A system I've been toying with - I've attached a pdf for easier reading - it doesnt display quite right below...
9 boxes
This system splits the cloth into 9 boxes as follows:
Box #1 â€" 1, 4, 7, 10
Box #2 â€" 2, 5, 8, 11
Box #3 â€" 3, 6, 9, 12
Box #4 â€" 13, 16, 19, 22
Box #5 â€" 14, 17, 20, 23
Box #6 â€" 15, 18, 21, 24
Box #7 â€" 25, 28, 31, 34
Box #8 â€" 26, 29, 32, 35
Box #9 â€" 27, 30, 33, 36
I use the following scorecard in Excel and it auto counts the spins:
3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30 33 36
2 5 8 11 14 17 20 23 26 29 32 35
1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 34
SPINS
0
So the top part is obviously the cloth and the bottom part is where I mark a ‘1’ every time a particular box is hit â€" within a 37 spin cycle. But we never get that far into a round as we win before spin 37.
Trigger â€" when a box has 4 hits it becomes active and you should bet on it â€" two splits, flat bet the four numbers or bet the dozen they are in. You could start with a parachute of some sort then focus in on the box.
Obviously as more boxes are hit 4 times you bet them too. So the scenario we don’t want is loads of boxes being triggered.
A win occurs when you get a fifth hit on one of the nine boxes.
The rationale behind this is you are highly unlikely to get the following spread of hits in 36 spins:
3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30 33 36
2 5 8 11 14 17 20 23 26 29 32 35
1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 34
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
SPINS 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
36 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Testing
Using actuals from a file called Dublinbet 4k â€" I got it from VLS roulette forum if I remember correctly - I have tested 361 rounds of 37 spins (13k spins).
For what it’s worth I did the averages in Excel on the 361 tests and:
Average triggers (4 hits) = 26 spins
Average hit/win = 29 spins
Of the tests, the perfect hit pattern above didn’t occur - so ‘theoretically’ all 361 were winners.
I haven’t used real money yet, I don’t have a big enough bank roll, just been using Excel and fun money to practice.
If someone wants to post me some actual numbers, I am happy to run through an example game.
Edved77
When You hit/win split , reset the numbers , starting new searching the triggers with new numbers?
The 361 tests I refer to were done in Excel with rounds of 37 spins.
In reality, as soon as you get your win (a fifth hit on one box), you don't have to see it through to spin 37, just restart tracking from scratch - you can go back a few numbers on the history board to speed things up. Either way doesnt seem to change the pattern of outcome.
I hope that's clear? Send me some live numbers and I can run through a test and we can see what happens.
I know it works in short time, but as we find that some triggers can collapse into sleep, we lose previously earned profits.
I played 5 sessions Yours way in Dublinbet I finished +50 units.
Hi edved77,
Thanks for sharing, like your avatar :)
This seems really straight forward to play, for myself anyway, and therefore, I like it, it's funny how certain ways suit players, and not others...I did a quick test this morning, just a couple of games, lot more testing required. The second game was straight forward, got my first box to bet after spin 18, and it won on spin 20, didn't have to bet more than the 1 box, my first game was quite different, first box to bet after spin 21, won on spin 29, however, I was betting 4 boxes on the final spin, using a progression (divisor 1/35, max bet was 2 units on 16 numbers) this finished in the plus (+4), if I hadn't used the progression it would have finished -20. Another way to play this could be to just bet the first box to hit 4 times until it gets a fifth hit, or, possibly no more than 2, not sure, I'm just putting it out there??
Regarding tracking, just a thought, once a game is won/finished, you could simply go through your first 10-15 numbers, and score of the relevant marks on your table, should be pretty straightforward to do if using old fashioned pen & paper :), meaning you should be betting again fairly quickly, or, as you say you can use the board.
Jim
I wait only for one hit ,then reset numbers and starting new session with new numbers.
Thanks Jim and Ozon, some useful help and info there.
