.......with much appreciated help from Nick.
OK, folks and people, friends and neighbors..............
I have fired the puppy up and it is past 6,000 spins and is looking very good. Now we must find the run from hell and see what the bet is and the draw down of the bankroll.
I will be truthful; I will not reveal anything.
Sam
im always left in the dark on this forum! what system of denzies are u testing? is there a pdf that explains it>!
:question: :question: O0 O0
i think denzie is vs 3 dozens in a row its a good bet or :) was it after 2 dozens, one repeat bet for a third----that one also looks good in my testing
Frankly, I do not know what the sheet does. I just install it in the bot and let it run. So far it is doing very well. As I told denzie, I do not have the right to disclose anything but the truth about its reliability. As to how it works, that's up to him to disclose.
DD are doomed to fail. Lol. Well that's what i been hearing/reading here. @tomla...u don't have to believe me but betting after 2times will eat your BR. One day shoot up. The next day die. I've tested that a lot already. Just wanna save you some money and time. (As most systems ). For me if let's say my BR is 1000units then i need to make 300units for a session minimum. And the system need to win 8-9/10 or more. If you have such a thing then you can say ...bingooo.
@Samster....you tested the one i send to nick or the one i send to you? Cuz it's 2 different systems. But both do the job ...so far
And also...you still play the system from Simon from the other forum? Was also on the DD
Aw, geez, there are two sheet? This is not-not-not good.
You are not keeping your deal!! The deal was that you give THE winning system to Nick and Nick would write the sheet and I would test it. There was nothing about two sheets. I am testing the one you sent me. Nick will probably not send me any sheet you hired him to create unless you give him permission. He is very good about a person's privacy.
I don't know who you mean---Simon. What was his screen name and what was the system?
Anyway, I am changing the settings on the sheet you sent me. It may be a winning system, but just like I told you, you have to wait longer than a human can. Sometimes to complete a betting phase, it takes three or four hundred spins and then you win one unit!! Who can--in the real world--do that??
I am a little discouraged with you, my friend. PLEASE send me the sheet that is YOUR HOLY GRAIL and let me test it or I'll just go back to my own work. Lord knows, I've got a dozen irons in the fire.
You guys got to look at something!!
Sam
I guess my English really suck Sam.
There's only 1 sheet. Nick gave it to me and i send it to you. Yes the one you have and said it looks good after 6000spins. The other "pearl" i just send so you can test it also. Cuz it works just as good. But that wasn't a sheet. Just my explanation in a email.
And about the waiting to win 1 unit....1unit can be 1$ but also 100$
And i do have the time for 500spins every day. And i do make more then 1 unit. Cuz 3 is my minimum.
About the system from simon ...i need check. Just read it recently and you was very exiting about it....i get back on that later
Theres a lot of people here that deserve a "holy grail" that put years into this forum
denize
Your English be fine!
Last night I left the bot running. Should have had 100k spins but the power went off!!
Today I'm at around 22,000 spins and it looks good BUT the draw would be horrific. Right now the draw down is 2186 units. Pennies is $21.86. Dimes would be $218.60 and dollars would be $2,186.00. No need to go to ten-dollar bets! Soon you will hit the table limit.
So far, this looks to be quite good and would be even better on the BVNZ table.
Playing a real table like Dublin on line would take a full day to make maybe a dollar.
And that's the truth so far..
Sam
hi denzie and heres to your testing working out well,,, what I meant was betting after 3 dozen repeats as in 121333 , after the 333 I bet the other two dozens once ,on a loss I let the whole thing reset. 1213333 (loss) 3 22 ( I bet second time here)...........
gl and happy easter weekend if it applys
Sammy ,
Happy to read it not die. But i hope the stop loss and minimum and maximum win point is in it. Cuz nick still not answered me yet on that matter. Cuz im over 17000 real spins now where i made over 1600 bets. Can't say the exact spins but it's close to this. So far im up so far in profit i need to work a half year for it.
@tomla...i keep it flat. Works just fine. And if you wait for 4times then till today it didn't lose yet. But after 3times it just makes more profit even with a losing session incl.
Guys
Here is the first run of 100K. The profit should be $90+ as it cut off during a run and was down when it ran out of spins. 100K is what it is set to run.
Here's the problems:
1. Even for a robot who never needs to pee, this is too slow. When the casinos see you on line for twenty hours each day, day after day, they will know you are using a bot.
2. The draw downs are a bit too much for my taste. I would be happy to make $90 every once in a while--maybe once a week--but playing this in a B&M casino is just not feasible. Imagine a $5 minimum.
