Mr. J´s A Complete Street, Dane´s XOXOX, RG´s Outlander and the recent talk about Quads led me to use the same principle with good results so far.
On the Complete Street, if for example 7 shows up and later 8 shows up, we bet 9 to complete the street.
On XOXOX, if for example 1 shows up, later followed by 13, we bet the straightup in the middle, 7, to hit. So 1 and 13 would be X, 4 and would be O and 7 would complete the XOXOX figure.
On Outlander if for example 14 hits, you bet the number to the right in the same column. 17. If 30 hits, you bet 33 and so on.
The first quad is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9, the second quad is 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18, and so on. We will now look at 1-4-7, 2-5-8, 12-15-18 etc as "perpendicular", or East-West streets.
The method is simple: if 10 and 11 show up we bet 12 to complete the 10-11-12 North-South street. If 16 shows up, we bet 13 to complete the 10-13-16 East-West street. After#12 has hit we bet 14 to complete the 12-14-16 "Northwest-Southeast" street. Only after #12 hits, please note. We do not bet for a street to complete with numbers that have not hit yet.
This is just a sketch. I´ll post test results later.
Sounds good! You are trying to complete streets at different directions of the carpet, but what is the significance of the quads in all this?
To keep the focus. If #7 shows up later followed by #10, although adjacent on the carpet, they belong to different streets. Prevents me from betting on two numbers. I wait for #1 to hit before betting on #4 to complete the 1-4-7 EW street, or wait for #13 or #16 to show up to complete the 10-13-16 street (if 13 hits, I bet 16; if 16 hits, I bet 13. Always bet one single number per street.
The image should be self-explanatory. #28 was a win. When in doubt just ask.
OK the 1 unit bets may confuse some. They´re meant just for tracking, if you don´t have pen and paper at hand.
Begin Game
10 showed up. It´s the first number, we need at least two, so nothing to bet.
33. Second number, but doesn´t trig any bets yet.
27. While closer to 33, it belongs to a different "quad". No bet yet.
27.
27.
4. Same case as previous. So far, no bets.
36. We have a trigger. We bet on 30 to complete the EW 30-33-36 street.
0. Lost. -1.
32. Lost. -2. Trigger. We bet on 31 to form NS street 31-32-33. We also bet on 28 to form the NE-SW street composed of 28-32-36.
36. Lost. -5.
35. Lost. -8. Trigger- Bet on 29 to form the EW 29-32-35 street. Bet on 34 to form NS 34-35-36 street.
28. Win on the NE-SW street! +25.
End Game.
Interesting, thanks!
Yeah, seems right up my street - I like to give this a try! 8)
Anymore example sessions? Thanks!
No. Don´t falkorize my thread. >:(
I'm not a terrorist - I come in peace! :love: :-*
whatever. you won´t fill the thread with your useless data. seriously, turn your ADD to somewhere else, please.
RGs outlander?
That me?
Well yeah, the "absolutely outlandish system you must try it" or something like that.Figured Outlander sounded beter.
Quote from: psimoes on May 19, 06:01 PM 2016
whatever. you won´t fill the thread with your useless data. seriously, turn your ADD to somewhere else, please.
No brother - I want IN! I can't accept what you are telling me. :'(
Right now on MPR, after a reset, total BR is 4500. Didn´t stop on first win. It´s betting on 16 numbers just to see how it goes. But it´d take a lot of time on a B%M casino. Better track last 12 numbers or so and bet on every possible street to complete. I think.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 19, 06:39 PM 2016
No brother - I want IN! I can't accept what you are telling me. :'(
Ya I meant OCD. sorry bout that
Quote from: psimoes on May 19, 06:33 PM 2016
Well yeah, the "absolutely outlandish system you must try it" or something like that.Figured Outlander sounded beter.
Ah ok
Cool
Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 19, 06:39 PM 2016
No brother - I want IN! I can't accept what you are telling me. :'(
Love how some people forgot
Falkor is a troll with a history of stirring up drama.......:sad2:
If he truly is a troll then he is the hardest working troll in the history of internet forums. Those threads took days to write.
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 19, 07:09 PM 2016
If he truly is a troll then he is the hardest working troll in the history of internet forums. Those threads took days to write.
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.......never said he wasn't hard working.........just a troll........nothing more. :thumbsup:
Also........keep in mind.........he got our attention........ :ooh:
Me thinks you just have to do a little coding and run the program. Then you fill the thread with the never ending lists of numbers together with a bit of copy/paste from other posters and it will give the impression of hard work when in fact it was the computer that did the most part. He´s the only troll that hijacks other´s threads while still remaining on topic :xd:
Seriously, had a few beers last night. Sorry Falkor, do that thing you do if you want. The bet selection sucks anyway. One word about moonlanding hoaxes and chemtrails though and you´re out!
10 numbers bet, win on first spin. Difficult to track and place all the bets in 30 seconds. Better use pen and paper and slowly map the possible streets spin by spin before placing the actual bet.
Mistakes: #28 should be a bet and #16 should be a no bet.
QuoteOne word about moonlanding hoaxes and chemtrails though and you´re out!
Prince is the one who mentioned that... not me!
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkSIcm_y7Y
LOL THAT´S IT YOU´RE OUT
Quote from: psimoes on May 20, 05:08 AM 2016
LOL THAT´S IT YOU´RE OUT
OK I'll watch from the sidelines... if your system wins then I'll be back otherwise you might not hear from me again...
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Tracking first 12 spins excluding zero. Win on second spin (3-5-7), on third (13-14-15), on sixth (10-13-16), on seventh (7-8-9) and eighth (28-29-30).
@Falkor alright.
Yes Falkor. People have ideas about chemtrails and hoaxes.
Peoples threads are not the place for that. It is not inviting. If he wanted to talk about it in his roulette thread he would.
Go start a blog in the forums blog section if you want
Quote from: psimoes on May 20, 05:37 AM 2016
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Tracking first 12 spins excluding zero. Win on second spin (3-5-7), on third (13-14-15), on sixth (10-13-16), on seventh (7-8-9) and eighth (28-29-30).
@Falkor alright.
I don't see the wins. Just the individual numbers. I thought you
needed 2 adjacent numbers.
First columb right?
Quote from: mogul397 on May 20, 09:52 AM 2016
First columb right?
I think he posted the wrong graphic.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 20, 08:10 AM 2016
Yes Falkor. People have ideas about chemtrails and hoaxes.
Peoples threads are not the place for that. It is not inviting. If he wanted to talk about it in his roulette thread he would.
Go start a blog in the forums blog section if you want
To be honest I brought it up in the first place, and I don´t know why. It was my random moment I guess. A thread about conspiracy theories would be interesting.
Quote from: mogul397 on May 20, 09:52 AM 2016
First columb right?
Right. Exclude the zeros, count 12 spins and start betting. #9 is a loss, #7 is a win.
Quote from: psimoes on May 20, 08:25 PM 2016
To be honest I brought it up in the first place, and I don´t know why. It was my random moment I guess. A thread about conspiracy theories would be interesting.
it would be interesting
most "conspiracy" theories have proven to be true
chemtrails, gmos etc. the govt. the refugees are an invasion. ok i digress i wont rant
Well I wouldn´t say most. There´s Monsanto and Halliburton; just not sure if that´s conspiracy or just cruel business... but chemtrails? Really? I watched Bowling For Columbine; fear sells books, tv shows, guns and medication.
What about the method?
Quote from: psimoes on May 20, 08:50 PM 2016What about the method?
Wheres north on the mat
does street 7,11,15 qualify
Whilst collecting 12 numbers,what happens if a street forms
Must have everything right dont want any curve fitting do we
North is the C column side. South is the A column side. West is the Low side. East is the High side.
16-17-18 is a vertical street, or N-S.
11-14-17 is a horizontal street, or E-W.
Good point about the diagonal streets, Notto. Quads East-West borders don´t get crossed for the sake of coherence. As example #9 belongs to quad 1. #12 belongs to quad 2. Although next to each other, if it wasn´t for the borders you´d have to bet two numbers (#6 and #15).
The diagonals as I´ve been playing them do respect this rule, but they don´t need to. I´d say you can choose either one, but for the sake of coherence when testing you will either always abide by the rule or never.
Thanks for your interest.
BTW there´s no point in curvefitting.
Please note, this is still a work in progress (it´s in the Notepad section).
The rule of not crossing borders is to prevent us from betting on two many numbers. The less numbers you bet, the bigger the profit. However, it might prevent early winnings from happening as well. So, I´ll play without those rules and see how it goes. Whenever two adjacent numbers hit, I´ll bet the next number or numbers regardless belonging to the same quad or not.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 21, 03:48 AM 2016Must have everything right dont want any curve fitting do we
It's just Notto being naughty!
Obviously he miss MrJ and Generals opinions...
Well it certainly runs quicker. Forgot to wait for 12 spins before betting but wth.
30 NB
10 NB
22 bet 26
28 L bet 26, 25, 29
34 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 32
31 W bet 26, 25, 29, 31
16 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19
19 W bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19
04 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
28 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
28 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
12 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7, 8, 11, 14
08 W
All the numbers we bet on: 56u
All the winnings: 108u
Profit: 52u
Quote from: nextyear on May 21, 06:11 AM 2016
It's just Notto being naughty!
Obviously he miss MrJ and Generals opinions...
Ya I have no problems with that. All´s good.
