follow the colors RED or Black.
RED shows bet 1st and 3rd column
BLACK shows bet 1 st and second Column.
FLAT BET only.
For recreational purposes only Play at your own risk.
Original idea by SPIKE
Original post by SPIKE
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 02:36:17 am »
You can keep track of streaks and sleepers on the columns
by turning it into an EC. Track the 1st column and 2 5 8 11
14 17 from the 2nd column as one side, and the 3rd column
and 20 23 26 29 32 35 for the other side.
Record them as you would B/R and you can easily see when
streaks occur. It will also show you immediately which columns
are sleeping. For instance, if you see the 3rd column numbers
streaking, bet the 2nd and 3rd column. Your're only following
18 numbers, but betting on 24 gives you better odds of winning.
Bet selection is everything in roulette. Personally I would never
use a progression playing this way, you have a better chance
of leaving the table ahead just by flat betting. You don't need
a progression, you are depending on your bet selection method
to get ahead. You will always see streaks when the 1st or 3rd
columns are sleeping, and that's a lot sometimes. They can easily
sleep for 17 out of 20 spins sometimes. And when you see the
2nd colums sleeping, bet the 1st and 3rd. Don't get greedy and you
will be surprised how long you can last.
Play at your own risk.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 18, 02:43 PM 2016
Original post by SPIKE
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 02:36:17 am »
Bet selection is everything in roulette. Personally I would never
use a progression playing this way, you have a better chance
of leaving the table ahead just by flat betting. You don't need
a progression, you are depending on your bet selection method
Words of pure wisdom for the inexperienced
Neg progression is an admission that the bet selection brings no edge
Here are the disclaimers
This is IMHO
I am not trying to bully anyone or undermine people's efforts.....before I get my head jumped on lol
:thumbsup:
It is what it is a hybrid 24 numbers/ EC betting selection with a hedge.
Can`t have it any better.
The defense rests.
Play at your own risk.
Spike in his post he writes a very interesting phenomenon, which deals with Gizmotron in another forum, but did not know when you can expect a series of sleepers in columns and dozens. How to recognize and how long to attack ?, we know that such series occur, but do not know how to use it.
Ozon
Personally I am guided by the co;or selection keeping in mind the diminishing probabilities of a pattern of even chances.
Both , Gizmotron and Spike are are very well experienced roulette players. Both of whom I know for the past 10 years from a time of the good o;d GG.
I would like to repeat just chose the color for your bet selection.
Black bet column 1 and 2 .
RED bet column 2 and 3.
Happy Winnings.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 18, 06:33 PM 2016
I would like to repeat just chose the color for your bet selection.
Black bet column 1 and 2 .
RED bet column 2 and 3.
Happy Winnings.
RED bet column 2 and 3 ?
marivo
Sorry for my mistake.
Bet RED Column 1 and 3 .
Glad that you have brought it to my attention.
Tamino, we have two systems on this principle - of GLC and Iboba. Which of the two you recommend? Thanks
In all fairness I am sticking to this bet selection.. Flat betting.
Iboba (RIP) if you like it then play it. He recommended also flat betting.Slightly different than my bet selection.Compare the two.
GLC . Don`t know about tt
Can you show me GLC system?
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 18, 11:15 AM 2016
follow the colors RED or Black.
RED shows bet 1st and 3rd column
BLACK shows bet 1 st and second Column.
FLAT BET only.
For recreational purposes only Play at your own risk.
Original idea by SPIKE
Bet on two columns + color or no color?
Thanks Tamino. :thumbsup:
Sorry i forgot GLC system- link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5709.0;nowap
Quote from: blueman on Jan 22, 04:59 PM 2016
Bet on two columns + color or no color?
Thanks Tamino. :thumbsup:
The First and secind column combined give you 14 BLACK, while Column 1 and 3 give combined 14 Reds. Do not bet any of those color separate. That` not needed. You got already 14 of one color and 10 of the other as a hedge.