Now to those who claim, "Oh, I'll just play a little while and then leave." Hit and run. You will do that a long time and then you will sit down when the run from hell is about to happen and it will eat your lunch. Hear me now and believe me later. I've run these darn bots for untold millions of spins and this is the way it happens.
On a brighter note, I think this thing--whatever it is--has merit. I am going to work with various progressions to try to find a way to keep the draw down smaller and the bet larger. (Larger bets are not always the enemy!!)
Later...........
And Happy Easter to all who believe and even those with a mild suspicion.
Sam
Still happy it comes out winning. But the dawndraft is maximum my daily BR. And till now i only lost 2 sessions. So not sure what i need to think of it. The strange thing is that i now play this together with 4 mates and we all win. Hmmm. Im bit confused. But as promised i will say it the day my/our luck changes.
These are RNG results?
Happy easter
denzie
These are RNG results from the bot.
I will look for a better progression. That's what I do!!
Thank you for your cooperation on this matter. People who work together get a lot more done that lone wolves.
Sam
link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1216567314/s-0/ (link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1216567314/s-0/)
Well, that said absolutely nothing.
Old link. I skimmed it
What they are doing is once a dozen stops hitting bet against it
Spin- doz 1
Spin - doz 2 (doz 1 has stopped so now bet against it)
Spin- bet dozen 2 and dozen 3
I don't play this. Just shared the link for Sam. Oooh and about the progression u gonna work on....already gave you it. No idea how many time i need repeat it. FOOLPROOF IT.
Now Sam , Samster , Twocat ....after all the comments you give on all posts and the nrs on the bot you run and your experience and etc.... tell the members here about a system from yourself pls. We curious to see and hear about it. Just wanna know if you more then just hot air. Teach us mighty Sam...we are ready. ... :twisted:
Don't angry ok...i just ask what others are bit afraid to ask. Probably cuz of the reactions to come. Btw nice dog. I prefer a German Shepherd
theres a lot of people on this forum who keep their methods secret
or claim to have a good method but dont share it
i dont understand the purpose of that to be honest
to have a good method but not share it, then why are you here?
supposed to help eachother
if you have a solid system share it or why stay?
:wink:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 05, 12:20 PM 2015
theres a lot of people on this forum who keep their methods secret
or claim to have a good method but dont share it
i dont understand the purpose of that to be honest
to have a good method but not share it, then why are you here?
supposed to help eachother
if you have a solid system share it or why stay?
Let's say you actually find an 100% HG, it NEVER loses.....
Would you honestly share it ? On the internet ?
the golden goose would be hung in a heartbeat....
O0
Maybe if the forum was private and no guests allowed.....
denzie
I will re-post something I have played for years. Someone will probably claim I stole it from them and maybe I did. Can't remember the thousands of systems I used.
As to the bot and progressions, you are a bit in the dark. There are features in the bot that I suggested to Steph and even paid him some to create them. I won't go into them, but they are fun to play around with.
OK
Look at the last five numbers:
14
x
x
x
14
If you have a number repeat within five spins, play until the oldest number is in the number 11 position on the marquee. There can be three numbers, or two or one or none between them, but not four or more.
I recently posted a system on this forum and no one took notice at all.
I have never claimed to know what works 100%, I just know what testing reveals. Most people don't like it.
Sam
By the way, your system--whatever it is--is doing quite well in the second hundred thousand of the test. I'll probably run it for a million if it looks good in the next few trots.
Don't be too quick to criticize; I might be on your side!!
Link to the system noone took notice on. Id like to read it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 05, 05:34 PM 2015
Maybe if the forum was private and no guests allowed.....
Well, that's something quite a bit different to what you said originally isn't it ?
O0
Ok Sam , still happy to hear it's doing good. But you honestly don't know what its doing or how it works?
And about being on my side...i never have a clue if your friendly, joking or being sarcastic. Really no idea. It's a loooot easier to win from roulette then to understand you.
About the bot...im doing my best to learn as fast i can to work with it. It's new territory to me. But soon or late i will be successful in it.
And have played for years ? You stopped playing it or i understand wrong ?
denize
I go to the casino when I can. My thread is MY TRIP TO RIVERWIND.
No, the bot runs so fast there is no way to see exactly what bets are placed. "# Spins a Dozen to Repeat for" is one column heading. I have no idea what that means.
I am always serious unless what I say is so outlandish people know I'm jesting.
Onward.............
Here is the latest 100,000. As you can see, it was up to $57 or so when it had the run from hell. What happened is it needed more spins than the sheet allows. Perhaps you should ask Nick to extend it to 1,000 spins.
