At first I debated whether or not I should post this.
But I know some of you will test and suggest tweaks so here it is.
A grassroots based on streets. Random against random at its finest.
No bet scheme etched in stone. Can be against previous 3. Can be against 123. Can be against 321. Can be something you play for fun money when you are bored. Nothing set in stone just an idea.
Group 1 streets : 1-2-3 / 10-11-12 / 19-20-21 / 28-29-30
Group 2 streets : 4-5-6 / 13-14-15 / 22-23-24 / 31-32-33
Group 3 streets : 7-8-9 / 16-17-18 / 25-26-27 / 34-35-36
Here is the first 42 spins of American zumma and how they correlate to the above groups
232
212
221
322
312
331 no exact repeats
223 no 123
121
213
112
313
102
331
312
what can we do with this bet selection? original grass roots against 123 hit and run? who knows....
if you choose to play this against 123 then each bet would be 8 streets (24 numbers), a layout of 8 chips.
One thing to notice from the 42 spin example above is, no exact repeat from line of 3 above.
Too early in testing to say anything at this point. just an idea as of now
Very interesting idea!! Thanks RG!!
You welcome
I am seeing spectacular results using this bet selection playing against previous 3 only when unique on rolling basis. But exhausted
wheel distribution looking good...will test it for sure. thx
Looking more into this
When a section repeats like 22 bet the other 2 once
So 22 now bet 13
Flat bet
In my example. 7 triggers, 6 wins, 1 loss. That's about 1 hour of play
In other words if any group hits twice in a row bet the other 2 groups one time only.
Flat bet
Win or lose wait for next time a section hits twice in a row
Another 42 spins from Zumma starting at spin 43
Not sure what I want to do with this
but I am liking: when a section repeats, bet the other 2 once. So that would have been 5 wins, 2 losses. Slow I know, this is one hour of play. 1 hour of play yielding only 1 unit is eh ok, but with larger units this is A O K
213
112
321
322
311
311
013
232
312
322
133
330
122
212
try this .....out of the last 3 decision bet the dominate dozen till a win in the next level......distribution of streets may makes an interesting dealer signature play.....
im sorry did not mean dozen...but rather street group as outlined by rg...
thanks for the idea
any tweaks are welcome here
trying to make this bet selection into something good
AMK opposite method: good here
no unique repeat here....
Very interesting stuff. I will test tonight on live dealers as soon as I am finished getting my daily 10 units with Grassroots. I have around 20 bucks left for this kind of testing on Dublinbet so I will play a little on the low limit tables. I like the idea of flat bet.... Ill report after.
Might be good for nights when I am tired and I dont feel like going 1-3-9-27.... :wink:
Simon.
Ok. So here is a little report about my night at Dublinbet. This thing kept me awake longer than expected....
Played 42 spins. Started with 22.60$. Ended with 23.80$. Played with 0.10$ units. Thats a gain of 12 units.
Won 10 games, lost 3 game. Not bad....
So, when you lose, you lose 8 units, but when you win, you win 4 units. So if we are going to flatbet this, we need 2 times more winners than loosers. From my initial testing, it seems to be the case. But 42 spins is definitively not enough to draw any conclusions.
Another thing I have noticed, 3 in a row arrive sometime, but I never got 4 in a row. So, if you loose with, let say, 1-1-1, rebet againt 1 and your are likely to gain back at least half of your initial loss. So that makes 1 less bet to get back. I wonder if there is a possibility of a progression here...
It is gonna need some love and some tweaking. But looks promissing. I will test 3000 spins, tweak it and write a 20 pages paper about it.... :wink:
So now I have 1.20$ more in my account. I guess I'm gonna blow it all on a hand of Blackjack... :wink:
Simon.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 03, 11:42 PM 2016
You welcome
I am seeing spectacular results using this bet selection playing against previous 3 only when unique on rolling basis. But exhausted
Hello RouletteGhost, I like your idea and it seems amazing in terms of W/L - I looked at just under 86,000 spins and got the following results:
Total spins - 85,671
Total sets of 3 (eg - 121, 322, 123 etc) = 28,558
When counting total wins and losses, I use following criteria:
Win - a pattern of 3 does not match previous pattern of 3 (I include the zero).
