Found this blog through another forum :
link:://:.targetbetting.blogspot.ca/ (link:://:.targetbetting.blogspot.ca/)
Tons of info. Anyone familiar with this?
Be warned.......huge bankroll needed........1-5000 unit swings :)
That's not a blog; it's a freakin' book.
I looked at this or something similar to it a couple of years ago. The huge bankroll is the big negative as I saw it. It's a very close cousin to a standard martingale but based on a double win instead of a single win. Too risky for my blood.
GLC
Target3-Play progression, nonsense.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 11, 02:26 PM 2015
Target3-Play progression, nonsense.
Agree, there are far better ways to play.
Quote from: foogus on May 12, 07:12 AM 2015
Agree, there are far better ways to play.
Can you make some contributions on the better ways to play
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 12, 07:25 AM 2015
Can you make some contributions on the better ways to play
I was a system believer and some systems do work, but not always. When they fail, unless you are diciplined the failures wipe you out. This is the problem with most gamblers, one failure, wipe out, systems is a failure, not necessarily true, but system is abandoned as a failure.
Now I don't use systems, what I use ALL of us possess, but 99% of us will never use. It can't really be taught, you have to find it yourself, but when you do (if you do) you probably will only use it a for a short while to bet on roulette. If the path to it does not change you, finding it will. So much so that your whole outlook on life will be altered and you won't need to win with roulette anymore.
Complete gobbledegook I know, but that is how it is.
Please, elaborate. Im sure many smart guys on this forum would take heed.
Why not explore RTM (Regresson Towards The Mean)
"Regression toward the mean simply says that, following an extreme random event, the next random event is likely to be less extreme. In no sense does the future event "compensate for" or "even out" the previous event, though this is assumed in the gambler's fallacy (and variant law of averages). Similarly, the law of large numbers states that in the long term, the average will tend towards the expected value, but makes no statement about individual trials. For example, following a run of 10 heads on a flip of a fair coin (a rare, extreme event), regression to the mean states that the next run of heads will likely be less than 10, while the law of large numbers states that in the long term, this event will likely average out, and the average fraction of heads will tend to 1/2. By contrast, the gambler's fallacy incorrectly assumes that the coin is now "due" for a run of tails, to balance out."
Quote from: roversi13 on May 03, 2015, 09:33:16 am
A vietnamise guys are concerned,playing for breaking streaks,but not all streaks,maybe they played only B,for instance,only if B has occurred more than P since the beginning of the shoe(vice versa for P).It's the principle of the Hong Kong method.
Most likely events occuring in clusters or chops.
An old french mathematicians/scientist explained that 50 years ago.
Your feeling is supported by mathematical or statistic theories.
Another theory very well known in trigonometry(the arcsin law - see google) explains why in 20 decisions,for instance,exactly 10 B and 10 P have only 17,5% probabilities to occur.
Many players try to exploit this rule at Baccarat,and it works….in certain conditions.
In the past I've known an old player that played ,not exactly the opposite of the last decision as you said ,but only SINGLES(after PPPB he bets P,in order to have an isolated B)
His theory was:
singles are the double of 2s,that are the double of 3s,that are the double of 4s…….etc
Then the streaks of 50s,are the double of the streaks of 51…..the streaks of 125 are the double of streaks of 126 and so on.
But a player won't never see streaks of 50,51,125,126 or more etc….
It means that singles have a small advantage for compensating very very long streaks that exist,theoretically,but you'll never see.
So a player will see much more singles in his "player life",so play them.
Strange theory??
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 12, 08:30 AM 2015
Please, elaborate. Im sure many smart guys on this forum would take heed.
I agree RouletteGhost, there are many smart people on this forum, many logical thinkers to I expect. Therein lies the problem, you have to overcome or ignore logic and be prepared to see what is not able to be seen. It just is.
What I am talking about takes literally hundreds of hours of practice, most of the practice does not involve roulette, but once applied to roulette only requires betting on one number at a time. When the technique is perfected you will regularly be able to hit each number bet on within 1-4 spins. You will still have failures, but they will be few.
I have told you all I need to tell you. Now you and any others reading will either find it or not. If you don't find it, you were not meant to, simple as that.
Quote from: foogus on May 12, 08:55 AM 2015
I agree RouletteGhost, there are many smart people on this forum, many logical thinkers to I expect. Therein lies the problem, you have to overcome or ignore logic and be prepared to see what is not able to be seen. It just is.
What I am talking about takes literally hundreds of hours of practice, most of the practice does not involve roulette, but once applied to roulette only requires betting on one number at a time. When the technique is perfected you will regularly be able to hit each number bet on within 1-4 spins. You will still have failures, but they will be few.