MOSTof the time, this system is very good. I can see it winning a unit within a reasonable number of spins--say 20. Other times it takes over 100 spins to win. And it this case, it went 500 without a win.
Who is going to sit for 500 spins?
As you say, you have not hit the run from hell. I have run it 200,000 with the bot and found it many times.
Lastly, you must understand the RNG feature of the bot runs numbers at the rate of about 10 per second. Now imagine that on BV running around a spin per thirty seconds. See how the time factor comes into play?
I will continue to test it.
Sam
Im already happy it's still keeps it head above water. But i will contact Nick as i have some questions. In meanwhile I'll keep going at my dozens and check your post.
Im of to zzzzzzz
denzie i like the dozens idea you play
do you always wait for 3 of the same in a row then bet the other 2 or do you also do 2 in a row
33
29
36
then bet doz 1 and 2 ONCE?
Ghost
It seems he does that. The first time the bot bets it is after three of a dozen in a row but then it does not follow that scheme. It once was 3 3 1 3 and it bet for the 1 2.
denzie
Either Nick wrote it as you told him or you did not make it clear to him. If you are going to change the sheet, I need to know so I can start over. I will not switch horses during the race.
Sam
yes if thats how its written then thats what he is probably doing
when a dozen repeats 3 times bet the other 2 once.....he probably is using a +1 progression
Hello all
I am still running the bot and have had another incident where the sheet was too short. That is, it only goes to 500 spins and it needed more.
I think I need to find a way to change the "foolproof" progression, whatever that is, to one that only goes about fifty spins.
Sam
Quote from: denzie on Apr 05, 09:18 AM 2015
Oooh and about the progression u gonna work on....already gave you it. No idea how many time i need repeat it. FOOLPROOF IT.
denzie
I am quickly loosing faith in you! I can read the progression the sheet uses and it is not the foolproof as outlined by GLC in another thread. Why would you say that?
Why don't we just have an honest test of the system?
TwoCat
I see no reason to continue this testing. As you can see, we are 60,000 or so into test three and it has failed three times. I am going to set the bot for an outside progression of +1 on win and loss and see what it looks like tomorrow.
I am not saying this system is a failure; just that it needs a progression that is steeper and fewer spins to win or lose
Sam
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Sam we clearly not on the same page here. Probably cuz of my English.
In here you write the bot does this : 3313 and then he bet 12 ??? For sure that is not what i told Nick. 100% sure. So no idea why the bot does that. B4 you not believed in my system cuz u said....if u run it a bilion times it can never win etc...and then u wanna test it. So i told Nick this : If a dozen comes 3times in a row then bet the other 2 dozens for ONLY ONE time using flatbets. Cuz thats what i do. Every day.
And as i said a few times already...i send u another by email. NOT the sheet. In that email is the FOOLPROOF progression. And i also asked if you tried it but still no answer on that. Remember?
You wanna do tests? my nr 1: TRIGGER 3 SAME DOZEN IN A ROW AND THEN BET THE OTHER 2 DOZEN FOR 1 TIME (as i told nick) (busted only 2times)
my nr 2:TRIGGER 4 ( same as above but wait one more)(till today didnt lose a session yet but trigger 3 makes more profit even with a losing session incl as trigger 4 not comes much)
my nr 3: same as nr 2 but with foolproof (+1 win or lose with a resetpoint of 5units)
my nr 4: same as nr 1 but with foolproof (+1 win or lose with a resetpoint of 5units)
Also i not play a billion spins... trigger 3 or 4 ....stop loss is 1000units....minimum win point is 300units and maximum winpoint is 500 units. The idea is to win our BR every 3 days. So if a loss comes we not gonna worry about it or have that bad feeling after a losing session. A session takes 2 to 6 hours. But that is not what the sheet does. The sheet just keep going on and on
I hope now its finally clear. So i wil talk nick asap why the bot does a bet like u said.
Grts And to all....heres your eastergift
Quote from: denzie on Apr 06, 05:03 AM 2015
Sam we clearly not on the same page here. Probably cuz of my English.
I am going to answer you in red so it will be clear. Your English is fine!
In here you write the bot does this : 3313 and then he bet 12 ??? For sure that is not what i told Nick. 100% sure. So no idea why the bot does that. B4 you not believed in my system cuz u said....if u run it a bilion times it can never win etc...and then u wanna test it. So i told Nick this : If a dozen comes 3times in a row then bet the other 2 dozens for ONLY ONE time using flatbets. Cuz thats what i do. Every day.
Sorry, I had it wrong. It was 3133 and the bot bet the 1 and 2. I have found a way to slow the bot down and now I can see clearly. Now the bot is set up to wait for two dozens in a row and flat bet. I will set it for three. I am making a video of the current trot to see what is happening exactly. I am using the progression. I will stop that.
