I understand many members arent interested in facts and math, and develop roulette systems and play roulette as a hobby. And you dont like it when people explain why your system will lose. Yes it can be annoying. But heres the other side of the argument...
At vlsroulette.com a new member posted this:
QuoteI have played just about every system that has been discussed on this forum and all I can say is that eventually every single one will end up losing in the long run...there is no holy grail, there is no unbeatable system...there is only ever one winner and that is the casino praying on like minded people to try out all of these great progressions, systems, strategies whatever you want to call them...over the last 6 weeks I have lost over £5,000 yet I kept going back for more disappointment, all because I believed all of the nonsense that was written in forums like these. I wish that I never learnt about roulette, all it does is eat away at people....trust me stay away, it's just not worth it. Biggest con ever
So heres one person who believed some thread about systems being winners.
Firstly, its the players fault for not doing proper testing before betting real money. He shouldve known better. But unfortunately, reality is some people dont know better, and they are misled by incorrect information posted on forums. I cant help feeling partially responsible for him being misled by material on forums I run.
I know some of you dont like hearing "facts". Its inconvenient. Often its not fun. If you want to stick your head in the sand, its your choice and nobody will stop you. But soon Ill add a clear warning throughout the forum so readers dont so readily bet on bad advice, hobby advice or not.
It may seem like a terrible idea to create virtually a "fact free" area. its a section where people can choose to ignore critical information. The consequence is for some members to enjoy freedom of ignorance with their hobby, other people with families in need of money will be misled and harmed. Its just no comparison of priority.
Soon the area or whole forum will come with an annoying warning, especially for people who believe everything they read.
Is that reallity of gambling?
I read the same thing about AP and physics being dead with todays conditions, so whats left, play for fun.
Who cares about some one who wanted go pro and not keep the day job, silly.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 06:50 AM 2016
I have played just about every system that has been discussed on this forum and all I can say is that eventually every single one will end up losing in the long run...there is no holy grail, there is no unbeatable system...there is only ever one winner and that is the casino praying on like minded people to try out all of these great progressions, systems, strategies whatever you want to call them...over the last 6 weeks I have lost over £5,000 yet I kept going back for more disappointment, all because I believed all of the nonsense that was written in forums like these. I wish that I never learnt about roulette, all it does is eat away at people....trust me stay away, it's just not worth it. Biggest con ever
Because nobody wants to write holy grail on forum, it is better to keep for your self.
Hi Steve,
you are making the same mistake as the complainer.
You just believe, what is written without examing.
Do you know whether he played it bound to the rules or not?
Do you know whether he understood the strategie correctly?
Do you know whether he played only with money he didn´t need for other issues?
and so on ...
Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.
The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.
Image all posters stop posting in your forums, because you are right with your statement/post. Where do your customers come from?
Will you open a forum for diet-systems and invite herb/snowman/caleb.. to argue: There will be always a Jojo-effect. Diets don´t work!
Quote from: ego on May 15, 08:04 AM 2016I read the same thing about AP and physics being dead with todays conditions
You read wrong. I know from personal experience, not opinions from others. But if a player doesn't know what they're doing, they'll lose.
Quote from: ego on May 15, 08:04 AM 2016Who cares about some one who wanted go pro and not keep the day job, silly.
Just because some people arent too bright doesn't mean i wont clearly warn them, so maybe they don't make mistakes. You know stupid or not, these are real people we are talking about who may even be supporting families. And I'll do the responsible thing and steer them in the right direction.
Winkel, can you honestly say the majority of systems on forums work?
I know from personal experience and knowledge of basic math that most systems are rbrbrbbbrrrb nonsense that do not change the odds. They dont fhange anything. If anything, they just change the amount risked on an individual spin. I almost never see anything different or innovative that "could" work.
Quote from: winkel on May 15, 08:48 AM 2016Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.
Actually the blatant facts, with clear explanations, are usually ignored or not understood.
Quote from: winkel on May 15, 08:48 AM 2016The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.
Image all posters stop posting in your forums, because you are right with your statement/post. Where do your customers come from?
Will you open a forum for diet-systems and invite herb/snowman/caleb.. to argue: There will be always a Jojo-effect. Diets don´t work!
This doesnt make sense.
Mathematical explanations are given, with the logic that math is the proof. And the analogy you mentioned is the same thibg in laymans terms. If basic math and logic isnt proof enough, then nothing will help.