Loss - Exact pattern of 3 repeats eg 123, 123
On paper, the results are superb:
Total wins - 27, 644
Total losses - 912
The streaks are even crazier:
Longest win streak = 233
Longest Loss streak = 2 [yes 2!!!]
So out of 28,558 sets of 3, the most Losses in a row was 2 (6 spins betting 8 streets and zero). It sounds crazy but that's what Excel is telling me. See the attached results in notepad. As I said I include the zero.
The numbers I used were obtained from several files off here and VLS over last 12 months - all bundled together.
Just thought I'd share these findings.
As for a betting plan, how best to handle the two losses in a row which is betting on 8 streets and the zero and losing 6 straight bets. This obviously doesn't include the next 3 spins to get the win.
Unless I've messed up somewhere in Excel, these are really good results,
Thanks for sharing rouletteghost,
Edved
Thanks a lot for testing and the effort
I looked into against previous 3 pattern but had a loss in zumma (see above)
Maybe it was isolated I'll look some more
Any ideas are appreciated
I made this bet selection with hopes the random wheel could not spit out fixed patterns on it time and time again
As your tests show, looking good so far. 233 streak? Niceeeee
Quote from: edved77 on Feb 05, 06:14 AM 2016
Unless I've messed up somewhere in Excel, these are really good results,
Nice calculations!
I just hope that you are very wrong!! Cause if you are right, I`m about to quit my day job...!!! :wink:
Simon.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 07:39 AM 2016
I made this bet selection with hopes the random wheel could not spit out fixed patterns on it time and time again
As your tests show, looking good so far. 233 streak? Niceeeee
I've never seen a win streak like that in my life. If you have any spins you want me to test I'd be happy to give them a go?
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Feb 05, 09:18 AM 2016
Nice calculations!
I just hope that you are very wrong!! Cause if you are right, I`m about to quit my day job...!!! :wink:
Simon.
cheers- wouldnt that be nice! I need to test some more spin data - perhaps from speilbank's archives. If you have any live spins, send them over. Just cannot believe there werent more than 2 losses in a row - it's all there in my previous attachment. Crazy.
I guess flat betting, up on a win down a loss, could work with this considering the streaks?
It's all about the bet selection
Can the wheel produce the same pattern over and over on this one? Yes it can. Will it? NO
Now that we have the bet selection how do we play it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 11:11 AM 2016
Now that we have the bet selection how do we play it
Still working on that. In the meantime attached is a guide to the cloth and what streets you would need to cover.
Groups 1 & 2 and 2 & 3 offer the option of betting double streets whilst 1 & 3 has a couple of streets on either end of double streets.
In the heat of the moment I think I'd need a guide like this - it isnt too hard to memorise with some practice.
Another idea using this bet selection
Works well so far
Whatever group hits bet the other 2 once. In a loss sit out until new trigger
So if the last group hit was 1, bet 2 and 3 one time
Flat bet
example. my first test from page 1.
how I would play "bet the other 2 after a hit"
1 hits bet 2 and 3.
2 hits bet 1 and 3.
3 hits bet 1 and 2
on a loss sit out the next spin just in case there is a streak, if there is a streak sit out until there is a new trigger (so we avoid 22222)
FLAT BET
2
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
1- sit out, just in case 2 streaks
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out, just in case 2 streaks, oh look at that its a 2, we sat out
1- waiting for 2 to end, 1 hits, begin again
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
1- bet 2 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
0- bet 2 and 3. LOSE, unless you have insurance on green goblin
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
21 wins (X 4 units)
8 losses (X 8 units)
win 4 units on a win
lose 8 units on a loss
total +20
and hey its flat bet
and this is 1 hour of real play.
$200 bank with $1 units
on a rolling basis this time. against the previous group
2
3 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
3 W
2 W
2 L
3 W
1 W
2 W
3 W
3 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
3 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
3 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
3 W
1 W
3 W
1 W
0 L
2
3 W
3 L
1 W
3 W
1 W
2 W
31 wins X 4 units +124 units
9 losses X 8 units -72 units
+52 units FLAT BET
All those clustered wins. .....parlay that!
