QuoteThere's such a rampant infection of ignorance on the forums that it's almost impossible to carry on a real conversation.
Not exclusive to any particular forum. Its an accurate statement.
I have these questions for everyone:
1. Who wants to actually profit long term (like a business), and who plays more as a hobby?
2. If you intend to profit long term, are you prepared to accept your current beliefs are wrong, and learn from others?
3. Why do you think there are very few productive discussions on forums?
4. What rules, if any, or forum features, do you think would ensure productive discussions? Hit me with your great ideas.
A new forum is almost ready.
For this new forum, Im not interested in promoting my "products" and there will be absolutely no ads. Not even for casinos. My focus on it, as a member (not just admin) will be to encourage NEW approaches to beating casinos. Not vb, computers etc.
And I want the structure to be towards progress, not bullshit concepts like law of a third. If someone comes up with a system, there should be a clear process of testing for everyone to follow. It wont be test 100 spins. Then losing approaches will be conveniently archives for easy reference.
If you go to any of the gambling forums, its much the same people. The only difference is admin and what they allow. Again I intend to merge the forums if possible. Im hoping the new structure will eliminate the bullshit wars between members, and stop repating the same garbage mistakes that the casinos love. It hasnt been done yet. Currently all the forums are just places to chat, with no proper organization. For example, do you know exactly why the law of a third fails? And how you can test to know for yourself, and easily refer others to this convenient information? Soon we will.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 03:37 AM 2016
1. Who wants to actually profit long term (like a business), and who plays more as a hobby?
To make cash. I do other stuff for fun
2. If you intend to profit long term, are you prepared to accept your current beliefs are wrong, and learn from others?
I'm already at that place. So yes .
3. Why do you think there are very few productive discussions on forums?
To many a $$holes who ruin it. Kindergarten mentality
4. What rules, if any, or forum features, do you think would ensure productive discussions? Hit me with your great ideas.
Be in control of your own thread. Block certain members on that particular thread. (The General. ..although he's right it doesn't mean he need to act like that. Mr j...only talk sh*t and come to provoke. Things like that. Block scammers
Just look how peaceful it is last 2 days
Thanks boss, looking forward.... :thumbsup:
Steve.
The problem is learning and how we learn
Answer this.
Have you ever worked on a bs idea when you were starting out like wait until a doz sleeps 4 then bet it with progression?
Did you argue with the big boys who said it was bs?
An elitist forum would be no different. It would be like victorian philosophers disputing if there is a god.
Ive never been on an AP forum but I bet its just like here only the arguments are of finer detail
And losing arguments revert to posting pictures of uniicorns
When you try changing things that dont work for u or put more subtly, dont like mixing with idiots, you are trapped because the same will happen in your posh...elitist new club.
There are always people who are better than you, or worse, think they are that will spoil the show.
The fight here is systems dont work and AP does.
I cant see a place for any system on the new forum only AP and system bashing
And....the more clever people get the less they tell you because they worked hard to get here and arnt just giving it away.
Turbo...Caleb are perfect examples.
System basher "You are wrong...it wont work"
System player " tell us what will then"
System basher " improve your bet selection" and a picture of a unicorn
System player " be more specific...and for your information I dont live in a fantasy world"
System basher .....animated gif of tom hanks moving his mouth a bit
What a load of shit !!!
How the universe works is not a matter of opinion or pride. The problem as i see it is people often have personal problems and are at different stages of awareness. There isn't just one cause to all the conflict. Its pride, different motives, different level of knowledge, poor communication etc.
There at least needs to be forum segregation depending on a members motives with systems.
Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ.
I don't think it will be a big problem to solve the common problems with forums. Just needs some thought, logic and since trial and error. I'm betting other forums will follow, unless their idea of a successful forum is uncensored trash and trolls. Higher traffic, lower productivity.
Caleb is a troll but you dont think so.
Hes clever and seems to know his stuff but at the end of the day....a troll.
This is probably the longest hes survived in a forum.
Would you allow him in the new forum?
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 05:09 AM 2016
This is probably the longest hes survived in a forum.
Every minute that passes is a minute too long
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 04:43 AM 2016
System basher .....animated gif of tom hanks moving his mouth a bit
(link:://:.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Tom-Hanks-orly.gif)
Caleb can be annoying to some people, but as far as I see, this process repeats:
1. He shares information, which are actually facts, and may appear condescending. The facts are unwelcome.
2. He's attacked
3. He annoys people who attack him
Actually he gets attacked a lot more than he attacks.
Yes I would allow him, subject to same rules here, and anyone can moderate their own threads if they dont like him.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 07:02 AM 2016
Caleb can be annoying to some people, but as far as I see, this process repeats:
1. He shares information, which are actually facts, and may appear condescending. The facts are unwelcome.
2. He's attacked
3. He annoys people who attack him
Actually he gets attacked a lot more than he attacks.
Yes I would allow him, subject to same rules here, and anyone can moderate their own threads if they dont like him.
Hes an internet troll
Perhaps you havent seen all his posts.
As smart as you are im surprised you don't see through that.
And besides, I plan to have private sections where nobody is allowed to criticize anything or anyone - including ideas that are well known to fail. That's what some people seem to want. But there will also be sections where rational information with evidence and supporting information is the focus.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 19, 07:05 AM 2016Hes an internet troll. Perhaps you havent seen all his posts. As smart as you are im surprised you don't see through that.
I've explained what I see. Yes I know he can be an asshole sometimes, but usually after being provoked. On some days, he'll start outright being abrupt when giving advice. After seeing the same losing principles and ignorance, honestly I can understand why anyone with experience may be abrupt. It gets better results than "pardon me, but you might want to do a wee bit more testing".
I understand your point, and you can accuse him or me of having a narrow view. But before you say that, you need to see the other side too. Understand I'm finding the balance of both sides. Thats why I created the no-ap area. And the upcoming forum will have better solutions.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 07:10 AM 2016
And besides, I plan to have private sections where nobody is allowed to criticize anything or anyone - including ideas that are well known to fail. That's what some people seem to want. But there will also be sections where rational information with evidence and supporting information is the focus.
I've explained what I see. Yes I know he can be an asshole sometimes, but usually after being provoked. On some days, he'll start outright being abrupt when giving advice. After seeing the same losing principles and ignorance, honestly I can understand why anyone with experience may be abrupt. It gets better results than "pardon me, but you might want to do a wee bit more testing".
I understand your point, and you can accuse him or me of having a narrow view. But before you say that, you need to see the other side too. Understand I'm finding the balance of both sides. Thats why I created the no-ap area. And the upcoming forum will have better solutions.
I get the other side
But thers a reason he doesn't last on forums
He is a troll. Plain and simple. Regardless of the ideas he "preaches" he is still a troll of the internets.
Whether he is right which i dont think he always is, still a troll
Turner preaches truths at times. But he makes sure he makes himself part of the forum and not an asshol3 like the other guy
If I saw him being a "troll", I would say something. But honestly RG you attack him much more than he attacks you. If you dont like him, you can ignore him. And if he becomes a pest on any threads, ask him to stop and if he doesnt, just report the behavior and we can see if its trolling, or just contributions you dont agree with. He is allowed to contribute too.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 08:01 AM 2016
If I saw him being a "troll", I would say something. But honestly RG you attack him much more than he attacks you. If you dont like him, you can ignore him. And if he becomes a pest on any threads, ask him to stop and if he doesnt, just report the behavior and we can see if its trolling, or just contributions you dont agree with. He is allowed to contribute too.
Of course. Noone wants to ban speach
But he doesnt contribute
He trolls
Maybe take an hour and read his posts lol
A like button would be cool.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 19, 08:04 AM 2016
Of course. Noone wants to ban speach
But he doesnt contribute
He trolls
Maybe take an hour and read his posts lol
Ghost,
Unlike you I've contributed a way by which the player can actually get the edge and win in the long run. :thumbsup:
Without posters like me pointing out the flaws, many naive players such as yourself, would be risking money they can't afford while foolishly chasing the Martingale and other risky schemes like your "Grass Roots" nonsense.
Quote from: The General on Jul 19, 03:13 PM 2016
Ghost,
Unlike you I've contributed a way by which the player can actually get the edge and win in the long run. :thumbsup:
Without posters like me pointing out the flaws, many naive players such as yourself, would be risking money they can't afford while foolishly chasing the Martingale and other risky schemes like your "Grass Roots" nonsense.
Believe me
Smart system players are not playing with money they cannot afford to because they understand theres no guarantees in roulette. Winning sessions and LOSING session are expected.
Do not come off as some guy who wants to help. You are an internet troll. And you troll all the roulette forums.
Grassroots has won me money.