How does the 1/35 divisor work?
What methods do you two prefer to use?
Hi edved,
Here is link to the divisor method link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13574.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13574.0)
I'll try and summarise how I use it, I think it's the correct way :)...take the odds of 1/35 for your bets if betting individual numbers, now, 1 into 35 is less than 1, therefore, your first bet is 1 unit per number, using your box method, this is a total of 4 units if betting the 1 box, ok, we lose, we now add 4 units to the 1/35, making it 5/35, 5 into 35 is still less than 1, again 1 unit on each number, say another box it to be bet, meaning we are betting a total of 8 units, this looses, and the 8 to the 5, now making it 13/35, again 13/35 is still one, another box comes into play, we are now betting 12 units, this looses, we are now 25/35, again still 1, bet the 3 boxes again as none have come into play, this looses, it's now 37/35, now 37 goes into 35 more than 1, therefore, we increase our bet to 2 units per number, betting 3 boxes again, this is now 24 units, making 61/35, this greater than 1, although, less than 2, still betting 2 units on the numbers, let’s say another box is to be bet making it 4, this is now 32 units to bet, this looses, we now have 93/35, greater than2 less that 3, bet is now 3 units per number, 4 boxes this is 48 units per number, ok, we now get a win of 60 units subtract the 60 from the 93, this gives us 33/35 for our new game, as this is less than 1 we start of betting 1 units per number again, however, you will move to 2 units in the next bet as this would be 37/35, which is greater than 1. Any time we get in the plus we reset the divisor to 1/35. I understand there are other elements to it regarding a safety break if bets are getting 2 high, however, I’ve not quite got my head round this yet....
1/35 loose 4, next bet 5/35 (1 unit per number)
5/35 loose 4, next bet 9/35 (1 unit per number)
9/35 loose 4, next bet 13/35 (1 unit per number), now betting 2 boxes
13/35 loose 8, next bet 21/35 (1 unit per number), now betting 3 boxes
21/35 loose 12....and so
Like any progression it can get scary, however, if you have a good system and BR, I'm led to believe this can pull through.
Regarding what I play, I have to be honest, I jump from system to system instead of sticking to several tried and tested methods, my bad. There are some excellent posters on the forum with great ideas, and I’m sure you’ll find one to suit your play. Check out the members who have regularly posted a lot over the years, and you’ll come across some nuggets. I’m currently playing a version of Mr J’s 2’s company and a couple of methods from member Dane. I’ve also been looking at a topic called 8 is great, search the forum and you’ll find it.
I hope this helps, any more questions, feel free to ask either on the thread, or, via PM.
Jim
The biggest asset of the Divisor Method is that if it gets too high, then you can just add equal units to the divisor and keep going.
Check the link in the last post for details.
I'm surprised more people don't use it regularly.
Hi the law,
This is where I get slightly lost with divisor....
Ok, let's say I'm sitting at 215/35, meaning my next bet would be 7, and, I want to bring this down, would all I have to do, for example, is add, say, 60 to both numbers, now giving me 275/95, meaning my bet would now be 3?
Jim
Hi edved77
I would appreciate if you could play this method with the attached spins.
Thanks
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 18, 06:19 PM 2015
Hi the law,
This is where I get slightly lost with divisor....
Ok, let's say I'm sitting at 215/35, meaning my next bet would be 7, and, I want to bring this down, would all I have to do, for example, is add, say, 60 to both numbers, now giving me 275/95, meaning my bet would now be 3?
Jim
ok, so here is my understanding :
10/10 (goal in units/divisor)
so our bet would be 1 unit...
Now, let's say that that we have a ton of losses and we are at 30/8 and we don't want to exceed 5 unit bet (which would happen if we lost again and resulted in 34/8), so we add 3 units to each side and get (33/11).
We now need to win 11 units instead of 8. The only problem with this method is eventually it becomes Martingale if we don't add more wins needed to continue.
