-9-11....... sequence. Move up and restart on new high.
good idea!
and:
1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
im inclined to martingale after 2 virtual losses, which by the way can take a long time!
the hit rate is good thats why we need more testers....
maybe a tweak? a trigger? a virtual loss? betting only A or only B?
OK, I tested this with the sheet Nick wrote and posted and it loses big time.
Might run a few numbers from the Zuma and see how it does.
Sam
Loses big time in the long run of course, they all do. For me 20 spins and im done. All these systems we post lose.
Id say combine this with a good trigger or progression and its a winner. Maybe even alternate between this and another good strategy
This really works in waves...play virtual till the losing streak comes and passed. ....then go time...when u have 10-20units reset...now im trying to do this with a bot. But it's not easy to code it.
Guys
As I've said, I hate to go Joe Negative on you, but when I flip open the Zuma to a random page and start playing, I think that's fair. I'm not looking for losers to report on.
I flip around in the book; I don't just go on and on and on.
Sam
Im starting hate your book. Lol. But more then 500spins already and i just play virtual. If the nrs come normal then nothing happens. Looks like ping pong. Win a unit , lose a unit. Then the losing streak comes and when im virtually down 5losses then it's go time. Again a lot of waiting. But it did win easy. But i play half of the wheel .... A=1- 5-6-8-9-10-11-13-14-16-20-23-24-27-30-31-33-34-36
There are 15 thousands in the Zuma Tester.
Give me six thousands and the number to start on and I'll do the test. Using A or B or both. Use number 1 thru 900 to leave room at the end.
Sometimes I hate the book, too. Why? It is truth and it bursts my illusions.
TwoCat
Two cat. Thats a broad statement. Saying it fails badly but how. Are u betting everytime? Progression? What was the most losses in a row?
I know one thing sure...on :.36win.be (link:://:.36win.be) there's a live autowheel. On this wheel all comes the same in 1000 spins. Really? Yes really. Not just theory. Im gonna do my best to code it into rx .But look 3 spins and bet the 4th. Then on to the next trigger. 1000 spins. 750 virtual. ..250 real bets......im not a mathwizard but................just make sure for enough go in a hole first if things go bad. Or do like i do...wait for a bad streak......im not saying this is THE system. But one thing the b*tch called roulette teaches me....have patience or lose
its still ahead on the 10 step parlay progression---no losses but only 150 zumma spins
Twocat when you say it fails can u elaborate? Long losing streaks?
Tomla whats the progression?
im testing with this:
you need two wins as in a parlay
1+4
1+3
1+2
1+1
2+2
3+3
4+3
5+2
7+3
8-1
-33 units if lose 10 steps
i hope i figured that out right
So u need 2 wins in a row within 10 spins?
yes
dont forget a win and a loss only count as 1 step
Good point
You move up a level on a loss, on a win repeat same bet? Please explain. Thanks
I had six losses in a row.
I think I should let this thread go and move on. I don't want to offend anyone.
Samster
Ok twocat. I dont see how 6 losses in a row makes it a loser though.
Im not offended at all. I just wanted to know what u meant by it fails long term i wanted to know the flaw u found.
It helps me in testing if when u test on zuma and it fails u tell me how it failed lol, this way i dont waste my time manual testing
6 losses in a row i can easily overcome. Ive already implemented a 2 loss virtual start
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 24, 01:07 PM 2015
im testing with this:
you need two wins as in a parlay
1+4
1+3
1+2
1+1
2+2
3+3
4+3
5+2
7+3
8-1
-33 units if lose 10 steps
i hope i figured that out right
tomla, how s this played? i cant grasp it...i know its a 10 step parlay
First bet and if win you parlay it
So if u get up to 7 units and win, bet 7 again or bet the original 7 plus the 7 u just won for a total of 14 units
Option 2....14 units
I think this will be very hard to bust using that 10 step tomla posted
made a mistake on the progression , it should be:
1+3
1+2
1+1
2+3
3+4
3+1
4+1
6+3
8+3
10+1
39 units in all
still havent busted it , but im sure I will..........yes simple parlay,two wins LLLLLWLLWW---the bet is 6 units if you win you bet 12 units. The WW gives you 24 units minus minus the 21 units you put out.....you win 3 units
I hope I explained it right
should be easy to get 2 wins in a row within 10.
so far it has been, the longest has been 8 in 100 zumma spins
By the time it busts ull still be in profit
yeah but it would still be nice to test it at least a 1000spins to see if it holds and its boundries etc...on a real table there would be a lot of fumbling placing 19 bets.....plus getting my ussual stuff down
yes tomla thats why my plan is to use this on airball
i will test it on airball at my local casino first before using real money....its about 1 spins per minute. 30 seconds to place bets
i can use to terminals, have one set up for A and one set up for B, and just hit repeat bet ;)
This will bust. But it makes more profit then losses. Soooo it's a keeper for airball.....good job
Also faded? I just bring them up for closure or further testing. I still like rewsters idea...make a top 10 of the best systems. Cuz 90% here start wooow and then fade (probably cuz it didn't do the job) .....so i support rewster....anyone wanna join...then start a new topic.
It works