A lot of people in the chat asked me whether I play KTF. While I like the fact that it is a system that has gone so many days without losing and I like the sincerity in which that westham fan promotes the system, I dont play it. Nottophammer, we were playing once in the olympic stadium and was proud to move out of it to allianz. Wish that day for your as well.
The most prominent system I play is on 12 numbers. People playing in B%M step aside, as this will be best suited for online play with those favourite bet saving buttons, one for each dozen on numbers.
I start recording until we get 12 numbers. Now after the 12 numbers, I wait for the next spin. If it is outside the 12, I play the remaining 25 numbers. If it is not, I dont play. If it is outside the 12 numbers I wait for once until it goes back to the 12 numbers and comes back. If at any time in profit of more than 50, I come out and start tracking. If not I keep playing this. Once we reach 24 numbers, then i shuffle the numbers in 2. I play the opposite of 12 numbers that just arrived until a repeat happens.
The numbers are borrowed from KTF thread. link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538). If you KTFPissa it, this is how it will look like.
14, 16 upto 9 in spin 16 when I get 12 numbers.
15 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 17. +11
24 in the 12 numbers. Play 12 numbers win. 19. +35
30 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 23. +46
No play until 34, as it is always the 25 numbers that was not in 12. Then comes 34 which is in the 12. Play 12 numbers win. 32 in spin number 26.
+70 in 26 spins. All flat betting, no progression.
Ouch....lol. the westham thing sent my eyebrow up.....the single fingerprint on the glass confirms
Careless....tut..tut :thumbsup:
Interesting aproach. Can you please put up more examples when you run this?
I have 3 questions down below:
Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 19, 11:48 PM 2016
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I start recording until we get 12 numbers. Now after the 12 numbers, I wait for the next spin. If it is outside the 12, I play the remaining 25 numbers. If it is not, I dont play. In the example below you do bet the 12 numbers? Can you explain more or do I miss something.. After #24..If it is outside the 12 numbers I wait for once until it goes back to the 12 numbers and comes back. If at any time in profit of more than 50, I come out and start tracking. If not I keep playing this.
This shuffle part I do not understand in the example. Can you please explain that more and give an example?
Once we reach 24 numbers, then i shuffle the numbers in 2. I play the opposite of 12 numbers that just arrived until a repeat happens.How long do you bet until a repeat happens?
The numbers are borrowed from KTF thread. link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538). If you KTFPissa it, this is how it will look like.
14, 16 upto 9 in spin 16 when I get 12 numbers.
15 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 17. +11
24 in the 12 numbers. Play 12 numbers win. 19. +35
30 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 23. +46
No play until 34, as it is always the 25 numbers that was not in 12. Then comes 34 which is in the 12. Play 12 numbers win. 32 in spin number 26.
+70 in 26 spins. All flat betting, no progression.
Thanks for a new method always interesting to test.
@KTFPissa
Why is it that your username sounds familiar?
Should it mean something? Good or bad?
So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?
spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 6 36
2 34 35
3 27 34
4 35 33
5 22 32 J247 20.04.16
6 14 31
7 1 30
8 25 29
9 9 28 stake
10 24 27 non-hit return (+/-)
11 6 r 1 27 0 -27
12 34 r 2 54 0 -81
13 0 26 3 81 108 -54
14 16 25 2 52 72 -34
15 36 24 1 25 36 -23
16 4 23 1 24 36 -11
17 18 22 1 23 36 2
18 25 r 1 22 0 -20
19 22 r 2 44 0 -64
20 25 r 3 66 0 -130
21 31 21 4 88 144 -74
22 29 20 3 63 108 -29
23 1 r 2 40 0 -69
24 33 19 3 60 108 -21
25 25 r 2 38 0 -59
26 31 r 3 57 0 -116
27 6 r 4 76 0 -192
28 18 r 5 95 0 -287
29 23 18 6 114 216 -185
30 17 17 5 90 180 -95
31 35 r 4 68 0 -163
32 35 r 5 85 0 -248
33 26 16 6 102 216 -134
34 20 15 5 80 180 -34
35 16 r 4 60 0 -94
36 15 14 5 75 180 11
37 35 r 4 56 0 -45
38 0 r 5 70 0 -115
39 8 13 6 84 216 17
40 8 r 5 65 0 -48
41 19 12 6 78 216 90
42 12 11 5 60 180 210
43 11 10 4 44 144 310
44 27
45 14
46 15
47 21
48 6
49 34
50 7
51 8
52 21
53 34
54 1
55 31
56 9
57 21
58 32
59 33
60 31
61 30
62 33
63 17
64 30
65 16
66 33
67 18
68 6
69 22
70 9
71 35
72 34
73 24
74 1
75 6
76 4
77 11
78 24
79 10
80 14
81 20
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 20, 09:10 AM 2016
So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?