Purchasers of methods cone from many places. Whats relevant is they understand what doesnt work, and why. And why it is essential you need to attack the wheel and odds, not fairy voodoo rbrb patterns.
And no you are missing the point. Caleb understands basic math, what works, what doesnt, and why.
Quote from: winkel on May 15, 08:48 AM 2016Do you know whether he played it bound to the rules or not?
Do you know whether he understood the strategie correctly?
That is exactly the line used by system sellers/scammers who go one step worse and actually SELL and profit from people who don't know any better. As soon as someone loses or complains - "You didn't stick with the specific rules" and "You didn't understand how to use it".
Quote from: winkel on May 15, 08:48 AM 2016Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.
No they don't. Anyone who provides such proof is attacked because if you point out the flaws (usually obvious ones) then you get rocks hurled at you in all directions.
I would sum that original person up as someone who hopefully learned a lesson.
Everyone who follows the "hot savior of the moment" on forums and ignores the facts, then loses their money - will learn the lesson the hard way. Unfortunately that's the only way sometimes.
Quote from: winkel on May 15, 08:48 AM 2016The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.
Knowledge is power - regardless of how many times you have to tell someone.
And to make this clear, it would benefit me most if i just shut up and let everyone busily post more and more content to bring more traffic. But me correcting people with the truth tends to upset people and make them post elsewhere. So why do I persist in explaining basic facts? Because im more concerned about peoples perception of reality, than I am with money. I am not desperate for money, and I really do give a crap about people.
And Winkel, see :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ and even Bayes links, even Calebs. The facts and explanations are in your face. Again like i said, they are being ignored or not understood.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 09:15 AM 2016So why do I persist in explaining basic facts? Because im more concerned about peoples perception of reality, than I am with money. I am not desperate for money, and I really do give a crap about people.
Two thumbs up !
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 09:15 AM 2016
The facts and explanations are in your face. Again like i said, they are being ignored or not understood.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
-Celtic
I admit I don't understand why roulette can't be beaten - that's what keeps me coming back. I solved all of life's other problems. If there were no table limits then we could use martingale until we would win, but since they restrict us then we risk chasing our losses and losing everything we built up - in an instant. However, they do give us 2,000 units max to play around with and probably 100K total bet limit, so why can't we win within those limits... they seem too generous and makes me feel like an idiot not being able to beat the damn thing.
nice --keep this all in one post and I wont bring up system plays and screw this post up but I did hear that if you wiggle your ears and the third dozen comes up its wise to bet the first dozen...the real trick is in learning how to wiggle ones ears
Monsieur Rothschild , the banker had told the founder and owner of the Monte Carlo Casino " If you remove the maximum limit I shall own your casino".
Toughshitsitsky Monsieur Rothschild .
Nuff said.
QuoteJust because some people arent too bright doesn't mean i wont clearly warn them, so maybe they don't make mistakes. You know stupid or not, these are real people we are talking about who may even be supporting families. And I'll do the responsible thing and steer them in the right direction.
Steve i agree with you that common pepole can become naive and try to play full time or as proffesional and they might have familys with kids.
They might have house with mortage.
So Steve what is reallity, maybe its time to make a reality check.
I respect pepole who spent 6 Days each week in the casino, that is not silly, that is seriuos stuff.
They should know what it takes with mental pressure to make your Daily session a succés to put food on the table and put away some for the mortage or rent.
John Patrick wrote a topic about the subject and i which this guy had read it Before he start playing and test all systems.
Very good advice from JP.
One thing he mention is to keep your day job and try out six mounths playing the game and see if you can make it.
That way you have something to fall back at if things goes wrong.
And i agree with JP this is a very good advice.
But then again you missing the crusal part of this adventure, the mental pressure, you will not feel that part if you keep your day job and it would not be the real thing.
Anyone who chooses to become a professional gambler should have at least a stock portfolio of $ 600,000.-- , a residence without any mortgage payments and above all a cash gambling bankroll of $ 100,00.--.
Take it or leave it. That`s reality.
Quote from: ego on May 15, 11:40 AM 2016
Steve i agree with you that common pepole can become naive and try to play full time or as proffesional and they might have familys with kids.
They might have house with mortage.
So Steve what is reallity, maybe its time to make a reality check.
I respect pepole who spent 6 Days each week in the casino, that is not silly, that is seriuos stuff.
They should know what it takes with mental pressure to make your Daily session a succés to put food on the table and put away some for the mortage or rent.