RG, taking what he said just then, there is nothing "troll-like" about it. I do read his messages especially when there is conflict of some kind.
QuoteSmart system players are not playing with money they cannot afford to because they understand theres no guarantees in roulette. Winning sessions and LOSING session are expected.
You're saying he's right, but it shouldn't matter because some people dont care about losing. The guy is allowed to be right. The majority of people here are trying to consistently WIN, so his advice is relevant and important. He can be a smart arse from time to time, but that's not trolling. What is over the line is posting images of really dumb looking guys with big ears and insulting people, but its not an everyday occurrence and I did mention at the time it wasnt appropriate. Again I understand your problem with him, but you really do attack him more than he attacks anyone. Why cant you just ignore him? Most of what he does is correct incorrect statements, which is important for the benefit of especially new players. Not liking him is no reason to not like what he says about roulette.
Good that you won money with grassroots. I've won betting on red before. It doesnt mean the system is good. Especially every progression system can do well for a while. The problem is you give it all back and the some when you get the unavoidable streak of numbers, and you have no control or way of avoiding it.
He needs to resist being a smart arse (not productive), and rg you need to understand he doesnt start off being like that. Its only when people attack him. The whole thing goes in circles. Its wasting both of yours and my time.
Quote from: The General on Jul 19, 03:34 PM 2016
::) ::) ::)
The back and forth ends right here by my demand. Have a nice day.
Ghost,
Why can't we just get along?
Quote from: The General on Jul 19, 03:51 PM 2016
Ghost,
Why can't we just get along?
Mainly because I see right through you and know you are just a keyboard warrior troll.
@General
Can you provide the link to the thread where we can gain an edge ? I've must of missed it.
Or Turner maybe? I think you know which one it is ?
Thx :thumbsup:
Ill long for the day we all just ignore him completely
Sad that steve does not see he is a troll
READ all his posts
Grab popcorn
Its lots of pictures and gifs, more then me
Calling people stupid etc
BUT hey one day we will all ignore him
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 03:43 PM 2016
RG, taking what he said just then, there is nothing "troll-like" about it. I do read his messages especially when there is conflict of some kind.
No one is taking up AP...sitting for hours looking for fluff in frets, looking for biases that are rare.
No one is going to do it.
You clearly dont believe in God. Me neither.
What would you say to someone who kept going into churches, disrupting the sermons and upsetting them by constantly insisting there is no God.
He is correct. There isnt. And they are disillusioned and he is not
But what would you say to him?
Nothing anyone posts is going to work. Its not AP...and peole stop posting because he will be on it, then the post is ruined.
what he does, and has always done is dull and boring and repetitive. No one is taking up AP soon.
what it actually is....is this
Its a way of showing he is better than people (to himself) and bigging his own ego
Its nothing about showing people the way, or saving them losing money. He has no empathy. Thats clear.
Its about power and control i.e Trolling.
You are a perceptive person so I really dont know why you cant see that.
Or....perhaps I have you wrong and you would tell the guy at the church he is a good guy, and say nothing.
At the end of the day, Steve, what you seem to advocate here is that everyone stops playing systems and moves to bias wheel hunting, or computers.
They arnt going to are they?
So what are all these people been doing here for 6 years?. Probably 10000 members over the years, + 1 computer guy + 1 AP guy
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 04:13 PM 2016
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At the end of the day, Steve, what you seem to advocate here is that everyone stops playing systems and moves to bias wheel hunting, or computers.
They arnt going to are they?
Thats the rub
Exactly
Quote from: denzie on Jul 19, 03:59 PM 2016
@General
Can you provide the link to the thread where we can gain an edge ? I've must of missed it.
Or Turner maybe? I think you know which one it is ?
Thx :thumbsup:
Anyone?
Quote from: denzie on Jul 19, 03:59 PM 2016
@General
Can you provide the link to the thread where we can gain an edge ? I've must of missed it.
Or Turner maybe? I think you know which one it is ?
Thx :thumbsup:
if, if, if, if, if ...... basically
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16981.msg155783#msg155783
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 04:13 PM 2016
No one is taking up AP...sitting for hours looking for fluff in frets, looking for biases that are rare.
No one is going to do it.
You clearly dont believe in God. Me neither.
What would you say to someone who kept going into churches, disrupting the sermons and upsetting them by constantly insisting there is no God.
He is correct. There isnt. And they are disillusioned and he is not
But what would you say to him?
Nothing anyone posts is going to work. Its not AP...and peole stop posting because he will be on it, then the post is ruined.
what he does, and has always done is dull and boring and repetitive. No one is taking up AP soon.
what it actually is....is this
Its a way of showing he is better than people (to himself) and bigging his own ego
Its nothing about showing people the way, or saving them losing money. He has no empathy. Thats clear.
Its about power and control i.e Trolling.
You are a perceptive person so I really dont know why you cant see that.
Or....perhaps I have you wrong and you would tell the guy at the church he is a good guy, and say nothing.
At the end of the day, Steve, what you seem to advocate here is that everyone stops playing systems and moves to bias wheel hunting, or computers.
They arnt going to are they?
So what are all these people been doing here for 6 years?. Probably 10000 members over the years, + 1 computer guy + 1 AP guy
Nice post, Turner! I'll be taking up AP next week, but I just have 2 more tests left to do over at the Random Thoughts topics first:
*Look at biases after increasing the span of a cycles game to 2+ repeats (working on this right now).
*Test a Law of the Third 2D matrix of quad vs. cycle length to see if those biases are the same across all data sets. Usually I get different results, but since it's inside a pigeon hole framework I am hoping for constant ratios. I doubt I will get them though - but worth a try.
I am going to leave the parachute progression test till after AP I've decided.
If he or anyone posts something against rules, report it. Show me exact posts you consider trolling and i can deal with one at a time.
Almost every player loses. Almost every player doesn't use AP. It's unpopular because it's not as convenient as RRBB. Do you hear of system players wining millions? Hard work ap, isn't it? Try making millions 9-5 at a desk. What's harder work?
I'm not a "fan" of AP. Its just that it actually works. The fact that i sell related products may seem like i have a conflict of interest. But the fact is i don't give a crap if people don't like the idea of AP. Really I'm not desperate to sell anything.
I say all the time fine if you don't like AP. Use another method. But the only way you can win consistently is if you change the odds of winning. Do it one way or another. I don't give a crap if you don't like computers etc. Find a NEW way to beat roulette and ill pay you for it.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 19, 05:31 PM 2016Nice post, Turner! I'll be taking up AP next week, but I just have 2 more tests left to do over at the Random Thoughts topics first:
*Look at biases after increasing the span of a cycles game to 2+ repeats (working on this right now).
*Test a Law of the Third 2D matrix of quad vs. cycle length to see if those biases are the same across all data sets. Usually I get different results, but since it's inside a pigeon hole framework I am hoping for constant ratios. I doubt I will get them though - but worth a try.
I am going to leave the parachute progression test till after AP I've decided.
Good man :thumbsup:
Your compulsive/obsessive drive is frightening
(in a good way)
I have to admire you...
If selling systems was my focus, id sell something a lot more desirable than AP. But attacking the wheel physics to change the odds is what works. It's the only way to overcome unfair payouts that i know of. I've mentioned the next best option imo is science like precognition. I have news in this area I'll explain later.
But AP is not exclusively vb, bias etc. AP is the casinos term for "anything that works".
Really they're not dumb. They've been sharing knowledge with other casinos for hundreds of years. And gambling existed before modern casinos. The discrepancy between odds and payout is really old news to casinos. But rarely properly understood by players.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 05:40 PM 2016
If he or anyone posts something against rules, report it. Show me exact posts you consider trolling and i can deal with one at a time.
Almost every player loses. Almost every player doesn't use AP. It's unpopular because it's not as convenient as RRBB. Do you hear of system players wining millions? Hard work ap, isn't it? Try making millions 9-5 at a desk. What's harder work?
I'm not a "fan" of AP. Its just that it actually works. The fact that i sell related products may seem like i have a conflict of interest. But the fact is i don't give a crap if people don't like the idea of AP. Really I'm not desperate to sell anything.
I say all the time fine if you don't like AP. Use another method. But the only way you can win consistently is if you change the odds of winning. Do it one way or another. I don't give a crap if you don't like computers etc. Find a NEW way to beat roulette and ill pay you for it.
How many houses does the general have?
How much money does he have?
Houses in florida and around the US? Penthouse suites?
How successful is AP for him?
I guaran damn tee you that if he was that successful off AP to the point of riches the last place he would be is HERE and ALL the other roulette forums (some of which he is banned from) trolling and peddling around with us common folk
Id be on my yacht, living large
I call BULL SH!T
Can we get this homunculus off the spotlight please?