I have told you all I need to tell you. Now you and any others reading will either find it or not. If you don't find it, you were not meant to, simple as that.
Ok, fair enough.
Was just trying to nudge you to make a contribution. A common theme lately is "newer" members that claim to have beaten the game but will not share the way. Its standard procedure now.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 12, 08:58 AM 2015
Ok, fair enough.
Was just trying to nudge you to make a contribution. A common theme lately is "newer" members that claim to have beaten the game but will not share the way. Its standard procedure now.
You are using
LOGIC RouletteGhost, you will not get it until you
LET that go. Think about it, ask
YOURSELF the
RIGHT question, then
SLEEP on it. Do it every night until you get it. You have the answer
WITHIN, you just have to find it. No one gave me the answer and no one will give you the answer, but if you want it you will find it.
Talk to
YOURSELF, question
YOURSELF, do it right before you go to sleep. Take note of what you find within
YOURSELF when you first wake up.
If you think I am talking nonsense, you have no hope of finding what I am talking about, your
LOGICAL mind is too strong and will always rule.
Quote from: foogus on May 12, 09:16 AM 2015
You are using LOGIC RouletteGhost, you will not get it until you LET that go. Think about it, ask YOURSELF the RIGHT question, then SLEEP on it. Do it every night until you get it. You have the answer WITHIN, you just have to find it. No one gave me the answer and no one will give you the answer, but if you want it you will find it.
Talk to YOURSELF, question YOURSELF, do it right before you go to sleep. Take note of what you find within YOURSELF when you first wake up.
If you think I am talking nonsense, you have no hope of finding what I am talking about, your LOGICAL mind is too strong and will always rule.
Here we go again..........BULLSHIT DETECTOR: HIGH ALERT!!!
Foogus has now offered zero info on how to beat the game.
Falkor, John Legend, and now Foogus.
This is starting to happen at least once-a-week now. This type of response should not be respected with even a follow-up question, as they have nothing to say. What a massive waste of everyone's time >:(
Quote from: foogus on May 12, 09:16 AM 2015
If you think I am talking nonsense, you have no hope of finding what I am talking about, your LOGICAL mind is too strong and will always rule.
I must agree with foogus everything what he said is true, why should I ask him to tell me the solution for roulette? I dont need to, because I think there is only one solution, no two or three and he knows what I talking about :)
Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 12, 10:49 AM 2015
I must agree with foogus everything what he said is true, why should I ask him to tell me the solution for roulette? I dont need to, because I think there is only one solution, no two or three and he knows what I talking about :)
CEH maintained there are 4 bets & I tend to agree with him.......
So we can say foogus has 2 lambos, 3 rolls royce, a big house and is on the blacklist of las vegas because he knows how to blow the bank?
@ RG / Interstate - Hope one day we can all become as intelligent as Foogus ........lol lol :twisted:
"CEH maintained there are 4 bets & I tend to agree with him......."
CEH said he knew of 4 winning bets, but that he was open to the fact that there might be more.
"To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of."
Quote from: Badger on May 12, 04:04 PM 2015
"CEH maintained there are 4 bets & I tend to agree with him......."
CEH said he knew of 4 winning bets, but that he was open to the fact that there might be more.
"To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of."
I'm not saying there isn't more Badger, I'm saying he said 4 bets & I agree.....
O0
Quote from: Interstate89 on May 12, 11:24 AM 2015
So we can say foogus has 2 lambos, 3 rolls royce, a big house and is on the blacklist of las vegas because he knows how to blow the bank?
If I had any of those, I would never be able to do what I can do, materialistic bullshit just messes you up and gets you out of touch with what is important.
I have never been to Vegas or tried to blow the bank, if you try to do that you are GREEDY and will FAIL.
Quote from: Chris555p on May 12, 11:57 AM 2015
@ RG / Interstate - Hope one day we can all become as intelligent as Foogus ........lol lol :twisted:
You don't need to be intelligent, just suspend the logical side of your brain and let the other side tell you what to do. Stick to systems if you can't or don't want to do that.
This forum will have
-the long time posters who always contribute and attempt to brain storm and bring ideas together
-people that come that say they have a grail but the thread gets locked and they leave
-waves of newer posters (currently happening) usually in groups of 3 to 5 who make little comments here and there "theres better ways then that" "or the secret to win is there you just have to look" etc etc but will never mention their strategy or "grail" ...these newer posters are wasting our time but even more sadly wasting their own time.
