Hi,
the main idea of this betting is stolen from Thomweh in DC´s Rouletteboard. But I made it playable for any kind of Casino.
This is my version:
1. select 4 numbers you like
- you can take favorites
- the last 4
- sleepers
- any numbers you like and you think they could win
2. take the first number and bet it for 34 spins
(34 because in a B&M you have 1 chip bet, 35 Chips payed, and 1 chip as tronc - after 34 spins you win 1 chip at least.)
3. a) You got a win in 34 (e.g. spin 20) spins you got a plus. Now you have to fight with your grind. Stop or play all 34 spins and go to step 3. b)
3. b) You lost all 34 spins with your 1st number.
-------Then start betting your fist number and your second number with 2 chips.
4. Same again: At any Plus fight with your grind
------If you bet 34 spins with 2 numbers bet and have no Plus
------ then start betting 3 numbers of your selection with 4 chips
5. Same again: At any Plus fight with your grind
------If you bet 34 spins with 3 numbers bet and have no Plus
------ then start betting 4 numbers of your selection with 4 chips
That´s the main idea and instruction.
See attached picture how it works and can explode (I took the sector of 20 14 31 9)
Only your grind will kill you
Hi Winkel,
Thanks for sharing, I would be grateful if you could clarify the following queries I have....
When you get a win and you are in plus, do you start over, as in the attachment you kept going after your win on spin 36, or, as you got the win do you reset the number of spins to 1 (spin 37) meaning, as we won when we were betting 2 numbers, will be bet these 2 numbers for another 34 spins, likewise, as you win on spin 44, spin 45 is spin 1 of betting the 2 numbers again, and if no win after the set of 34 spins, increase to 3 etc. or, can you simply play 136 spins increasing the numbers bet, and progression?
I hope these queries make sense!!!
Regards
Jim
QuoteWhen you get a win and you are in plus, do you start over
As I said: Fight with your grind
Actually you have to decide how many spins you are able to play a day.
The main Ideas says:
- Play 34 bets
- restart the next day whatever happened. Either go into 2 numbers and double betsize or restart Step 1.
If you are able to play 68 spins: first lost? then progress immediately.
Second lost also: next day next step to play
Many Thanks Winkel.
Just for fun, played 15 mins on Sky Vegas low stakes (1p) RNG roulette for real money, constantly playing sector 0,32,15,19, resetting whenever in plus...managed to increase my BR from 472 to 720, 7 games in total, thought it worth sharing.
If anyone wants a more detailed breakdown of the games let me know.
Jim
Jimmie numbers from corals this morning
13
23
29
2
2
7
3
13
32
8
29
16
20
32
20
19
32
9
23
7
35
1
6
3
21
26
15
7
20
14
10
29
33
4
25
34
13
31
20
7
21
29
27
16
29
27
7
35
23
22
16
0
4
4
4
7
17
17
14
3
1
0
32
31
0
1
3
7
3
8
26
3
35
25
6
1
9
10
6
4
5 check back here the 2nd doz
21
22
25
22
33
34
21
14
3
23
35
12
Hey NTH,
Hope your feeling a bit better... :)
Again, betting the 0,32,15,19 sector, I would have been at 66 units after 63 spins, this is the first time I would have been in plus, and would have reset, if I had continued to spin 65, I would have had another win, and would have been up to 130 units, I guess the hard bit is deciding what your 4 numbers are going to be....
Jim
This is your challenge during the game:
Spins from Table 5 Wiesbaden 07.07.15 Numbers from JimmieB
win in spin 18. Bank +18 units. imagine you play with a 5unitChip it is 90 of your currency.
you bet til spin 34
It is a win of 2units. so this stage has passed as a winner and there should be a restart (other day, other table, other numbers)
If we decide to bet!
this will happen:
2 wins during step 2 but result only +10
It is a win of 10 units. so this stage has passed as a winner and there should be a restart (other day, other table, other numbers)
If we decide to bet next stage this will happen:
win in second bet, total +130. Now think about: We bet 3 numbers each 4 units. 12 units each bet. 10 bets will kill the win of 130 units. It is worth a risc?
If you had gone on and had bet 3 Stages:
(I will show you a day where you had lost later)
How Grind can kill you:
Step 1 : a high of 31, 51, 85 units ends 74 units
Step 2 : a high 0f 102, 110 units ends 84 units (was it worth the risc)
Step 3 : just one win no bankroll in plus ends -182 units
Step 4 : 3 wins but ends up -406 units
as I said: fight with your grind.
Thanks again Winkel, just realized I had made a slight error with the progression with my games from earlier, I had been betting 3 units per number when betting 3 numbers, not 4, the 7 games would still have ended in a good profit though, as only one of the 7 games required 3 numbers to be bet, and it started hitting very early in the 34 spin cycle.
Jim
The progression is not ironclad.
Anyone can use a progression he feels comfortable with.
You only have to realize, that this MG in steps has the best turnback!
Hi Jim and not forgetting WINKEL, Hope your in good shape Wink.
