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Title: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: doubledime on Apr 20, 04:36 PM 2015
Please, some thoughts on the best double dozen progression.

Thanks,  DD
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 04:58 PM 2015
No such thing as a good one. But best?

Well hows the bet selection? If bet selection is foolproof then 1, 3, 9

If it is so so then great progression
1 1 1 1 1 if up reset if down
2 2 2 2 2 if up or even back to 1 if down
3 3 3 3 3
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: ddarko on Apr 20, 06:17 PM 2015
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 20, 04:58 PM 2015
No such thing as a good one. But best?

Well hows the bet selection? If bet selection is foolproof then 1, 3, 9

If it is so so then great progression
1 1 1 1 1 if up reset if down
2 2 2 2 2 if up or even back to 1 if down
3 3 3 3 3

If the best selection was foolproof you wouldn't need a progression right ?

O0
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: GLC on Apr 20, 08:14 PM 2015
I have to agree with DD.  There's no best.  They all have a weakness that must be dealt with.

Even though most of my progressions are negative progressions sprinkled with a few positive progressions here and there I find myself drifting closer and closer toward the flatbet crowd.  Since I don't really think bet selection makes that much difference in the long run, if any, where does that leave me?

Okay, here's my latest thinking.  It's straight from our friend Atlantis.  Never bet after a Loss and always bet after a Win.  This will keep you from a steep drop due to a long series of losses, and of course we're always there when we have a long series of wins.  Okay, so WLWLWLWL is what kills you, but like I said, they all have their weakness.

GLC
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 21, 05:36 AM 2015
Quote from: GLC on Apr 20, 08:14 PM 2015
I have to agree with DD.  There's no best.  They all have a weakness that must be dealt with.

Even though most of my progressions are negative progressions sprinkled with a few positive progressions here and there I find myself drifting closer and closer toward the flatbet crowd.  Since I don't really think bet selection makes that much difference in the long run, if any, where does that leave me?

Okay, here's my latest thinking.  It's straight from our friend Atlantis.  Never bet after a Loss and always bet after a Win.  This will keep you from a steep drop due to a long series of losses, and of course we're always there when we have a long series of wins.  Okay, so WLWLWLWL is what kills you, but like I said, they all have their weakness.

GLC

I don't believe in betselections. I believe in statistics in combination with a controlable progression.
If you play with a bankroll of 200 units max.............. then that is your flatbat.

Like the progression I posted in my other topic. I won almost all the sessions I tested. My bankroll almost never went under -200. Sessions of 250 spins gave a profit of 150 units.
So -200 is the point of no return, never continue the progression if you reach 200 minus.  Then consider 200 units as a flatbat.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: GLC on Apr 21, 09:43 AM 2015
I can't argue with your logic. It reminds me of a topic of mine titled 'every bet's a flat bet'.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: Chris555p on Apr 21, 10:25 AM 2015
@ Eddy35- 1 question concerning: ...''Sessions of 250 spins gave a profit of 150 units.'' Is it flat bet....?
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 21, 12:00 PM 2015
No, you can see the progression in the topic I began.

I just keep the progression limited till I reach a minus of 200...... then I stop. So I consider my bankrol of 200 a flatbet.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: Chris555p on Apr 21, 12:12 PM 2015
I  looked above but can't see the progression in question....

I note that in one post u metnioned that ....."Like the progression I posted in my other topic. I won almost all the sessions I tested...."; Is it possible to
put a link of the progression here thanks..
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 21, 01:08 PM 2015
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 21, 12:12 PM 2015
I  looked above but can't see the progression in question....

I note that in one post u metnioned that ....."Like the progression I posted in my other topic. I won almost all the sessions I tested...."; Is it possible to
put a link of the progression here thanks..

I tested like this:

- only play the first dozen, this is the way I played it but just chose your own bet selection !
- start to play with 2 units.... but you can also start with 1 unit
- ad a unit after a loss till you are on a new high
- then return to the 2 unit bet
- If you win your bet but your are not on a new high, play the same bet size again. So only ad one unit after a loss.

I saw something like this on the forum already but I made a little twist to prevent big drawdowns.