I run the first numbers in the KTF sheet. KTF1.jpg is the name with @KTFPissa win of 70.
Before I'm betting the trigger has come. That @KTFPissa is talking about.
I then run the new numbers from notto in the same way in KTF2.jpg
I'm up to 46 after #22. But then I start to bet 12 and gets 2 losses. I have marked that with a question mark.
What do I do after that? Continue betting on the 12 or switching back to 25?
Will be interesting to see when @KTFPissa runs this. Can you please run all the spins?
Thanks in advance
- Tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 20, 09:10 AM 2016
So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?
I am not great in explaining the play. But will keep on trying until some who are interested is able to grasp this. This is how I play the numbers from today.
6 34 27 35 22 14 1 25 9 24 0 16
First 12 unique numbers at the end of spin 14. I wait for a number not from this 12 to come through.
36 in the 15th spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 4 comes through. +11. Now I wait for the number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
25 in the 18th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 22 comes through. +35. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.
31 in the 21st spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 29 comes through. +46. Now I wait for the number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
1 in the 23rd spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 33 comes through. +34. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
25 in the 25th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 31 comes through. +22. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
6 in the 27th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 18 comes through. +10. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
35 in the 31st spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 35 comes through. +34. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.
26 in the 33rd spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 20 comes through. +45. Now I wait for the number that is in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
16 in the 35th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 15 comes through. +33. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
35 in the 37th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 0 comes through. +57. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.
Here I stop as the profit target reached. But what if I continue, this is how I play.
8 in the 39th spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 8 comes again. +68.
Now the game changes slightly. I have collected 24 spins. I have 2 sets of 12 numbers and 1 set of 13 numbers. I play the opposite of 12/13 numbers that comes through. After every hit, I wait until a set comes again. The sets of numbers are
1st set 6 34 27 35 22 14 1 25 9 24 0 16
2nd set 36 4 18 31 29 33 23 17 26 20 15 8
3rd set remaining 13 numbers.
8 was the last spin which is in the second set from 40th spin. So I play 1st and 3rd set. 19 comes through. +11. Wait until a set comes again.
12 comes through in spin 42. Play 1st and 2nd set. -24.
11 in spin 43. Play 1st and 2nd set. +12. Wait until a set comes again.
14. Play 2nd and 3rd set. +11. Wait until a set comes again.
6 in spin 48. -25.
34 in spin 49. +11.
21 in spin 52. +11
1 in spin 54. +11
9 in spin 56. +11. Ouch, my head is aching now. I think that explains it. Next example tomorrow when you post the numbers.
Thanks KTFPissa, I see now that I run them correctly. I should have continued playing the 12 unique numbers.
So now it just the last part when you are playing the sets. But I will understand that as well :smile:
Do you understand my sheets?
Thanks again..