Aiming for +30. Reach it in 50 spins. Tested with a mild progression on this one, but would recommend flat. If I loose I wait til a new group street has come up.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net
0 0 0 0 0 0
1 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 0
2 22 Bet 80 120 -80 40 40
3 11 Bet 80 120 -80 40 80
4 6 Bet 80 120 -80 40 120
5 34 Bet 80 120 -80 40 160
5 99 DC 0 0 0 0 0
6 26 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 80
7 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 80
8 6 Bet 80 120 -80 40 120
9 21 Bet 80 120 -80 40 160
10 4 Bet 80 120 -80 40 200
11 26 Bet 80 120 -80 40 240
12 35 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 160
13 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
14 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
15 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
16 25 Bet 80 120 -80 40 200
17 6 Bet 80 120 -80 40 240
18 0 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 160
19 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
20 28 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 80
21 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 80
22 15 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 0
23 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 0
24 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 0
25 18 Bet 160 240 -160 80 80
26 24 Bet 160 240 -160 80 160
26 99 DC 0 0 0 0 0
27 9 Bet 160 240 -160 80 240
28 17 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 160
29 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
30 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
31 36 Bet 80 120 -80 40 200
32 6 Bet 80 120 -80 40 240
33 14 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 160
34 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
35 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
36 35 Bet 80 120 -80 40 200
37 24 Bet 80 120 -80 40 240
38 35 Bet 80 120 -80 40 280
39 7 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 200
40 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 200
41 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 200
42 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 200
43 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 200
44 18 Bet 80 120 -80 40 240
45 35 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 160
46 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
47 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 160
48 33 Bet 160 240 -160 80 240
49 3 Bet 80 120 -80 40 280
50 9 Bet 80 120 -80 40 320
Using Notto's progression of +1 on a loss and 2 wins before -1 could work well on this.
Hello edved77,
Are your`e results for dozens? Do not forget with this system we are only betting 24 numbers (2/3) so whilst you may be correct we would have to have been betting every time on the correct numbers.
I have looked at Live on Wm. Hill 8 sessions of 39 spins. I chose that number because our expectation is to win 26 and lose 13 - break even.
What I found using current system was that results pretty much stayed close to 2/3. Longest losing streak was 3. Quite a few 2`s so miss next spin looks way to go. On my experience you might as well just play the selections from 1 & 3, or 1 & 2, or 2 & 3 continuously and probably get same results. A light progression looks a possibility as losing streaks seem to be short.
Bleep24
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 07, 03:12 AM 2016
Hello edved77,
Are your`e results for dozens? Do not forget with this system we are only betting 24 numbers (2/3) so whilst you may be correct we would have to have been betting every time on the correct numbers.
I have looked at Live on Wm. Hill 8 sessions of 39 spins. I chose that number because our expectation is to win 26 and lose 13 - break even.
What I found using current system was that results pretty much stayed close to 2/3. Longest losing streak was 3. Quite a few 2`s so miss next spin looks way to go. On my experience you might as well just play the selections from 1 & 3, or 1 & 2, or 2 & 3 continuously and probably get same results. A light progression looks a possibility as losing streaks seem to be short.
Bleep24
Hello bleep 24
No, my results were based on the 3 groups of streets that Rouletteghost chose at the start of the post. So every bet is 8 streets and the zero.
edved
Edved
Ive been testing more. The way u did
Against previous 3
Performs better then the original grassroots tweak of against previous 3
Will entertain a progression because im seeing a pattern of 3 repeat every 90 spins or so
So even IF we used a 139, still have good profit on a loss....
More testing....
Which by the way you had 912 losses in 80k spins which is about 1 every 90 ;)
Good bet selection i have made
Another way to play would be to bet the last group hit
A 12 number bet
Light progression
the following is an attachment from a random page in zumma
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the first chart: this is a 1 3 9 progression simulation. I AM NOT recommending this progression. I am just going to simulate some tests to SEE if it holds up
the test: 3 wide matrix, bet that the following line does not repeat. red is a total loss, green is a win with progression. each row is own game, betting against above
Outcome: 1 bust, oh well
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the 2nd chart: betting 3rd spin of the mini game only (1 3 9 progression) when the previous 2 were unique, betting the 3rd won't be unique. the denzie way, shout out to denzie, this mans got good ideas
outcome: highest step in progression was 2, no bust. good session. as a matter of fact play denzies way FLAT bet, still GOOD
Lets make some money, K?
