This is a doubledozen bet (4 ds). It makes the assuption that a dozen repeat is a rare event, and in most cases that seems to be true. It's fast, easy and fun to play, that's how a roulette-system should be! ^-^
TRIGGER- Always bet against the two last doublestreet hit, with 4 doublestreets.
Progression: Double bets for each loss, and once you get a hit, keep the same bet in the progression-line for one more hit, then reset to 1u. This will always make you recovered and ahead of the game.
First tests was played with 1u bets, wingoal +100u, stoploss -500u.
Highest step in progression was step 7, 64u: (1-2-4-8-16-32-64)
10/10 Games won.
You get in and grab what you wanted.
No 10 is missing.
Thanks Ig!
Here is the 10th game, maximum step in progression was step 8 128u (1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128). it was good that it happened, so it demonstrates the drawdown. still it didn't bust: 500u bankroll is required for this one, (playing with 1u bets).
Still 10/10 Games won, +1000u profits.
There are so many problems with this post that I almost didn't even want to comment.
I'll just assume that no one would ever try to play this way.
I read once that its best to slowly walk backwards, waving your arms and screaming when confronted by a Bear.
A better technique is to not go where there are Bears.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 09, 06:49 AM 2016
There are so many problems with this post that I almost didn't even want to comment.
I'll just assume that no one would ever try to play this way.
I will use notepad from now on.
Take your bullying to elsewhere, or come up with something better yourself.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 09, 08:03 AM 2016
I will use notepad from now on.
Take your bullying to elsewhere, or come up with something better yourself.
:thumbsup: common theme here lately
At least he didnt edit ur post to make it look like you said something bad. Ignatus you are better off posting on another forum.....trust me. Got wizard of odds style mods here now. No longer a roulette strategy forum its just condescending now
The moderators should delete testing zone and the notepad since they have something to say about it all now.
Its the reason why im done.
That and them thinking their ways are best.
Steve should be upset his mods push people away. Even if a poster makes a stupid method leave them alone.
Some people are hobbyists like yourself. They shouldnt spoil your fun.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 09, 08:03 AM 2016
I will use notepad from now on.
Take your bullying to elsewhere, or come up with something better yourself.
Well said Ignatus - I've never seen anyone come up with so many strategies as you - we'll done.
It is up to members of this forum to read, understand and then test for themselves - that is the only way to learn and either get confidence in a strategy that works or see for themselves first hand that is bombs.
Nick
The spikes in the graphs have to be a major concern for the discerning eye surely to god.
Quote from: Turner on Feb 09, 08:37 AM 2016
The spikes in the graphs have to be a major concern for the discerning eye surely to god.
Yes, i played with martingale and without stoploss, that was not such a good idea, true
But then tweak it your own way, play with stoploss and another DD-progression
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 09, 08:41 AM 2016
Yes, i played with martingale and without stoploss, that was not such a good idea, true
But then tweak it your own way, play with stoploss and another DD-progression
A nice reply...thanks.
I dont agree with DD betting. They always end in tears.
Its a view formed from endless testing.
The progressions are ugly and your graphs show exactly what happens. Run away spikes.
My bear analogy is basically saying that we dont have to put ourself under such pressure right from the off.
DD bets have no wiggle room to fall back and adjust.
Its full blown commitment right from the off.
It may be fast and easy....but its rarely fun.
Just my view.
Quote from: Turner on Feb 09, 08:54 AM 2016
A nice reply...thanks.
I dont agree with DD betting. They always end in tears.
Its a view formed from endless testing.
Yes, i can somewhat agree, I had never luck with DD- except for this trigger, a dozen repeat IS a rare event,....(and more than 2 repeats are also rare, that's what i've noticed, from playing another system "dozen repeater" that was betting for a third repeat, this is the opposite) but the question is if this trigger works in reality and not just theory....
Well your spike must be dozens repeating which is variance
If you had bet the dozen to repeat during this you would be quids in.
Wonder if that can be utilised
Just thinking...I wouldnt bet this way
1 1 2 3 4 6
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 09, 06:49 AM 2016
There are so many problems with this post that I almost didn't even want to comment.
I'll just assume that no one would ever try to play this way.
If I would have superior knowledge in this matters, I would put together few key points and post it here , like this:
1. Dear Ignatus and fellows Forumers, keep away from this kind of progressions
2. If you are using progression, keep it smooth or at least make some cycles...
3. Concentrate more on DS and Streets, because...
4. Try playing with EC's...
5. I have good experience with Singles/Splits if you would have patience and play it like this...
6. Sorry, don't have more time today, but I will jump in here and there to check, bla bla
7. Little joke...
And that kind of post will be of much more worth for future TG's, then just point No 7!