Cheers.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 21, 03:48 AM 2016Whilst collecting 12 numbers,what happens if a street forms
do you collect another 12
Sorry forgot to answer that. If a street forms while collecting the 12 numbers we just consider it as one less opportunity to win, and we still use those three numbers for tracking. Example if 1-4-7 hit in the 12 spins and 3, 6 or 9 come along, they can still qualify for betting on 2 or 5 or 8...
Thanks
As i use the sheet i see streets become available.
On todays sheet we see many of your streets have come, looks good.
I'll work on it much later as i'm going thru 71'000 live spins in blocks of 60 spins, but i'll keep an eye on this topic.
Good luck :thumbsup:
Quote from: psimoes on May 21, 06:28 AM 201630 NB
10 NB
22 bet 26
28 L bet 26, 25, 29
34 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 32
31 W bet 26, 25, 29, 31
16 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19
19 W bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19
04 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
28 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
28 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7
12 L bet 26, 25, 29, 31, 13, 19, 7, 8, 11, 14
08 W
All the numbers we bet on: 56u
All the winnings: 108u
Profit: 52u
I can see we're going to need a TCS map of the mat, the wipe off type
Can you take those to the casino? I´d rather have an A5 notebook made at a Staples store for very litttle money, with say 9 mats per page. Then I´d mark an X for the numbers that hit and an O for the numbers to bet.
Bear in mind, everyone: this method is solely based on the Gambler´s Fallacy. There´s no Math envolved to back it up. And if there was, it would go against that "Law of the Third": We´re waiting for two numbers to show up and bet for a third, previously unhit number. Ultimately leads to waiting for 24 numbers to bet on the remaining 12.
I made a mistake in last example´s description. Forgot to keep betting on 32. It added to the losses, making for a smaller net profit. Anyway in real life I would take the first winnings and leave.
Next - I´ll track 12 unique numbers and bet with no rules. Yay for Schengen.
Win on first spin.
14-8 bet on 11 to form 8-11-14
22-23 bet on 24 (which I couldn´t bet on time, damnit)
22-26 bet on 30
23-26 bet on 20 and 29
6-8 bet on 10
6-3 bet on 9
3-2 bet on 1
13-14 bet on 15
36-35-32 bet on 28 and 34 (another mess. Shouldn´t have bet on 32)
Win on 29.
11 numbers bet. 24u profit.
I´ll place the usual 1u bets for tracking next time.
Five numbers bet. Win on first spin.
Edit - Wel,l it was actually a four numbers bet; IDK why I decided to bet on 19 as it didn´t qualify. Of coure in real life when you spot an error after the wheel has spun you can´ just say to the croupier "sorry may I have my chip back". Well you can, just for laughs.
12 numbers bet. Win on first spin.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 21, 07:11 AM 2016I can see we're going to need a TCS map of the mat, the wipe off type
Quote from: psimoes on May 21, 01:25 PM 2016Can you take those to the casino?
When i go, i take, A4 clipboard, never had a problem. Even had the manager from Aspers standing by
Alright. Reason I asked is because the casinos there seem to apply too many restrictions. Here I could walk around all day watching wheels and writing down spins that they wouldn´t care less.
Now that we´re applying the No-rules rule, and because it makes you bet more numbers, I think it´s safe to ditch the 12 spin wait and start betting as soon as a trigger hits.
A significant number of tests to determine how many spins it takes on average for three adjacent numbers to show up on the mat would be helpful.
Simplified bet selection. When any of those groups of two numbers hit anywhere on the mat...
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... we bet they will become groups of three.
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So this will be the actual bet:
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Wiesbaden Spielbank Table 1 from last Saturday. 10/10 games won so far. Intend to finish it later. Stay tuned.
11th game RIP.
Did you drop diagonal streets lapping different quads. Spin 5 # 21 would make 13,17,21, does come in 2 times 1 at spin 21
Waiting 12 spins before betting. Bombed. Repeaters will destroy this method and that particular sequence is full of them.
Will try applying the original rules to see how far it goes.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 08:33 AM 2016
Did you drop diagonal streets lapping different quads. Spin 5 # 21 would make 13,17,21, does come in 2 times 1 at spin 21
There might be some mistakes, yes. Going to check it. Report later. Thanks.
You´re right, 21 comes first as a trigger but then after 13 and 17 hit, 21 becomes a target; then as we don´t stop betting on it the more it repeats the better. I´ve been doing it all wrong...
Well turning triggers into targets reached a dead-end. let´s say #2 and #3 are triggers and #1 is the target. #1 hits and we win and all that. We now have a complete street. How could we turn say #3 into a target? Because #2 and #1 hit? That would mean #2 would become a target too because the other two nrs. hit. Not a viable solution IMO as soon we´d be betting the entire board...
Now, I noticed by waiting for12 nrs. before betting we have a win on the first or second spin most of the time. Here´s the set of nrs. Flat betting it won 8 games and lost 5. Net profit 61 units.