And as i said a few times already...i send u another by email. NOT the sheet. In that email is the FOOLPROOF progression. And i also asked if you tried it but still no answer on that. Remember?
I have gotten no such email. I am twocatsam@cox.net, but you know that.
You wanna do tests? my nr 1: TRIGGER 3 SAME DOZEN IN A ROW AND THEN BET THE OTHER 2 DOZEN FOR 1 TIME (as i told nick) (busted only 2times)
my nr 2:TRIGGER 4 ( same as above but wait one more)(till today didnt lose a session yet but trigger 3 makes more profit even with a losing session incl as trigger 4 not comes much)
my nr 3: same as nr 2 but with foolproof (+1 win or lose with a resetpoint of 5units)
my nr 4: same as nr 1 but with foolproof (+1 win or lose with a resetpoint of 5units)
Also i not play a billion spins... trigger 3 or 4 ....stop loss is 1000units....minimum win point is 300units and maximum winpoint is 500 units. The idea is to win our BR every 3 days. So if a loss comes we not gonna worry about it or have that bad feeling after a losing session. A session takes 2 to 6 hours. But that is not what the sheet does. The sheet just keep going on and on
I hope now its finally clear. So i wil talk nick asap why the bot does a bet like u said.
Please do not contact Nick because I made a mistake.
Grts And to all....heres your eastergift
denzie
I have a brand new Windows 8 computer dedicated to bots and testing. I have set it up with the following instructions:
Wait for three of the same dozen and bet 1-1 on the unhit dozens. Example: 333 bet 1-2.
If I understand you, if that bet loses the bot waits for four in a row, i.e., 1111 and then bets 2-3. The bot does not do that. It only waits for 3 in a row if you set it for three.
With no progression this is a sure loser. Why? Let's do the math:
1st bet 1-1 and a loss means your are down 2 units
2nd bet 1-1 and you win. You win 1 unit and are down 1 for the trot.
The bot bears this out with loss after loss after loss.
Your idea is not bad and I think it has merit if I can only find the right setting for the Excel sheet and the bot.
I will try the foolproof, but that will NOT work when the sheet ALWAYS loses. It will just dig a deeper hole.
Sam
Twocat id love to see results on a bot of a prog 1, 3, 9 on a loss that stops at 9 and reset back to 1 on a win or after 9 Betting other two dozens after a 3 repeat.
Mr. Ghost
I do not understand. Please spell it out more slowly! ^-^
I will do it. I still have one idle computer. I have four.
Sam
Negative 1 3 9 progression resetting to 1 unit after 9 or after a win
got it
RG
The way the bot is set up is this: Wait for 2 dozens in a row and then bet 1-1; then two more dozens in a row and bet 3-3, and finally 9-9.
It does not work. I tried the "foolproof progression" and it is worse.
Sorry.
Sam
Sam, wasn't the concept 3 dozens in a row not 2 ? ......I play something identical to Denzies I think ??? (the ultimate is it the same or not) and do well with it
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 06, 03:16 PM 2015
Sam, wasn't the concept 3 dozens in a row not 2 ? ......I play something identical to Denzies I think ??? (the ultimate is it the same or not) and do well with it
I think Denzie was indeed talking about 3 or 4 dozens in a row and then start betting.
He even said that he busted playing 3 dozens in a row and that 4 dozens in a row didn't but got much less oppurtunities.
Yes, the concept was three in a row.
As soon as the bots finish, I will set it for 3 and we'll see. I tried it for a brief time and found that it might go 100 spins before hitting three in a row.
It does not increase from three to four unless I stop and bot and start it over at four.
But, without a progression, it is a moot point as it will always lose. I don't see why that math fact is so elusive.
I have lots of time........I hope!!
Sam
SamNL your correct. Only 1bet after the trigger. And wait for the next trigger. Flatbet. Betting after 2times in a row is suicide. Cuz 3 and 4 times in row comes to much. 3times busted but stiil faaaar ahead of failure. 4times it's crazy but didn't lost yet. But the profit is smaller.
The thing im most curious about...who's gonna win the most ? Nr 1 or nr 2? And what's the safest? Nr 3? In the long run. ......i guess i best play them all 3 together with separate br...then i know
Quote from: denzie on Apr 06, 04:19 PM 2015
SamNL your correct. Only 1bet after the trigger. And wait for the next trigger. Flatbet. Betting after 2times in a row is suicide. Cuz 3 and 4 times in row comes to much. 3times busted but stiil faaaar ahead of failure. 4times it's crazy but didn't lost yet. But the profit is smaller.
denzie
I'm just about to my ropes end.