I played these numbers from KTF:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146249#msg146249
The numbers:
spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 30 36
2 24 35
3 19 34
4 12 33
5 13 32
6 30 R
7 29 31
8 26 30
9 1 29
10 11 28
11 26 R 1 28 0 -28
12 14 27 2 56 72 -12
13 13 R 1 27 0 -39
14 21 26 2 54 72 -21
15 5 25 1 26 36 -11
16 16 24 1 25 36 0
17 11 R 1 24 0 -24
18 10 23 2 48 72 0
19 23 22 1 23 36 13
20 35 21 1 22 36 27
21 14 R 1 21 0 6
22 25 20 2 42 72 36
23 8 19 1 20 36 52
24 20 18 1 19 36 69
25 8 R 1 18 0 51
26 0 17 2 36 72 87
27 15 16 1 17 36 106
28 6 15 1 16 36 126
29 26 R 1 15 0 111
30 17 14 2 30 72 153
31 26 R 1 14 0 139
32 31 13 2 28 72 183
33 6 R 1 13 0 170
34 2 12 2 26 72 216
35 20 R 1 12 0 204
36 21 R 2 24 0 180
37 35 R 3 36 0 144
38 33 11 4 48 144 240
39 34 10 3 33 108 315
40 5 R 2 20 0 295
41 2 R 3 30 0 265
42 31 R 4 40 0 225
43 30 R 5 50 0 175
44 13 R 6 60 0 115
45 23 R 7 70 0 45
46 8 R 8 80 0 -35
47 27 9 9 90 324 199
48 22 8 8 72 288 415
49 9 7 7 56 252 611
50 17 R 6 42 0 569
51 22 R 7 49 0 520
52 28 R 8 56 0 464
53 0 R 9 63 0 401
54 1 R 10 70 0 331
55 3 6 11 77 396 650
56 22
57 3
58 6
59 17
60 21
I was in minus when arriving to 24 numbers and started to bet the sets.
Would be interesting to see how you play these. Thanks.
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 21, 04:39 AM 2016
Would be interesting to see how you play these. Thanks.
Most certainly yes. I think if we play only these 60 numbers it will be an incomplete session. Can you provide an additional 30-40 numbers that we can append at the end so that I can show you how to play these numbers. Even a random set of 30-40 numbers generated from random.org is alright.
Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 21, 12:36 PM 2016
Most certainly yes. I think if we play only these 60 numbers it will be an incomplete session. Can you provide an additional 30-40 numbers that we can append at the end so that I can show you how to play these numbers. Even a random set of 30-40 numbers generated from random.org is alright.
No problem. I added 40 random numbers after:
spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 30 36
2 24 35
3 19 34
4 12 33
5 13 32
6 30 R
7 29 31
8 26 30
9 1 29
10 11 28
11 26 R 1 28 0 -28
12 14 27 2 56 72 -12
13 13 R 1 27 0 -39
14 21 26 2 54 72 -21
15 5 25 1 26 36 -11
16 16 24 1 25 36 0
17 11 R 1 24 0 -24
18 10 23 2 48 72 0
19 23 22 1 23 36 13
20 35 21 1 22 36 27
21 14 R 1 21 0 6
22 25 20 2 42 72 36
23 8 19 1 20 36 52
24 20 18 1 19 36 69
25 8 R 1 18 0 51
26 0 17 2 36 72 87
27 15 16 1 17 36 106
28 6 15 1 16 36 126
29 26 R 1 15 0 111
30 17 14 2 30 72 153
31 26 R 1 14 0 139
32 31 13 2 28 72 183
33 6 R 1 13 0 170
34 2 12 2 26 72 216
35 20 R 1 12 0 204
36 21 R 2 24 0 180
37 35 R 3 36 0 144
38 33 11 4 48 144 240
39 34 10 3 33 108 315
40 5 R 2 20 0 295
41 2 R 3 30 0 265
42 31 R 4 40 0 225
43 30 R 5 50 0 175
44 13 R 6 60 0 115
45 23 R 7 70 0 45
46 8 R 8 80 0 -35
47 27 9 9 90 324 199
48 22 8 8 72 288 415
49 9 7 7 56 252 611
50 17 R 6 42 0 569
51 22 R 7 49 0 520
52 28 R 8 56 0 464
53 0 R 9 63 0 401
54 1 R 10 70 0 331
55 3 6 11 77 396 650
56 22
57 3
58 6
59 17
60 21
61 33
62 33
63 25
64 3
65 23
66 1
67 14
68 22
69 2
70 23
71 34
72 31
73 1
74 1
75 7
76 2
77 16
78 22
79 5
80 5
81 16
82 22
83 19
84 20
85 7
86 30
87 34
88 20
89 22
90 33
91 12
92 36
93 27
94 14
95 4
96 4
97 24
99 1
100 11
Will be interesting to see how you play it. Thanks!
