This is 6 numbers bet, flatbet.
consider these wheel streets (European Wheel)
Wheelstreet1 = 15-19-32
Wheelstreet2 = 2-4-21
Wheelstreet3 = 17-25-34
Wheelstreet4 = 6-13-27
Wheelstreet5 = 11-30-36
Wheelstreet6 = 8-10-23
Wheelstreet7 = 5-16-24
Wheelstreet8 = 1-20-33
Wheelstreet9 = 9-14-31
Wheelstreet10= 18-22-29
Wheelstreet11= 7-12-28
Wheelstreet12= 3-26-35
Procedure: For each hit, bet the two neighbouring wheelstreets for 6 spins, then STOP.
For an example wheelstreet 5 hits, now wheelstreets 4 and 6 are bet for 6 spins.
First test was played with 1u bets
4/5 Games won
more spins....
7/8 Games won
Ignatus, ideas, from where they are coming...?
Anyway - Thanks - nice peace of work!
Quote from: nextyear on Feb 16, 03:45 AM 2016
Ignatus, ideas, from where they are coming...?
Anyway - Thanks - nice peace of work!
Thanks,.. I try many ideas, some work, some do not! ;)
8/10 Games won
Hi ignatus
Could you run the wheel streets and the carpet streets at the same time in your tests. Would this not help to see if distribution of the carpet streets is better,same or worst.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 16, 05:55 AM 2016
Hi ignatus
Could you run the wheel streets and the carpet streets at the same time in your tests. Would this not help to see if distribution of the carpet streets is better,same or worst.
OK Here are the test for the carpet-street test: 3/7 games won. That's definitly worse results (Played with the same spins as the wheel-streets test)
Reason why the wheel-streets work better, I believe, IS because numbers tend to hit in clusters on the wheel...the carpet bet is just random, and makes no sense to the wheel.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 16, 06:33 AM 2016
OK Here are the test for the carpet-street test: 3/7 games won. That's definitly worse results (Played with the same spins as the wheel-streets test)
Reason why the wheel-streets work better, I beliveve, IS because numbers tend to hit in clusters on the wheel...the carpet bet is just random, and makes no sense to the wheel.
Just my view. Mathematically there is no difference. The carpet bets just showed the losses that can happen with that bet selection. You just havnt seen them on the wheel yet.
If you get 3/7 with the wheel....go test same no.s on carpet. Probably will be better for that set of numbers.
Worth a try to just see there is no difference
Its certainly worth knowing there is no difference
This is why I could be led to think that betting 6 numbers in a row from the wheel is somehow better than betting a line off the carpet
It isnt
Quote from: Turner on Feb 16, 06:51 AM 2016
Just my view. Mathematically there is no difference. The carpet bets just showed the losses that can happen with that bet selection. You just havnt seen them on the wheel yet.
If you get 3/7 with the wheel....go test same no.s on carpet. Probably will be better for that set of numbers.
Worth a try to just see there is no difference
Its certainly worth knowing there is no difference
This is why I could be led to think that betting 6 numbers in a row from the wheel is somehow better than betting a line off the carpet
It isnt
so, the wheel and carpet bet doesn't make any difference?? Tell that to Steve and MrJ ...haha...no Turner, your wrong this time,....furthermore why should i do all the testings? If you can prove me wrong you're welcome with results.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 16, 07:06 AM 2016
so, the wheel and carpet bet doesn't make any difference?? Tell that to Steve and MrJ ...haha...no Turner, your wrong this time,....furthermore why should i do all the testings? If you can prove me wrong you're welcome with results.
Ok mate :thumbsup:
Thanks ignatus
For taking the time to run those same numbers. To me it shows why methods should be worked with the wheel layout, as someone said the carpet is there only to confuse us.
What would it be like to have the carpet the same as the wheel?
Why did Luck of the Irish / winkel do 500,00 cycles of of 37 spins, to find how many unique hit, answer majority of time 24. KTF 30 spins 15 non hit majority of the time.
Do those 24 cluster so making wheel streets favorable.
Please test some more ignatus, it will be interesting to see, who or if, its even, mat v wheel
Showed good results on the wheel
Will you be testing anymore
Quote from: Turner on Feb 16, 06:51 AM 2016
Mathematically there is no difference.