Quote from: blueman on Jan 22, 05:05 PM 2016
Sorry i forgot GLC system- link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5709.0;nowap
No comment.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 22, 06:10 PM 2016
The First and secind column combined give you 14 BLACK, while Column 1 and 3 give combined 14 Reds. Do not bet any of those color separate. That` not needed. You got already 14 of one color and 10 of the other as a hedge.
Very interesting and easy to play, I have to try. I believe in your knowledge :thumbsup:
See attached photo
most here play european so this is a euro test for Taminos recommendation of:
if last decision was black bet columns 1 and 2, if last decision was red bet columns 1 and 3
the results
wins- 115
losses- 63
I did not bet 0, and when 0 came i waited for new trigger after before betting again
result flat betting 185 spins- minus 11 units. would i sit for 185 spins? no
the good news - max loss in a row was 3. Therefore if I personally was playing hit and run I WOULD use a negative progression HIT AND RUN for 2 to 3 units and move on. NOT SAYING for any of you to do that...but on american and euro wheel max loss I typically see with this consecutively is 3 in a row, and it is seldom, not very often do I see 3 in a row loss with this. So I would wait for one virtual loss and then bet with a progression for a few units then stop, no long term play
I like this system. Can I play with positive Charles Guetting progression?
Made an earlier test on this for 100 spins.
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 28, 12:18 PM 2016
Made an earlier test on this for 100 spins.
Every spin?
Progression?
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 28, 12:33 PM 2016
Every spin?
Progression?
Thanks
Yes, I played every spin with 1, 2, 4 progression (IIRC) on this. Except when 0, I waited one spin before continue.
1 2 4 every single spin or just up on a loss?
Thanks!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 28, 12:44 PM 2016
1 2 4 every signle spin or up on a loss?
Up on a loss. 1 unit as base. :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 28, 12:18 PM 2016
Made an earlier test on this for 100 spins.
This is the usual pattern that Ignatus sees with his charts as well. First few look good, then it tanks......
Usually takes about 10 of them to see a failure on average.
Great work-much appreciated! :thumbsup:
thelaw,
Don`t act so uppity. As any experienced player knows full well that when EC are involved the principle of diminishing probability becomes apparent..
You must be an amateur by making statements like the one above The idea for this bet selection was offered by an experienced roulette player.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 28, 04:03 PM 2016
thelaw,
Don`t act so uppity. As any experienced player knows full well that when EC are involved the principle of diminishing probability becomes apparent..
You must be an amateur by making statements like the one above The idea for this bet selection was offered by an experienced roulette player.
First off
Tamino............I understand that you apparently want to start something with me..........I appreciate the initiative, but find someone else to bother..........i'm busy.
Second, I understand that you might be sensitive about the possibility that your posted method might fail............don't worry........it happens to everyone. God knows I've posted my share of failed methods.
Third, take a moment and look at the end of my response.............which ends on a positive note of "great work-much appreciated". I was simply making a point about single positive charts, which we've seen many times, not trying to diminish
Celescliff's hard work, which I appreciate.
Next time, take a moment to read the entire response before posting accusations. :thumbsup:
BASTA.
No more comments with that amateu.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 28, 04:50 PM 2016
BASTA.
No more comments with that amateu.
basta che
what id like to do is refine this
Id like to heard a good money management for this
if black bet 1 and 2, if red bet 1 and 3
any ideas?
The answer might be found in the chapter " breaking the bank at flat stakes" page 110
link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala
This might coincide with the recommendation for the column method of flat betting..
For recreational purposes only.
PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 28, 06:24 PM 2016
The answer might be found in the chapter " breaking the bank at flat stakes" page 110
link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala
This might coincide with the recommendation for the column method of flat betting..
PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK.
flat betting 2 columns can get veryyyyyyy grindy. perhaps hit and run. wam, bam, thank ya mam
i quickly browsed the chapter
will read more later
some of what I got was avoid the loss streaks
so say you bet black. stay on black. after 2 losses in a row (2 reds) STOP betting and wait for black to appear again. this way you avoid the streaks of reds.
so if we do :
if red shows bet next columns 1 and 3
if black shows bet next columns 1 and 2
stop after 2 losses in a row, wait for a virtual win, then begin again
There is more to read. About partner play. But in which case you would be the partner who takes over to continue with the color you played against and lost twice in a row. Keep betting this until 2 consecutive losses.