If you're going to run simulations, then at least run a statistically significant sample size of at least 10k to 50k spins at a time. Also demonstrate the statistical relevance of the test via z score/standard deviation results.
Trying to prove that you have a winning roulette system by simulating only 70 to 100 spins at a time is like claiming the world is flat after having only taken three steps.
Take much bigger steps and you'll find that the world is actually round.
That's all I'll say in this thread.
-The General
Quote from: The General on Apr 21, 02:04 PM 2016
If you're going to run simulations, then at least run a statistically significant sample size of at least 10k to 50k spins at a time. Also demonstrate the statistical relevance of the test via z score/standard deviation results.
Trying to prove that you have a winning roulette system by simulating only 70 to 100 spins at a time is like claiming the world is flat after having only taken three steps.
Take much bigger steps and you'll find that the world is round after all.
That's all I'll say in this thread.
-The General
It's not simulations.
You must start with how the strategy works. For me that is not clear so for me it is good enough with 100 numbers.
It is the same with KTF you only need 37 numbers for the first spin cycle. In KTF or WTF I only play with 40 spins..
Interesting that you comes in this thread as well because I'm still waiting for your arithmetic in WTF..
So please can you send that if it is so simple?
Dont hold your breath tuddilue
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 21, 02:53 PM 2016
Dont hold your breath tuddilue
Thanks nottophammer!
TalkIng systems With someone who plays VB and only believes in bias is equivalent to rolling a boulder uphill with rats biting your ankles
POINTLESS
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 21, 03:17 PM 2016
TalkIng systems With someone who plays VB and only believes in bias is equivalent to rolling a boulder uphill with rats biting your ankles
POINTLESS
Yes I can just agree.
Then if we talk mathematics, I think it strange that if he talkes about how simple it is to prove why doesn't he do that in that case? I mean it was he who said it not me...
It goes like this Mr.
30
24
19
12
13
30
29
26
1
11
14
21
5
16
11 -25
10
23 11
35
14
25 -12
8
20
8
0
15
6
26
17 -12
26
31 -12
6 -25
2 11
20
21 11
35
33 11
34
5 12
2
31 12
30
13
23 11
8
27 11
22
9 -24
17 12
22
28 -24
0 12
1
3
22 -24
3 -24
6 12
17
21 11
33
33
25 12
3
23 12
1
14
22 11
2
23 12
34
31 12
1
1
7 11
2
16 12
22
5 12
5
16 11 - Profit target reached +60
22
19
20 11
7
30
34 11
20
22
33 -24
12 12
36
27 -24
14 12
4
4 -24
24 12
1
11 -25
Quote from: The General on Apr 21, 02:04 PM 2016
If you're going to run simulations, then at least run a statistically significant sample size of at least 10k to 50k spins at a time. Also demonstrate the statistical relevance of the test via z score/standard deviation results.
Trying to prove that you have a winning roulette system by simulating only 70 to 100 spins at a time is like claiming the world is flat after having only taken three steps.
Take much bigger steps and you'll find that the world is actually round.
That's all I'll say in this thread.
-The General
Thank your for your free advice. These days people will have to pay $39.95 to get such advice. Much appreciated.
Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 21, 04:09 PM 2016
It goes like this Mr.
Thanks, impressive!
I will study them tomorrow..
Atleast a VB method cannot be stolen and sold on e-bay.
Todays numbers from nottophammer. I hope he doesn't mind.
Either you make it two sessions or one big with 130 spins.
I think it is impressive that you can flatbet this!
I have started to call this KTF Dozen for myself.
It really is a dozen and a double dozen bet. But with touch of KTF and straight numbers. Really good!
Good luck with the numbers!
