What is your definition of a Holy Grail, is it winning 100% of the time regardless of amount, is it winning 99/100 sessions and coming out ahead, is it 10 or 100 units a day, regardless.
The holy grail concept should be individual to us all and our circumstances and what we want and require in life. It should also be realistic, but what is realistic 50,100,200 units a day. Your thoughts.
A good system imo should win seven out of eight sessions the first
eight games and have a lifetime hit-rate of +80% (say over 500+ spins)
Grail? A bettor is going to have the 'session from hell' from time to time.
(if you get somewhat close to breaking even that's a good day)
VLS: A "Grail" should return your investment plus one unit.
Now.........
He never said how often! Doing that once an hour is great; once a year--not so hot.
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 19, 02:58 PM 2015
VLS: A "Grail" should return your investment plus one unit.
Now.........
He never said how often! Doing that once an hour is great; once a year--not so hot.
Samster
Ok so thats what he said, what do you say, 1 unit a hour considered good... really.... :-\
To me the grail is winning 15 units per day consistently.
Quote from: Chris555p on May 19, 03:27 PM 2015
To me the grail is winning 15 units per day consistently.
So i assume you hit that, therfor you have the grail
Yes
Quote from: Chris555p on May 19, 03:38 PM 2015
Yes
Great, well done, i also think i have the grail, for me anyway, just a funny question to ask as to some the grail is what brings down the casino, but why individually do we need to do that, we don't.
tezza
If you had the "Grail", that would mean you would never lose. Is that right or wrong?
If you would never lose, how much would you bet? What would your unit be?
However, you are correct. One unit per hour is silly. Sometimes my reasoning just leaves me.
Sam
It's stupid to think in units. A unit size can be anything, and the number of units can be won in a given time, depends on the system. 100 units win for an outside EC bet system is a great achievement, 100 units win on less than 10 number bets is not a big deal.
To me, the HG would be a system that can be played professionally with no other source of income, and without having a risk of going broke or just breaking even long term.
roulette holy grail definition is to have a steady income every month, it doesnt matter if its 1000e or 100e , but it needs to be disclipined , finally if u wake up every morning knowing u ll earn lets say 50e thats the holy grail . :wink: cheers pete
tezza
ati called you stupid! You gonna let that stand?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 05:19 AM 2015
tezza
ati called you stupid! You gonna let that stand?
Sam
Lol did he, i thought he said 'its stupid to think in units' and i can kinda agree, you play 10p chips and get it to £10 is the same as playing with £1 chips and getting it to £100, difference being, a bigger starting BR needed and bigger balls of steel lol. I find it baffling that people want to start with as low a bet they can all the time, just think if you can turn £10 in to £100, would you rather not turn £100 in to £1000, its the same thing.
For me a holy grail would be a simple system that you can play automatically like a robot without too much thinking and no personal decisions are made.
it must win in the long term with a nice profit and normal drawdowns.
Bu I don't think a system like that exists.
Quote from: tezza12 on May 20, 05:41 AM 2015
Lol did he, i thought he said 'its stupid to think in units' and i can kinda agree, you play 10p chips and get it to £10 is the same as playing with £1 chips and getting it to £100, difference being, a bigger starting BR needed and bigger balls of steel lol. I find it baffling that people want to start with as low a bet they can all the time, just think if you can turn £10 in to £100, would you rather not turn £100 in to £1000, its the same thing.
That's easier said than done. :) You can never be sure enough. Last week I won 1500 units, but 1 unit was only 5 cent, so that's not enough to pay the bills. Now I wish I played with 1 euro units instead... But I don't want to risk a bigger roll, every time I did, I lost my sanity and all the money.
Quote from: CocaVillaLaNoche on May 20, 08:02 AM 2015
For me a holy grail would be a simple system that you can play automatically like a robot without too much thinking and no personal decisions are made.
it must win in the long term with a nice profit and normal drawdowns.
Bu I don't think a system like that exists.
Sounds a bit lazy to me, wanting a bot to do it for you, i wanted a bot a short while ago, but now, id never go near one, id rather sit in my pj's, work for 2-3 hours and earn that profit, anything over £7 an hour long term has to be seen as a success as thats already more than minimum wage in the uk lol
Quote from: ati on May 20, 08:25 AM 2015
That's easier said than done. :) You can never be sure enough. Last week I won 1500 units, but 1 unit was only 5 cent, so that's not enough to pay the bills. Now I wish I played with 1 euro units instead... But I don't want to risk a bigger roll, every time I did, I lost my sanity and all the money.
i was like that for a long while, it takes a lot of mental strength to jump the BR
I wasn't really talking about a bot more that if you play a system and follow the rules exactly each time you become a robot. ^^
a holy grail in that way I don't think it exists.
For me a true holy grail is good MM, self control, discipline and a system without stupid high progressions like martingale combined with personal choice (i.e when to raise bets, stop, wait a few spins, stop/loss ect.)
like tezza12 reply
if you can make the minimun wage rate doing something you like, for the smallest unit, each hour, perfect.
To me, a grail would have to provide a comfortable living.
well, for some of u u didnt feel that thing , i used to live that way long ago but this was happened from slots not roulette , for about 3 years every day woke up and thinking how mucxh needed that day and done it , iam talking about not less than 500e per day and many times over 2000e per day , nowdays i have to move away from my base to go in a casino , so i play only live dealer from internet. but that kind of living coz are easy earned money spend it like water, atleast this is what happened with me and for some guys i know did the same [my team].
Tessa
Gut, just now 1hour 10 £15.80 better than minimum wage :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 21, 02:39 PM 2015
Tessa
Gut, just now 1hour 10 £15.80 better than minimum wage :thumbsup:
Good on ya :)