edit:
idea for chart 1 betting against previous 3
bet the 1st two only. max step in progression would be limited to 2.
a total loss would cost 8 units, would recover FAST
+13 units on chart 1 if we only bet a 1, 3 progression on the 1st two bets of each mini game.
and betting this way lets say we had 2 full losses, we would still be +5 units
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 04, 07:54 PM 2016
Another 42 spins from Zumma starting at spin 43
Not sure what I want to do with this
but I am liking: when a section repeats, bet the other 2 once. So that would have been 5 wins, 2 losses. Slow I know, this is one hour of play. 1 hour of play yielding only 1 unit is eh ok, but with larger units this is A O K
213
112
321
322
311
311
013
232
312
322
133
330
122
212
These are the "dozens" as described in the opening post. Correct?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 06:13 PM 2016
example. my first test from page 1.
how I would play "bet the other 2 after a hit"
1 hits bet 2 and 3.
2 hits bet 1 and 3.
3 hits bet 1 and 2
on a loss sit out the next spin just in case there is a streak, if there is a streak sit out until there is a new trigger (so we avoid 22222)
FLAT BET
2
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
1- sit out, just in case 2 streaks
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out, just in case 2 streaks, oh look at that its a 2, we sat out
1- waiting for 2 to end, 1 hits, begin again
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
1- bet 2 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
0- bet 2 and 3. LOSE, unless you have insurance on green goblin
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
21 wins (X 4 units)
8 losses (X 8 units)
win 4 units on a win
lose 8 units on a loss
total +20
and hey its flat bet
and this is 1 hour of real play.
$200 bank with $1 units
This is representative of my last (failed) testing attempt last fall when (on paper)
I did a Labby with a bit of a jig on my picks of recent dozens.
Quote from: edved77 on Feb 05, 06:14 AM 2016
Hello RouletteGhost, I like your idea and it seems amazing in terms of W/L - I looked at just under 86,000 spins and got the following results:
Total spins - 85,671
Total sets of 3 (eg - 121, 322, 123 etc) = 28,558
When counting total wins and losses, I use following criteria:
Win - a pattern of 3 does not match previous pattern of 3 (I include the zero).
Loss - Exact pattern of 3 repeats eg 123, 123
On paper, the results are superb:
Total wins - 27, 644
Total losses - 912
The streaks are even crazier:
Longest win streak = 233
Longest Loss streak = 2 [yes 2!!!]
So out of 28,558 sets of 3, the most Losses in a row was 2 (6 spins betting 8 streets and zero). It sounds crazy but that's what Excel is telling me. See the attached results in notepad. As I said I include the zero.
The numbers I used were obtained from several files off here and VLS over last 12 months - all bundled together.
Just thought I'd share these findings.
As for a betting plan, how best to handle the two losses in a row which is betting on 8 streets and the zero and losing 6 straight bets. This obviously doesn't include the next 3 spins to get the win.
Unless I've messed up somewhere in Excel, these are really good results,
Thanks for sharing rouletteghost,
Edved
So did you messed up? Or are these results correct? Cuz it's very impressive
RG ....how you play this ?
Against last group?
Against previous 3?
Against a unique?
Betting 2 dozen on the 0/00 wheel , no matter which 2 dozens have been chosen does not require much brain power. It`s so simple that in the eyes of a casino it is tantamount to grand larceny.
Having fun with dozens since 1982 with with half of my brain tied behind my back to be fair to the casino.
Like I said : A NO braino
.
Quote from: Tamino on Feb 08, 04:31 PM 2016
Betting 2 dozen on the 0/00 wheel , no matter which 2 dozens have been chosen does not require much brain power. It`s so simple that in the eyes of a casino it is tantamount to grand larceny.
Having fun with dozens since 1982 with with half of my brain tied behind my back to be fair to the casino.
Like I said : A NO braino
.
Could you please elaborate on the best way to do this or point me in the right direction to find the info on my own. Thanks in advance
Quote from: denzie on Feb 08, 02:50 PM 2016
So did you messed up? Or are these results correct? Cuz it's very impressive
These results are correct, but just to make it clear, the 1,2,3 I am referring to is rouletteghost's 4 street groups. This is not dozens.