:D
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 05:40 PM 2016
If he or anyone posts something against rules, report it. Show me exact posts you consider trolling and i can deal with one at a time.
Find a NEW way to beat roulette and ill pay you for it.
Which isnt arrogant, and is always admitting there may be something you missed. Not a blatant "it wont work"
Actually, he makes me laugh. Hes very sharp...but I dont like to see people get upset
I am laughing and rolling my eyes at the same time....and praying they use a comeback I thought of, but get upset instead
Not everyone sees it as a challenge accepted, and try to out-do it with a better quip.
And...I do see him try and be constructive, but his reputation goes before him....and people cant live in the moment
Too many grudges clogging their brains like plaque
He isnt a troll to me personally, but Im a MOD, and I see he is to many.....and I am left wondering which bits to delete, so its a pain in the arse for me.
Nobody knows much about anyone's wealth here. But keep in mind a winning system isn't instant millions. It's just like any business that needs hard work to profit. Maybe he really is a shoe cobbler. Who knows. But i recognize he does have good ap knowledge.
Anyway we all really wasting time here. Im having breakfast.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 06:03 PM 2016
Nobody knows much about anyone's wealth here. But keep in mind a winning system isn't instant millions. It's just like any business that needs hard work to profit. Maybe he really is a shoe cobbler. Who knows. But i recognize he does have good ap knowledge.
Anyway we all really wasting time here. Im having breakfast.
Crazy. Literal dinner time here
Thanks Turner! It's only because Priyanka introduced such fascinating concepts and synthesized many different principles - exclusively published at this forum - albeit spread all over the place. For all the effort he/she put into it I feel it's only right that somebody takes up the baton even if there's no worthy students who have what it takes to fully understand such gnostic teachings (myself included). It's fresh, original and totally fascinating. I think my time is well spent on this... Priyanka did leave us with quite a lot to go on in terms of his/her corpus - even if some parts were not covered as comprehensively as I would have liked. Rather than wait for this to be taken up by a future visitor to RouletteForum.cc in, say, 4 decades time, I think we should do our best to figure this out before the end of the year - whilst Priyanka is still alive following the death of Manrique, his/her predecessor. If I crack this VdW lark then I have the right to call myself a 3rd generation descendant - will be very prestigious indeed(!) - and I liked the movie The Prestige too! All future students will be obliged to watch this movie after I open up the school of Random Thoughts... Steve's theories will eventually die out with him - but AP will be the new accepted champion of the Roulette world - it's only a matter of time. However, my only fear is that we will have a harder time figuring out the identity of Priyanka than that of even Shakespeare so we may never be able to pay homage to our great teacher who began our lineage! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 19, 06:03 PM 2016Im having breakfast.
and Im putting off going to bed because the bedroom is like a blast furnace
32C here today....and we dont do air-con in house in England. not for 6 days a year lol
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 06:09 PM 2016
and Im putting off going to bed because the bedroom is like a blast furnace
32C here today....and we dont do air-con in house in England. not for 6 days a year.
Same problem here... great minds think alike! :thumbsup:
Get a 6 thousand btu bedroom window unit for those 6 days a year
Mine cost 150 dollars....
Refuse to die of heat
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 06:00 PM 2016
Which isnt arrogant, and is always admitting there may be something you missed. Not a blatant "it wont work"
Actually, he makes me laugh. Hes very sharp...but I dont like to see people get upset
I am laughing and rolling my eyes at the same time....and praying they use a comeback I thought of, but get upset instead
Not everyone sees it as a challenge accepted, and try to out-do it with a better quip.
And...I do see him try and be constructive, but his reputation goes before him....and people cant live in the moment
Too many grudges clogging their brains like plaque
He isnt a troll to me personally, but Im a MOD, and I see he is to many.....and I am left wondering which bits to delete, so its a pain in the arse for me.
Like post. :thumbsup:
Him funny, make laugh all time. Challenge make good comment return. Failure most. Me think smite from Germeral. :lol:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 19, 06:07 PM 2016Steve's theories will eventually die out with him - but AP will be the new accepted champion of the Roulette world - it's only a matter of time. However, my only fear is that we will have a harder time figuring out the identity of Priyanka than that of even Shakespeare so we may never be able to pay homage to our great teacher who began our lineage!
1. Actually the same laws of physics and logic will still exist long after I'm gone. The discrepancy between odds and payout is not my theory. It is simply "what is".
2. If you are referring to Priyanka's success on the multiplayer game, his success stopped after I identified a cheating loophole, and fixed it. Do I really need to say more?
3. The spread of winners and losers on the multiplayer game is all much the same as in real casinos. A few winning, but vast majority are losing. This is because of the house edge, and the systems being used arent affecting the odds. It's possible the current leaders have something, but 10,000 spins is still short term. If you run a simulation with a random system with RX, you'll find perhaps one in 15 times you'll end up profiting over 10,000 spins. But MOST of the time you'll lose. The math is not complicated. Even if you bet on 30,000 spins, it is easily possible to use an aggressive progression and be lucky with high bets, and lose mostly on smaller bets. It gives the illusion of a working system when really you just made a bunch of independent bets of varying sizes, each with their own odds and payouts.
Logging in after getting an Internet connection in India after a long time coming out from the remote places my charity works on yesterday. Will get 3-4 days of much longed connectivity and rest and then and will be back into the hills again.
The first post I read is this :) There is much more happening in the world than fighting over who is saying right and who is saying wrong :) through the number of PMs I have received I know that few people are thinking outside the box and am happy that I could ignite the spark.
Regarding rhe multiplayer game I did play it long after Steve you said you fixed some loophole only a couple of weeks back. Turbo did post what my status was and I played it after that and said hi to ever present maestro. People might call me what they want I don't care.
As I said earlier as well my intention is to prove spark interest in the new thoughts and not in beating anyone or to prove anyone wrong. And Steve, the game is not pattern matching like RBRB, it is pure mathematics. It is not side stepping probability, as no one can, it is more of playing with it with a combination of concepts.
Me thinks suitcase belongs not to Denzie, but Germinal!
Right Dimsun bro?
Quote from: Turner on Jul 19, 04:55 PM 2016
if, if, if, if, if ...... basically
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16981.msg155783#msg155783
Thanks.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 03:20 AM 2016
Logging in after getting an Internet connection in India after a long time coming out from the remote places my charity works on yesterday. Will get 3-4 days of much longed connectivity and rest and then and will be back into the hills again.
The first post I read is this :) There is much more happening in the world than fighting over who is saying right and who is saying wrong :) through the number of PMs I have received I know that few people are thinking outside the box and am happy that I could ignite the spark.
Regarding rhe multiplayer game I did play it long after Steve you said you fixed some loophole only a couple of weeks back. Turbo did post what my status was and I played it after that and said hi to ever present maestro. People might call me what they want I don't care.
As I said earlier as well my intention is to prove spark interest in the new thoughts and not in beating anyone or to prove anyone wrong. And Steve, the game is not pattern matching like RBRB, it is pure mathematics. It is not side stepping probability, as no one can, it is more of playing with it with a combination of concepts.
Why are you writing long unuseful posts?
Priyanka, I'm not against you. Simply the facts are i suspected a loophole in the game, so we added detailed logs to find any problems. we found your account was exploiting a loophole. The high win rate and success was the result of the loophole. There's no doubt about it. You played lots before it was fixed, and only a little after.
I didnt want to say it earlier, and just let it slide. But the problem is some people are convinced your results are the result of a super system, and it's misleading them.
I don't know enough about your systems to comment on them. I'm speaking only about the game results and people should be aware of it now.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 03:20 AM 2016
Logging in after getting an Internet connection in India after a long time coming out from the remote places my charity works on yesterday. Will get 3-4 days of much longed connectivity and rest and then and will be back into the hills again.
The first post I read is this :) There is much more happening in the world than fighting over who is saying right and who is saying wrong :) through the number of PMs I have received I know that few people are thinking outside the box and am happy that I could ignite the spark.
Regarding rhe multiplayer game I did play it long after Steve you said you fixed some loophole only a couple of weeks back. Turbo did post what my status was and I played it after that and said hi to ever present maestro. People might call me what they want I don't care.
As I said earlier as well my intention is to prove spark interest in the new thoughts and not in beating anyone or to prove anyone wrong. And Steve, the game is not pattern matching like RBRB, it is pure mathematics. It is not side stepping probability, as no one can, it is more of playing with it with a combination of concepts.
I believe Steve is trying to frame you; your title is in doubt. Master Priyanka, I beg you - please accept me as your diligent student! Instruct me in the ways of obtaining edge so that I can defeat Steve's multiplayer game and prove that you really are the champion that even one of your students - me, your former - can win against his
clan scam. We need to show Steve that we are not afraid. Your good name depends on this... please accept my humble offering.