In theory, you could go on forever. This is particularly effective if you are expecting a handful of wins.
***Please note that I always round up to the next largest number instead of using decimals***
Does that make sense?
Quote from: shuttle on Jun 18, 07:32 PM 2015
Hi edved77
I would appreciate if you could play this method with the attached spins.
Thanks
Hello - I've attached your excel sheet with the results -
- I've marked the triggers (T) and the wins (W)
- you bet every box that gets 4 hits until one of them gets a fifth hit
- in the attached, after I win I just start from scratch, rather than track back
- Ignore zeros
So these spins worked out nicely, no problems.
The only thing I haven't included is what to bet. I'm still not 100% the best way to do this. Some good ideas in this thread about the 1/35 divisor method. Or you could bet the two splits in each box.
Does the attached help?
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 18, 03:52 PM 2015
Hi edved,
Here is link to the divisor method link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13574.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13574.0)
I'll try and summarise how I use it, I think it's the correct way :)...take the odds of 1/35 for your bets if betting individual numbers, now, 1 into 35 is less than 1, therefore, your first bet is 1 unit per number, using your box method, this is a total of 4 units if betting the 1 box, ok, we lose, we now add 4 units to the 1/35, making it 5/35, 5 into 35 is still less than 1, again 1 unit on each number, say another box it to be bet, meaning we are betting a total of 8 units, this looses, and the 8 to the 5, now making it 13/35, again 13/35 is still one, another box comes into play, we are now betting 12 units, this looses, we are now 25/35, again still 1, bet the 3 boxes again as none have come into play, this looses, it's now 37/35, now 37 goes into 35 more than 1, therefore, we increase our bet to 2 units per number, betting 3 boxes again, this is now 24 units, making 61/35, this greater than 1, although, less than 2, still betting 2 units on the numbers, let’s say another box is to be bet making it 4, this is now 32 units to bet, this looses, we now have 93/35, greater than2 less that 3, bet is now 3 units per number, 4 boxes this is 48 units per number, ok, we now get a win of 60 units subtract the 60 from the 93, this gives us 33/35 for our new game, as this is less than 1 we start of betting 1 units per number again, however, you will move to 2 units in the next bet as this would be 37/35, which is greater than 1. Any time we get in the plus we reset the divisor to 1/35. I understand there are other elements to it regarding a safety break if bets are getting 2 high, however, I’ve not quite got my head round this yet....
1/35 loose 4, next bet 5/35 (1 unit per number)
5/35 loose 4, next bet 9/35 (1 unit per number)
9/35 loose 4, next bet 13/35 (1 unit per number), now betting 2 boxes
13/35 loose 8, next bet 21/35 (1 unit per number), now betting 3 boxes
21/35 loose 12....and so
Like any progression it can get scary, however, if you have a good system and BR, I'm led to believe this can pull through.
Regarding what I play, I have to be honest, I jump from system to system instead of sticking to several tried and tested methods, my bad. There are some excellent posters on the forum with great ideas, and I’m sure you’ll find one to suit your play. Check out the members who have regularly posted a lot over the years, and you’ll come across some nuggets. I’m currently playing a version of Mr J’s 2’s company and a couple of methods from member Dane. I’ve also been looking at a topic called 8 is great, search the forum and you’ll find it.
I hope this helps, any more questions, feel free to ask either on the thread, or, via PM.
Jim
Hi Jim,
Thanks for taking the time to provide that detailed explanation! This is very interesting and I will certainly be looking into this now especially with the 9 boxes method.
Will also check out the systems you mention by other members.
Edved
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 18, 08:34 PM 2015
ok, so here is my understanding :
10/10 (goal in units/divisor)
so our bet would be 1 unit...
Now, let's say that that we have a ton of losses and we are at 30/8 and we don't want to exceed 5 unit bet (which would happen if we lost again and resulted in 34/8), so we add 3 units to each side and get (33/11).