Absolutely right
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 16, 07:06 AM 2016
...no Turner, your wrong this time,....furthermore why should i do all the testings? If you can prove me wrong you're welcome with results.
There's nothing to prove, it's math and it's already proven.
How you arrange the numbers on the table or the wheel, or both - does not change the math
to give some advantage when there wasn't one before.
2+2=4 - you can arrange it in many ways but you get the same result.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 20, 05:35 PM 2016
Absolutely right
There's nothing to prove, it's math and it's already proven.
How you arrange the numbers on the table or the wheel, or both - does not change the math
to give some advantage when there wasn't one before.
2+2=4 - you can arrange it in many ways but you get the same result.
Amen
You play your strategy(s) under the same math rules though. We are all bound to the math of roulette.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 20, 06:39 PM 2016
You play your strategy(s) under the same math rules though. We are all bound to the math of roulette.
Sorry...I read this several times. I dont know what you mean. Please explain
no matter how you slice the cake no matter how you or i play the odds are the same
to each their own
thats all im saying
So, you're saying that the betselection doesn't matter?
If i would bet 6 random numbers, (or 2 streets) would produce the same result? No, that is not true, and that i have proven by testing betting the carpet-street neighbours vs. the wheel-street neighbours...
You don´t test enough. Lucky runs prove nothing.
Quote from: psimoes on Feb 21, 03:15 AM 2016
You don´t test enough. Lucky runs prove nothing.
I don't ? i just tested 10 sessions, now 3 more; (why should i do all the testings?)
11/13 Games won
1008 :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 20, 07:59 PM 2016
no matter how you slice the cake no matter how you or i play the odds are the same
to each their own
thats all im saying
Cheers.. I get you
Say you are playing 12 wheel numbers
It just easier to play a doz than 12 numbers.
You would be playing 12 wheel numbers because everything failed playing 1 doz.
You did all the testing on the doz so you have already done all the testing for 12 numbers.
They are the same...unless the wheel is biased
You could even make your own 3 sets of 12 that arnt on the carpet or wheel and call them magic pie cake sectors.
Makes no difference
Well it does because its a ball ache placing the bets
Turners right it will lose and ignatus has shown it will lose, now and again, needs more testing,
But i'd take the1008profit
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 21, 04:55 AM 2016
Turners right it will lose and ignatus has shown it will lose, now and again, needs more testing,
But i'd take the1008profit
What have i been missing? What 1008 profit?
I tested the wheel-bet and the carpet bet. The carpet bet lost, and the wheel-bet won.
Why do Turner believe that the betselection doesn't matter?
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 21, 05:24 AM 2016
What have i been missing? What 1008 profit?
I tested the wheel-bet and the carpet bet. The carpet bet lost, and the wheel-bet won.
Why do Turner believe that the betselection doesn't matter?
I dont believe...I know. Its maths. I cant argue with maths
The question is why do you believe it?
Its not maths so what is it.
Why are 3 numbers off the wheel different to 3 off the carpet
11 winning games.
Took the the result from each graph. Those 11 wins looked after the 2 lost games.
Is it dealer signature, what if it was airball.
Anyway ignatus i always browse your topics, this one needs some more testing, but i am no coder, if only i'd went to those math lessons, no, good i didn't go to the math lessons, i wouldn't be seeing great ideas like this.
So for me fcuk the maths, RFH has still got to catch me, LOL.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 21, 05:55 AM 2016
So for me fcuk the maths, RFH has still got to catch me, LOL.
That's the spirit!! :xd:
more spins...
13/16 Games won
Does that mean More profit
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 21, 08:53 AM 2016
Does that mean More profit
Yes? From the tests i did today i won 5/6 games
Keep going,great results, perhaps the math will catch up :lol:
16/19 Games won
we'll have to add the profit up
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Re: divide the wheel
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 11:00:36 PM »
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Street on the mat, lets say 36 hits, so street is 34,35,36.
Now those three numbers can become 3 streets on the wheel. 17(34)6 - 12(35)3 - 13(36)11
now you can flat bet for 4 spins or with a progression.
This on rng with .20p units can bet the 9 numbers for 14 spins, now as said rng, Knacked now as been looking at old rng spins all day, guess what, so far never gone behind 14 spins,every game so far not lost.
Going to be a busy day tomorrow
I should have kept up with this idea