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 22, 05:34 AM 2016
jackpot247 22.4.16
1 7
2 25
3 34
4 33
5 24
6 22
7 30
8 34
9 28
10 30
11 16
12 28
13 0
14 36
15 10
16 17
17 1
18 3
19 2
20 14
21 28
22 21
23 21
24 36
25 18
26 33
27 35
28 9
29 10
30 17
31 22
32 19
33 32
34 19
35 17
36 29
37 4
38 36
39 16
40 0
41 28
42 26
43 13
44 0
45 22
46 24
47 13
48 31
49 24
50 26
51 11
52 31
53 2
54 8
55 13
56 22
57 10
58 21
59 20
60 33
jackpot247 21.4.16
1 26
2 3
3 4
4 33
5 19
6 5
7 4
8 29
9 15
10 6
11 15
12 14
13 33
14 34
15 3
16 10
17 28
18 9
19 17
20 6
21 0
22 28
23 23
24 14
25 35
26 23
27 29
28 9
29 16
30 4
31 22
32 1
33 11
34 19
35 19
36 32
37 19
38 17
39 12
40 28
41 3
42 29
43 36
44 33
45 24
46 0
47 21
48 36
49 17
50 24
51 7
52 5
53 20
54 31
55 36
56 15
57 16
58 26
59 0
60 10
61 14
62 10
63 31
64 12
65 13
66 9
67 25
68 2
69 0
70 7
Why do we make a simple game so complicated? Hmm.
Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 22, 07:08 AM 2016
Why do we make a simple game so complicated? Hmm.
Because it really is complicated not simple? Hmm
Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 21, 04:09 PM 2016
It goes like this Mr.
30
24
19
12
13
30
29
26
1
11
14
21
5
16
11 -25
10
23 11
35
14
25 -12
8
20
8
0
15
6
26
17 -12
26
31 -12
6 -25
2 11
20
21 11
35
33 11
34
5 12
2
31 12
30
13
23 11
8
27 11
22
9 -24
17 12
22
28 -24
0 12
1
3
22 -24
3 -24
6 12
17
21 11
33
33
25 12
3
23 12
1
14
22 11
2
23 12
34
31 12
1
1
7 11
2
16 12
22
5 12
5
16 11 - Profit target reached +60
22
19
20 11
7
30
34 11
20
22
33 -24
12 12
36
27 -24
14 12
4
4 -24
24 12
1
11 -25
I have run them through now and some questions :
1. First bet, why do you not start bet the 25 numbers at spin 14 instead of spin 15?
2. When you bet the sets can you walk that through and explain again? Because as I see it sometimes you wait for a trigger and sometimes you bet the different set directly? What should it be?
Thanks.
Quote from: 3Nine on Apr 22, 07:08 AM 2016
Why do we make a simple game so complicated? Hmm.
Thats why i use the 37 non-hits that are due when you start. No past spins to worry about,just the future.
Whilst the VB are watching i'm winning and gone.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 22, 10:35 AM 2016
Thats why i use the 37 non-hits that are due when you start. No past spins to worry about,just the future.
Whilst the VB are watching i'm winning and gone.
I prefer my bets to stay flat or up as I win. I'll have a glance at your sheet though and play around with RNG for the days I can't get to the live wheels.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 22, 10:35 AM 2016
Thats why i use the 37 non-hits that are due when you start. No past spins to worry about,just the future.
Whilst the VB are watching i'm winning and gone.
I think this thread is the same.
The difference towards KTF are:
1. You sometimes need more spins than 37
2. Flat bet. In KTF you use +1/-1
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 22, 12:18 PM 2016
I think this thread is the same.
The difference towards KTF are:
1. You sometimes need more spins than 37
2. Flat bet. In KTF you use +1/-1
3. RFH, in KTF you don't have a chance of recovery when that happens. With the flatbet and the set part you have a good chance to recover..
Don`t` EVER publish or share your favorite system . Hackers will get it from you.They are around us.
I published a stupid system and the hacker fell for it. The same with another pseudo system the hacker ate it up . LOL
Hacker You have been had Hehehe.
I have a confession to make
I AM THE mark silverthorne
Silverthorne Publications ©
Quote from: Tamino on Apr 22, 01:15 PM 2016
Don`t` EVER publish or share your favorite system . Hackers will get it from you.They are around us.
I published a stupid system and the hacker fell for it. The same with another pseudo system the hacker ate it up . LOL
Hacker You have been had Hehehe.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: you got him good lmao
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 22, 01:41 PM 2016
I have a confession to make
I AM THE mark silverthorne
Silverthorne Publications ©
Interesting that you forgot your own name. I thought it was Martin and not Mark. Lol >:D >:D
Quote from: Tamino on Apr 22, 01:15 PM 2016
Don`t` EVER publish or share your favorite system . Hackers will get it from you.They are around us.