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QuoteI believe Steve is trying to frame you; your title is in doubt. Master Priyanka, I beg you - please accept me as your diligent student! Instruct me in the ways of obtaining edge so that I can defeat Steve's multiplayer game and prove that you really are the champion that even one of your students - me, your former - can win against his clan scam. We need to show Steve that we are not afraid. Your good name depends on this... please accept my humble offering.
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That photo of ice cube cracked me up. Seriously though..that's some classy ass kissing there falkor2k15 ;D
Falkor you scare me
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 04:55 AM 2016so we added detailed logs to find any problems.
Was watching Few good men the other day. In the end Jack Nicholson screams - Son, you don't have any idea what it takes to save a nation. Yes I ordered CODE RED.
Steve - Three things. 1. I don't care what people think (probably the last time I should say this as it essentially says the other way around) but the last think I would do is exploit loopholes in an useless multiplayer game played over fun money. Things are not always the same as you think it is. If I have to I can cheat, even now. There are far many loopholes one doesn't need to work hard to find out. Right from the data of the spin file to a lot of things are out in the open if one really have to exploit. So I say again,things are not always the same you think they are and I say this in a very positive way. On a softer note I don't play hidden computers or AP as I don't like exploiting the loopholes and always believe in a fair game ;)
2. You say I have played less after the loophole. Check what turbo posted few weeks back as my ranking and status. Check it now the bank roll has tripled since. Well I know it's coming that not too many spins, if you know loopholes exist you are not mahatma what gurantees that you haven't exploited etc etc There is always an argument. Simply it is pointless playing it any longer, but I would still go ahead and may be play 100 spins whenever I find time in the next 3 days I have got.
3. So you have been spying on people. Don't take it in a wrong way, i for a fact know that the server logs contain the number or position you bet, the amount you bet etc for every account. It also records actions like whether a person is decreasing bets on a position etc etc. For a person who knows what is being logged, it is easy to manipulate what is being logged :). Keeping that aside, what am saying is you know what people do and what bets they place from your logging capabilities. However you answered in the negative when people asked whether you have any clue of what people are doing. If you remember I also answered that I trust you for that and you never negate this ever again. I am not against logging but am for people to know what information is being collected. This is the code red moment I spoke about. Again, don't take me wrong that am framing you, as I am your admirer. This whole thing got sparked inside me when I asked a friend why you don't play and the response that I got was there could be something fishy knowing Steve.
Again, I finish by saying, things are not always what you think they are. There could be much more than that. And again, a winning mechanical system is already there in the forum, it is just that you need to bring one and one together. It doesn't change the payout, doesn't change the odds, it is pure roulette math and you will have to bring multiple things together so that the odds work in your favour.
Pri actions speak louder then words
Continue doubling that bankroll and show everyone
:thumbsup:
I've seen this Pri like game and scam many times over the years. I would hope that most here are not gullible enouģh to fall for it.
@Falker,
I hope your part of some scam, because I think it's an even bigger crime to be so blissfully ignorant.
Sorry folks, sometimes I'm not politically correct. I have to occasionally say it as I really see it.
- The General
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 10:54 AM 2016I've seen this Pry like game and scam many times over the years. I would hope that most here are not gullible enouģh to fall for it.
Is there an expression better than rofl or lmao. ;)
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 10:57 AM 2016Is there an expression better than rofl or lmao.
Yes, actually there is. "PRI" ;D
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 10:54 AM 2016Sorry folks, sometimes I'm not politically correct. I have to occasionally say it as I really see it.
You don't have to be politically correct all the time. At the same time you don't also have to wear blinkers they wear on the horses to make them look in one direction. A tongue tie would help though.
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 10:59 AM 2016
Yes, actually there is. "PRI" ;D
Nice and I enjoy when conversations are like this. Honestly ;) PRI ;)
Pri,
I hope you're not secretly soliciting for money/investors via PMs like XXVV does on the other forum .
Pri.
Do yourself a favor and ignore him
You never misled anyone or tried to sell anything
You talked about cycles and different ways to view the game
You got people thinking
You had a major discussion which is what a forum is for.
You used the forum for which it is designed.
He does not
This homunculus sets the forum back.
Noone argues AP doesnt work. It does. But thats besides the point, he sucks. Its about him personally, not AP
Ignore him please
He is not worth the cyber space the post takes up in regards to forum productivity
Let it slide
Pri,
It appears as though Ghost will be your first customer. No surprise there. ::)
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If it wasn't for google images.....
And copy and paste
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:02 AM 2016
Pri,
I hope you're not secretly soliciting for money/investors via PMs like XXVV does on the other forum .
LOl. God has been kind to me. For some people there are only two ways to success. Shortcut. And shorter shortcut.
My main source of income is through another profession that I enjoy in the gaming industry(note not gambling industry) and am happy with what I get. I don't have to be lingering in a forum for years to draw pennies from poor souls who lurk here for fortune.
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:06 AM 2016
Pri,
It appears as though Ghost will be your first customer. No surprise there. ::)
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Then you don't understand people. Ghost wouldn't pay a penny for a system seller even if it is proven to make millions. I dont have to solicit I get numerous PMs asking for the price. lets say am waiting for the big fish and am happy leaving all those small ones. LOL.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 04:55 AM 2016Priyanka, I'm not against you. Simply the facts are i suspected a loophole in the game, so we added detailed logs to find any problems. we found your account was exploiting a loophole. The high win rate and success was the result of the loophole. There's no doubt about it. You played lots before it was fixed, and only a little after.
Oh my. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:02 AM 2016
Pri,
I hope you're not secretly soliciting for money/investors via PMs like XXVV does on the other forum .
Lol....I think you have been looking for fluff in frets too long.
Its puddled your brain.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:13 AM 2016I dont have to solicit I get numerous PMs asking for the price. lets say am waiting for the big fish and am happy leaving all those small ones. LOL.
Wow, that's disgusting.
I know the infection of ignorance looms large on many of these forums. Ripe prey for the gypsies is everywhere.
Turner,
(Fyi, I have proof of the XXVV scam) :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:21 AM 2016
infection of ignorance looms large on many of these forums. Ripe prey for the gypsies is everywhere.
It is not always infection of ignorance. It is the desire for shortcut and shorter shortcut and the social inequalities which drive most.
It is like this. As I say am in India now. There are 2 lives lost everyday in Mumbai with people travelling hanging from the train doors and crossing the train tracks to reach their destination faster. Hanging is driven by people not having choice and forced because of the system they live in. Crossing the tracks is driven by individual in desire for a shortcut. Both different but the risks are the same. People know the risks. But still they choose to do it. So it is not really ignorance, it is a desire more than that and a system that forces them.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:26 AM 2016It is not always infection of ignorance. It is the desire for shortcut and shorter shortcut and the social inequalities which drive most.
Yep. Ignorance and want. Are you related to Alababaha?
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The problem on forums is when someone assumes they know people.
Does this person really have such a shallow life that they care?
Who the hell cares what XXVV does
And me being a customer?
Yea good luck with that. As a recreational player i do not buy systems
Ill be playin the wheel this weekend in delaware.
A nice vacation with my wife. 1 year wedding anniversary. Delaware. The carolinas. my cousins wedding. And a few hundred set aside for roulette
Will be nice to leave long island for a week. Too many damn people
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Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:28 AM 2016Are you related to Alababaha?
Yes, in the same way am related to you.
Oh my.
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 11:39 AM 2016
Ghost,
Let's just say that I'd like to be a used car salesman when you walk onto the car lot.
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You don't listen do you
You can single handidly play out a GIF and ruin it for the entire internet
Noone thinks baldy is remotely funny anymore
This XXVV is a cat of a different species all by himself. I did not know he showed up here at RF.cc
What is he selling ? Investment advice ? Same for Pryinamka`s statistical crap.
hoooooooo...haaaaa...very hot topic...and yes Priyanka did play that day...so i had it right from begining that something fishyyyyy going on....good luck decoding wining systems...lol
You know what bothers me the most...
Steve said to us he wouldn't log any users playing method on his roulette game. Surprise, surprise... He does...
Nobody cares?
This forum is becoming a joke. Nobody does say anything usefull at all. It's one big b!tch fight and nobody want to be the bigger man.
Maybe it's a good idea to add some stricter rules...