- adjust your betsize if you are within one spin from a new high...................... example: you have to bet 21 units but you are only 6 units from a new high, then play 3 instead of 21 units. 3 units will bring you to a new high after a win. If you lose that bet you ad one and play 4 units.

I tested this for a few thousand spins already and it goes smoothly. It is also easy to controle the progression.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: Chris555p on Apr 21, 05:32 PM 2015
@Eddy35 - oki thanks.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: GLC on Apr 21, 10:55 PM 2015
Quote from: eddy35 on Apr 21, 01:08 PM 2015
I tested like this:

- only play the first dozen, this is the way I played it but just chose your own bet selection !
- start to play with 2 units.... but you can also start with 1 unit
- ad a unit after a loss till you are on a new high
- then return to the 2 unit bet
- If you win your bet but your are not on a new high, play the same bet size again. So only ad one unit after a loss.

I saw something like this on the forum already but I made a little twist to prevent big drawdowns.

- adjust your betsize if you are within one spin from a new high...................... example: you have to bet 21 units but you are only 6 units from a new high, then play 3 instead of 21 units. 3 units will bring you to a new high after a win. If you lose that bet you ad one and play 4 units.

I tested this for a few thousand spins already and it goes smoothly. It is also easy to controle the progression.

Eddy,  Have you ever tried playing your progression on all 3 dozens at the same time betting differentially.  Your method is between a D'Alembert and an Oscar's Grind.

Could be interesting.

GLC
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 22, 05:30 AM 2015
Quote from: GLC on Apr 21, 10:55 PM 2015
Eddy,  Have you ever tried playing your progression on all 3 dozens at the same time betting differentially.  Your method is between a D'Alembert and an Oscar's Grind.

Could be interesting.

GLC

I was thinking about it.  I had the same idea  :)
One thing is clear to me when using this progression.......... never go further then -200. Till then you recover quickly, but after -200 there is a big deep hole.
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 22, 11:10 AM 2015
I tested a few sessions this afternoon, about 80/90 spins each. I don't believe in testing 1000's of spins because nobody plays that long at a table.


Number of spins played.............................session result..........................lowest bankroll during session..................... maximum bet used

100..........................................................+ 43.........................................-25.......................................................12
92.............................................................+ 61.........................................-39......................................................15
91.............................................................+ 45........................................-230......................................................39............ hard session!!
82.............................................................+ 63........................................-9.........................................................7................very easy session!!
80..............................................................+15.........................................-312....................................................32..............also very hard session
88..............................................................+52.........................................-24......................................................13

We are not there yet but I think it has potential.

Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: eddy35 on Apr 22, 03:56 PM 2015
6 more sessions :

97 spins           +50                  -21                    14
87 spins           + 47                 -12                    6
82 spins           + 41                 -21                     10
87 spins           + 19                 -133                  18
82 spins           + 9                   - 505                  50     ( worst session tested )
93 spins           +58                    0                      14

Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: doubledime on Sep 06, 12:01 PM 2015
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 21, 05:32 PM 2015
@Eddy35 - oki thanks.

So eddy, yours is a single dozen system, not a double dozen, correct?
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: GLC on Sep 06, 12:32 PM 2015
Basically you're playing what I call a forced win progression with a small modification when you stay at the same bet size on a win.  Have you thought about dropping back 1 step after 3 wins in a row?  This will slow down the bet size climb and still give you better recovery power than a straight D'Alembert for double dozens.

Although remember my first post on this topic.  There's no best double dozen progression.  You just have to pick one that suits your bankroll and the way you like to play.  Since there's always a run from hell lurking out there somewhere, you just have to have luck on your side to not get bit.

GLC
Title: Re: Best double dozen progression?
Post by: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 02:15 PM 2015
im really curious to see how gr8 progression would fair on 2 dozens at once

1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 1-1
2-2, 2-2, 2-2, 2-2, 2-2
3-3, 3-3, 3-3, 3-3, 3-3
4-4, 4-4, 4-4, 4-4, 4-4
5-5, 5-5, 5-5, 5-5, 5-5

problem is working full time its hard to sit and test strategies

I see you guys spending all day on here and I wish I could because I feel id be doing very well if I could

anyone test gr8 on double dozens?