Should ask them their purpose?
A guy like mumbojumbo who openly stated several days ago he had the trick to beat roulette but couldn't say because he was not allowed to. A guy like that? Why come here? Makes no sense. Boring life, to come and leave tiny remarks. Strange happenings.
I aint got time for it
Adults are here trying to contribute.
Guys like GLC, twocat, notto, and countless others who engage in contributing. Yet these new knuckleheads come here and ruin the forum with their mindless, pointless, neanderthal, philisophocal wannabe remarks.
NOONE i repeat noone as in not a single person here wants to hear "i have the grail but cannot share" or "the answer is there you just have to look" .....waste of time and sad
Old saying from my part of the world.
"Put up or shut up"
My advice to these forum clowns : go away
BAN THEM
Totally agree - Anyone can claim anything......; But if they really had the grail, I'm sure
they would be at the casino making a boat load of $ everyday instead of wasting their time talking
about it in the forum ......lol lol :twisted:
Quote from: foogus on May 12, 06:27 PM 2015
If I had any of those, I would never be able to do what I can do, materialistic bullshit just messes you up and gets you out of touch with what is important.
I have never been to Vegas or tried to blow the bank, if you try to do that you are GREEDY and will FAIL.
Does that mean you are from another dimension? How can you fail if you have a method that works all the time? You are telling us you have the ark of truth and now it can fail? If you have rules in your game thats the same like a system but systems are something for half-brainers like us. Somehow i get confused.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 12, 08:00 PM 2015
-people that come that say they have a grail but the thread gets locked and they leave
That's because of a forum rule I personally don't agree with. People are not allowed to share results and claim things without showing the exact way they play.
Basically everyone agreed in old threads, that if one would found a HG, the last thing would he do is share it on the forum. You said it yourself not so long ago, that you don't want guest reading the forum get all the information they need to make easy money using someone's idea who worked years or decades on it.
I wouldn't mind seeing actual results, and proofs of others' winnings. I want to see it's possible, so I'd know it's worth pursuing the dream.
I could also say foogus or Mumbo are full of sh., but I would give them a chance. I don't care if they don't share the system, just show some transaction records, video of live play, etc.
RG want to BAN me, ati want to give me a chance, I know that some day you RG will apologize to me and foogus with big smile on your face and I will say " never mind" thats the life. My question to all others is do they really want me to leave or to stay?
I give foogus the point that the solution could be something without much logic. The problem is that one day the light came down to him and now he has something bigger than roulette. He doesnt want to play roulette and he sounds like somebody who wants to teach us to leave the casinos and to live our life.
He has a method which hits every number bet between 1 to 4 spins (now thats crazy enough) but he doesnt play roulette. So what is his mission in this forum?
Quote from: Interstate89 on May 13, 04:33 AM 2015
He has a method which hits every number bet between 1 to 4 spins (now thats crazy enough) but he doesnt play roulette. So what is his mission in this forum?
The way it is done IS thought of as completely crazy, so much so that at one time Loony Bins were full of such people...they were only thought of as crazy by those who can't YET do it or are scared to try, and yes I do play roulette.
As for my mission, sorry I couldn't help you. To the ones I did help, good luck.
Proper funny fogus lol, i think you are part of a select club of people who ALL think you have it, but never share, or come close to sharing, so you all think and hope you have and are using the same soloution, wouldnt it be funny if you revealed and it turned out to be a system from 100 years ago lol, how silly would you look then. I make big money playing roulette but i am not a gambler, i treat it as a job with money management and sometimes i do have the attitude of 'no guts no glory' and it has failed me on rare occasions, fortunately my wins still amount to a profit over losses.
I like ati's idea. Show us a video of you playing foogus or mumbo. You dont have to explain anything, you dont have to even answer questions about said video but it would actually add a modicum of weight to what is otherwise just pointless bragging. Or if you want give real support and ideas to allow people to work it out.
Put it this way, if you have the grail. Do something with it, by that i mean something positive. Win money, give a bunch to charity, you could set up a TEAM of players that would all agree to give 70% of their winnings to worthy causes and still earn enough to make a living from roulette.
By that I dont mean some massive charity, i mean proper local ones that really effect peoples lives in your suburb/city/town etc. For gods sake you could wander into a casino walk out an hour later and give a random person in the street a grand. Drop it in a mothers pram. Sh.. give it to a bum if you wanted. Who cares if it dissipated up their arm within a couple of days. That instant of giving and the total surprise from the recipient, that moment of what amounts to potential life changing choices for that person. That act would resonate, would mean something.