When it comes to hobbies certain people do things differently.
2 people have RC cars. One guy hits a turn full speed to skid other guys slows down first. Guy that slows down bashes the guy who skids and puts him down. Hows that gonna end?
Very very counter productive to be condescending
Brings the negativity and its just not good
If you dont like a method dont throw a tantrum, press the back button and move on
Ignatus puts a lot of effort in. So did i. Ideas, testing, charts. For what? to get sh*t on. So stupid. Usually by people who post ZERO tests themselves. Most put it down before even trying it out themselves first. Those math boyssssss.
Math boys need to realize that hobbyists dont give a damn about the math they are not interested. They have fun creating and testing. (woV is the forum for that malarky)
Ignatus i wish you the best you deserve it
Its a hobby not a bank run. Have fun at it. I will continue to
But you are doing exactly the same with counter claims keeping the issue live
No one has broken any rules so lets move on.
I meant no insult - but anyone who has tested and played methods and systems knows
full well what happens when playing like this.
Certain people complaining when someone tells them the truth - doesn't make the truth a lie.
I only tell the truth - that being that this is a terrible way to play, so move on to something else.
Calling someone a "bully" for telling you the truth and facts (which will help you along on your quest) is nonsense.
I could have pointed out each and every problem in detail - yes.
Nothing would change the fact that telling people the truth when something is terrible makes you
the bad guy (and I'm fine with that).
Do you want specifics then ?
A) "It makes the assuption that a dozen repeat is a rare event, and in most cases that seems to be true"
A dozen repeating is NOT a rare event - in any way whatsoever.
It happens at least once every 3 tries on average. This is simple and basic math.
It is the truth.
B) "TRIGGER" - as I've said in another thread - triggers have been PROVEN to not help the
player in any way whatsoever. There is no "event" that tells you what the next "event" will be
in a game where each spin is independent from the last.
This is simple and basic math. It is the truth.
C) "This will always make you recovered and ahead of the game."
No, it won't. The dozen repeats over and over - the 0 or the 0 / 00 appear, then the same
dozen repeats again (as you'll see in your tests). You lose a massive amount with this progression, and as you can see from the results - any profit is very small when it "does" work - therefore, one
progression loss (which is not rare) would wipe out countless hours of playing and winning the small profits. So the comment is not the truth - you won't "always" recover and be ahead.
D) "maximum step in progression was step 8 128u (1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128)" So I'll assume that playing in AC with a $10.00 min bet on the outside.. I need to eventually wager $1,280.00 on 2 different dozens and then pray to GOD that a 0 or 00 or that the dozen doesn't repeat - because then I'm screwed - and it DOES happen frequently, and I will be screwed. Do I want others to try this ? No.
Therefore I said so.
In closing (and I'll leave your thread alone) - I stick by what I said, it was not insulting - it was certainly not bullying in any way, shape or form.
If you want to sign up for college and then tell the professor that he's bullying you for trying
to teach you something - that's up to you. I won't waste my time further with it.
I've heard my share of "He thinks he knows everything" - fair enough, ignorance is bliss.
This type of progression and bet selection is very bad, and I would suggest no one play it with
'real' money.
Thanks for reading. Good luck with your journey - be able to accept criticism in the future.
OK thanks for your reply TG, i will consider what you said
Here is just some basic data from running spins.
I'm not sure if it helps or not - you can decide.
Worth noting - the "Max Interval" column - showing how many spins a dozen or column "didn't show" in a row.
Also - the "Max repeats" showing how many times a dozen or column repeated itself for that many spins.
The 0 and 00 aren't factored in either - which is bad because that is important info as well since in a method like this - that spin would count as a loss but in the chart wouldn't count because the streak of "same in a row" showing is broken and restarted. So it's important and not there. A code can be written to show this though.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 09, 06:18 PM 2016
I meant no insult - but anyone who has tested and played methods and systems knows
full well what happens when playing like this.
Certain people complaining when someone tells them the truth - doesn't make the truth a lie.
I only tell the truth - that being that this is a terrible way to play, so move on to something else.
Calling someone a "bully" for telling you the truth and facts (which will help you along on your quest) is nonsense.
I could have pointed out each and every problem in detail - yes.