I published a stupid system and the hacker fell for it. The same with another pseudo system the hacker ate it up . LOL
Hacker You have been had Hehehe.
@Tamino I don't understand your post. Do you mean that a hacker toke this from you?
Can you please explain?
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 22, 01:54 PM 2016
Interesting that you forgot your own name. I thought it was Martin and not Mark. Lol >:D >:D
Oops. Lol
In both threads tuddilue
jackpot247 23.4.16
1 14
2 27
3 3
4 18
5 26
6 22
7 14
8 11
9 5
10 17
11 4
12 4
13 9
14 14
15 20
16 3
17 13
18 10
19 12
20 15
21 23
22 24
23 6
24 36
25 12
26 13
27 36
28 13
29 14
30 28
31 0
32 20
33 14
34 35
35 7
36 15
37 3
38 6
39 31
40 20
41 32
42 8
43 10
44 27
45 2
46 0
47 23
48 13
49 34
50 14
51 7
52 22
53 7
54 9
55 7
56 35
57 10
58 3
59
60
Thanks nottophammer!
I can run them later I do not what has happened to KTFPissa..
I think this is strange with KTFPissa. Is their someone that know some information about what happened?
I will wait with running these numbers until KTFPissa comes back.
I will continue test this method because I think it is great. If for some reason this thread will not continue I will rewrite the rules as I understand them and start a new thread in the future..
Thanks Tuddi, always good to look from various angles!
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 22, 10:09 AM 2016
I have run them through now and some questions :
1. First bet, why do you not start bet the 25 numbers at spin 14 instead of spin 15?
2. When you bet the sets can you walk that through and explain again? Because as I see it sometimes you wait for a trigger and sometimes you bet the different set directly? What should it be?
Thanks.
Its a two stage bet, and i think you are not clear on the first stage itself. If I clear the air on first stage and then go to second, will that be better?
The first stage starts after 12 numbers. It will come in only after a new set hits after 12 numbers. As soon as the new set hits, I bet 25 numbers.
i will walk through notto's numbers for next 3 days only for the first stage. If you are clear, i will go to the second stage. Let me know when you are clear on 1st stage.
1 26
2 3
3 4
4 33
5 19
6 5
7 4
8 29
9 15
10 6
11 15
12 14
13 33
14 34
15 3
16 10 12th number. I keep looking for 13th number
17 28 here. Now I bet 25 numbers.
18 9 11 As it’s a win, I keep looking for numbers from first set
19 17
20 6 Here. Now I bet 12 numbers
21 0 -12 Loss. Now I keep looking for numbers from first set
22 28
23 23
24 14 Here. Now I bet 12 numbers
25 35 -12 Loss. Now I keep looking for numbers from first set
26 23
27 29 Here. Now I bet 12 numbers
28 9 -12 Loss. Now I keep looking for numbers from first set
29 16
30 4 Here. Now I bet 12 numbers
31 22 -12 Loss. Now I keep looking for numbers from first set
32 1
33 11
34 19 Here. Now I bet 12 numbers
35 19 24 win. Now I keep looking for numbers which is not in first set
36 32 Here. Now I bet 25 numbers
37 19 -25 loss. Now I keep looking for numbers which is not in first set
38 17 Here. Now I bet 25 numbers
39 12 11 win. 24 numbers and first stage finished
1 7
2 25
3 34
4 33
5 24
6 22
7 30
8 34
9 28
10 30
11 16
12 28
13 0
14 36
15 10
16 17
17 1 11
18 3
19 2
20 14
21 28
22 21 -12
23 21
24 36
25 18 -12
26 33
27 35 -12
28 9
29 10
30 17 -12
31 22
32 19 -12
33 32
34 19
35 17
36 29
Last spin set here. Once you are comfortable with it, tell me and I shall sstart explaining 2nd stage.