If someone did any of that they would be a legend. They would actually be giving to the world, trying to improve what is frankly a bloo..y mess. They would be setting an example that would be worthy to follow and emulate. I'd respect someone that did that, as i would respect people that seem to genuinely want to interact with others in an open and honest way.
It takes a real man/woman to want to improve the lives of people they dont even know and cant even understand. If either of you had the real 'grail', the ability to literally ransack a casino if you choose you could do that if you wanted to. Your choice. This could get very philosophical which is always fun but foogus let me put it like this.
Thats my 2c
bck
ps
You say you have to look within yourself, find this thing etc. I think I may know what you are getting at but let me use an analogy.
Discribing the inside of a black hole to someone is useless if they did not even know what a black hole is, especially if its through no fault of their own. Without context your description contains nothing that could even help them to understand your points. So provide context. If what you say has genuine merit, then allow that to be seen.
lol hits one number between 1 and 4 spins.ok well prove it then .play on dublin bet free play.they spin every 30 seconds or less.so a 5 minute video on there of your play will show us the proof..Just show everybody from you live recording clip,that you are playing one number per spin and that you are hitting one number between 1 and 4 spins.Just use the video on your phone then upload it to you tube.Simple.
Bear in mind, foogus, mumbo, petespin, giorgis all popped up around the same time and all have the same message.
Quote from: moles40 on May 20, 08:42 AM 2015
lol hits one number between 1 and 4 spins.ok well prove it then .play on dublin bet free play.they spin every 30 seconds or less.so a 5 minute video on there of your play will show us the proof..Just show everybody from you live recording clip,that you are playing one number per spin and that you are hitting one number between 1 and 4 spins.Just use the video on your phone then upload it to you tube.Simple.
You're asking way too much!
still we wait.wait for nothing
You can talk the talk, can you walk the talk"
Quote from: moles40 on May 20, 08:42 AM 2015
lol hits one number between 1 and 4 spins.ok well prove it then .play on dublin bet free play.they spin every 30 seconds or less.so a 5 minute video on there of your play will show us the proof..Just show everybody from you live recording clip,that you are playing one number per spin and that you are hitting one number between 1 and 4 spins.Just use the video on your phone then upload it to you tube.Simple.
This is probably what is being done:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-1bZ4OAldw (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-1bZ4OAldw)
Quote from: nowun on May 21, 07:27 AM 2015
This is probably what is being done:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-1bZ4OAldw (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=f-1bZ4OAldw)
i mean a real live roulette wheel at a casino not a childs r oulette wheel .what is this junk he talking about lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 12, 08:00 PM 2015
This forum will have
-the long time posters who always contribute and attempt to brain storm and bring ideas together
-people that come that say they have a grail but the thread gets locked and they leave
-waves of newer posters (currently happening) usually in groups of 3 to 5 who make little comments here and there "theres better ways then that" "or the secret to win is there you just have to look" etc etc but will never mention their strategy or "grail" ...these newer posters are wasting our time but even more sadly wasting their own time.
Should ask them their purpose?
A guy like mumbojumbo who openly stated several days ago he had the trick to beat roulette but couldn't say because he was not allowed to. A guy like that? Why come here? Makes no sense. Boring life, to come and leave tiny remarks. Strange happenings.
I aint got time for it
Adults are here trying to contribute.
Guys like GLC, twocat, notto, and countless others who engage in contributing. Yet these new knuckleheads come here and ruin the forum with their mindless, pointless, neanderthal, philisophocal wannabe remarks.
NOONE i repeat noone as in not a single person here wants to hear "i have the grail but cannot share" or "the answer is there you just have to look" .....waste of time and sad
Old saying from my part of the world.
"Put up or shut up"
My advice to these forum clowns : go away
BAN THEM
-----------------------------------
Well said. I'm very much in favor of the ban!
Its annoying and disrespectful to use this "I'm above you all" tactic.
why even bother post "i've got it!" if you are unwilling to disclose what you know?