John Patrick wrote a topic about the subject and i which this guy had read it Before he start playing and test all systems.
Very good advice from JP.
One thing he mention is to keep your day job and try out six mounths playing the game and see if you can make it.
That way you have something to fall back at if things goes wrong.
And i agree with JP this is a very good advice.
But then again you missing the crusal part of this adventure, the mental pressure, you will not feel that part if you keep your day job and it would not be the real thing.
What was he thinking, that he would reach luxury and glamour going proffesional? Who read system boards and invest 5000 Euro? There is something wrong with this Picture!
I mean when you have a day job you get Points in my contry for pension, your employer pays the pension Insurance, so when you quit working at age 65 you get full salary.
For example, assume i earn 2000 Euro each mounth and i am 45 and when i am 65 i will get around 1400 Euro each mount as long as i live my Life, until my Death.
What this means, well i am not only going to earn Money for food, rent apartment, hobbys, traveling. Gambling.
Lets say food is 500 Euro each mounth and rent 500 Euro each mounth and traveling to different casinos around the World 500 Euro each mounth and hobbys among other things 300 Euro.
500 + 500 +500 +300 = that is 1800 Euro each mounth or around 550 Euro each week.
Lets say 2000 Euro each mounth and 500 Euro each week and all this is not including savings for your pension which would be Another 2000 Euro each mounth for saving.
As you don't have Insurance Points by any employer.
That is a total of 4000 Euro each mounth or 1000 Euro each week, get real is not going to happen and why did not this guy do this caculations?
No one will win 4000 Euro on regular basis.
I agree with nathan -a pro has to have a good chunk put away
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 15, 10:29 AM 2016
nice --keep this all in one post and I wont bring up system plays and screw this post up but I did hear that if you wiggle your ears and the third dozen comes up its wise to bet the first dozen...the real trick is in learning how to wiggle ones ears
Hold on I think you are curve fitting here.
The last time those rules also included wearing a baseball cap backwards now no mention of it. :xd:
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 06:50 AM 2016
I understand many members arent interested in facts and math, and develop roulette systems and play roulette as a hobby. And you dont like it when people explain why your system will lose. Yes it can be annoying. But heres the other side of the argument...
At vlsroulette.com a new member posted this:
So heres one person who believed some thread about systems being winners.
Firstly, its the players fault for not doing proper testing before betting real money. He shouldve known better. But unfortunately, reality is some people dont know better, and they are misled by incorrect information posted on forums. I cant help feeling partially responsible for him being misled by material on forums I run.
I know some of you dont like hearing "facts". Its inconvenient. Often its not fun. If you want to stick your head in the sand, its your choice and nobody will stop you. But soon Ill add a clear warning throughout the forum so readers dont so readily bet on bad advice, hobby advice or not.
It may seem like a terrible idea to create virtually a "fact free" area. its a section where people can choose to ignore critical information. The consequence is for some members to enjoy freedom of ignorance with their hobby, other people with families in need of money will be misled and harmed. Its just no comparison of priority.
Soon the area or whole forum will come with an annoying warning, especially for people who believe everything they read.
noone to blame but himself
gamble only what you can afford to lose
seek help if you cannot
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 06:50 AM 2016
I understand many members arent interested in facts and math, and develop roulette systems and play roulette as a hobby. And you dont like it when people explain why your system will lose. Yes it can be annoying. But heres the other side of the argument...
At vlsroulette.com a new member posted this:
So heres one person who believed some thread about systems being winners.
Firstly, its the players fault for not doing proper testing before betting real money. He shouldve known better. But unfortunately, reality is some people dont know better, and they are misled by incorrect information posted on forums. I cant help feeling partially responsible for him being misled by material on forums I run.
I know some of you dont like hearing "facts". Its inconvenient. Often its not fun. If you want to stick your head in the sand, its your choice and nobody will stop you. But soon Ill add a clear warning throughout the forum so readers dont so readily bet on bad advice, hobby advice or not.
It may seem like a terrible idea to create virtually a "fact free" area. its a section where people can choose to ignore critical information. The consequence is for some members to enjoy freedom of ignorance with their hobby, other people with families in need of money will be misled and harmed. Its just no comparison of priority.
Soon the area or whole forum will come with an annoying warning, especially for people who believe everything they read.
Classic example of "attacking the straw man"
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 06:50 AM 2016
I know some of you dont like hearing "facts".
that is a bit belittling
Most of us "know the facts"
maybe it bothers you that some do not care and only play as a hobby?