1 14
2 27
3 3
4 18
5 26
6 22
7 14
8 11
9 5
10 17
11 4
12 4
13 9
14 14
15 20
16 3 -25
17 13
18 10 11
19 12
20 15
21 23
22 24
23 6
24 36
25 12
26 13
27 36
28 13
29 14
30 28 -12
31 0
32 20
33 14
34 35 -12
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 22, 10:09 AM 2016
I have run them through now and some questions :
1. First bet, why do you not start bet the 25 numbers at spin 14 instead of spin 15?
2. When you bet the sets can you walk that through and explain again? Because as I see it sometimes you wait for a trigger and sometimes you bet the different set directly? What should it be?
Thanks.
Thanks I understand the first bet now. I have gone through your examples above and understands the bets. How you switch between 12 and 25 numbers. How long you bet them and so..
The sets I also starts to understand. You are betting when a set repeats itself. I mean when for example set 1 is coming again you start to bet the two opposite. Am I wright?
Of course just add an example because your set explanation is tricky.
Thanks for your time!
Watch you dont start to curve fit, they'll be after you.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 24, 04:46 AM 2016
Watch you dont start to curve fit, they'll be after you.
He he yes I watch my back. Why curve fit when you just can run the numbers.
The mob can't do you any harm so long you have your knowledge..
Used this method on Bwin rng and got +47 after spin 19. Impressive!!
Tiddilue
The mob? What are you talking about?
It may come as a shock...but in life...not everyone will agree.
Mobs act when someone gets in their way.
No one is getting in anyones way.....just disagreeing.
The mob..lol
Quote from: Turner on Apr 24, 05:57 AM 2016
Tiddilue
The mob? What are you talking about?
It may come as a shock...but in life...not everyone will agree.
Mobs act when someone gets in their way.
No one is getting in anyones way.....just disagreeing.
The mob..lol
He he yes maybe a little bit strong word I can agree :smile:
I think it is interesting when someone disagree. That can be productive. But when someone claims that you are curve fitting that is not productive..
Quote from: tuddilue on Aug 19, 09:01 AM 1974
But when someone claims that you are curve fitting that is not productive..
The problem gets complicated when someone curve fits without even realising they are doing it. That's when one set says they are curve fitting and other says no. Truth is Changing anything midway is going to invalidate the testing done before hand. Playing with loose rules encourages this behaviour.
Notto and tuddi this comment is not for you, so please don't jump as soon as you read. I know KTF is being played with strict rules and nothing has changed.
Quote from: Priyanka on Apr 24, 06:30 AM 2016
The problem gets complicated when someone curve fits without even realising they are doing it. That's when one set says they are curve fitting and other says no. Truth is Changing anything midway is going to invalidate the testing done before hand. Playing with loose rules encourages this behaviour.
Notto and tuddi this comment is not for you, so please don't jump as soon as you read. I know KTF is being played with strict rules and nothing has changed.
Yes a problem that is hard to handle specially when the rules are loose. I think it is only WTF that has loose rules know. But that is like gut it is really hard to set rules on that. More like a strategy than a system...
Ktf and this thread has started to get better rules. Maybe I will help KTFPissa to write easier rules for this one :smile:
Otherwise you should know that I always read your posts with great interest. I have started to study your random thoughts. Very interesting! Maybe soon I will post some tricky questions for you :wink:
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 24, 06:15 AM 2016
He he yes maybe a little bit strong word I can agree :smile:
I think it is interesting when someone disagree. That can be productive. But when someone claims that you are curve fitting that is not productive..
Lol...ok
I just think most people are asking to make sure you aint curve fitting rather than accusing
Quote from: Turner on Apr 24, 07:23 AM 2016
Lol...ok
I just think most people are asking to make sure you aint curve fitting rather than accusing
Yes I see what you mean. I will try to see it like that. Thanks!
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 24, 02:19 AM 2016
The sets I also starts to understand. You are betting when a set repeats itself. I mean when for example set 1 is coming again you start to bet the two opposite. Am I wright?
Of course just add an example because your set explanation is tricky.
Thanks for your time!
Here comes an example around the sets:
You have divided them in 3 sets 1,2,3
So for example when the sets hit:
1
2
3
3 -- after this you should bet the 2 opposite sets(1,2)
1 -- win
2
3
2
2 -- after this you should bet the 2 opposite sets (1,3)
2 - loose - continue to bet opposite
1 - win
Am I wright?