vundarosa
perhaps this is it
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Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
« Reply #134 on: January 22, 2014, 01:17:20 PM »
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Quote from: Azim on January 19, 2014, 10:43:59 PM
Winkel,
Would you have played this any different>
Sp Nm W/L =0 =1 >1 =2 >2 Adv bet = BRoll
- - 37 0 0 0 0 0
1 1 36 1
2 2 35 2
3 0 34 3
4 1 34 2 1 1
5 6 33 3 1 1
6 19 32 4 1 1
7 14 31 5 1 1
8 27 30 6 1 1
9 36 29 7 1 1
10 33 28 8 1 1
11 21 27 9 1 1
12 12 26 10 1 1
13 18 25 11 1 1
14 33 25 10 2 2
15 22 24 11 2 2
16 29 23 12 2 2
17 33 23 12 2 1 1
18 14 23 11 3 2 1
19 10 22 12 3 2 1
20 20 21 13 3 2 1
21 34 20 14 3 2 1
22 1 20 14 3 1 2
23 5 19 15 3 1 2
24 28 18 16 3 1 2
25 18 18 15 4 2 2 =2: 14 18 2 -2
26 3 L 17 16 4 2 2 =0: 4 7 8 9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35 17 -19
27 18 L 17 16 4 1 3 =0: 4 7 8 9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35 17 -36
28 12 L 17 15 5 2 3 -36
29 10 17 14 6 3 3 =2: 10 12 14 3 -39
30 0 L 17 13 7 4 3 =2: 0 10 12 14 4 -43
31 2 L 17 12 8 5 3 -43
32 16 16 13 8 5 3
33 21 16 12 9 6 3
34 21 16 12 9 5 4 =2: 0 2 10 12 14 5 -48
35 32 L 15 13 9 5 4 =2: 0 2 10 12 14 5 -53
36 6 L 15 12 10 6 4 -53
37 18 15 12 10 6 4
38 31 14 13 10 6 4 =0: 4 7 8 9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35 14 -67
39 36 L 14 12 11 7 4 =1: 3 5 16 19 20 22 27 28 29 31 32 34 12 -79
40 19 W 14 11 12 8 4 -43
41 33 14 11 12 8 4
42 8 13 12 12 8 4 =0: 4 7 9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35 13 -56
43 30 W 12 13 12 8 4 =1: 3 5 8 16 20 22 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 13 -33
44 28 W 12 12 13 9 4 =0: 4 7 9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35 12 -9
45 6 L 12 12 13 8 5 =0: 4 7 9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35 12 -21
46 34 L 12 11 14 9 5 =0: 4 7 9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35 12 -33
47 17 W 11 12 14 9 5 +3
48 15 10 13 14 9 5 =0: 4 7 9 11 13 23 24 25 26 35 10 -7
49 36 L 10 13 14 8 6 -7
50 31 * End of Session
I studied and used Winkel's GUT for a number of years back when it was first being written about. Alarian's Tracker 022B and Track4 were the main trackers I used and had a very good run. Unforunately ill health stopped me gambling for quite a while and I have only just got back into it.
Azim I would have played it the way it has been played there with a stop-loss of 100 units. I have seen so many sessions dip into the red big time then suddenly come out of or close to it near the end of the session.
Winkel, I have thanked you before in the past on other boards, but I will again thank you for this gift you have bestowed on us. It is very unfortunate that not everyone sees it for what it is if they put in the time.
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The ideas on this board are like rough gems, they just need discovering and polishing.
Ban every swingin' dick who says they have ANY kind of idea they won't share!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 29, 12:22 PM 2015
Ban every swingin' dick who says they have ANY kind of idea they won't share!
Ken? >:D
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 29, 12:22 PM 2015
Ban every swingin' dick who says they have ANY kind of idea they won't share!
Quote from: ati on May 29, 02:23 PM 2015
Ken? >:D
like it
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 29, 12:22 PM 2015
Ban every swingin' dick who says they have ANY kind of idea they won't share!
lately theres been a lot of dick swingin
u think they understand the american terminology?
Strange how we are always saying: "SHOW US YOUR PROOF......SHOW YOUR WORK.......WE WANT DETAILS!!!".
So the first post of this thread is a guy with an entire blog claiming the grail and showing his work; not just a few examples, but hundreds.
Our response................."bankroll needed is too high!".
I'm starting to wonder if we really want the grail, or just a place to vent.
Has anyone actually tried his system (have yet to see someone refute his data)?
So now we don't just want a system that works, but one that works conditionally.
delte
Quote from: thelaw on May 29, 07:01 PM 2015
Strange how we are always saying: "SHOW US YOUR PROOF......SHOW YOUR WORK.......WE WANT DETAILS!!!".
So the first post of this thread is a guy with an entire blog claiming the grail and showing his work; not just a few examples, but hundreds.
Our response................."bankroll needed is too high!".
I'm starting to wonder if we really want the grail, or just a place to vent.
Has anyone actually tried his system (have yet to see someone refute his data)?
So now we don't just want a system that works, but one that works conditionally.
no our beef was not with the original poster but this fogus guy who claimed he can hit one number every 4 spins.but he never offered proof just a waste of everybodys time