Rg you have a strange view if you think peoples hobbies affects me
"I'm know I'm wrong, I just don't care"
Seems to be popular lately lol
Besides, what kind of hobby would a person have an interest in - but no interest in doing it properly.
Hopefully not skydiving, bungee jumping, scuba diving, ski jumping, base jumping, cliff jumping, hang gliding, wow - could go one and on...gambling ?
:wink:
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 15, 05:27 PM 2016
Besides, what kind of hobby would a person have an interest in - but no interest in doing it properly.
but who are you to say how to "play properly" ?
properly to your standards?
you play your way i play my way. same odds man.
I'm just saying - even as a fun hobby, surely you would want to be as good at it as you can be ?
If other people have the same hobby and point you in the right directions, why is that something hostile ? In those other hobbies it could save a life even.
(I'm just poking, play how you want lol)
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 15, 05:38 PM 2016
I'm just saying - even as a fun hobby, surely you would want to be as good at it as you can be ?
If other people have the same hobby and point you in the right directions, why is that something hostile ? In those other hobbies it could save a life even.
(I'm just poking, play how you want lol)
lol
For me theres no better time then going to atlantic city, throwin down a few hundred bucks, and playing roulette
I dont need to win it won't effect my lifestyle
If people get out of hand they need gambling help
Noone shoule lose their shirt
Play it for fun
HEAR YE....HEAR YE.....HEAR YE !!
Ive played chess most of my life, and after 20 years realized what was actually needed to be really good. Its mind blowing.
I could beat most at the club, but certain players will always beat me. Sad thing is I am that good a player, I can see exactly how they have beat me.
The upshot is that I really dont have the time (in life) to ever get to where I would like to be. Im 52, and should be this good at chess at 10 years old to have a chance.
I think this recent spate of "you dont know what you are doing", mainly from 3 people, is missing the point big time
I recon that the people TG, Caleb and Steve continuously keep trying to make "see sense" would fair much better in a casino against the Chinese resteraunt waiters and taxi drivers who throw chips at the table like a proud Dad throwing confetti at his daughters wedding.
Seriously, I have faith in them.
And this is where we all are. We arnt no Grand Masters, but we know the game well enough to do well in the casino and most of all, enjoy seeing that knowledge work for us.
Im not going to buy a computer and "improve my bet selection". IMHO its cheating.
Im not going to travel the world on my own, living out of travel lodges, examining bits of fluff and grease in wheel pockets. Its sad. Get a life!
Im going to keep trying to enjoy having a great buzz at the casino, and keep doing well by playing a knowledgeable and sensible approach.
Thats the fecking point you 3 keep on missing.....over and over and over and over and over and..........
Now....stop trying to convert the "Heathens" like some door knocking Jehovah’s Witness and let people enjoy this wonderful game at the level they feel comfortable at.
Sermon over
and relax......
Quote from: Turner on May 15, 06:41 PM 2016Now....stop trying to convert the "Heathens" like some door knocking Jehovah’s Witness and let people enjoy this wonderful game at the level they feel comfortable at.
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Is the reply I expected :question:
Quote from: Turner on May 15, 06:41 PM 2016
HEAR YE....HEAR YE.....HEAR YE !!
Ive played chess most of my life, and after 20 years realized what was actually needed to be really good. Its mind blowing.
I could beat most at the club, but certain players will always beat me. Sad thing is I am that good a player, I can see exactly how they have beat me.
The upshot is that I really dont have the time (in life) to ever get to where I would like to be. Im 52, and should be this good at chess at 10 years old to have a chance.
I think this recent spate of "you dont know what you are doing", mainly from 3 people, is missing the point big time
I recon that the people TG, Caleb and Steve continuously keep trying to make "see sense" would fair much better in a casino against the Chinese resteraunt waiters and taxi drivers who throw chips at the table like a proud Dad throwing confetti at his daughters wedding.
Seriously, I have faith in them.
And this is where we all are. We arnt no Grand Masters, but we know the game well enough to do well in the casino and most of all, enjoy seeing that knowledge work for us.
Im not going to buy a computer and "improve my bet selection". IMHO its cheating.
Im not going to travel the world on my own, living out of travel lodges, examining bits of fluff and grease in wheel pockets. Its sad. Get a life!
Im going to keep trying to enjoy having a great buzz at the casino, and keep doing well by playing a knowledgeable and sensible approach.