OK, you wait for three of the same dozen and bet once. If you lose, you wait for three of the same dozen and bet the same amount?
Is that it?
Sam
That is correct Sam. Bet only 1 time after the trigger. Flatbet. And then wait for the trigger to come again and repeat. ...
denzie
I am going to forget about trying to explain the math of the thing to you. If I'm wrong, would someone explain it to me.
Moving on...........
You have a pretty good idea. There "seems" to be a problem with the sheet and I finally found it. I am going to send Nick a copy of a video I made to see what he thinks. This should have made 93 instead of 31.
I am done with this thread.
Sam
Ok. Those who wanna use the systems can. Nr 1 , 2 and 3 at your service. Enjoy
I have used that system lets call it "denzies Double Dozens" for years as a walk around strategy going from one table to another and it seems to always win --the progression is always the difficulty---flat or 1, 3, 9 or up two every loss , or a labby etc
I prefer flat. Cuz it makes good money. It mostly comes in waves. That why u need stop loss and minimum and maximum win point. Then it works really good. On the bot with continious play it doesnt work that good. But still get profit. And there you should stop. Is all about waves as it is in many systems. If your on top of the mountain theres only one way.....down :wink:
But my nr 3 (look above in this post) seems to do a exellent job. Try it and tell me what u think . I will ask Nick to test it on the bot also.
I suggest to forget about nr 4
Whats your stop loss denzie?
If you hit your stop loss when do you start playing again?
reply #35 ....my daily br is 1000units. if it busts...try again tomorrow. Of course you could wait till the bad wave is passed first but pffff maybe that wave not comes all day/week. minimum win point 300 units and maximum win point 500. You need to win your br back in maximum 3 days.
But look again at reply #35 pls
Quote from: denzie on Apr 06, 04:19 PM 2015
SamNL your correct. Only 1bet after the trigger. And wait for the next trigger. Flatbet. Betting after 2times in a row is suicide. Cuz 3 and 4 times in row comes to much. 3times busted but stiil faaaar ahead of failure. 4times it's crazy but didn't lost yet. But the profit is smaller.
Hi denzie - you say that betting after 2 times in a row is suicide coz 3 in a row and 4 in a row comes too much... In that case why not bet ONCE for the repeat (progression) ; and if it hits then bet ONCE against the repeat (flatbet) ?
Played it like this:
When a doz repeats TWICE - I bet once only for a third repeat on SAME dozen.
I use a +1 mild progression on this if necessary eg:
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9...
When a doz repeats THREE TIMES - signal to bet other 2 dozen.
I just FLATBET one time only at 1u-1u on the other 2 doz.
I use some numbers from rfmaxx
[START]
1
6 bet 1u on D1
5 w+2 ; bet 1u on D2+D3 +2*
6 L-2 +0
1
20
20 bet 1u on D2
18 w+2; bet 1u on D1+D3 +2
12 w+1 +3*
28
17
32
13
35
27 bet 1u on D3
22 L-1 +2
7
27
30 bet 2u on D3
31 w+4; bet 1u on D1+D2 +6*
31 L-2 +4
11
21
34
28 bet 1u on D3
20 L-1 +3
19 bet 2u on D2
5 L-2 +1
31
2
7 bet 3u on D1
6 w+4; bet 1u on D2+D3 +5
15 w+1 +6*
27
4
31
28 bet 1u on D3
30 w+2; bet 1u on D1+D2 +8*
35 L-2 +6
24
23 bet 1u on D2
23 w+2; bet 1u on D1+D3 +8*
18 L-2 +6
11
9 bet 1u on D1
32 L-1 +5
15
13 bet 2u on D2
34 L-2 +3
19
5
4 bet 3u on D1
26 L-3 +0
34 bet 4u on D3
21 L-4 -4
1
20
18 bet 5u on D2
23 w+10; bet 1u on D1+D3 +6
29 w+1 +7
8
34
19
1
17
24 bet 1u on D2
26 L-1 +6
29 bet 2u on D3
18 L-2 +4
6
6 bet 3u on D1
0 L-3; bet 4u on D1 +1
9 w+8; bet 1u on D2+D3 +9*
20 w+1 +10*
8
12 bet 1u on D1
5 w+2; bet 1u on D2+D3 +12*
13 w+1 +13*
14 bet 1u on D2
3 L-1 +12
35
22
[END]
A.
PS. Another demo using RX spinfile attached.
Interesting tweak Atlantis. I will give it try for sure. Big thx