Jim what i'm going to say, i know from playing those numbers today. Think i told you of this game play, its something like tic tac toe, so i was playing the neighbours of the numbers span, did ok.
so if you take 13 and use its neighbours 10,16 next 23 so use 20,26. or even use there neighbours on the wheel, you'd have your 4 numbers.
Good hunting
NTH
Fight your grind indeed.....
Starting BR of this particular game was 893, played fib prog 1,2,3,5
1st set of 34 spins
No wins
2nd set of 34 spins
W @ sp32 â€" BR 803
3rd set of 34 spins
W @ sp15 â€" BR 768
W @ sp27 â€" BR 768
4th set of 34 spins
W @ sp10 â€" BR 685
W @ sp 13 â€" BR 805
W @ sp 16 â€" BR 925...should probably have quit here
W @ sp 25 â€" BR 925...again, should have considered quitting, but didn’t...
No more wins, after 34 spins, BR 745.
No real damage 148 units down.
Overall, BR has now increased from 472 units to 1025 having played a total of 14 games.
Jim
Quick update for anyone interested....
BR almost 1700 units now after 33 games, still using low stakes (1p) Sky Vegas roulette. I'm using the fib prog 1,1,2,3. I'm hoping to get to 2000 units, then I'll up the progression to 2,2,4,6, then 3,3,6,9 at 3000 etc. I tend to end each game after a win, if my win rate equals approximately 1 unit per 2 spins, or, greater.
Jim
Do you always chose the same 4 numbers? How do you select them?
Hi Ray,
I tend to pick 4 numbers around, or, including 0, the 4 numbers are always adjacent to one another on the wheel, example if I'm playing 0,32,15,19, and I win my game, I might now play 32,15,19,4, or, maybe 35,8,26,0, or, 4,21,2,25, I have no set rules for picking the numbers except, as already stated, they are adjacent to one another on the wheel.
The reason why I pick around, or, to include the 0, is mainly because I'm playing Sky Vegas RNG roulette with turbo spin, therefore, I'm hitting the spin button with very little time between spins, and as I've selected numbers around, or, including the 0, I can almost tell as soon as the spin button is pressed whether I'm getting a win, as the 0 is a good marker, no other reason than that to be honest :)
I don't have exact numbers, however, I reckon, I've played this for about 2000 spins. I've also looked through old spin data, and in most cases if you take 4 numbers adjacent to one another on the wheel, and test the system, you will find at some point you will be in the plus, the question is do you continue to try & get more, or, end the game. This is where, as winkel points out, the grind can kill you. Also, if you're having a bad run, and say you mange to get your BR back to say, -100 whilst in the fourth stage of the progression, consider quitting and take the loss.
In one my earlier games, I was playing the fib with 1,2,3,5 playing numbers 0,26,3,35, my starting BR was 1185, and I got it up to 1235 after the 24th spin in stage 2, I should have quit here, however, I carried on and only got 2 more wins in stage 4. Mr BR had dropped to 569, ouch, however, I added a fifth number, 12, and increased the amount on each number to 8 units, and thankfully I got a couple of early wins, and I quit with my BR at 849. I wouldn't do this again, as I'm now wise enough to quit after a reasonable profit, and not get to greedy!!
Jim
i will absolutely try this
Quote from: JimmieB on Jul 14, 03:10 AM 2015
Quick update for anyone interested....
BR almost 1700 units now after 33 games, still using low stakes (1p) Sky Vegas roulette. I'm using the fib prog 1,1,2,3. I'm hoping to get to 2000 units, then I'll up the progression to 2,2,4,6, then 3,3,6,9 at 3000 etc. I tend to end each game after a win, if my win rate equals approximately 1 unit per 2 spins, or, greater.
Jim
Jimmie, fibo on 4 numbers? can get out of control fast??
RG,
at are you waiting for. Just reduce the thirty-eight 9 number neighbor selection to 5 ( Two on each side of the selected number)
ay at your own risk..
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 07:43 PM 2016
Jimmie, fibo on 4 numbers? can get out of control fast??
RG the progression isn't set in stone, you could use 1,1,2,3, or, 1,2,3,4, or even 1,2,4,8, (I've thought about flat betting, where you could increase the bet amount after each full game depending whether you are plus or minus, not sure it would work with this though), and remember you are only betting a maximum of 4 numbers so the progression can't really get out of control, also, you are only betting 1 number for stage 1, 2 numbers stage 2, etc. I only bet the 5 numbers once, and as I stated I wouldn't do that again, that game was actually in the plus at one stage, stage 2, but I got greedy, this is where the "grind can kill you"!! The point being you are looking for the game to be done no later than late on in stage 2/early stage 3 if possible, however, I appreciate this isn't always the case, this is when YOU have to decide what to do.