My results bet 8 streets and zero - problem is working out a suitable bet selection/progression.
edved
Big EZ
No matter what bet selection( follow the dozens or stationary dozens) has been chosen stick with it n. Accept wins as well as losses with the same grace.
Set your win goal m and loss limit and knowing when to leave a table --------either UP or Down.
Set a low Guaranteed Win goal and continue flat betting until the FIRST loss then ;eave the session.
P;lay at your own risk.
Quote from: Tamino on Feb 08, 05:31 PM 2016
Big EZ
No matter what bet selection( follow the dozens or stationary dozens) has been chosen stick with it n. Accept wins as well as losses with the same grace.
Set your win goal m and loss limit and knowing when to leave a table --------either UP or Down.
Set a low Guaranteed Win goal and continue flat betting until the FIRST loss then ;eave the session.
P;lay at your own risk.
So you are saying walk up. Pick 2 dozen. Bet them til you lose, and end the session?
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
I'll re share my story about the guy I met in the 90's online who waited for 5 or 6
columbs in a row, then bet the other 2 at $500 each. And the session went one
way or the other. And it was over.
Thanks
Mogul,
I have posted that one should set a guaranteed win goal and when hat one has been reached keep on betting until the first loss.
P.S. The casino pit boss syndrome: ,It`s NOT what they see but what they THINK they see.
QuoteSo out of 28,558 sets of 3, the most Losses in a row was 2 (6 spins betting 8 streets and zero). It sounds crazy but that's what Excel is telling me. See the attached results in notepad. As I said I include the zero.
Hi Edved77
Just to understand when you say "28,558 sets of 3": Do I understand this correctly when you say sets of 3, that you are betting 3 times? and of those 3 bets you win or?
Thanks - James
Hello,
I saw statistics from edved77 which is really interesting, so I decided to try myself. I ran statistics for 500 000 no zero spins from random org and 1 000 000 generated no zero spins. I used groups of streets suggested by RouletteGhost at the beginning.
Results are close to the results of edved77, though a bit worse.
In edved’s statistics there is 1 win in about 3 spins (85 671/27 644), there is 1 loss in about 94 spins (85 671/912) and 1 loss per about 30 wins (27 644/912).
In my statistics for 500 000 random org spins there is 1 win in about 3 spins, there is 1 loss in about 80 spins and 1 loss per about 25 wins.
In statistic for 1 000 000 spins there is 1 win in about 3 spins, there is 1 loss in about 81 spins and 1 loss per about 26 wins.
I’m not good at math hopefully I counted it well. :smile:
Results for 500 000 spins:
Total wins: 160 434
Wins on first spin: 110 875
Wins on second spin: 37 123
Wins on third spin: 12 436
Max wins in a row: 228
Total losses: 6 231
Max losses in a row: 4
Results for 1 000 000 spins:
Total wins: 321 009
Wins on first spin: 222 292
Wins on second spin: 74 101
Wins on third spin: 24 616
Max wins in a row: 247
Total losses: 12 323
Max losses in a row: 3
Thanks.
The way im testing right now is (see my chart) against previous 3 in the 3 wide matrix
I bet 1st spin. If win sit out next 2. If lose bet 2nd spin. If win sit out next one. If lose also sit out next one
No bet 3rd spin
1st and 2nd only with a 1 3 progression. Total risk of 8 units. Easily survives. As you and edved have shown minimal number of wins on spin 3 and the progression gets to deep on spin 3 so i dont play it. I am content with a 1 3 progression and stop there
Wont be sharing results or tweaks anymore. Just wanted to thank you
Play first bet only ! Parlay! :thumbsup:
Edit. Its 8 streets
So my math was wrong
It would be
Bet one: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
If win sit out next 2 spins
If lose
Bet two: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
If win sit out next spin
If lose sit out next spin
(sit out 3rd spin) first 2 bets of 3 wide matrix only and if we luck out only the 1st if its a winner
Then
Begin again
No results to show. No tests to post. That for u guys to do if u wish
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 09, 06:52 AM 2016
Hi Edved77
Just to understand when you say "28,558 sets of 3": Do I understand this correctly when you say sets of 3, that you are betting 3 times? and of those 3 bets you win or?