Nothing would change the fact that telling people the truth when something is terrible makes you
the bad guy (and I'm fine with that).
Do you want specifics then ?
A) "It makes the assuption that a dozen repeat is a rare event, and in most cases that seems to be true"
A dozen repeating is NOT a rare event - in any way whatsoever.
It happens at least once every 3 tries on average. This is simple and basic math.
It is the truth.
B) "TRIGGER" - as I've said in another thread - triggers have been PROVEN to not help the
player in any way whatsoever. There is no "event" that tells you what the next "event" will be
in a game where each spin is independent from the last.
This is simple and basic math. It is the truth.
C) "This will always make you recovered and ahead of the game."
No, it won't. The dozen repeats over and over - the 0 or the 0 / 00 appear, then the same
dozen repeats again (as you'll see in your tests). You lose a massive amount with this progression, and as you can see from the results - any profit is very small when it "does" work - therefore, one
progression loss (which is not rare) would wipe out countless hours of playing and winning the small profits. So the comment is not the truth - you won't "always" recover and be ahead.
D) "maximum step in progression was step 8 128u (1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128)" So I'll assume that playing in AC with a $10.00 min bet on the outside.. I need to eventually wager $1,280.00 on 2 different dozens and then pray to GOD that a 0 or 00 or that the dozen doesn't repeat - because then I'm screwed - and it DOES happen frequently, and I will be screwed. Do I want others to try this ? No.
Therefore I said so.
In closing (and I'll leave your thread alone) - I stick by what I said, it was not insulting - it was certainly not bullying in any way, shape or form.
If you want to sign up for college and then tell the professor that he's bullying you for trying
to teach you something - that's up to you. I won't waste my time further with it.
I've heard my share of "He thinks he knows everything" - fair enough, ignorance is bliss.
This type of progression and bet selection is very bad, and I would suggest no one play it with
'real' money.
Thanks for reading. Good luck with your journey - be able to accept criticism in the future.
well said :thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 09, 06:37 PM 2016
OK thanks for your reply TG, i will consider what you said
well received :thumbsup:
"Math boys need to realize that hobbyists dont give a damn about the math they are not interested."
This is a game based almost totally on math (lol).
How does one ignore the basics of the game and expect to have success ?
As a "hobby" - playing on a computer for pretend money ? Of course. Have at it.
I tend to think that people are looking for ways to play that can provide them actual $ profit.
So a surfing competitor shouldn't bother learning about the ocean or waves or even the type of boards they are using - they shouldn't listen to people who have won competitions and have massive knowledge on the subject ? No ? Just cross your fingers, listen to the bystanders advice and then go out into the ocean and "have a fun 'ol time...."
Nonsense. You'll never win - this is a casino game we all want to "win".
"they shouldn't listen to people who have won competitions and have massive knowledge on the subject ? No ? Just cross your fingers, listen to the bystanders advice and then go out into the ocean and "have a fun 'ol time...."
Nonsense. You'll never win" >>> BINGO.
I guess you say it better than me Turbo (lol). I would have inserted at least 5 foul names. Point being, regardless who says it...... they (not all) need to realize what does NOT work. Then like going up a ladder, learn step by step. I have to stop now.....too much in my head to post (stop Ken, stop!).
Guys, knowing what does NOT work is 75% of the battle !!!! Think about that, you would be 75% *CLOSER* to a decent method (never a HG).
Ken
“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them thinkâ€
Socrates
We are just a couple of goofs at another forum, that's all we are.........so what does it matter anyways.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 09, 07:52 PM 2016
We are just a couple of goofs at another forum, that's all we are.........so what does it matter anyways.
....."another forum" ?
@ Turbo
Thanks for time invested. I am sure that helps and we will never again want to see playing DD with Martingale.
For sure one of the things that not work.
Any advice on what to concentrate in future attempts?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 09, 07:52 PM 2016
We are just a couple of goofs at another forum, that's all we are.........so what does it matter anyways.
Your upset? I said similar to Turbo and no one thanked me !. I think they all hate me :twisted:
Damn that Turbo and his good looks
Quote from: Turner on Feb 10, 03:52 AM 2016
Your upset? I said similar to Turbo and no one thanked me !. I think they all hate me :twisted:
Damn that Turbo and his good looks
lol :thumbsup:
Just out of curiosity, did you arrive to the stop-loss after the 10th game and had lost 460u? would the strategy been different if, may be, you made losses above 500u? or at least the stop-loss?