Or maybe i should start my own forum (with blackjack and hookers) (add bender meme here)
RayManZ, this forum is just a microcosm for the world at large. The grass isn't greener elsewhere. Our culture is changing fast... the problem is two-fold:
1) People
2) Your expectations are too high
Roulette is far too specialised for there to be enough people to have regular in-depth technical discussions - particularly during this period of cultural decline. Technology may have improved, but the god complex is on the rise. Turner is also totally aware of the Empathy graph and what kind of draw down we are speculating for the next 10 years - whilst our political leaders are set to become ever more wackier with wackier hair-dos!
Why do you expect anything other than mass surveillance from people in power, like Steve, or indeed our government? Study Roulette less, and study people and power more! Your privacy and security was eradicated long ago. I am retired from society - so that's why I have more time for Roulette!
Remember, RayManZ: time flies, but you are the pilot. Don't let these things bother you...
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 20, 12:34 PM 2016
This forum is becoming a joke. Nobody does say anything usefull at all. It's one big b!tch
There is one useful thing it told us. All those systems/strategies just don't work. You might be lucky a bit but the variance is coming for you. Playing different systems could let you stay ahead a bit longer. But still the variance is coming for your money.
And about the b!tch!ng ... there only 2 members here that come to provoke.
But why you not start ? What you can teach us ? :)
Falkors right. Its just text. Deal with it or feck off lol.
Denzies right...nothing works
Steves right....if theres one out there Ill pay for it
Make your minds up...what are you doing?
Work at finding a way .....follow Caleb into fluff watching or go join a knitting forum
Dads chtistmas jumpers will get better if nothing else
How about discussing this one. My favourite topic that brings out how one can make things complex for themselves.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 20, 02:24 PM 2016
Dads chtistmas jumpers will get better if nothing else
:xd:
Pri.....
Corbin reminds me of the current Dr Who
Bit old for the role but I personally like him.
But you know a swish 37 year old vote grabber is what is needed...
Not a clever man
Ray,Guys,
Nobody is monitoring/spying on your individual roulette systems when you play them on the multi game ....because they simply aren't interesting enough for anyone to care. Besides, nobody is winning anything statistically relevant.
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-The General
Wins are irreleveant
Buggest troll ever
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 02:43 PM 2016Nobody is monitoring/spying on your individual roulette systems when you play them on the multi game ....because they simply aren't interesting enough for anyone to care. Besides, nobody is winning anything statistically relevant
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 20, 02:36 PM 2016
Pri.....
Corbin reminds me of the current Dr Who
Bit old for the role but I personally like him.
But you know a swish 37 year old vote grabber is what is needed...
Not a clever man
I have to give it to the old man though. Very tough nut anyone would have crackled under such intense pressure. I watching his farewell speech for David when he took a dig at him saying they are still deciding the rules. Not an inkling of losing out. Strong man. Any day I would vote for A straight talking than the politically shrewd. Vote bank always likes a bit of radicalism
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 20, 02:49 PM 2016
Wins are irreleveant
Buggest troll ever
Ghost,
Aren't you losing? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 03:06 PM 2016
Ghost,
Aren't you losing? ::)
Do you care if I am winning or losing?
Do you care what everyone is doing?
Thats your life?
Sorry for ya
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 20, 03:09 PM 2016
Do you care if I am winning or losing?
Do you care what everyone is doing?
Thats your life?
Sorry for ya
Let it slide ;)
He can join Kennyboy on other forums soon. They will be best friends for sure.
Turner how's that poll going ? ::)
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 02:30 PM 2016
How about discussing this one. My favourite topic that brings out how one can make things complex for themselves.
Politics is a false dichotomy... they all have the same boss... how comes you can beat Roulette, but haven't figured out something basic like the stage show of politics and how the media works? Proof that roulette can be beaten may be difficult to come by... but proving we are in an oligarchy is a piece of cake. Tuning into the media and reading newspapers/articles seriously is more stupid than doubling up after a loss! Did you know that all major wars have been controlled from both sides since the French revolution? Do you know how many false flag stunts the oligarchs have pulled on all the gullible folks around us since the new Millennium? And how many Malaysian jets were included in that?
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1. Priyanka, so you now admit to cheating. But you let people be misled and follow you like sheep. That says enough. I don't think you can cheat now. The logs so far show that. That's probably why you stopped playing.
2. At the time i was asked, bets were not logged. Now they are. You know every online casino logs a lot more than your bets. It's not to copy systems. Its for the same purpose i log data.
Quote from: The General on Jul 20, 02:43 PM 2016
Ray,Guys,
Nobody is monitoring/spying on your individual roulette systems when you play them on the multi game ....because they simply aren't interesting enough for anyone to care. Besides, nobody is winning anything statistically relevant.
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-The General
Wow... That's just the same thing people say about any privacy issue. Why bother? i don't do anything. They may spy on me.
And Steve. I know online casino's log everything. That's not the point. At first you say you don't and now you do. Maybe that why priyanka stopped playing?
He isn't selling anything so why would he has to prove anything? You are selling so you need to prove that it works. You publish on some video's of your computer. Priyanka also has published some video's on youtube, winning. Still he is not selling.
But this is a useless discussion.
The only one posting any systems online is ignatus, but they're all based on the same principle and will most likely fail in the long term.
We all know what does not work. Only a few know what will work. Maybe it's time for the few to throw some bones. But everything someone ask anything it will be ignored.
This forum is missing a purpose.
Steve ,crazy talk here,,, when did Pri admit to cheating? She said the opposite!!!!!
(this place is getting worse than the election).
Amen ray. Amen.
I have to rate Steve... he's no coward and is straight talking to the point. Steve talks with purpose.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 20, 05:12 PM 2016
Wow... That's just the same thing people say about any privacy issue. Why bother? i don't do anything. They may spy on me.
And Steve. I know online casino's log everything. That's not the point. At first you say you don't and now you do. Maybe that why priyanka stopped playing?
He isn't selling anything so why would he has to prove anything? You are selling so you need to prove that it works. You publish on some video's of your computer. Priyanka also has published some video's on youtube, winning. Still he is not selling.
But this is a useless discussion.
The only one posting any systems online is ignatus, but they're all based on the same principle and will most likely fail in the long term.
We all know what does not work. Only a few know what will work. Maybe it's time for the few to throw some bones. But everything someone ask anything it will be ignored.
This forum is missing a purpose.
Do you know why forums exist? It's not the answer you are thinking... all these guys aren't gathered here today because they are passionate about Roulette like Priyanka. There is something else that they are MORE passionate about that brings them here; Roulette is secondary to that purpose.
Who ignores who?
Can safely say that those who say pri was misleading or scamming people did not read the posts in the random thought thread and are assuming
Well you know what happens when people assume
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 20, 05:12 PM 2016
Steve ,crazy talk here,,, when did Pri admit to cheating? She said the opposite!!!!!
(this place is getting worse than the election).
Hmmm...I could be wrong but it was more, "I know all the loopholes, but chose not to use them.."
Bit more subtle than "the opposite"
Listen, who gives a shit what I think, but I do think very deep.
Pri is a nice guy and intelligent and I hope he considers me a friend as much as I do him, but theres a mysterious and devious element which I have berated him about many times in PM
I can do nice and intelligent, and I can do mysterious and devious.
But not in the same person usually
Anyways....Hes not selling and there is no proof shown here he cheated.
If he did cheat, its ironic that Steve who uses secret computers would suddenly be bothered about cheating.
If he did cheat, and won by monopolizing on flaws in the game, Caleb would call it it AP :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Jul 20, 06:17 PM 2016
Hmmm...I could be wrong but it was more, "I know all the loopholes, but chose not to use them.."
Bit more subtle than "the opposite"
Listen, who gives a shit what I think, but I do think very deep.
Pri is a nice guy and intelligent and I hope he considers me a friend as much as I do him, but theres a mysterious and devious element which I have berated him about many times in PM
I can do nice and intelligent, and I can do mysterious and devious.
But not in the same person usually
Anyways....Hes not selling and there is no proof shown here he cheated.
If he did cheat, its ironic that Steve who uses secret computers would suddenly be bothered about cheating.
If he did cheat, and won by monopolizing on flaws in the game, Caleb would call it it AP :thumbsup:
Turner ur so clever i love it
AP is cheating :)
The general does not play roulette. He hunts faults. Hehehehhehe
"chose not to use them" is not someone admitting to cheating.....Steve says Pri admitted to cheating
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 20, 06:28 PM 2016
"chose not to use them" is not someone admitting to cheating.....Steve says Pri admitted to cheating
Im with you Tomla, was just crossing some t's and dotting some i's
thats ok no probs Turner
QuoteIf I have to I can cheat, even now. There are far many loopholes one doesn't need to work hard to find out.
Priyanka, I mis-read what you said. It wasnt a direct admission. You say you could cheat, but havent. I would like to see you cheat now though. You were probably made aware of the possibility of cheating when I explained on the forum about some bugs that needed fixing. Look I dont want to make a big deal out of it, but I know for a fact you were cheating. You can deny it to other people, but the logs show it and I have no doubt. I shut up about it because I didnt want to make a big deal as I knew it would. Already this thread is off the rails. The problem was you were misleading people by not telling them you were cheating. You let them believe your winnings were the result of a good system.
I knew I would get heat for telling the truth. I usually do. But I had enough of seeing people being misled.
QuoteThat's just the same thing people say about any privacy issue. Why bother? i don't do anything. They may spy on me.
Rayman I'm not the NSA spying on people. I paid to create a free multiplayer game that members requested. To find bugs that would make the game unfair, we had to add logs. That's when I saw Priyanka was cheating. Almost every software has logs to fix bugs.
We can go in circles but its not going to achieve anything. I'm not saying anyone is scamming anyone. But I am saying Priyanka did cheat. Priyanka I'm not trying to start a war. The logs show what they show. And ow the cats out of the bag, I can reveal Turbo did testing with me to figure out in part how he was doing it.
As for the logging, if I wanted to steal people's systems, the logs would be much more structured towards reverse engineering systems. All they show is bets made, winning number and payouts. They dont show skipped spins or things like this that many systems here are based on. If i was interested in any systems, I would outright pay for them instead of spend hours sorting through logs trying to reverse engineer. Like i keep saying, show me a system that can replace my current methods, and I'll buy it from you
Also Priyanka why would you attack my methods? How are they relevant? Understand I'm not attacking you here. If simple facts dont suit you, what do you want me to do? I already shut up for a long time.
In what way was the cheating done
There were a few ways to exploit some issues. One was with multiple windows open, as I mentioned when I found the issue. It was easy to give yourself a large bankroll but doesnt seem to be possible now. Another way was exploiting communication between server and player's pc, but thats a lot of work and custom coding, but doesnt appear to be possible now either. But the biggest problem had to do with how the re-bet and remove bet functions worked. It allowed players to win on a number they didnt bet on. I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.
Priyanka has been exposed as a charlatan!!! :-[ :'( >:D
Steve, have you seen the Prestige? Were you able to spot in an instant how the magicians were tricking their audiences?
That's so terrible re: Priyanka... Steve was kind enough to reveal the deception.... let's never talk about this ever again... Steve and I and the rest of us here all have good consciences! O0
Quote from: Turner on Jul 20, 06:17 PM 2016
Hmmm...I could be wrong but it was more, "I know all the loopholes, but chose not to use them.."
Bit more subtle than "the opposite"
Listen, who gives a shit what I think, but I do think very deep.
Pri is a nice guy and intelligent and I hope he considers me a friend as much as I do him, but theres a mysterious and devious element which I have berated him about many times in PM
I can do nice and intelligent, and I can do mysterious and devious.
But not in the same person usually
Anyways....Hes not selling and there is no proof shown here he cheated.
If he did cheat, its ironic that Steve who uses secret computers would suddenly be bothered about cheating.
If he did cheat, and won by monopolizing on flaws in the game, Caleb would call it it AP :thumbsup:
Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?
So why are you and the others referring to her as a male?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 20, 09:44 PM 2016
Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?
So why are you and the others referring to her as a male?
word on the street is priyanka is a dual poster
was on VLS for awhile
and is a man
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 08:24 PM 2016
I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.
Steve - I like to always provide detailed explanation as much as possible to the extent people would like it. You told everyone that things have been fixed as of sometime back. Turbo had an obsession of coming here and proving everyone that he will be first. Following is the status that Turbo posted on July 4.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 11:15 AM 2016
Almost everyone was duped - and they ran around like a dog chasing it's tail instead of listening
to those who KNOW better.. Instead - those people get insulted.
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Amazing how once the ability to cheat was removed - from that exact moment on -
If I said no I didnt, no one would believe me. I went and played again. Following is how it looks like.
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See the difference in bankroll? See the difference in spins. Close to 100 spins played while maintaining the similar win ratio. I can keep going, but there is no point, is there?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 08:24 PM 2016
Another way was exploiting communication between server and player's pc, but thats a lot of work and custom coding, but doesnt appear to be possible now either. But the biggest problem had to do with how the re-bet and remove bet functions worked. It allowed players to win on a number they didnt bet on. I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.
Steve - Now that I have cleared the air on cheating stuff, to confirm I DID NOT EXPLOIT THE LOOPHOLE FOR WINNING, let me tell you things are not always what you think they are. As I said, I am good at programming and have far more access to what you think I do. The whole thing got triggered with the conversation with one of my friends on why dont you play and the response of fishiness. I wanted to prove him wrong. But I couldnt believe what I saw when I got into the system. Logs which were there logging steps of play snooping. At that time, I couldnt say anything, as I didnt know why those logs were there.
So I decided to play with them. I decided to alter the communication between the server and PC by modifying the log that is being written, just to understand whether the logs were being read and tracked. Then suddenly you came up with a loophole that people were exploiting. I dont have a clue of what that loophole was and what you were trying to fix. So I stopped playing for sometime just to check whether you were referring to the messed up logs. After few days you came back saying that things are fixed now. The moment you posted that I started playing again and altered a few more logs, just to confirm. Then came the brilliant moment that confirmed all that. Within minutes, you posted saying, ooh, the loophole is not yet fixed, I will fix and confirm. What a load of jacksons I thought. Things are not always what you think you are.
As Turner rightly knows and rightly says, dubiousness and mysteriousness is part of my nature. There are number of times, he has argued with me the methods that I use to make people think. There are times when he has been the voice of reason for me. Theres nothing to hide here. He used to say, I will alienate people if I use such dubiousness. He is right. But I think my job here is done. I have achieved what I wanted to achieve here.
But let me tell you the last thing I would do is exploit any loopholes to make people fall into searching for something that didnt exist. There's only one more person who can vouch on how I play, eventhough he doesnt know how I exactly play because we never shared with each other how we play. But we know it will more or less be the same as we use hte same concepts.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 07:40 PM 2016
Also Priyanka why would you attack my methods? How are they relevant?
I never attack your methods. Never spoke about saying hidden computers are useless. I am and will remain an admirer of people who use technology. If I have attacked your methods anywhere, that would have been unintentional. I sincerely apologise. Even on the way i taught when you or general asked questions, I have never tried to rub them off as foolishness. Because I like being questioned, Questions invoke thoughts, I argued with you not to constrain the random thoughts only to people who wont question, I came out and posted in randomer thoughts. My desire here in this forum is merely to make people think. I dont negate AP, I dont negate computers, I dont negate VB. I negate foolishness of people when they think they know more than what they actually do.
As you rightly said, even I dont want to make it a war. But you owed an explanation from me and here it is. If there are still questions on this I can answer. End of the day, I can only say I didnt exploit, but it is left to anyone to believe it or not and I dont care what one believes in or not.
posts were removed because, as per recent poll, members want it removed. But may I suggest you guys not take everything so seriously.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 20, 09:44 PM 2016Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?
All I'm aware of is ip is from india. I'm not here to argue who he or she is or isnt, or to say if his or her system is good. But yes a few people have pointed out information that he's a man. We really shouldnt care that much. I'm just explaining about the multiplayer game
Priyanka, ok so now you are saying you just hacked the server to edit the logs, and that's why it looked like you were cheating? There's so many holes in this claim, I'm not sure where to begin.
Yes I thought we did fix the cheating loophole, because I couldnt replicate the bankroll cheat, and neither could Turbo. But it turns out when you logged back on, we saw the problem still existed. It wasnt a bankroll cheat, it was something else.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 10:29 PM 2016Close to 100 spins played while maintaining the similar win ratio
To maintain the same ratio, you needed only to bet low and maintain the same win ratio as random bet selection. So if you bet on 0 and won about 3 times in 100 spins, you would have higher than average win rate. And if you won 4 times, it would be much higher. This is short term I'm talking about. So why is this your argument?
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 10:28 PM 2016But I couldnt believe what I saw when I got into the system. Logs which were there logging steps of play snooping. At that time, I couldnt say anything, as I didnt know why those logs were there.
Well that's a load of doo-doo.
Show me what's in the log exactly. Prove you had access.Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 10:28 PM 2016I decided to alter the communication between the server and PC by modifying the log that is being written, just to understand whether the logs were being read and tracked.
Actually, altering communication would only send a different number, but it wouldnt at all affect the discrepancy in the logs which showed wins on bets you didnt make. So what you are saying is actually impossible unless you directly hacked into the server and had administrative rights, then manually edited the log like a text file. You cant do that unless you did it from my pc though, because the SSH login ignores any communication unless its from my ip. And I didnt see you in my house. Even if I edited the file as admin, it would crash the entire system because of difference between RAM and database. Also, I was monitoring the logs while you played. So were you constantly hacking and editing the file after each spin? Sorry Priyanka, you are lying.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 10:28 PM 2016After few days you came back saying that things are fixed now. The moment you posted that I started playing again and altered a few more logs, just to confirm. Then came the brilliant moment that confirmed all that. You posted saying, ooh, the loophole is not yet fixed, I will fix and confirm.
Awesome deception from you Priyanka. You have used one fact and twisted it to back your other lie. It's simple. We made one change that fixed one bug, but it turned out the bug you were exploiting was unrelated to the other bug.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 10:28 PM 2016As Turner rightly knows and rightly says, dubiousness and mysteriousness is part of my nature
On a forum, people can pretend to be anyone.
No matter who is right. Who is wrong. Who is lying. Or who is telling the truth
One thing is for sure
Whoever "priyanka" is, defintiely a smart person to have that capability
To even know how to do that. Wow.
Priyanka, lets say you figured a way to see the logs. You would not be able to edit them. Not even I could edit them because I'd need to synchronize the database with the RAM and running program. If it wasn't done, it would crash the game. It could only be done via SSH which can only be accessed from my ip address, and the programmers ip.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 20, 10:59 PM 2016Whoever "priyanka" is, defintiely a smart person to have that capability To even know how to do that. Wow.
RG do you really believe him? Stumbling across a software glitch is not genius. Bugs exist in any new software. He didnt hack anything or intercept server-pc communications. What he said is not even possible because of how the software is designed.
The situation is simple. He cheated and mislead people into believing the winnings were the result of a good system. And to deny it, he's creating new lies.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 10:53 PM 2016Well that's a load of doo-doo. Show me what's in the log exactly. Prove you had access.
Steve - I will never post something that proves that I had access to the server. Within reasons, as I dont want a code red moment for me. But as you ask, let me show a sample of what potentially could have been posted in the logs.
- There should be a log entry to confirm whether a person has manually logged in in or not.
- If one is logged in and doesnt place a bet, there should be a log that says the person had not bet and had not won. Contrary to what you have said around "They dont show skipped spins or things like this that many systems here are based on".
- It will log the chip bets that i select. it will log the value of the chip without any prejudice like 25, 100 etc.
- Now lets say when i bet 100 on few numbers 20, 19 and 36, it should log something similar to the below:
CHECK BET: 20 100
CHECK BET: 19 100
BET 200 WON 0
So you do have complete access to what is happening on that table contrary to what you say. And finally Steve, I dont want a code red moment for me falling into the trap of a proof of me accessing the server.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 10:53 PM 2016So what you are saying is actually impossible unless you directly hacked into the server and had administrative rights, then manually edited the log like a text file. You cant do that unless you did it from my pc though, because the SSH login ignores any communication unless its from my ip.
I keep saying Steve - Always things are not always what you think they are. And there is much more in this world than one knows. You can be intelligent only upto a certain extent, there will always be an odd mistake, there will always be a footprint that you cant erase.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 10:53 PM 2016So why is this your argument?
:) The same old thing. As I said, there can always be arguments around less spin etc. Why only assume that you are telling the truth. You have admitted that you log things. May be for the good and may be its the truth. I am ready to accept it. I have said that I did not exploit the loophole. May be its the truth, why dont you want to see that side of things. See Steve, my only problem here is, I dont believe in single mindedness as it necessarily blocks people from thinking about possibilities. I am not leading people towards something that is not possible.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 11:20 PM 2016Priyanka, lets say you figured a way to see the logs. You would not be able to edit them. Not even I could edit them because I'd need to synchronize the database with the RAM and running program. If it wasn't done, it would crash the game. It could only be done via SSH which can only be accessed from my ip address, and the programmers ip.
Steve - Am sounding now like a broken record. Things are not always the way you think they are. For argument sake, I dont have to edit the logs, all I need to do is modify the information that is sent in the link: communication protocol that is sent to the server that the logs appear messed up. Not necessary that this is what i have done.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 20, 11:20 PM 2016
The situation is simple. He cheated and mislead people into believing the winnings were the result of a good system. And to deny it, he's creating new lies.
It is within reason to think what you think. For argument sake, let us assume I have cheated and misled people. It can mean few things. One I am scheming and scamming something. You have a business mind. Tell me who would waste precious family time over years to win a few hundred pounds. Two I am derilic psycho who takes pleasure in misleading people. Well, thats up for argument! It could mean many other things and they will all be up for argument like the second one.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:44 PM 2016all I need to do is modify the information that is sent in the link: communication protocol that is sent to the server that the logs appear messed up
The loophole had nothing to do with the winning number being predicted. And nothing to do with pc-server communication. It was about being paid for wins on bets you didn't really make.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:42 PM 2016Steve - I will never post something that proves that I had access to the server. Within reasons, as I dont want a code red moment for me.
I didnt expect you to provide proof that doesnt exist.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:42 PM 2016- There should be a log entry to confirm whether a person has manually logged in in or not.
Incorrect. The logging process doesnt bother with login. That's a matter for the RAM.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:42 PM 2016If one is logged in and doesnt place a bet, there should be a log that says the person had not bet and had not won.
There is only one circumstance where a skipped spin would be logged. If you login and do nothing, nothing is logged.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:42 PM 2016It will log the chip bets that i select. it will log the value of the chip without any prejudice like 25, 100 etc.
Incorrect. You havent seen the log.
You can guess what the log says, but the last guess above makes it clear you dont know exactly what the log contains.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 20, 11:42 PM 2016I keep saying Steve - Always things are not always what you think they are. And there is much more in this world than one knows. You can be intelligent only upto a certain extent, there will always be an odd mistake, there will always be a footprint that you cant erase.
I agree, but you are trying to tell me you edited the log to hide how you really won. You could only do that with server access via SSH, which you dont have.
Re-reading this, I thought this is not great information. So I thought i would give you few more hints which would be so customised for the system. If the same thing is on splits, it would say something like
1and4 100
31and34 100
if its on streets, it would be something along the lines of
street1 100
street2 100
if its on doublestreet, data logged would have something along the lines of "sixline1", "sixline2" etc.
The intention is to directly respond to your question on the logs and not give the exact content on the logs as I dont want a code red moment for myself. May be this information would help you decide yourselves on what I have said. I care least on what conclusion you arrive at whether I have cheated or not, but I will be glad if you come to a conclusion that "Things are not always what you think they are" irrespective of your perception about cheating.
Because thats the only thing that i want from this conversation and nothing else.
By the way, I messed up with the logs again today. See for yourselves. The intention is to show you that if I have to I can exploit the communication, but I dont have to, as you confirmed that the reason am not playing is because you fixed the loophole.
Priyanka, you specified the data that is sent to the server, not what's in the log file. The data from your pc to server is plain link: traffic anyone can see with the right tools. So far what you said about the log contents is actually incorrect. But with a few more guesses, you might be right.
I havent checked the logs yet, but if what you say is true, you just demonstrated the loophole is not closed, and it is how you achieved a high win rate. It's either that, or you can win on any spin you want. Which is more believable? I'll check the logs for any anomaly later.
Outsider point view with much computer knowledge.
You losing argument Steve. Sorry.
Dimsun, you are not admin, you do not see the logs, you dont know if Priyanka's claim is true. I'm admin, I see the logs, and I see his incorrect guess. Your experience with computers makes no difference here. If you really believe his win rate was not the result of cheating, then follow his every word and good luck to you.
Priyanka,
You are saying you won with a great system, and did NOT win by tampering with the data sent from pc to server. You are also saying you could cheat if you wanted, but never had to because of your system.
Is this all correct?
Steve,
Stop wasting time. Unless you really want to go into the online gaming industry.
What Pri, has done is what the poker bots were doing in the early days of online gaming.
The information was available in the link: sockets.
Once again, unless you going to have an online casino with real money, this is a waste of your time and resources.
However, having said that. Go back to the thread when were trying to prove blue_Angels HG. I said the forum does have threads that have the Grail. People have to understand whats happening. Pri, has said the same thing.
Good Luck. BTW it was nice of you to go through the Multi player app.
Azim, the issue here is not a game. It's that Priyanka led people to believe he won with a great system, when he merely cheated. It's misleading and I don't want people thinking his success had anything to do with his system.
He may or may not have a great system. I dont know enough about it. But there's clear information he cheated. Now he's saying he won with his system but had to change the logs so I wouldn't know how he won. I mean, come on.
Again if anyone has the HG, I'll buy it.