It`s all there in the chapter.
bet black
lose twice in a row switch to red
lose twice in a row switch to black
heyyyyyyyyy
Let`s shelve this
MM method for a while.
.This might be good for one dominant but with our column bet selection we are dealing with 2 dominants of equal proportions.
This is a fair test of this system; Played with 25u bets- wingoal +100u, stoploss -100u. All flatbet.
5/10 Games Won.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 28, 08:03 PM 2016
Let`s shelve this
MM method for a while.
.This might be good for one dominant but with our column bet selection we are dealing with 2 dominants of equal proportions.
I think this is ok-
C/P - TAMINO (from gamblin is gambling)
For 2 dozens after 2 wins in a row go up the ladder.
example 2 dozens .each starts with $ 5 after 2 wins up to $ 7. then after 2 wins up to $ 10 only one bet then regress to $ 5 and this time after only 1 win up to 7 and after 1 win up to the $ 10 level
Any time there is a loss the march starts with $ 5.
Adjusting to higher base bets by applying the same ratio.
Tamino?
if red bet 1 and 3
if black bet 1 and 2
this was a test I just did
money management to beat this? (2 COLUMNS BET)
139 too risky
d'amblert failed
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currently testing tweak:
no bet after red shows
only bet after a black shows, columns 1 and 2
red shows sit out next spin
this has limited all 4 in a row loss streaks to only 2 in a row thus far
Quote from: blueman on Jan 28, 12:13 PM 2016
I like this system. Can I play with positive Charles Guetting progression?
If you have the money, you can play it however you want.
(But if you run out, you have to stop) :sad2: :sad2:
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 28, 12:18 PM 2016
Made an earlier test on this for 100 spins.
What I like about the chart is that there is ALWAYS one or two huge drawdowns
with other graphs posted. This one is nice and smooth.
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 28, 12:48 PM 2016
Up on a loss. 1 unit as base. :thumbsup:
So you are betting 1 unit on all 3? The color and the two dozens?
Not 3 units on the color? (And playing the scenario based on the last color?)
Roulette Ghost,
I am with you in selecting only ONE dominant. Gives you more control .
Quote from: Tamino on Feb 08, 07:32 PM 2016
Roulette Ghost,
I am with you in selecting only ONE dominant. Gives you more control .
I remember seeing one of Izaks methods (lets talk winning) that was based on that.
Somehow it didn't work out. Not sure if it was because of a progression involved.
But I remember working with it.
I'm becoming more a fan of flat betting.
This bet selection based on color is what it is. No negative nor any positive progression were given. Players with experience know what to expect from a bet selection with a tied in EC component.
Play at your own risk.
BTW. Izak should have known better.
Quote from: Tamino on Feb 09, 02:21 PM 2016
This bet selection based on color is what it is. No negative nor any positive progression were given. Players with experience know what to expect from a bet selection with a tied in EC component.
Play at your own risk.
BTW. Izak should have known better.
Are you experienced? Can you tell us what we should expect?
Mogul,
Diminishing probability, as any repeated pattern of chance events continues its reversal becomes progressively imminent.
.
" To play or not to play that is the question" But play at your own risk.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 03:40 PM 2016
:twisted:
The question was rhetorical. But apparently he will continue to talk in riddles.
Like he knows something we don't.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 03:40 PM 2016
:twisted:
If your grimace is related to years experience, you could put me down for 40, I suppose.
The question was rhetorical, leading into the next comment. But I have no time for riddles.
Or chasing suggestiong.
If any Black shows bet Column ` 1 and 2.
If any Red shows bet column 1 and 3
For the hard of hearing: do not play any Black or Red EC. This s is not an EC selection process.
It is a color based bet selection for columns.
Play at your own risk.