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 24, 08:34 AM 2016
Here comes an example around the sets:
You have divided them in 3 sets 1,2,3
So for example when the sets hit:
1
2
3
3 -- after this you should bet the 2 opposite sets(1,2)
1 -- win
2
3
2
2 -- after this you should bet the 2 opposite sets (1,3)
2 - loose - continue to bet opposite
1 - win
Am I wright?
The set after 24 is played differently based on different outcomes while playing the second set of 12 numbers. But as I said, I will go step by step.
I will start with the default way to play. This is the way of blindly playing the numbers after 24 numbers come through without taking anything that happened earlier in the play into account.
1
2 - wait for the set to be different from previous
3 - bet on opposite of first set. As I win, i wait for a separate set.
3
1 - bet on opposite of 3.
2 - win.
3
2 - bet on opposite of 3.
2 - win
2
1 -bet on opposite of 2
Example using this default play after 24 spins.
1 7
2 25
3 34
4 33
5 24
6 22
7 30
8 34
9 28
10 30
11 16
12 28
13 0
14 36
15 10
16 17
17 1
18 3
19 2
20 14
21 28
22 21
23 21
24 36
25 18
26 33
27 35
28 9
29 10
30 17
31 22
32 19
33 32
34 19
35 17
36 29 24th number. Wait for the next set to be different
37 4 Different. Play the sets that is opposite of 29.
38 36 11
39 16 Wait for next set to be different
40 0
41 28
42 26 Different. Play opposite of 28.
43 13 11
44 0 Play oppoiste of 13.
45 22 12
46 24
47 13 Play opposite of 24.
48 31 11
49 24 Play opposite of 31
50 26 -24
51 11
52 31
53 2 Play opposite of 31
54 8 -24
55 13
56 22 Play opposite of 13
57 10 12
58 21 Play oppoiste of 10
59 20 11
60 33
1 26
2 3
3 4
4 33
5 19
6 5
7 4
8 29
9 15
10 6
11 15
12 14
13 33
14 34
15 3
16 10
17 28
18 9
19 17
20 6
21 0
22 28
23 23
24 14
25 35
26 23
27 29
28 9
29 16
30 4
31 22
32 1
33 11
34 19
35 19
36 32
37 19
38 17
39 12 24th spin
40 28
41 3 Bet opposite of 28
42 29 11
43 36 Bet oppoiste of 29
44 33 -25
45 24 Bet oppoiste of 33
46 0 11
47 21
48 36
49 17 Bet opposite of 36
50 24 -24
51 7
52 5 Bet oppoiste of 7
53 20 -24
54 31
55 36
56 15 Bet opposite of 36
57 16 12
58 26
59 0 Bet opposite of 26
60 10 -25
61 14
62 10
63 31 Bet opposite of 10
64 12 11
65 13
66 9 Bet oppoiste of 13
67 25 -24
68 2
69 0 Bet opposite of 2
70 7 -24
Quote from: KTFPissa on Apr 24, 07:22 PM 2016
The set after 24 is played differently based on different outcomes while playing the second set of 12 numbers. But as I said, I will go step by step.
I will start with the default way to play. This is the way of blindly playing the numbers after 24 numbers come through without taking anything that happened earlier in the play into account.
1
2 - wait for the set to be different from previous
3 - bet on opposite of first set. As I win, i wait for a separate set.
3
1 - bet on opposite of 3.
2 - win.
3
2 - bet on opposite of 3.
2 - win
2
1 -bet on opposite of 2
Strange that I didn't see that bets before. But I'm with you so when the set changes bet the opposite of the set before. Interesting way of betting.
So this was the default betting how do you more? Thanks.
Quote from: tuddilue on Apr 25, 12:10 AM 2016
Strange that I didn't see that bets before. But I'm with you so when the set changes bet the opposite of the set before. Interesting way of betting.
So this was the default betting how do you more? Thanks.
How do you proceed with the sets?
-Tuddilue
I am looking for a better way to explain them. I will definitely post when am able to do them properly with defined rules. Not now.
Quote from: KTFPissa on May 03, 11:29 AM 2016
I am looking for a better way to explain them. I will definitely post when am able to do them properly with defined rules. Not now.
No problem. I'm just curious :wink: