Okay its been taking a backseat lately as I push the crossplay 5. But I must never forget this strategy has stood the test of time. So to ignore it or dismiss it entirely in favour of another strategy would be foolish. I finally hit a double loss within a session last friday bringing to an end a fabulous winning streak of 54 sessions in a row. I finished the session 5 points down. No big loss. The now famous 4th game has not been needed by me for over a month now. I will start updating my results from todays session.
MONDAY
DOZEN 1=10----TRIGGER FOR THE SESSION AND ALSO PART OF THE 12 GAME FRAME
DOZEN 2=6+1PT
DOZEN 2=7----NO BET
DOZEN 3=11----TRIGGER 2
DOZEN 3=5+2PTS
DOZEN 1=6----NO BET
DOZEN 2=8+2PTS--(HATRICK WINNER)---SESSION ENDED WITH 5PTS PROFIT
DOZEN 3=9
DOZEN 2=5
DOZEN 1=6
DOZEN 3=7
DOZEN 1=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 9 WINS--3 LOSSES--AND 5PTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 01/05/2010=156 POINTS PROFIT--WINNING STREAK 3
LONGEST STREAK EVER 56---APRIL 2005....
Here is an update for THE zone Tuesday through today. I am giving Columns priority for the next month as they have a solid performance with the 4th game. You hardly ever see a 3loss let alone a 4loss. So I am going to see how long it takes for one to show.
TUESDAY
COLUMN 1=17----TRIGGER FOR THE SESSION AND ALSO PART OF THE 12 GAME FRAME
COLUMN 2=6+1PT
COLUMN 1=10----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 3=8+2PTS
COLUMN 2=7--NO BET
COLUMN 2=9----TRIGGER 3
COLUMN 1=5+4PTS--(DOUBLE STAKES AS COLUMN 1 LOST PREVIOUS 2 GAMES)
COLUMN 3=6
COLUMN 2=8+2PTS--HATRICK WINNER SESSION ENDED WITH 9PTS PROFIT
COLUMN 2=5
COLUMN 1=7
COLUMN 3=5----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 9 WINS--3 LOSSES--AND 9 POINTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 01/05/2010=165 POINTS PROFIT
WEDNESDAY
COLUMN 3=9----TRIGGER FOR THE SESSION AND ALSO PART OF THE 12 GAME FRAME
COLUMN 2=10-7PTS
COLUMN 2=7+4PTS--(DOUBLE STAKES)
COLUMN 1=6----NO BET
COLUMN 1=7----NO BET
COLUMN 2=5----NO BET
COLUMN 3=19----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 1=8+2PTS
COLUMN 3=5+4PTS--(DOUBLE STAKES AS COLUMN 3 LOST LAST 2 GAMES) S/ENDED
COLUMN 2=11
COLUMN 1=5
COLUMN 1=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 8 WINS--4 LOSSES--AND 3PTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 01/05/2010=168 POINTS PROFIT
THURSDAY
COLUMN 1=10----TRIGGER FOR THE SESSION AND ALSO PART OF THE 12 GAME FRAME
COLUMN 3=5+2PTS
COLUMN 3=6----NO BET
COLUMN 2=8----NO BET
COLUMN 2=13----TRIGGER 2
COLUMN 1=7+2PTS----SESSION ENDED WITH 4 POINTS PROFIT
COLUMN 1=6
COLUMN 3=6
COLUMN 2=8
COLUMN 3=17
COLUMN 1=5
COLUMN 1=6----SESSION COMPLETE WITH 9 WINS--3 LOSSES-- AND 4 POINTS PROFIT
RUNNING BALANCE SINCE 01/05/2010=172 POINTS PROFIT----winning streak 6, longest winning streak ever 56--2005
The columns produce more wins on the 8th spin overall than the dozens. But their consistency is excellent staying inside 8 spins. Like I said to my surprise I have yet to see even a 3loss with them. Which is extraordinary. Its going to be interesting wating to see how many sessions I GO BEFORE A 3LOSS occurs... ;D
Its about time this thread was brought to the top lol ;D
Actually I don't really play roulette in the summer or anything that involves staying indoors.I'm a very sports orientated and will either be found on the golf course or tennis court or playing cricket at this time of year,and it seems Fender is the same as he hasn't posted for a while either. :)
But back on topic, the ZONE is in my opinion still the closest thing to the holy grail you will find in roulette.
Their is no reason why waiting for a dozen to miss 4 times then betting it will hit in the next 4 spins should work but it does time after times
I remember when Fender posted this system over at vls and all the idiots over their tried to rubbish it saying it was mathematically impossible and the system couldn't work,including that brain-dead forum owner,who tries to get people to purchase roulette computers which are illegal to start with ::)
Yet run this system through numbers from a live roulette wheel and you see it wins time after time after time.
Head over to that German Casino Wiesbaden that publishes all the numbers as they come in live from the roulette floor to see how this system performs,you can even have look at the numbers that came in as far back far back as 2002 :)
I'm with you here, the Zone keeps me winning! :P
Sounds like a cool System !
Anyone still playing this?
Wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
1123 progression
If it misses then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
3369 progression
If it misses again then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next 4 spins
final progression 10 10 20 30
total -98 points
Best system ever,sure you might have to wait a while before you bet but its the most consistent winner I have seen :)
RNG is not roulette.
and in real roulette in order to see 8 misses it is very rare...
and finaly it is not a consistent winning system
I agree with Jordan, sorry. Ken
The losses are too difficult to recover in my own experience. It's the same old story of building it up and watching it swiftly crash down on you, unfortunately.
The other thing is, because you are waiting quite a while to bet, and you invariably pick up a few wins, it gives the illusion that it's a long term winner. But this is only because it is drawn out over a longer period of time. Eventually the wheel will work against you
Quote from: buffalowizard on Aug 17, 05:19 PM 2010
The losses are too difficult to recover in my own experience. It's the same old story of building it up and watching it swiftly crash down on you, unfortunately.
The other thing is, because you are waiting quite a while to bet, and you invariably pick up a few wins, it gives the illusion that it's a long term winner. But this is only because it is drawn out over a longer period of time. Eventually the wheel will work against you
Ditto.
Thank GOD! an accurate POST!
With the right progressions and a lot of patience, it's a consistent winner. The only times I lost were when I wasn't following the rules properly.
Talking of the Zone, what's happened to Fender? He hasn't come to the forum for weeks...
People just want to walk up to any old wheel an play the zones ,, you got to know the signs of when to play an when not to..
sometimes a wheel is giving 8 misses very regular sometimes not, if it is wait for more triggers.. simple
Its not hard to work out when you should an shouldn't be playing ,, players win systems don't great saying .. good player with good system = winner
Quote from: moles40 on Aug 17, 03:57 PM 2010
Anyone still playing this?
Wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
1123 progression
If it misses then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
3369 progression
If it misses again then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next 4 spins
final progression 10 10 20 30
total -98 points
Best system ever,sure you might have to wait a while before you bet but its the most consistent winner I have seen :)
Are these the complete rules for this System ?
Anyone still playing it ?
It fails, sadly, it's obvious to me Fender actually realised it too, he was going to take us all to Vegas to wipe out the casinos, that's how convinced he was with it.
Ah I see ???
Was it the same outcome with his Crossplay 5 ?
Quote from: superman on Dec 15, 10:28 AM 2010
It fails, sadly, it's obvious to me Fender actually realised it too, he was going to take us all to Vegas to wipe out the casinos, that's how convinced he was with it.
I can confirm it's a big fat loser. I've tried a number of different progressions and they all lose long-term.
QuoteCrossplay 5
That was almost the opposite of the zone, he couldn't see it
Quote from: Side B on Dec 16, 09:08 AM 2010
I can confirm it's a big fat loser. I've tried a number of different progressions and they all lose long-term.
Didn't Fender mention he had won over a hundred thousand pounds/dollars playing this method.And the most you could lose was 91 points on a losing session.He said he would normally average 300-400 points profit before a losing session.
Worked quite well for me for a while but one big losing run would wipe you out.
BTW what happened to Fender.Didn't he mention he was going to Vegas next year to clean up at the tables and people could join him.
Yet he hasn't posted since June :(
Gotta feeling BigEZ's progression (from the Red and Black II thread) will work splendidly with the ZONE...
Because even with the 3 "unlikely" consecutive losing games the bank would only be -12
Will try it and report back pronto!
UPDATE:
Here yer go...
Game results for 100 spins + Spin History
W5 +2 +2
W6 +1 +3
L10 -4 -1
W5 +4 +3
L13 -4 -1
W7 +0 -1
W7 +0 -1
W7 +0 -1
W5 +2 +1
W5 +4 +5
W6 +1 +6
W6 +1 +7
W7 +0 +7
W5 +2 +9
W6 +1 +10
W7 +0 +10
Duisburg 31 03 2010 - 0203
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,35,Bet,1,3,-1,2,502,1 : 3rd Dozen
6,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
7,14,Bet,1,3,-1,2,503,1 : 2nd Dozen
8,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
9,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
10,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
11,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 1st Dozen
12,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
13,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
14,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 1st Dozen
15,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
16,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
17,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
18,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
19,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,503,2 : 2nd Dozen
20,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
21,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
22,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
23,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
24,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
25,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 2nd Dozen
26,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
27,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 2nd Dozen
28,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 2nd Dozen
29,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
30,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
31,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
32,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
33,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
34,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
35,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
36,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
37,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
38,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
39,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
40,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
41,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 2nd Dozen
42,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 2nd Dozen
43,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 2nd Dozen
44,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
45,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
46,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
47,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 3rd Dozen
48,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 3rd Dozen
49,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 3rd Dozen
50,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
51,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
52,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
53,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
54,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
55,36,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 2nd Dozen
56,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 2nd Dozen
57,23,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 2nd Dozen
58,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
59,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
60,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
61,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
62,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
63,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
64,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
65,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 3rd Dozen
66,27,Bet,2,6,-2,4,501,2 : 3rd Dozen
67,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
68,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
69,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,505,2 : 1st Dozen
70,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
71,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
72,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
73,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
74,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : 1st Dozen
75,1,Bet,1,3,-1,2,506,1 : 1st Dozen
76,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
77,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
78,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
79,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 3rd Dozen
80,29,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 3rd Dozen
81,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
82,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
83,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 2nd Dozen
84,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 2nd Dozen
85,15,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 2nd Dozen
86,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
87,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
88,26,Bet,1,3,-1,2,509,1 : 3rd Dozen
89,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 1st Dozen
90,11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 1st Dozen
91,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
92,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
93,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
94,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
95,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
96,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
97,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : 3rd Dozen
98,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 3rd Dozen
99,26,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 3rd Dozen
100,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
[/table]
+10 in 100 spins
Max Drawdown = 8
Highest Bet = 2
Potential ?
Although this wasn't a very dangerous session I think some adaptation of BigEZ's progression to align with dozen betting 2/1 could be beneficial.
A.
Even better - no need to adjust Big EZ's EC progression - can instead apply it in its pristine originality to:
ATLANTIS ALTERNATIVE ZONE (new variation)
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Here's a new slant on the ZONE derivatives/waiting for dozen trigger methods
Single 0 with le partage (half-stake returns)
Consider only the FIRST DOZEN and THIRD DOZEN only. The 2nd or middle dozen is ignored.
Wait for one of these 2 dozens to miss 4 times. (TRIGGER)
Now here is the difference - we don't bet the missing dozen; instead we make a bet on the EVEN CHANCE that contains the missing dozen; high numbers or low numbers!
If the missing doz is the first doz ( 1 - 12 ) then we bet LOW numbers.
If the missing doz is the last doz ( 25 - 36 ) then we bet the HIGH numbers.
This increases the chance of a hit because we cover an extra 6 numbers...
Simple.
We bet for a MAX OF 4 spins using BigEZ's special progression for EC selections reproduced below:
Quote
You always start with a 1 unit bet. You don't go to the next step in the progression (backwards or forwards) until you win a bet. And no bet is ever over 4 units.
Down 2 units then bet 2 units
Down 3 units then bet 2 units, if win bet 1
Down 4 units then bet 2 units, if win bet 2
Down 5 units then bet 3 units, if win bet 2
Down 6 units then bet 3 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 1
Down 7 units then bet 4 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 1
Down 8 units then bet 4 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 2 again
If we get a win return ANY TIME inside the 4 bet/spin phase we STOP betting.
If we LOSE all 4 bets in the 4 bet cycle we STOP betting.
After stopping it is time to track and monitor the dozens for a NEW qualifying trigger (1st or 3rd doz ONLY. Important: remember the doz must have missed "EXACTLY" 4 times for betting to restart)
Aim to win 3-5 units a session.
Here is session from Duisburg 26 December. table #0218
[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
9,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
10,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
11,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
13,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36) W
14,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
15,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
16,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Low (1-18)
17,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low (1-18) W
18,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
20,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
21,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
22,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
23,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
24,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
25,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
26,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
27,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
28,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
29,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
30,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
31,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
32,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
33,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
34,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
35,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
36,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
37,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
38,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
39,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
40,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
41,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Low (1-18)
42,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low (1-18) W stay@1u
43,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
44,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
45,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36)
46,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36) W stay@1u
47,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
48,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
49,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
50,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
51,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
52,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
53,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
54,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
55,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
56,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
57,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36) W
58,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
59,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Low (1-18) W
60,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
61,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
62,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
63,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
64,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
65,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36) W stay@1u
66,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
67,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
68,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
69,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
70,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
71,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : High (19-36) W
72,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
73,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Low (1-18) W
74,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
75,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
76,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
77,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
78,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
79,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
80,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
81,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
82,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
83,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
84,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
85,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
86,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
87,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
88,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Low (1-18) W
89,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
90,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
91,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
92,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : High (19-36)
93,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : High (19-36) W
94,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
95,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
96,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
97,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Low (1-18)
98,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Low (1-18) W
99,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
100,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
[/table]
+6 in 100 spins
max drawdown = 2
highest bet = 1
I am tired now - but think this v. good. Let me know what you think :)
A.
Big A,
That's a pretty high hit rate.
17 out of 28 bets.
Not only could you win with a flat bet, but you did.
If any thing close to that hit rate continues, I'll be testing with you.
You'll need my input, because I always seem to have the worst sequences when testing with you. Let's you know what can happen.
If you prefer me to go play at someone else's house, just say so.
George
Quote from: GLC on Dec 28, 10:58 PM 2010
If any thing close to that hit rate continues, I'll be testing with you.
You'll need my input, because I always seem to have the worst sequences when testing with you. Let's you know what can happen.
George
Hi George,
I'm happy you're interested. Instead of the DOZENS another way (better?) is to apply the 4 miss trigger strictly to the EC's only...
Enter the betting only after 4 misses on the respective EC - again for the max of 4 spins and again using Big EZ's prog. (or a revision thereof)
In other words watch for trigger on all six EC: R, B, O, E, H, L
You get more and varied qualifiers that way. Occasionally 2 EC will qualify - either wait until only one or pick one at random.
A big help would be a small, simple EC tracker that counts the number of spins each failed to hit - so you can watch for the 4 ; but another easy solution is to simply bring up the EC stats tables and monitor for "last appearance" triggers on RXtreme. (that's what I've been doing)
A.
Here I play it on the EC's with 4 miss trigger - but only bet up to max of TWICE.
I play same prog as Big EZ except:
After a win on the first or second bet OR a loss on both bets (ie. after each play concluded) I then consult the following to determine the next bet:
If -3 or less reduce to 1u
If -4 to -11 inclusive increase to 2u
If -12 to -23 inclusive increase to 3u
If -24 to -39 inclusive increase to 4u
If -40+ increase to 5 (leveller)
Casino Duisburg 28 Dec 2010 #0203
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net=,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low
8,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Even
9,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
10,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
11,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,500.5,1 : Black
12,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
13,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Low
14,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Low
15,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
16,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
17,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
18,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
19,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
20,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
21,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
22,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
23,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
24,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499.5,1 : Even
25,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
26,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Black
27,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Black
28,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
29,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499.5,2 : Low
30,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
31,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
32,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
34,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Odd
35,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Odd
36,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495.5,2 : Black
37,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497.5,2 : Black
38,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
39,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
40,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
41,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
42,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
43,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
44,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495.5,2 : High
45,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497.5,2 : High
46,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
47,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
48,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
49,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
50,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
51,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499.5,2 : High
52,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
53,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
54,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
55,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
56,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
57,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Red
58,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Low
59,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Low
60,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
61,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
62,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
63,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Black
64,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Black
65,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
66,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
67,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
68,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Red
69,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Red
70,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
71,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
72,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
73,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
74,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
75,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499.5,1 : High
76,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
77,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
78,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
79,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Low
80,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
81,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
82,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
83,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
84,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
85,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Odd
86,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Odd
87,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
88,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
89,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
90,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
91,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : Red
92,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : High
93,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : High
94,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
95,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
96,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
97,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
98,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
99,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
100,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
101,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
102,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
103,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Black
104,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
105,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
106,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
107,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
108,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
109,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Odd
110,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
111,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
112,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
113,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
114,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
115,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
116,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
117,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
118,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
119,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Low
120,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Black
121,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Black
122,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
123,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
124,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
125,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
126,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Even
127,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Even
128,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
129,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
130,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
131,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
132,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
133,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
134,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
135,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
136,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
137,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
138,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
139,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
140,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
141,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : High
142,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
143,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
144,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
145,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
146,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
147,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
148,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
149,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
150,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
151,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
152,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : High
153,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
154,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
155,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
156,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Low
157,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
158,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
159,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
160,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
161,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
162,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
163,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
164,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
165,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
166,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
167,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
168,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
169,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
170,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Low
171,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
172,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
173,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
174,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
175,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507.5,1 : Even
176,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Even
177,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
178,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
179,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
180,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
181,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
182,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Even
183,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
184,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
185,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
186,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
187,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
188,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
189,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
190,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510.5,1 : Odd
[/table]
+10.5 in 190 spins
highest bet=2
max drawdown=6.5
A.
Another example so you can see how pans out...
Same method of play. I will play no more than 200 spins.
Casino Duisburg 28 Dec 2010 #0204
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net=,Unit Bal.==,=Bet Layout
1,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Odd
9,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Odd
10,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
11,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
12,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
13,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
14,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
15,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
16,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
17,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
18,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
19,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
20,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : High
21,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
22,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
23,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
24,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
25,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
26,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
27,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
28,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : High
29,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
30,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Odd
31,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
32,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
33,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High
34,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
35,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
36,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
37,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
38,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High
39,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
40,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
41,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
42,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Odd
43,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Odd
44,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
45,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
46,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
47,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
48,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
49,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
50,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
51,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
52,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
53,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
54,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
55,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
56,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
57,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
58,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
59,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
60,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
61,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
62,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
63,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
64,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Even
65,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
66,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
67,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
68,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
69,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
70,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
71,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
72,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
73,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
74,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
75,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
76,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
77,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
78,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
79,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High
80,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High
81,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
82,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
83,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
84,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Low
85,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low
86,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,500.5,1 : Odd
87,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Odd
88,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
89,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Black
90,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
91,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
92,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : Even
93,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
94,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
95,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
96,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
97,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
98,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : High
99,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
100,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
101,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
102,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
103,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
104,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
105,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
106,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
107,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
108,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Odd
109,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
110,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
111,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
112,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
113,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Odd
114,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502.5,1 : Odd
115,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
116,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
117,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
118,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
119,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
120,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
121,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
122,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
123,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
124,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Red
125,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
126,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
127,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
128,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502.5,1 : Black
129,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Black
130,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
131,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
132,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
133,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
134,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
135,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
136,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,503,1 : Even
137,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Even
138,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High
139,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High
140,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
141,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
142,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
143,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
144,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low
145,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low
146,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
147,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
148,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
149,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
150,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
151,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : High
152,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
153,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Odd
154,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
155,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
156,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
157,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
158,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Low
159,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Low
160,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Red
161,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Red
162,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
163,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
164,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
165,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Black
166,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
167,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Even
168,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
169,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
170,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
171,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
172,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
173,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
174,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
175,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
176,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
177,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
178,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
179,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
180,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Odd
181,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
182,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Low
183,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Low
184,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Even
185,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
186,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
187,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
188,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
189,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
190,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
191,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : High
192,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : High
193,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
194,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
195,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
196,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
197,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
198,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
199,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
200,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Odd
[/table]
+9 in 200 spins
max drawdown= 3.5
highest bet = 1
A.
Are the Half unit values popping up because
of La Partage payback on (Zero result), on French table layout Atlantis? ::)
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 29, 11:22 AM 2010
Are the Half unit values popping up because
of La Partage payback on (Zero result), on French table layout Atlantis? ::)
Yes - playing single 0 with half-stake returns.
This seems pretty "safe" (although I use the term guardedly because more testing needed) Suppose you could have a cut-off stop point of around 40u as suggested by Big EZ. But I have come nowhere near that so far :)
It may prove ideal for small win sessions of +3 or so units without too much risk involved.
I like it so far. It's come about as a result of the ZONE principles, my variation and Big Ez's splendid progression idea. It won't be to everyone's taste, no doubt, and there is room for modification - but it appears "steady" and robust at the moment...
A.
A,
Looks like about a 30 win vs 20 loss session again.
Also, still flat betting.
I wonder if a flat bet will hold up with this bet selection.
Can't see anything that is that unusual about it, but if we can win 1 unit for every 25 spins. Hmmmmm :thumbsup:
I have played a system that I like quite a bit where I wait for an even chance to sleep 3 times and then I bet a 5 step marty that it will hit.
I have been very successful with it. But occasionally it does throw a couple of losses at you close together, which hurts.
I tried it with waiting for an e.c. to sleep 4 times and didn't notice any increase in winnings, just fewer betting opportunities.
The last two sessions you've published have been basically flat bet because of the high win rate.
Even if I won on average 9 units for every 200 spins with a 5 step grand marty, occasionally I have to bet 31 units. If we're playing for $25 units that means I would have to bet $775 units at times vs $50 with Big EZ's modified bet system. I wonder which is better?
??? ::) :-\ :lol:
George
Hi GLC,
Good points. Of course it is slow and you need more than a little patience, determination. Here are latest results:
#0205: +2.5 in 183 spins (end of spins) ; highest bet =3
#0207: +7 in 200 spins; highest bet =2
#0208: +7 in 241 spins; highest bet =2
and lo and behold... at last it finally cometh
#0209: -35 in 200 spins; highest bet=4
The losing session manifests :P :-[ >:( !!
OK... so I was only betting for 2 spins and I might have picked the wrong EC when there were 2 on offer etc.. etc.. No excuses. Now we can see what can and must occur over time.
So maybe not so good after all. Drat!
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 29, 02:19 PM 2010
Hi GLC,
Good points. Of course it is slow and you need more than a little patience, determination. Here are latest results:
#0205: +2.5 in 183 spins (end of spins) ; highest bet =3
#0207: +7 in 200 spins; highest bet =2
#0208: +7 in 241 spins; highest bet =2
and lo and behold... at last it finally cometh
#0209: -35 in 200 spins; highest bet=4
The losing session manifests :P :-[ >:( !!
OK... so I was only betting for 2 spins and I might have picked the wrong EC when there were 2 on offer etc.. etc.. No excuses. Now we can see what can and must occur over time.
So maybe not so good after all. Drat!
A.
How would that losing session have done had we flat bet it?
Quote from: GLC on Dec 29, 02:41 PM 2010
How would that losing session have done had we flat bet it?
I replayed it flat betting only for max 2 spins and it resulted in -16.
Interesting to see what *might* happen if following fender1000's rules of waiting for a virtual loss first EACH TIME before actually playing/betting a qualifying dozen (qualifying EC in this case...) for 4 spins (instead of 2) - using BigEZ's prog...
Food for thought.
Whatever happened to fender?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 29, 02:59 PM 2010
I replayed it flat betting only for max 2 spins and it resulted in -16.
Interesting to see what *might* happen if following fender1000's rules of waiting for a virtual loss first EACH TIME before actually playing/betting a qualifying dozen (qualifying EC in this case...) for 4 spins (instead of 2) - using BigEZ's prog...
Food for thought.
Whatever happened to fender?
A.
I think he got blasted so many times that he decided he didn't need all the grief. Just quit posting. He actually had more patience than I do. His downfall was being so adamant about his systems winning abilities. Also that comment about one of the lines hitting more than the others just made no sense and damaged his credibility.
I've read another dozens system where the author says that if you look over spin history you will see that the 1st dozen hits much less and the 2nd and 3rd dozen. He then presents a system that only bets the 2 and 3 dozens. It's like, duh. Who do you have to be to believe that? ???
Something I wanted to add on this one.
On an American wheel you can start after a dozen misses six times in a row.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 11, 11:27 AM 2011
Something I wanted to add on this one.
On an American wheel you can start after a dozen misses six times in a row.
Ahh the ZONE, Im still fond of my original bread and butter method. ;D
Anyone still playing this?
Wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
1123 progression
If it misses then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next four spins
3369 progression
If it misses again then wait for a dozen to miss 8 times in a row then bet it will hit in the next 4 spins
final progression 10 10 20 30
total -98 points
HI. Is this the real rules to the ZONE.. Can someone please post if the have it.
Have a nice day all.
Original Rules for JohnLegend's (aka Fender1000) *The Zone*
European Live Wheel
1) Wait for either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Dozen to miss eight times in a row. *All three dozens are now active*
2) Wait for either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Dozen to miss four times in a row, then bet with a 1,1,2,3 unit progression.
3) If all attempts miss, Wait again for either 1st,2nd, or 3rd Dozen to miss four times in a row, then bet with a 4,6,9,13 unit progression.
4) If all attempts miss again, go back to rule 1--(Wait for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Dozen to miss eight times in a row) *All three dozens are now active again.
5) Wait for either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Dozen to miss four times in a row, then bet again with a 21,30,45,65 unit progression.
JohnLegend says the hit rate among the dozens is high enough that it would rarely get to the latter stages of the progression.
Thanks.
No i got it clear.
Have a nice day and thanks again.
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 12, 01:11 PM 2011
Thanks.
No I got it clear.
Have a nice day and thanks again.
This method was good, but I wouldnt labour over it jon86. Something is about to hit this forum that will surpass all that came before. I would like you to get ready for TWO OF A KIND. It will be introduced on Friday. And I believe it is the HOLY GRAIL. And so will many others over the coming months. I am speechless right now after testing it. :o :o
Thanks.
Cant wait to see what you got :)
I will wach for it on friday:)
Have a beutifull evening.
On JohnLegend's Zone I like to play with six sets of dozens until one of them misses eight times in a row, then play that particular dozen only.
1st set)
1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2nd set) Edward Dozens European Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 1-6 & 19-24
B. 7-12 & 31-36
C. 13-18 & 25-30
3rd set) Edward Dozens American Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 7-12 & 25-30
B. 1-6 & 13-18
C. 19-24 & 31-36
4th set) *Roth Dozens European Wheel* (Streets)
A. 25,26,27: 1,2,3: 34,35,36: 28,29,30
B. 10,11,12: 7,8,9: 16,17,18: 22,23,24
C. 31,32,33: 13,14,15: 19,20,21: 4,5,6
5th set) *Roth Dozens American Wheel* (Streets)
A. 28,29,30: 7,8,9: 25,26,27: 10,11,12
B. 4,5,6: 16,17,18: 19,20,21: 31,32,33
C. 1,2,3: 13,14,15: 34,35,36: 22,23,24
6th set) *Stuart Splits*
A. 10/11: 20/21: 1/2: 32/35: 29/30: 19/22
B. 3/6: 23/26: 31/34: 24/27: 15/18: 4/7
C. 5/8: 9/12: 13/16: 14/17: 25/28: 33/36
hi proofreader
"On JohnLegend's Zone I like to play with six sets of dozens until one of them misses eight times in a row, then play that particular dozen only."
based on your above statement, you must have shorten your waiting period. am i right?
also, the strike rate is good as jognlegend's original one?
your comments are appreciated on both cases.
thanks
catalyst
Hi.
Can someone tell me what to do on the orginale ZONE when 0 come and when we win do we start all over.
Have a nice day.
Quote from: catalyst on Mar 15, 07:01 AM 2011
Hi proofreader
"On JohnLegend's Zone I like to play with six sets of dozens until one of them misses eight times in a row, then play that particular dozen only."
based on your above statement, you must have shorten your waiting period. am I right?
also, the strike rate is good as jognlegend's original one?
your comments are appreciated on both cases.
thanks
catalyst
Yes, much shorter waiting time. A round of *Zone* this way is average 10 minutes.
Yes, the strike rate is as good imo.
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 15, 08:39 AM 2011
Hi.
Can someone tell me what to do on the orginale ZONE when 0 come and when we win do we start all over.
Have a nice day.
When zero comes out you treat it like a missed attempt and go to the next leg of the progression. We start all over if you win (wait for a dozen to miss 8 times...)
Thanks.
I don't understand the other way to play the zone that you talk about play with six sets of dozen to shorter the time.
Can you try to explain to me. Maiby I am dumb now.
Thanks.
@Jon86: You can wait for an hour for either 1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen or 3rd Dozen to miss eight times in a row to qualify. -OR-
You can track the six sets of dozens at once. Usually one of them has missed 8 times in a row in 10 minutes time. (That would be the dozen you play on.)
I understand.
But i dont get understand what you mean with six sets.
Thanks.
These were the six sets I was referring to. You will have to be quick in tracking all six sets between live dealer spins.
1st set)
1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2nd set) Edward Dozens European Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 1-6 & 19-24
B. 7-12 & 31-36
C. 13-18 & 25-30
3rd set) Edward Dozens American Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 7-12 & 25-30
B. 1-6 & 13-18
C. 19-24 & 31-36
4th set) *Roth Dozens European Wheel* (Streets)
A. 25,26,27: 1,2,3: 34,35,36: 28,29,30
B. 10,11,12: 7,8,9: 16,17,18: 22,23,24
C. 31,32,33: 13,14,15: 19,20,21: 4,5,6
5th set) *Roth Dozens American Wheel* (Streets)
A. 28,29,30: 7,8,9: 25,26,27: 10,11,12
B. 4,5,6: 16,17,18: 19,20,21: 31,32,33
C. 1,2,3: 13,14,15: 34,35,36: 22,23,24
6th set) *Stuart Splits*
A. 10/11: 20/21: 1/2: 32/35: 29/30: 19/22
B. 3/6: 23/26: 31/34: 24/27: 15/18: 4/7
C. 5/8: 9/12: 13/16: 14/17: 25/28: 33/36
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 15, 09:09 AM 2011
I understand.
But I don't get understand what you mean with six sets.
Thanks.
Don't over complicate this method, the hit rate between 5--8 Is good for the dozens. Could the ZONE be improved with one masterstroke? YES, Move your betting field to 7--11. Stake the five spins 1,2,3,4,6 (TOTAL RISK 16 UNITS) And you will collect more winners in that field. You should play for 3 consecutive wins MAXIMUM. From my records chains of 8 or more wins in that field are possible before a dozen leaves THE ZONE REVISED. With disciplined betting this is an improvement on the original method. Take it from me I created the ZONE. The revised method has a lower betting frequency. But gone now is the need for MULTI LEVEL STAKING. As the streaks that will hurt you in the original method can no longer form. Every streak of four that went beyond the the original ZONE would contain at least 1 between 9--11
Trust me this vastly improves the method. And again the only requirement to enjoy this big improvement is a little more PATIENCE. 7--11 Is the ULTIMATE field for the ZONE. Test it I think you will agree. I'm flattered there is renewed interest in this Method. But test my revision, it makes this method far more playable and rewarding in the long haul...
Thanks.
I will test it.
Jon
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 15, 10:13 AM 2011
Don't over complicate this method...But gone now is the need for MULTI LEVEL STAKING.. I'm flattered there is renewed interest in this Method.
JohnLegend is right, the 1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen & 3rd Dozen strategy is all you need for this system. I play several sets of dozens at once because I am frequently pressed for time.
I would also like to suggest
flat-betting when it is time to bet. Flat-bet four attempts each time until in profit.
JohnLegend's The Zone in my opinion is a great method, particularly for a newbie.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 15, 12:54 PM 2011
JohnLegend is right, the 1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen & 3rd Dozen strategy is all you need for this system. I play several sets of dozens at once because I am frequently pressed for time.
I would also like to suggest flat-betting when it is time to bet. Flat-bet four attempts each time until in profit.
JohnLegend's The Zone in my opinion is a great method, particularly for a newbie.
Hi. So you guys mean to play the orginale rules where we start track 8 spin and then 4 and so on.
I am a little qonfused now.
Sorry my bad englaise. LOL
Jon
I still play the original rules, wait for a dozen to miss eight times to qualify the dozens, the wait for any dozen to miss four times in a row, then (my suggestion) bet that dozen four times flat-betting.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 15, 01:03 PM 2011
I still play the original rules, wait for a dozen to miss eight times to qualify the dozens, the wait for any dozen to miss four times in a row, then (my suggestion) bet that dozen four times flat-betting.
Yes thats the way i have play it to. I think its a good system. I have tested real money and all session til now won. Its a little slow. Longest session before a betting oppertunity was 1.5 hours but won on first so its ok.
Jon
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 15, 01:03 PM 2011
I still play the original rules, wait for a dozen to miss eight times to qualify the dozens, the wait for any dozen to miss four times in a row, then (my suggestion) bet that dozen four times flat-betting.
I didnt see you said to flat bet. Do you flat bet all the way until you win.
Jon
I flat-bet until I win, yes. (My suggestion). You need a lot less bankroll ($50 for $2/dozen betting-Live Wheel). After 12 attempts flat-betting I end the session (whether I'm in profit or not.)
I see.
I will play tonight.
Thanks.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 15, 12:54 PM 2011
JohnLegend is right, the 1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen & 3rd Dozen strategy is all you need for this system. I play several sets of dozens at once because I am frequently pressed for time.
I would also like to suggest flat-betting when it is time to bet. Flat-bet four attempts each time until in profit.
JohnLegend's The Zone in my opinion is a great method, particularly for a newbie.
Its not bad for a professional either Proof I made me over ÂÃ,£140,000 since 2000
If id played the revised version, well...
JohnLegend congratulations on The Zone I don't have those numbers in winnings or years playing.
JohnLegend.
Thats very nice and a loooot of money.
Jon
I have play today 11 session and only 2 of session go to second part of progression.
Thats a good day for me. Easy and good system to play a little wait but no problem with the profit.
Jon :) :) :)
Happy for you Jon86. Above all, systems should produce winners.
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 15, 05:47 PM 2011
JohnLegend.
that's very nice and a loooot of money.
Jon
What I would like you to consider a Jon and Proof and I know youve settled into the original play method is TIME.
The MAJOR REASON I have revised the ZONE is to do away with the need to wait for a trigger. STREAKS of 6 require alot less time than 9 or longer. I believe this was one of the factors that caused this method to not capture the imagination as I had hoped.
Also staking was unclear to many and seemed excessive. I appreciate these difficulties. I think if I present the REVISED VERSION. The true potential of this method might now be realized by more people...
Yes i agree.
But the original wait for 8 and 4 sould be no problem for anybody when they can earn money.
Earning money is not ment to be easy but with patient and control its manageble.
Sorry my bad english.
I belive in this system and that it can make good profit for all ho stick to it and play it with patient.
Can you please post the way is best to play. Orginale or revised. I havent see the revised. I play wait for 8 miss and the wait 4 miss and bet and so on.
Best Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 15, 07:23 PM 2011
Yes I agree.
But the original wait for 8 and 4 sould be no problem for anybody when they can earn money.
Earning money is not ment to be easy but with patient and control its manageble.
Sorry my bad English.
I belive in this system and that it can make good profit for all ho stick to it and play it with patient.
Can you please post the way is best to play. Orginale or revised. I haven't see the revised. I play wait for 8 miss and the wait 4 miss and bet and so on.
Best Jon
Okay Jon I will dedicate a fresh thread to the NEW revised version, under the title THE ZONE PERFECTED over the weekend. And explain why its an improvement over my original bread and butter method.
Hi.
I will watch for it :):):)
Jon
Hi.
Just want to say i am winning with the ZONE for 5 days of playing.
Jon
Been playing the revised edition of the zone.
Wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 with 12346 progression.
Very good :)
Quote from: moles40 on Mar 31, 03:23 AM 2011
Been playing the revised edition of the zone.
Wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 with 12346 progression.
Very good :)
Hi. Whats the full rules for the revised version?
Jon :)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 31, 03:28 AM 2011
Hi. what's the full rules for the revised version?
Jon :)
Those are the full rules I have just posted.Good luck :)
Quote from: moles40 on Mar 31, 03:32 AM 2011
Those are the full rules I have just posted.Good luck :)
Ok. I have play the orginale zone a little.
If this is the full rules wait for a dozen 6 times is not good. It must be more than that.
Maiby Johnlegen can explain?
A dozen can sleep for 30 spins :)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 31, 03:39 AM 2011
Ok. I have play the orginale zone a little.
If this is the full rules wait for a dozen 6 times is not good. It must be more than that.
Maiby Johnlegen can explain?
A dozen can sleep for 30 spins :)
Yes is true
Ive seen a dozen miss for 37 spins :o :o :o
Quote from: moles40 on Mar 31, 03:23 AM 2011
Been playing the revised edition of the zone.
Wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 with 12346 progression.
Very good :)
Yes it is Moles40 Ill post up the revised ZONE over the weekend. As Twister rightfully said weve got alot on our plates with M/V *5*. It really is looking like ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALK. Im now 45/0 on an RNG. still two FIVE POINTERS is all it can show me.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 12:36 PM 2011
Yes it is Moles40 Ill post up the revised ZONE over the weekend. As Twister rightfully said weve got a lot on our plates with M/V *5*. It really is looking like ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALK. I'm now 45/0 on an RNG. still two FIVE POINTERS is all it can show me.
I look forward to see the revised version of the ZONE :thumbsup:
-----------------o>Proofreaders' Modifications for JohnLegend's Zone Dozens<o----------------
European/American Wheel: Establish a set time each day to begin tracking numbers (i.e. 10:00am, never a minute late, otherwise start the next day)
European Wheel Specific:
Wait for a Dozen to miss eight times in a row to start trigger
Next, wait for any dozen to miss four times in a row, then bet with a modified Breadwinner Progression. If all four attempts miss, restart with eight times trigger.
American Wheel Specific:
Wait for a Dozen to miss 10 times in a row to start trigger
Next, wait for any dozen to miss six times in a row, then bet with a modified Breadwinner Progression. If all four attempts miss, restart with 10 times trigger.
00 rule:
American Wheel can miss eight times in a row (and European rules) if the bet has a 5% wager on the 00 only (when it is time to bet).
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*Breadwinner* progression: 1,2,3,4 (restart system) 2,3,4,6 (restart system) 3,4,6,9 (restart system) 4,6,9,13 (restart system) 6,9,13,21 (restart system) 9,13,21,30
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*Breadwinner note--if a leg misses all four attempts, goto the next higher leg. If a leg gets one or two hits, stay at same leg. If a leg gets three hits goto next lower leg.
Suggested bankroll: 200 units Stoploss: -10% of BR per session Goal: 1 win per sesson
---------------o>Addendum for Proofreaders Modification<o----------
JohnLegend says the optimal strike rate is 7-11 for European wheel (context), so we wait for a dozen to miss 11 spins in a row to start trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss seven times in a row before we start betting up to four times.
And add two spins to the American wheel we wait for a dozen to miss 13 in a row to start trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss 9 times in a row before we start betting up to four times.
00 rule still applies to American wheels.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 15, 08:13 PM 2011
---------------o>Addendum for Proofreaders Modification<o----------
JohnLegend says the optimal strike rate is 7-11 for European wheel (context), so we wait for a dozen to miss 11 spins in a row to start trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss seven times in a row before we start betting up to four times.
And add two spins to the American wheel we wait for a dozen to miss 13 in a row to start trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss 9 times in a row before we start betting up to four times.
00 rule still applies to American wheels.
Hi Proof :)
11 times dozen miss as a trigger ? I play the original Zone a little before and i think wait for 8-9 miss as a trigger is difficult sometimes. It can take very long time. I know patient us a important key to win :)
Cheers
Jon
I understand you Jon86 on this. It is hard to improve on something that works very well like this system.
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Ok, here goes another shot at this.
European wheel: Wait for a dozen to miss eight times in a row for a trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss seven times in a row before betting (up to four spins).
OR
Wait for a dozen to miss 11 times in a row, no trigger (start betting for up to four spins).
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American wheel; Wait for a dozen to miss 10 times in a row for a trigger, then wait for any dozen to miss nine times in a row before betting (up to four spins).
OR
Wait for a dozen to miss 13 times in a row, no trigger (start betting up to four spins).
00 Rule: Play European wheel rules on 00 wheel, but with 5% bet on 00 (up to four spins.)
To speed things up, I like to play with more than one set of dozens. Here are several to choose from.
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1st set)
1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2nd set) Edward Dozens European Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 1-6 & 19-24
B. 7-12 & 31-36
C. 13-18 & 25-30
3rd set) Edward Dozens American Wheel (Doublestreets)
A. 7-12 & 25-30
B. 1-6 & 13-18
C. 19-24 & 31-36
4th set) *Roth Dozens European Wheel* (Streets)
A. 25,26,27: 1,2,3: 34,35,36: 28,29,30
B. 10,11,12: 7,8,9: 16,17,18: 22,23,24
C. 31,32,33: 13,14,15: 19,20,21: 4,5,6
5th set) *Roth Dozens American Wheel* (Streets)
A. 28,29,30: 7,8,9: 25,26,27: 10,11,12
B. 4,5,6: 16,17,18: 19,20,21: 31,32,33
C. 1,2,3: 13,14,15: 34,35,36: 22,23,24
6th set) *Stuart Splits*
A. 10/11: 20/21: 1/2: 32/35: 29/30: 19/22
B. 3/6: 23/26: 31/34: 24/27: 15/18: 4/7
C. 5/8: 9/12: 13/16: 14/17: 25/28: 33/36
Just in case, here is a staking plan I recommend.
*Breadwinner* progression: 1,2,3,4 (restart system) 2,3,4,6 (restart system) 3,4,6,9 (restart system) 4,6,9,13 (restart system) 6,9,13,21 (restart system) 9,13,21,30
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*Breadwinner note--if a leg misses all four attempts, goto the next higher leg. If a leg gets one or two hits, stay at same leg. If a leg gets three hits goto next lower leg.
Thanks Proof :)
Do you play the Zone often ?
Wait for a dozen to miss 8 times and then 7 times and bet 4 times i belive is strong:)
Jon
@Jon86: Yes I play The Zone often. It is one of my favorite systems.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 16, 07:08 AM 2011
@Jon86: Yes I play The Zone often. It is one of my favorite systems.
Super :)
Explain to Exactly how you play(wich version)
I realy like the Zone and i dont understand why John dont play more.
Jon
I thought the new rules were wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 spins ,spins 7 -11 with a progression of 1,2,3,4,6.
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 16, 07:35 AM 2011
I thought the new rules were wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 spins ,spins 7 -11 with a progression of 1,2,3,4,6.
Yes Moles40 I will post up the revised method soon. Betting 7-11 and 8-12 at key time makes THE ZONE the best SINGLE DOZEN system ive yet seen. If you think its good 5-8 you really have to see it in those fields.
I made alot of profit from the original ZONE Jon. But as I said im not precious about my methods I will go with the BEST STRIKERATE. At the end of the day. And with the new interest in PATTERN 4. Dont forget MATRIX VERTICAL 5. To use Zigs classic phrasing it really is the DADDY OF EM ALL. I now have a strikerate of 270/1 playing DOZENS AND COLUMNS with it.
Yes we all know PATIENCE is required. BUT THOSE WHO HAVE IT, Lol! Anytime this game is labelled unbeatable. And ive been doing that a long time now...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 16, 11:00 AM 2011
Yes Moles40 I will post up the revised method soon. Betting 7-11 and 8-12 at key time makes THE ZONE the best SINGLE DOZEN system I've yet seen. If you think its good 5-8 you really have to see it in those fields.
I made a lot of profit from the original ZONE Jon. But as I said I'm not precious about my methods I will go with the BEST STRIKERATE. At the end of the day. And with the new interest in PATTERN 4. don't forget MATRIX VERTICAL 5. To use Zigs classic phrasing it really is the DADDY OF EM ALL. I now have a strikerate of 270/1 playing DOZENS AND COLUMNS with it.
Yes we all know PATIENCE is required. BUT THOSE WHO HAVE IT, LoL! Anytime this game is labelled unbeatable. And I've been doing that a long time now...
I play the MV5 4 Wide everyday and i will proberly until the day i die :D
I wait for the revised ZONE from you John as i am very interested in the Zone :)
Jon
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 16, 07:35 AM 2011
I thought the new rules were wait for a dozen to miss 6 times then bet it will hit in the next 5 spins ,spins 7 -11 with a progression of 1,2,3,4,6.
Hi Moles.
It cant be. Its a loser to wait not hit 6 and bet it :)
We wait for John to present the new version.
Cheers
Jon