I've been playing this on the multiplayer roulette, and it's been holding up well, the losses I've have had have been with crazy betting amounts on double dozens :). Regarding my number selections for the multiplayer, I've been taking some advice recently on the forum about not paying attention to last spins when you come to the table, therefore, whatever number has just hit when I log on, this will be my first number for the first set of 34 spins, I then keep a note of the numbers hitting, and whatever number has hit the most either side of my first number (wheel layout), I'll add this in stage 2, if the game goes to stage 2 that is. Of course you might have a tie, no numbers may have hit, etc. you have to choose which number to add, and yes I realise this is RNG numbers at the moment, and playing a section isn't applicable, however, I'm wanting to play this as I would in "real life"...have a look at some past spins you'll be surprised. The issue being for some players is you are only betting one number for 34 spins, then 2 for another 34, and so on, this doesn't suit everyone's style of play. I've looked at the possibilty of betting 2 numbers for 16 spins, then adding another 2 another 16 spins, and so on, or 3 numbers for 10 spins, then adding another 3 for another 10 spins, etc. however, I keep coming back to the original idea.
Thanks. Very informative
I picked a random 4 numbers
Ran through zumma
Very nice
Glad you like, I think it's pretty decent, I'm also looking at the possibility of increasing the stakes on a winning number per one as what's currently getting advised by the likes of Turbo on the forum at the moment, and adding a number from the sector as they show, max 4 numbers. The hard bit is figuring out when to stop/reduce betting amounts etc....maybe they'll give me some advice, as I'm listening to them :lol:
Guys, just giving this a wee bump...
Since the reset on the multiplayer game, I've been solely playing this method, the section I've been using is 4,21,2,25 with the 1,2,4,8 progression, I've played 20 games in total, which equates to 412 spins and I've added 592 units to my BR. I know this is a very small sample, however, thought I would share...
JimmieB
Sounds good. Maybe I would wait a dubbel hit within the markee and bet with extra 3 . Bit hotzone we might say.
How's that progression going exactly? To make sure I capture it 100%
You're playing too many spins.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 26, 09:02 AM 2016
Sounds good. Maybe I would wait a dubbel hit within the markee and bet with extra 3 . Bit hotzone we might say.
How's that progression going exactly? To make sure I capture it 100%
Hey Denzie, the progression isn't set in stone, as will see from previous posts; how is works is you are betting your first number for 34 spins, at level one of the progression, if you get a hit within these 34 spins, I start over, game is won, however, this is your choice, after the first 34 spins, if you are continuing, you now add your second number, and both numbers are bet at level 2 in the progression, after a total of 68 spins, again, if continuing to play, add your third number, and all 3 numbers are bet at level 3 of the progression, and so on...I hope this clarifies your query. There is no set progression, or, how to choose your numbers, or, when you stop, it's your call, personally I like picking a sector, and sticking with it, you might choose 4 numbers before you start playing, and use these, it's up to you.
I'm now one of the guys who is of the opinion past spins don't count, however, when you sit at the table as we know, there's a good chance approximately 24 numbers are going to hit in 37 spins, reducing this slightly to 34 spins, still means you still have around a 60-65% chance of that one number hitting in your first set of 34 spins, when you are betting 2 numbers in you're next set of 34 spins, I'm not sure of the % chance, maybe it's the same, I'm not clever enough to work that out ;D
Anymore queries, just ask...
Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 26, 09:23 AM 2016
You're playing too many spins.
Hey 3Nine, I'm not sure how I'm playing too many spins, I'm not constantly playing, this is over a period of time over several sessions, and each game is on average about 21 spins, which I think makes it playable in a B&M casino, the most a game can last is 136 spins (4 x 34), again playable in a B&M casino, however, if you're game is taking this long, you might be in a bit of trouble...of the games played I've had a win on the first spin, the longest game so far has been 63 spins, I had no hit in the first 34 spins, then 3 hits in the next set, my first hit wasn't until spin 56, I was still down at this stage, so I continued, got another hit on spin 60, was now slightly up (6 units), decided to continue, although, debated starting over, anyway got my third hit on spin 63, game over 66 units.
Thanks for your reply. I'm simply referring to the ROI of betting 1 number for 34 spins. How could you tighten that up a bit? Just a thought.
Yeah, I know what you mean, and it's something I've been looking at...possibly betting 2 numbers for say 16 spins, then add another 2 number for another 16 spins, increasing the progression, and so on, however, I keep coming back to this way. I think patience is the key with this system (like a lot of them actually!), and slowly building your BR. At the moment 412 spins has netted me 592 units, this is using 1 as your base unit, as you increase your BR you can obviously increase the value of your base unit, and of course there are games when I'm going to have to quit even though I've made a loss, further diluting the ROI, however, if I can steadily increase the BR, I can increase the base unit at the right time, thus improving the ROI.
I'm really interested to see where this goes with the starting BR of 1000 with real B&M numbers from the multiplayer roulette, and sticking to my rules whilst testing. Far too often in testing, I (and many others, not a dig at anyone by the way!!) deviate from the "rules", and the figures get skewed...not this time though, I'm sticking to it :thumbsup:
thx..sounds good to me :)