We now need to win 11 units instead of 8. The only problem with this method is eventually it becomes Martingale if we don't add more wins needed to continue.
In theory, you could go on forever. This is particularly effective if you are expecting a handful of wins.
***Please note that I always round up to the next largest number instead of using decimals***
Does that make sense?
Ah, ok, the way you’ve described it, is how I would use the divisor for EC bets, again, I wasn’t sure how the safety break worked in this scenario either, let me make sure I’ve got this right, I’ll start off with 10/10 betting EC’s, I see you round up as soon you get a decimal i.e. 1.1 becomes 2, I’m aware you can play it where you don’t round up until th decimal is .5 i.e. 1.1 remains at 1, 1.6 would be 2....
10/10, bet 1, lose -1, BR -1
11/10, bet 2, lose -2, BR -3 (now we add 2 to the 11)
13/10, bet 2, win +2, BR -1 (now we take the 2 of the 13, and reduce the 10 to 9 as its a x1 payout?)
11/9, again still 2, lose -2, BR -3
13/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -5
15/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -7
17/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -9
19/9, now bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/9, bet 3, win +3, BR -9
19/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -15
25/8, now bet 4, lose -4, BR -19
29/8, ok, if we lose this bet would now become 5, and say this is to high, increase both sides by, say 4, I’ve now got 33/12, bet would be 3...
33/12, bet 3, win +3, BR -16
29/11, bet 3, win +3, BR-13
26/10, bet 3, win +3, BR -10
..and so on...
The above example is quite extreme, I would have probably have quit and started over when I got to -15, however, I’m hoping this means I now have an understanding of the safety break!!! Here is a link to playing the divisor for EC’s in an almost similar way link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3731.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3731.0)
Regarding the way I’ve used the divisor for the box method would you use it any differently, or, could you maybe start with something like, say 35/105, and if I get a win at some point 105 would reduce to 70, anytime I’m in a plus balance, simply start over?
@edved, sorry for kind of high jacking your thread.....you mentioned betting the 4 numbers with splits, this could also be used with the divisor, in this case starting of at 1/17, after loss it would be 3/17, etc. not as much BR required, however, returns are less.
As thelaw quite rightly mentioned, I don't know why more people don't look at this as a progression....
Jim
Hi edved
Thanks for the worked example, that answers my question.
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 19, 03:20 AM 2015
Ah, ok, the way you’ve described it, is how I would use the divisor for EC bets, again, I wasn’t sure how the safety break worked in this scenario either, let me make sure I’ve got this right, I’ll start off with 10/10 betting EC’s, I see you round up as soon you get a decimal i.e. 1.1 becomes 2, I’m aware you can play it where you don’t round up until th decimal is .5 i.e. 1.1 remains at 1, 1.6 would be 2....
10/10, bet 1, lose -1, BR -1
11/10, bet 2, lose -2, BR -3 (now we add 2 to the 11)
13/10, bet 2, win +2, BR -1 (now we take the 2 of the 13, and reduce the 10 to 9 as its a x1 payout?)
11/9, again still 2, lose -2, BR -3
13/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -5
15/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -7
17/9, bet 2, lose -2, BR -9
19/9, now bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/9, bet 3, win +3, BR -9
19/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -12
22/8, bet 3, lose -3, BR -15
25/8, now bet 4, lose -4, BR -19
29/8, ok, if we lose this bet would now become 5, and say this is to high, increase both sides by, say 4, I’ve now got 33/12, bet would be 3...
33/12, bet 3, win +3, BR -16
29/11, bet 3, win +3, BR-13
26/10, bet 3, win +3, BR -10
..and so on...
The above example is quite extreme, I would have probably have quit and started over when I got to -15, however, I’m hoping this means I now have an understanding of the safety break!!! Here is a link to playing the divisor for EC’s in an almost similar way link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3731.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3731.0)
Regarding the way I’ve used the divisor for the box method would you use it any differently, or, could you maybe start with something like, say 35/105, and if I get a win at some point 105 would reduce to 70, anytime I’m in a plus balance, simply start over?
@edved, sorry for kind of high jacking your thread.....you mentioned betting the 4 numbers with splits, this could also be used with the divisor, in this case starting of at 1/17, after loss it would be 3/17, etc. not as much BR required, however, returns are less.
As thelaw quite rightly mentioned, I don't know why more people don't look at this as a progression....
Jim
Can you send me a W/L record for a moderate sized game (whatever you would bet in one sitting)? Then I can see what the best option would be for the starting numbers.
The main reason that people don't use it is the Marti aspect, as eventually most strategies lead to several losses possible in a row.
Hi thelaw,
I'll PM you, as I don't want to deviate from the main topic of the thread...
Jim
feel free to include it here, I'd be interested to see this.
I remember a catch the 8 train method and you could use something similar here - catch the 5 train - so you are tracking the boxes with 1 hit (ive seen all 9 hit once though), then 2 hits, then 3 hits, then 4 then 5 -end of. Or start from 3, then 4, then 5. I might have to try that.
@edved, thanks for letting me post the following on your thread.
@thelaw, here is a real WL reg, I hope it's enough, sods law, it was a good session, I was playing this, which I think is a pretty good EC system (thanks BW :thumbsup:) link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15162.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15162.0)
w w w lll w lw lw lw w w w w w w lw w w lw
Jim
Hey Jimmie,
Just to clarify the strategy :
Loss = -2 (2 splits)
Win = +16 (betting on 2 splits = +17-1=16)
Is this correct?
Also, the link that you posted is for a double-street system-I'm confused???
I assumed your w/L would look like :
llllllwlllwllllwlwllllllwlwlllw
What am I missing?
Hi thelaw,
Misunderstanding on my part, in one of your previous posts when you mentioned a divisor of 10/10, I though you were wanting to show an EC WL reg, as this is a typical divisor for this type of bet, my bad, sorry...
Ok, here is an actual WL reg from a 9 box game I played, it was only 46 spins (about an hours worth of play with a live dealer at Celtic Casino), however, I had 4 games within those 46 spins, as when I get a win I score of the first 10 spins and corresponding lines in my table for that game,meaning games come around fairly quickly, also helps, in theory with your win rate per spin/time etc., and yes I would be betting the splits, the results are as follows, the numbers are the amount of boxes I was betting.
L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
W
1
L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4
L W
1 1
Jim
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 21, 05:19 AM 2015
Hi thelaw,
Misunderstanding on my part, in one of your previous posts when you mentioned a divisor of 10/10, I though you were wanting to show an EC WL reg, as this is a typical divisor for this type of bet, my bad, sorry...
Ok, here is an actual WL reg from a 9 box game I played, it was only 46 spins (about an hours worth of play with a live dealer at Celtic Casino), however, I had 4 games within those 46 spins, as when I get a win I score of the first 10 spins and corresponding lines in my table for that game,meaning games come around fairly quickly, also helps, in theory with your win rate per spin/time etc., and yes I would be betting the splits, the results are as follows, the numbers are the amount of boxes I was betting.
L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
W
1
L L L L L L L L L W
1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4
L W
1 1
Jim
It looks like your system above is working pretty well. Why add the divisor method? It seems like it would only
Has it run out of control yet? What are the most losses you've seen before a win?
Just ran my first test on Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2 and had a section sleep for 26 spins, but also had 3 other sectors hit within that time at spin 9, spin 3, and spin 5, so an overall loss if flat betting.
Unless we can be confident that a sector will not sleep, or have a good stop-loss, a progression looks very dangerous.
Hi thelaw,
I haven't tested much yet, will be doing more, as I mentioned in a previous post, personally, I like this system as it quite suits how I play.