Thats the fecking point you 3 keep on missing.....over and over and over and over and over and..........
Now....stop trying to convert the "Heathens" like some door knocking Jehovah’s Witness and let people enjoy this wonderful game at the level they feel comfortable at.
Sermon over
and relax......
Awesome.
Quote from: Turner on May 15, 06:41 PM 2016
Im not going to travel the world on my own, living out of travel lodges, examining bits of fluff and grease in wheel pockets. Its sad. Get a life!
Best mod comment. Ever.
Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease
Turner, really we get all that. If you think we dont understand that, you are missing the point.
None of us give a crap what other people want to do with their money, or what their hobbies are. And we are not trying to convert anyone to anything.
There are different people here.
* The casual player: doesnt give a crap about facts and just wants to dabble. There's no real logic in the gameplay - just the same thing over and over. They think the "experienced players" are pushy and trying to convert people to the apparent AP religion.
* The inexperienced player who wants to learn facts and play well: These players are misled by the "casual player".
* The experienced player: points out what should be glaringly obvious faults with systems. Doesnt give a crap about the "casual player", but would like to help the "inexperienced player".
Here's a typical situation (a transcript):
Casual player: OMG OMG I won $50 in 5 spins with this system. You wait for RBRB then bet R. Everyone, you gotta try it because it so works.
Experienced player: 5 spins is too short term to draw any conclusion. And what is the reason that specific sequence of RB will result in R spinning next? If there is no change of the odds, then your bet on R is just as good as any other EC bet.
Casual player: oh shut up AP guy, guy away. Cant you see I'm just trying to have fun? Its just a hobby.
Inexperienced player: Thanks for sharing your system casual player, I'll try it at the casino tonight.
Experienced player: Inexperienced player, it's a bad idea. Consider what I said and do basic research and testing without real money.
Casual player: Oh shut up "experienced player", you always rain on our parade.
Experienced player: I'm not raining on your parade. I'm just trying to help someone you have misled with your hobby system.
Casual player: Moderators, get rid of this guy please! He's busting my balls and wont let me share my hobby system in peace.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 15, 07:18 PM 2016Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease
Making random bets and losing lots of money? Puh-lease.
RG and other system players. We dont give a crap that you lose. We dont care about your hobbies. Understand it. We do give a crap that you are misleading other people who actually want to learn. In the interests of actually telling the truth so people benefit, please, allow us to politely step in and say "excuse me, but actually your system is not the HG. It is typical gambler's fallacy, and the system wont work because....."
Again if you dont want to hear what is really simple fact, you have your own private section. Watch me. I wont be saying any facts there.
QuoteBest mod comment. Ever.
Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease
A fool and his money are soon parted.
And btw, the "casual players" very often claim something is a FACT, when it actually isn't. So the problem isn't just about you wanting to have your hobby.
How many times have players gone on and on about the law of a third or similar BS. Then someone experienced explains WHY you cant use it for an advantage. And the casual player continues to argue the point that's it's a valid principle that can be used to formulate a winning system.
It's not just the law of t a third we're talking about. The casual players often fight and argue for many different things they claim to be fact.
If casual players openly said in their signature "I'm a casual player and don't care about accurate information or the truth, so don't bet real money based on my systems or advice" then nobody would care as much about what you posted. But the problem is some of you hold onto what you think are facts. And the experienced player simply corrects you, and you take offence to it like its a personal attack, or attempt to hijack a thread.
Simply if you are going to say inaccurate things and post as if they are fact, expect that experienced people will explain your mistakes to others. If you have a problem with someone saying something that opposes with your beliefs, then you'll have problems beyond a simple forum.
And again if you dont like that, you can post in the private area
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I think turner hit the nail on the head
Its about what makes people comfortable. If a system player has fun and uses disposable money and they are comfortable so what
Most people do not have the time to exploit a bias
Most people don't have crazy money to buy a computer
Im with turner 100% on this
Most are recreational players who goto the casino for a good night out
Like I've said many times, nobody gives a crap about what you do in your spare time. Can you PLEASE understand this point.
It's simple. When members say rubbish like "the law of a third" is a valid principle that can beat roulette, it is normal to have more experienced players correcting the inaccurate claim.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 08:35 PM 2016
Like I've said many times, nobody gives a crap about what you do in your spare time. Can you PLEASE understand this point.
It's simple. When members say rubbish like "the law of a third" is a valid principle that can beat roulette, it is normal to have more experienced players correcting the inaccurate claim.
Why is the law of thr 3rd rubbish?
I am genuinely asking
Its that after 37 spins, about 1/3 of the spins will be repeats. ie you don't get every one of the 37 numbers.
the REASON it doesnt help because it wont tell you WHICH of the numbers will repeat. So the bet selection still has random accuracy. The odds havent changed, the payouts havent changed, so nothing has changed.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 09:15 PM 2016the REASON it doesnt help because it wont tell you WHICH of the numbers will repeat. So the bet selection still has random accuracy. The odds havent changed, the payouts havent changed, so nothing has changed.
Yikes - the system junkie synapses in my brain just started buzzing making me want to post things lol.
I already said it in another thread though...
Fire in the hole!!! Lol
Steve...i get your points but you are basically saying dont play roulette unless you have a computer....which is wierd on a systems forum. Its been a systems forum for 6 years.
Caleb.....hmmm....actually I cant be arsed
Turbo....i really dont get it. You are the original dealer of fallacy systems and got all the system junkies hooked on systems in the first place lol
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 02:50 AM 2016Steve...i get your points but you are basically saying dont play roulette unless you have a computer.
What.. NO. I'm only saying the ONLY way to beat roulette is to overcome the unfair payouts. Can you change the payouts? No. So you need to change the odds. How you do that is another story. Roulette computers is just one way. I say all the time, TRY SOMETHING ****NEW***
I don't think the problem is posting systems as much as it is statements like the following:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 02, 05:59 PM 2015
one bet once a day 1 3 9 with $50 chips win or lose leave, i guarantee youd be up at weeks end
Quote from: Steve on May 16, 03:03 AM 2016
What.. NO. I'm only saying the ONLY way to beat roulette is to overcome the unfair payouts. Can you change the payouts? No. So you need to change the odds. How you do that is another story. Roulette computers is just one way. I say all the time, TRY SOMETHING ****NEW***
Fair doos..but thar red statement on the landing page looks odd to say the least
Imagine a running forum saying " running is bad for you...get a bike"
Looks like a strop which is odd considering you couldnt care less
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:41 AM 2016
Imagine a running forum saying " running is bad for you...get a bike"
SMOKING KILLS covers nearly half the pack.
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:41 AM 2016
Imagine a running forum saying " running is bad for you...get a bike"
No its more like Im saying play roulette, but use your brain.
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:41 AM 2016
Looks like a strop which is odd considering you couldnt care less
No read what I said earlier. I dont care about casual players who willingly ignore facts and lose. Its their life. My concern is for "inexperienced players" who are misled by inaccurate rbrb hobby talk.
Thanks Steve for clearing that up
I accept you answers as good replies to my questions :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tacwell on May 16, 03:24 AM 2016
I don't think the problem is posting systems as much as it is statements like the following:
It is a little weird that 90 percent of your posts since you have been here have included me. A true obsession.
Its a little creepy
The fact you went back to November to find that quote is weird to
You ok man?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 06:20 AM 2016
It is a little weird that 90 percent of your posts since you have been here have included me. A true obsession.
Its a little creepy
The fact you went back to November to find that quote is weird to
You ok man?
Probably because you're the biggest shit stirrer.
What makes you think I "went back" to November? I simply searched for a quote that I remembered which was grossly unjust. I'm sure there are many after November too.
And yes, I'm fine.
Quote from: Tacwell on May 16, 06:54 AM 2016
Probably because you're the biggest shit stirrer.
What makes you think I "went back" to November? I simply searched for a quote that I remembered which was grossly unjust. I'm sure there are many after November too.
And yes, I'm fine.
You could ignore me ya know
Most of your posts since you have been here are related to me
Maybe post about roulette?
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QuoteProbably because you're the biggest shit stirrer.
RouletteGhost,
I think he's also referring to when you go into your manic posting mode. Sometimes you tend to really get nasty with your personal attacks and dive into a scorched earth posting mode.
Maybe you could limit your attack to just a jab or two and just attack the message instead of the messenger? ;)
Quote from: The General on May 16, 12:44 PM 2016
RouletteGhost,
I think he's also referring to when you go into your manic posting mode. Sometimes you tend to really get nasty with your personal attacks and dive into a scorched earth posting mode.
Maybe you could limit your attack to just a jab or two and just attack the message instead of the messenger? ;)
You also know a lot about going on manic posting episodes.
With the same thing
Over. And over. And over. And over
Maybe one day when you grow up you will realize you are wasting your time on the forums since you play in a different way.
Theres something psychological there when someone gets off on getting a rise out of people. Which you love to do.
You were on a lull for awhile
Guess you are bored lately?
I was dissapointed when the ignore member feature still makes your posts visible.
Im in the process of getting a forum together and it will be void of people like you.
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:41 AM 2016
Fair doos..but thar red statement on the landing page looks odd to say the least
Imagine a running forum saying " running is bad for you...get a bike"
Looks like a strop which is odd considering you couldnt care less
Throughout history of this forum you typically make the most sense.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 03:22 PM 2016
Throughout history of this forum you typically make the most sense.
Well I don't know about that....but I can morph any view because I always study both.....and try not to let ego make me choose one
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:43 PM 2016
Well I don't know about that....but I can morph any view because I always study both.....and try not to let ego make me choose one
Having said that, that philosophy doesnt work with Manchester City and Manchester United
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 12:47 PM 2016Im in the process of getting a forum together and it will be void of people like you.
lol - Can I post the video from Life of Brian again ? nah I won't.
I can imagine it will be a few false prophets and lots and lots of followers who kiss their asses and beg
for more clues to the Grail. I'm not sure that I would be allowed to post there being I believe in both worlds (the math and the system people) but can't wait to read it when it happens
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 16, 05:23 PM 2016
I can imagine it will be a few false prophets and lots and lots of followers who kiss their asses and beg
for more clues to the Grail.
how bout no
I'd never tolerate that
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 05:34 PM 2016
how bout no
I'd never tolerate that
lol
No way, I see something like that as the kids running through the school with no teachers allowed lol.
Would be the most non-productive thing I can imagine.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 16, 05:53 PM 2016
Would be the most non-productive thing I can imagine.
so in essence you think I am a moron?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 05:34 PM 2016I'd never tolerate that
And when you get rid of the member who's so obviously full of shit, other members will attack you and accuse you of having a hidden agenda. Then they'll continue to follow the "roulette god" to another forum. And a few months later, everyone will know they're full of shit too. Then the whole cycle will continue again. I know because it has happened many times.
Then what will you do when other members create their own version of the system, with a different name? Should you as admin say "hey guys, its the same system and we know it doesnt work". Or should you just shut up? I mostly just shut up and let people do their own thing.
You know rg, there's a new hg every week on forums. Mostly experienced players ignore them. It's only a relatively small amount of time any of us say "excuse me, but it wont work because..."
Quote from: Steve on May 16, 06:43 PM 2016It's only a relatively small amount of time any of us say "excuse me, but it wont work because..."
If i may ask Why do you ignore most of the time and tell only a small amount of time. Why not most of the time. Personal choice?
Quote from: Priyanka on May 16, 07:06 PM 2016If i may ask Why do you ignore most of the time and tell only a small amount of time. Why not most of the time. Personal choice?
1. Many people don't want to listen, or simply don't care.
2. I'm not interested in helping people who don't want help.
3. I have more important things to do.
4. I already have links that explain it posted throughout the forum.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 06:26 PM 2016
so in essence you think I am a moron?
Not at all !
I'm saying that having a forum where you reject people who annoy you (seems to be the kind of people that are pushing the truth) then what do you have ? A bunch of people following false prophets with no one to stop it from happening.
If anyone speaks out against something wrong - they are the enemy or just some annoying person that no one wants to hear from ?
Like I said, it's like a school with no teachers and students running around - which is fine, if that's what you want.
It doesn't make anyone a moron, it means there's no value in it because in the end without truth and facts - there is nothing.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 16, 07:21 PM 2016
Not at all !
I'm saying that having a forum where you reject people who annoy you (seems to be the kind of people that are pushing the truth) then what do you have ? A bunch of people following false prophets with no one to stop it from happening.
If anyone speaks out against something wrong - they are the enemy or just some annoying person that no one wants to hear from ?
Like I said, it's like a school with no teachers and students running around - which is fine, if that's what you want.
It doesn't make anyone a moron, it means there's no value in it because in the end without truth and facts - there is nothing.
ok well i will attempt to make this clear
i dont think any of you guys are wrong. you, steve, or the general.