Thanks - James
Hi James - that's correct, a set is 3 spins and you hope that the pattern won't repeat exactly. For example:
group 1 hits
Group 2 hits
group 3 hits
So we bet against this pattern repeating exactly, so we need to bet groups:
2-3 + 0
1-3 + 0
1-2 + 0
Of course, if you win on the first spin, that's a win and you see out the remaining 2 spins (but no need to bet) to get the next pattern.
This is how i generated my stats. I still dont know the best way to put money down for this.
I hope that helps?
edved
Quote from: edved77 on Feb 11, 12:52 PM 2016
Hi James - that's correct, a set is 3 spins and you hope that the pattern won't repeat exactly. For example:
group 1 hits
Group 2 hits
group 3 hits
So we bet against this pattern repeating exactly, so we need to bet groups:
2-3 + 0
1-3 + 0
1-2 + 0
Of course, if you win on the first spin, that's a win and you see out the remaining 2 spins (but no need to bet) to get the next pattern.
This is how i generated my stats. I still dont know the best way to put money down for this.
I hope that helps?
edved
:thumbsup:
Thanks edved
Try my recommendation of first 2 bets only
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 12:58 PM 2016
:thumbsup:
Thanks edved
Try my recommendation of first 2 bets only
Will give it a go RG
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 12:58 PM 2016
:thumbsup:
Thanks edved
Try my recommendation of first 2 bets only
Will give it a go RG
Thanks for your explanation Edved :-)
RouletteGhost. I've been playing your recommendation with the 11111111,33333333 progression. But I don't sit out 1 or 2 spins. If I win on the first or second spin, I just start betting against a new 123 combination.
I haven't lost yet - But only been playing 20 spins on a live roulette.
The system looks pretty awesome so far :-)
Good. Milk those basta*ds
Before i het slammed for recommending a progression: my advice : stop at 3. 1 then 3 progression. Thats it.
1111111
3333333
Stop
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 11:44 AM 2016
Edit. Its 8 streets
So my math was wrong
It would be
Bet one: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
If win sit out next 2 spins
If lose
Bet two: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
If win sit out next spin
If lose sit out next spin
(sit out 3rd spin) first 2 bets of 3 wide matrix only and if we luck out only the 1st if its a winner
Then
Begin again
No results to show. No tests to post. That for u guys to do if u wish
@RouletteGhost - Why so you sit out 1 or 2 spins after a win? I assume when you say sit out, you mean doing 1 or 2 virtual spins or?
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 11, 02:07 PM 2016
@RouletteGhost - Why so you sit out 1 or 2 spins after a win? I assume when you say sit out, you mean doing 1 or 2 virtual spins or?
Correct
in mini games of 3
NOT on a rolling basis works better for me
But play what works for u
Look at my chart. If you see a green i made no more bets on that row
@Edved - I was thinking... Could you run your Excel simulation with 6 streets instead of 8?
Say you have the following two groups:
Group 1 streets: 1-3-5-7-9-11 (1-2-3 / 7-8-9 / 13-14-15 / 19-20-21 / 25-26-27 / 31-32-33)
Group 2 streets 2-4-6-8-10-12 (4-5-6 / 10-11-12 / 16-17-18 / 22-23-24 / 28-29-30 / 34-35-36)
And then you would bet against a pattern of 3 (212, 122, 121).
Regards - Rourke
this system is not on dozens or columns BUT
its been discussed before (as far as patterns go)....this is like the original grassroots
stuff does get regurgitated but searching the net you can uncover things
the man is crazy with the 1 3 9 27 81, but nonetheless he is betting against fixed patterns which intrigues me and is why i made this
link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1276310414/
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 11, 09:14 PM 2016
the man is crazy with the 1 3 9 27 81, but nonetheless he is betting against fixed patterns which intrigues me and is why i made this
Then you must think i'm nuts with the 1-3-9-27-81-243 progression of my tweak... :-P
But still, with the right bet selection.... With my tweak, after more than 3000 live spins, I have still yet to loose... Hit and Run man!! Hit and Run!!
You may never lose
Or when you do you may be ahead
I hope you continue to win
But shew i could not do that progression lol
I like having normal blood pressure
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Feb 11, 11:14 PM 2016
Then you must think i'm nuts with the 1-3-9-27-81-243 progression of my tweak... :-P
But still, with the right bet selection.... With my tweak, after more than 3000 live spins, I have still yet to loose... Hit and Run man!! Hit and Run!!
Hi SimonZed......are you messing with us, your progression?
Ken
In the next month, I can create 20 new methods....all are unplayable at a CASINO (& probably unplayable on goofy RNG). I can list them if any interest is shown?
Ken
I am probably gonna take my winnings to pay Roulette Xtreme guys to code my system maybe next week. I am tired of manually testing and I want to tests thousands of spins to know when it is gonna fail. I tested 2400 spins manually and got tired. I probably played something like 1000-1500 spins live online cause I was tired of playing and not winning anything... :-P
I'm up 240 units to date.
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 11, 03:44 PM 2016
@Edved - I was thinking... Could you run your Excel simulation with 6 streets instead of 8?
Say you have the following two groups:
Group 1 streets: 1-3-5-7-9-11 (1-2-3 / 7-8-9 / 13-14-15 / 19-20-21 / 25-26-27 / 31-32-33)
Group 2 streets 2-4-6-8-10-12 (4-5-6 / 10-11-12 / 16-17-18 / 22-23-24 / 28-29-30 / 34-35-36)
And then you would bet against a pattern of 3 (212, 122, 121).
Regards - Rourke
@Rourke - ok so odd and even streets as two groups. Ok, I will give this a go with the same original numbers I used for the previous test and will share my results. Will report back soon.
edved
Thanks Edved
I've actually already made my own simulation, where you only bet 6 streets against a combination of 3 (112, 121 etc).
I've posted 100.000 spins in the enclosed spreadsheet.
The spredsheet has the following columns:
Spin: Spin number
Step: Which step in the betting progression. If you reach 3, it's a loss
Status: Win or Loose. If you win, means you would have won, one of the bets in the 3 step combination. If you loose, you would have lost all three.
Finally - If you loose, I've automatically skipped the next combinations of 3 in order to avoid a double loss. However, as it show in my results, I stille managed to get quite a few double and even triple losses.
But let's compare results and see if we can find a progression that works for this :-)
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 12, 04:38 AM 2016
Thanks Edved
I've actually already made my own simulation, where you only bet 6 streets against a combination of 3 (112, 121 etc).
I've posted 100.000 spins in the enclosed spreadsheet.
The spredsheet has the following columns:
Spin: Spin number
Step: Which step in the betting progression. If you reach 3, it's a loss
Status: Win or Loose. If you win, means you would have won, one of the bets in the 3 step combination. If you loose, you would have lost all three.
Finally - If you loose, I've automatically skipped the next combinations of 3 in order to avoid a double loss. However, as it show in my results, I stille managed to get quite a few double and even triple losses.
But let's compare results and see if we can find a progression that works for this :-)
Hi Rourke,
Thanks for uploading your results, I will take a look when I get a sec. I managed to test just over 25k sets of 3 spins today.
Conditions of test:
Group 1 streets (odd) -1,3,5,7,9,11
Group 2 streets (even) -2,4,6,8,10,12
A game/round is 3 spins e.g - 121 - 322 - 222 (based on above groups)
- TEST #1 - only bet the first two spins (as Roulette Ghost suggested) and hope to avoid repeats of previous pattern
- TEST #2 - like first test but bet all 3 spins
- I included zero for both test
Results
TEST #1
Bet first 2 only (inc. zero)
Total spin - 85,668
Sets of 3 - 28,556
Total set wins - 22,100
Total set losses - 6,456
Longest Win Streak - 56
Longest Lose Streak - 6
TEST #2
Bet 3 spins (inc. zero)
Total spin - 85,668
Sets of 3 - 28,556
Total set wins - 25,505
Total set losses - 3,051
Longest Win Streak - 69
Longest Lose Streak -5
Possible betting plan (TEST #1)??
- Bet 1 unit on 6 streets and zero (7 units total)
- On a loss, raise all bets by 1 unit
- On a win, aim for a second win, then....
- reduce all bets by 1 unit
edved
The win streaks against previous 3 far exceed that of original grassroots
Bet selection :thumbsup:
The streaks outweigh the loss even if using a prog
I will stick to the 1 3 progression on the 1st 2 bets of matrix only.
Thanks for you work i will continue to follow
Nice post Edved and thanks for your results. This is really a good strategy and I like the extra touch of betting on 0 as insurance.
How ever, I don't quite agree on continuing betting after a win. To me it kind of takes the whole idea away from this strategy. A: You have already broken then sequence of 3 by winning the first or second time. And B: What if you loose... You will come out of that sequence with a loss or break-even, even though the sequence was a win.
I will do some more testing on this on a live wheel and post my results :-)
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 12, 04:17 PM 2016
Nice post Edved and thanks for your results. This is really a good strategy and I like the extra touch of betting on 0 as insurance.
How ever, I don't quite agree on continuing betting after a win. To me it kind of takes the whole idea away from this strategy. A: You have already broken then sequence of 3 by winning the first or second time. And B: What if you loose... You will come out of that sequence with a loss or break-even, even though the sequence was a win.
I will do some more testing on this on a live wheel and post my results :-)
1 time a day. Big boy units. One day you may lose. One day you may win
Nature of the beast
i am sharing this because i dont want to see you guys lose money
i am seeing MUCH different results on the european wheel
i played tonight for fun, online (against my better judgement) $25 dollars (which i lost, just messin around for fun trying my luck). it was the mainstreet groups sun palace which is accredited by the Wizard. even though it is "accredited" there is just something about it i do not like. I wish we had a larger market. it wouldnt let me lay chips at times for no reason, weird things. id rather the $10 to $20 minimum at B and M over $1 online which i just dont really trust
anyway, i recorded my streets bet selection
In 36 spins I saw: 5 unique patterns, 2 exact repeats, and both repeats were uniques
my recommendation: if you play this on european, wait until you SEE a repeat (unique or not) then bet against it.
I cannot say if this was an anomaly but I haven't seen this on american, so I assume it is the wheel layout difference or I just haven't tested it enough. but im going with wheel layout difference
I wanted to play american but the wheel is off tonight, euro only, im crazy i know
the results:
222
131
311
322
023
332
123
132 <-----
132 <-----
231 <-----
231 <-----
333
"I cannot say if this was an anomaly but I haven't seen this on american, so I assume it is the wheel layout difference" >>> or because there is one less number and the H.E. is cut in half. I dont know, I'm just throwing it out there, I could be wrong.
Ken
Hi RouletteGhost.
Why would the layout of the wheel have anything to do with how sucessful this strategy is?
I've tried this strategy with both Dozens and Columns and I'm equally sucessful. I'm playing on an european wheel.
Regards - Rourke
i didnt mean that
what i meant was we may have different pattern frequencies on the streets, due to the different wheel layouts.
123
321
223
etc
2 hours non stop play..
Against previous 3
Betting on the second spin only
Parlay.
That was almost to easy :thumbsup:
Just thought I mentioned it
Quote from: denzie on Feb 22, 05:52 AM 2016
2 hours non stop play..
Against previous 3
Betting on the second spin only
Parlay.
That was almost to easy :thumbsup:
Just thought I mentioned it
Could you please explain the method you using and what kind of a progression?
Quote from: Az_MAX on Feb 22, 08:13 AM 2016
Could you please explain the method you using and what kind of a progression?
Use the street groups RG made in the first page here. Put them in a 3 wide matrix.
Now bet against the previous 3 . But I only bet on the second spin if the first missed.
If the first was a hit we sit out next 2 spins.
Progression parlay 1-1, 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 8-8, 12-12, etc
The wins come clustered which is what we need. But was just a test... fun and fast ...
Quote from: denzie on Feb 22, 10:19 AM 2016
Use the street groups RG made in the first page here. Put them in a 3 wide matrix.
Now bet against the previous 3 . But I only bet on the second spin if the first missed.
If the first was a hit we sit out next 2 spins.
Progression parlay 1-1, 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 8-8, 12-12, etc
The wins come clustered which is what we need. But was just a test... fun and fast ...
What do you mean by "if the first missed" Denzie?
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 22, 04:05 PM 2016
What do you mean by "if the first missed" Denzie?
-Rourke
I think he is saying that he only follows the progression to the second level (3U) before resetting.
If a loss on the second bet you would pass on the third spin and wait three more spins to give you a fresh 3 number matrix.
I am sure he will clarify this.
-Celtic