Regarding the small sample that I posted, flat betting, I would be -6 after the 4 games, game 1 -8, game 2 +16, game 3 -28, and game 4 +14, LDD is game 3 -38 units
Using a divisor of 1/17 for the 4 games, game 1 +8, highest bet 2 units per split (8 units), divisor reset for game 2, +16, game 3 -22, highest bet 4 units per split (32 units), game 4 divisor started at 23/17, +28 units won, highest bet 2 units per split, total after the 4 games 30 units after 46 spins, LDD came in game 3, -62 units.
Having checked the excel attachment is one of edved's previous posts, I think the 1/17 divisor would have been fine as well, as game 1 won on the 12th spin, 2 boxes bet, game 2 won on the 1st spin, game 3 won on the 8th spin, 3 boxes bet, game 4 won on the 4th spin 2 boxes bet.
Jim
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 10:37 AM 2015
Just ran my first test on Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2 and had a section sleep for 26 spins, but also had 3 other sectors hit within that time at spin 9, spin 3, and spin 5, so an overall loss if flat betting.
Unless we can be confident that a sector will not sleep, or have a good stop-loss, a progression looks very dangerous.
Hi thelaw
I just ran some tests on the same spielbank file - see attached for how I got on. The headline results are:
Betting every box that gets 4 hits until a box gets a fifth hit - within a 37 spin cycle.
Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2
TOTAL SPINS 270
WINS 7
MOST SPINS IN GAME 31
LEAST SPINS IN GAME 14
MOST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME 4
LEAST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME 1
I havent worked out what progression I would have used yet - so will add this to the attached file when I get a moment.
edved77
Quote from: JimmieB on Jun 21, 12:40 PM 2015
Hi thelaw,
I haven't tested much yet, will be doing more, as I mentioned in a previous post, personally, I like this system as it quite suits how I play.
Regarding the small sample that I posted, flat betting, I would be -6 after the 4 games, game 1 -8, game 2 +16, game 3 -28, and game 4 +14, LDD is game 3 -38 units
Using a divisor of 1/17 for the 4 games, game 1 +8, highest bet 2 units per split (8 units), divisor reset for game 2, +16, game 3 -22, highest bet 4 units per split (32 units), game 4 divisor started at 23/17, +28 units won, highest bet 2 units per split, total after the 4 games 30 units after 46 spins, LDD came in game 3, -62 units.
Having checked the excel attachment is one of edved's previous posts, I think the 1/17 divisor would have been fine as well, as game 1 won on the 12th spin, 2 boxes bet, game 2 won on the 1st spin, game 3 won on the 8th spin, 3 boxes bet, game 4 won on the 4th spin 2 boxes bet.
Jim
It's the 20+ spins without a hit that concern me. We have now seen hundreds of systems with the same flaw.
Also, what happens when we reach the last bet of the divisor and lose? Answer : Martingale
We could probably stay ahead for a while, but what if we see several losing streaks in a row?
Not saying it won't work, but a firm conservative stop-loss will be necessary :)
Quote from: edved77 on Jun 21, 12:50 PM 2015
Hi thelaw
I just ran some tests on the same spielbank file - see attached for how I got on. The headline results are:
Betting every box that gets 4 hits until a box gets a fifth hit - within a 37 spin cycle.
Spielbank 6.12.15 table 2
TOTAL SPINS 270
WINS 7
MOST SPINS IN GAME 31
LEAST SPINS IN GAME 14
MOST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME 4
LEAST BOXES TRIGGERED IN SINGLE GAME 1
I havent worked out what progression I would have used yet - so will add this to the attached file when I get a moment.
edved77
So does "most spins in a game" indicate number of losses before a win?
I start with the first #4 sector and then following the above instructions, I have to stop @ spin 24 as I have hit the end of the 37 spin cycle.
Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 12:59 PM 2015
So does "most spins in a game" indicate number of losses before a win?
I start with the first #4 sector and then following the above instructions, I have to stop @ spin 24 as I have hit the end of the 37 spin cycle.
Thanks! :)
Most spins refers to the total number of spins to complete a game including the initial waiting for first trigger/s to appear. in the excel doc it shows you how long each game is and where the triggers (T) and wins are (W).
Quote from: edved77 on Jun 21, 02:01 PM 2015
Most spins refers to the total number of spins to complete a game including the initial waiting for first trigger/s to appear. in the excel doc it shows you how long each game is and where the triggers (T) and wins are (W).
So I've got sector #4 coming in at 39 total spins to finish the 1st hit (4 for trigger then win), unless I'm reading it wrong.
Are you reading the results board top-to-bottom (left-to-right) or bottom-to-top (right to left) on Spielbank (although, even if they are reversed, it should be the same total spins from first to last)?
Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 02:27 PM 2015
So I've got sector #4 coming in at 39 total spins to finish the 1st hit (4 for trigger then win), unless I'm reading it wrong.
Are you reading the results board top-to-bottom (left-to-right) or bottom-to-top (right to left) on Spielbank (although, even if they are reversed, it should be the same total spins from first to last)?
Thanks! :)
39 spins? Are you getting that from the spielbank spins 12-6-15- table 2? I read the numbers top to bottom left to right.
Are you betting on every box that gets 4 hits or just the first box to get 4 hits?
Guys,
Ran those spins through a 1/17 divisor, brief summary as follows:
12 games in total, first 11 games no real issues, would have finished +47 units up, HB was 3 units per split, LDD -32. The real issue came in game 12, and this wasn't helped because game 11 also wasn't great, nothing too bad , it finished -8. This meant the divisor for game 12 started at 9/17, already slightly on the back foot, as game 12 was 22 spins, I would have been betting 71 units per spilt on spin 22, of which there were 8, this game would have finished at -470, and prior to the win the BR after spin 21 was -1180. After spin 14 my BR was -134 and I had just bet 7 units per spilt, 4 splits in total, at this stage, I would have looked to add a safety break to the divisor, however, as I'm not sure exactly how to do this maybe thelaw can advise? Also, maybe look at a stop/loss of -200 units and win rate of 40-50 units, possibly bringing in a safety break if your BR goes -100+? Just putting some ideas out there....
Jim
Why you try to use the progression, if it does not earn flat bet it has no sense to complicate.
Hi ozon,
I think the bet selection is quite strong, however, I don't think strong enough for flat betting, show me one that is, and I know those who advise if it can't win flat betting don't play it, and I do get that....
As the bet selection is quite strong that is why I think a mild progression would be ok, the problem being the RFH as shown in my last post, I'm wondering if maybe something like betting 3 units per split if betting 1 to 2 boxes, 2 units per spilt if betting 3 boxes and just the 1 unit per split if betting 4 boxes or more with a reasonable stop/loss & win goal....
Jim
Quote from: edved77 on Jun 21, 03:03 PM 2015
39 spins? Are you getting that from the spielbank spins 12-6-15- table 2? I read the numbers top to bottom left to right.
Are you betting on every box that gets 4 hits or just the first box to get 4 hits?
Ok. I was reading the Spielbank board in reverse like you would read it at the casino (first ones last).
I'm looking at every box that hits 4 times (trigger) and then bet for one more.
Is that correct?
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 04:37 PM 2015
Ok. I was reading the Spielbank board in reverse like you would read it at the casino (first ones last).
I'm looking at every box that hits 4 times (trigger) and then bet for one more.
Is that correct?
Whoops, one of us is reading spielbank wrong! That's right you are playing it right, hit 4 is trigger and win is hit 5.
Quote from: edved77 on Jun 22, 12:53 PM 2015
Whoops, one of us is reading spielbank wrong! That's right you are playing it right, hit 4 is trigger and win is hit 5.
Alright can a vet please weigh in on this and tell us the correct way to read the Spielbank board? Much appreciated! :)