I just think that not everyone wants to play that way.
people enjoy attempting to exploit patterns. for me its fun at least
i get both sides of it
that doesn't mean i "ignore the facts"
I just dont have time to observe 10,000 spins to find a biased wheel. for people who attempt to make a living out of this i feel sorry.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 07:29 PM 2016I just think that not everyone wants to play that way.
people enjoy attempting to exploit patterns. for me its fun at least
I would say (and I could be wrong) that 99% of the people on any roulette forum are there to find a way to win.
Be it a method or system or learn about computers or bias wheels, or signature - etc...
I suppose one could make a fun hobby style forum where roulette is chatted about and ideas thrown around without
it being taken seriously because it's all for fun and entertainment - but in the end, people are on these types of forums
to win. To 'beat the game' or 'make a fortune gambling' or "just win dammit for once' (lol).
Gambling is a pretty serious hobby to have, money is money - time is time... if you polled people you would find that
most everyone is looking for that way to win - not a place to hang out and chat about roulette because it's fun.
That's just my opinion, I could be completely wrong.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 16, 07:39 PM 2016
I would say (and I could be wrong) that 99% of the people on any roulette forum are there to find a way to win.
Be it a method or system or learn about computers or bias wheels, or signature - etc...
I suppose one could make a fun hobby style forum where roulette is chatted about and ideas thrown around without
it being taken seriously because it's all for fun and entertainment - but in the end, people are on these types of forums
to win. To 'beat the game' or 'make a fortune gambling' or "just win dammit for once' (lol).
Gambling is a pretty serious hobby to have, money is money - time is time... if you polled people you would find that
most everyone is looking for that way to win - not a place to hang out and chat about roulette because it's fun.
That's just my opinion, I could be completely wrong.
I agree with most of that
I wish I never started this game
its consuming
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 07:40 PM 2016
I agree with most of that
I wish I never started this game
its consuming
Lol - I'm like 33 years now into this game, it's always been interesting and I love playing at the casino.
But it can really drive you insane if you take it "too" seriously also - fair enough. But if I went all that time going
down the wrong road the whole time - I would seriously feel like I had wasted my time. I spent most of my time at GG getting angry at people who told me that I was wrong about things - I knew that I was right. In most cases I wasn't.
But it all got me to where I am today.
so if you bet numbers hitting above expectation thats the right way to play?
however are the odds not the same?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 07:46 PM 2016so if you bet numbers hitting above expectation thats the right way to play?
I added this to my site:
QuoteLet's say you bet on a coin toss. If you win, I pay you $1. If you lose, you pay me $1. But now imagine if I only paid you $0.50 for wins. The odds of you winning haven't changed, but the payout for you has changed. That's what the "house edge" is.
So in this case, how can you profit?
The odds of you winning will always be 50/50. So you have a 50% chance of LOSING $1, and a 50% chance of WINNING $0.50. You can't just double bet size after losses, because then all you do is increase the amount you risk. Sure you may get lucky and win, but what happens if you lose? You'll lose big. So there is no escaping the unfair payouts UNLESS you know which side of the coin is more likely to appear. Then you would be changing the odds of winning. And if you won much more often than 50% of the time, then the unfair payout wont matter as much.
Ok maybe most of you get it now. And we get that you just want to mess around and play for fun. I'm ok with that. But if you ever want to take it more seriously, then you need to look at increasing your chance of winning. Forget progressions and all that. Focus on predicting the spin outcomes.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 16, 07:46 PM 2016so if you bet numbers hitting above expectation thats the right way to play?
You have to be able to pick numbers that are going to show up and avoid playing the numbers that aren't going to show up.
Does this sound like nonsense - maybe. There's fallacy all around and the math people will say it's not possible. I say that it's entirely possible to pick numbers better than 1:38 or 1:37 but I don't want rocks thrown at me either lol :)
Quote from: Turner on May 16, 03:57 PM 2016
Having said that, that philosophy doesnt work with Manchester City and Manchester United
Totally agree, everything does seem to change when sport comes into the picture. Very hard to support both sides in a derby situtation.
QuoteThere's fallacy all around and the math people will say it's not possible. I say that it's entirely possible to pick numbers better than 1:38 or 1:37 but I don't want rocks thrown at me either lol :)
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Quote from: TurboGenius on May 16, 07:54 PM 2016
but I don't want rocks thrown at me either lol :)
well thats a problem
people not posting because of the potential flames
you aint the only one by the way
Say whatever you want to say, as long as its allowed by the rules.
I personally have no problem saying what I believe. It's not like I believe something for nothing. If I'm mistaken about something I say, then whoopie maybe I can learn from my mistake,