Steve,
I know. Let's face it. You are right. However, if people are going to believe him, people should ask for a live demo. If they don't get one. Its there stupidity to follow and pay.
I am not saying I am a saint. However, I have said, any system seller tells you to play on a certain wheel and were to play(as in physical location not red or black). I would run as far away as I can from that person.
I am not selling my systems or bot's I have them on my leash. I am sure If I have scammed anyone, It would have been out in the open by now.
NO ONE person can change the world. People have to understand. Like I, have said before you can't teach someone how to think. It's within oneself. To learn how to think.
I can say this as well, sometimes it's hard to find the right way to get from point A to B.
Steve,
Here , I want you to go back and tell everyone, when I first logged into the MultiPlayer.
I could have done the same thing what Pri, has done through link: sockets.
To show people, that his system works. Do everyone a favour, Open the layout for everyone to see the bets placed by anyone. I know it might be a lot to ask, however, if people don't see bets and see bankroll increasing they will say something.
Quote from: dimsun on Jul 21, 01:20 AM 2016Outsider point view with much computer knowledge.
You losing argument Steve. Sorry.
Actually, gathering by what Prianyka has said, it's rather clear now that he did cheat by manipulating the communication between the game client and server, you don't do that accidentally, and that won't simply give you access to logs stored on the server as he seems to claim. And yes I am a programmer by profession.
Quote from: Tacwell on Jul 21, 04:15 AM 2016
Actually, gathering by what Prianyka has said, it's rather clear now that he did cheat by manipulating the communication between the game client and server, you don't do that accidentally, and that won't simply give you access to logs stored on the server as he seems to claim. And yes I am a programmer by profession.
You are right. I didn't want to go into details. However, looks like even Steve fell for it too thinking Prianka didn't cheat.
Actually i initially didnt think much of his win rate because it was short term. But when it was repeated, i became suspicious. That's when i investigated ways of cheating. Then eventually we added the logs which showed enough to address a few loopholes. Even turbo found one. Maybe there are more. But it's just a game. I suspected someone might cheat to mislead people, and someone did.
If i find any other loopholes, we'll close them.
Anyway i explained the cheating because i was sick of people following priy like he's some master. Who knows, maybe he is. All i do know is he did cheat.
What he did most wrong was allow people to follow him like deciples based on game winnings. I assume for ego. It's conning people even if there isn't money involved.
Priyanka, if there was a loophole, the right thing to do would help the community and explain it for the benefit of everyone. The game is everyones. I don't run ads on it and never will.
Steve is on point. Listen to JFK...
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpmi7dBet0c
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 05:09 AM 2016i was sick of people following priy like he's some master
LOL. There it goes. At least you have the courage to admit it and I admire it. Turner often questions me, what do you want, you want to teach people or you want people to worship you. My answer has always been the former and not latter. I will answer the questions on multiplayer next, but the concepts I exhibited in the thread were available much more before the multiplayer roulette was there. I was accused of boasting, I said it is fine, I wont. But I will share only as much as am comfortable with. Its upto me what I can share and express my limits of what I can share. If it is against the forum rules, anytime please do tell me so and I will stop it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 05:09 AM 2016I assume for ego.
Sure Steve. As with everyone you are entitled to your opinions and assumptions. I dont argue with that.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 01:48 AM 2016You are saying you won with a great system, and did NOT win by tampering with the data sent from pc to server. You are also saying you could cheat if you wanted, but never had to because of your system.Is this all correct?
Steve. I can only say that this is correct. You still havnt shown a proof that I have cheated. You have only shown a proof that the logs show data which is incorrect. I have explained you how to do that by overriding the communication. You and turbo claimed that I have stopped playing because the loophole is closed. I showed you by messing the logs again proving that it is not the case. Now the rest is all your judgement and anyone's judgement. Based on this judgement if you want to call me a cheat, I dont mind. Afterall perception is the truth.
But remember, it works both ways. I have also proved that you log things. I have explained my side of the argument explaining why I believed you are logging things for your benefit. You say that is not the case. I believe you, but someone else may not. I havnt proved that you use logs for snooping, I have just proved that you log actions and bets.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 01:08 AM 2016But with a few more guesses, you might be right.
Steve - I repeat, I dont want a code red moment for me. I dont want to post the log contents exact as it is, but I have shown you enough hints. Now if you dont trust my statement based on what I have shown. You can safely conclude that I dont have access to logs.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 01:08 AM 2016you just demonstrated the loophole is not closed, and it is how you achieved a high win rate
Steve. Sometimes you need to think straight. Your statement above is partly correct. I demonstrated the loophole is not closed. But how does it demonstrate that I have achieved a high win rate using this loophole? It is judgement based on some prejudice. As I earlier told, you are entitled to that judgement, but it will remain a judgement contrary to your belief that it is the truth.
Quote from: Azim on Jul 21, 02:25 AM 2016Like I, have said before you can't teach someone how to think.
While I agree to most of what you have written. This is a point I differ. You can definitely teach someone how to think. I have been taught by my professor, I have been taught by my parents, I have been taught by my heroes. They have taught me how to think by influencing my thought process. Steve believes that I have cheated based on what he has seen and he believes that people are following what I have posted which is built on cheating. While I agree with him on changing the thought process by telling people dont follow cheats, what I dont agree with him is on his claims that I have done that. He forgets that people have been following what i have posted much before multiplayer roulette was available.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 02:11 AM 2016
He may or may not have a great system. I dont know enough about it.
Yet you called it just another RRBB system
Without even reading it
Only assuming
Geez steve.
Stop saying you would buy an HG when you make bold claims without even reading a method
Steve, Do you log PM's, too?
Thanks, Priyanka - there's a ton of value in your teaching for those willing to do the work.
As for how to think and being taught to think, just remember you cannot condition the unconditioned mind. Think about that.
Rg i don't care about his system. Again i don't know much about it. I'm only explaining his win rate is the result of cheating. Do you think he'll just admit it, or find some excuse to avoid showing he misled people?
He says he won with his hg system, and only manipulated the logs to hide how his system worked. You believe it?
The logs were created only after i suspected him of cheating. He said he manipulated the game because of the logs and wanted to hide goods system. Think about it
He may have manipulated the link: traffic. It's not hard to do with free software. But to manipulate the database only on bets he won on? Ill call it what it is. Bullshit. Why not hide bets on every other spin? Because he only needed a few big wins via cheating. The logs show cheating on relatively few spins. In the short term, he only needed a few huge cheating wins to get the high win rate.
Priyanka i already explained the data you gave about the database was an incorrect guess. Intelligent guess because you based on it user side parameters in the link: traffic, but wrong.
3nine, the database has all PMs. I could read them if i wanted. Am I interested? Not even remotely. Rather than criticising, you should be thanking me for working to create a fair and free game for everyone
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:09 AM 2016nine, the database has all PMs. I could read them if i wanted. Am I interested? Not even remotely.
Cool. At least you're being honest in this case.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:09 AM 2016manipulated the logs to hide how his system worked
Again interpretations Steve. When did I say that. I never said I manipulated logs to hide my system. Never.
Steve - Again don't think one minded. I don't have to modify the logs to win. I don't have to manipulate the logs to cheat. They are not related. If I know how to modify the logs through server communication to cheat, why wouldn't I know how to modify the win data without it reflecting in your logs. Think! May be you might get a good answer, might be possible you would get a crooked one.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:09 AM 2016I could read them if i wanted. Am I interested? Not even remotely
Steve - Think again. You could read them if you wanted. But you don't. Sounds familiar.
Steve - I have put all my arguments on the table.
Can we move to something else "if I say I have cheated to win. The winrate is not possible without cheating". Will you and Turbo be content with that? We can move to something else then.
Seems to me the win rate drew curiousity so he wanted to see how it was acheived.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:09 AM 20163nine, the database has all PMs. I could read them if i wanted. Am I interested? Not even remotely. Rather than criticising, you should be thanking me for working to create a fair and free game for everyone
Really? If you want me to criticize, I will, and you will be exposed further. Keep modifying your replies AFTER the responses, too. You're a joke, man. Good luck to you - I know you don't need it though, right? ;)
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 21, 06:33 AM 2016While I agree to most of what you have written. This is a point I differ. You can definitely teach someone how to think. I have been taught by my professor, I have been taught by my parents, I have been taught by my heroes. They have taught me how to think by influencing my thought process. Steve believes that I have cheated based on what he has seen and he believes that people are following what I have posted which is built on cheating. While I agree with him on changing the thought process by telling people dont follow cheats, what I dont agree with him is on his claims that I have done that. He forgets that people have been following what i have posted much before multiplayer roulette was available.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 21, 07:15 AM 2016
Again interpretations Steve. When did I say that. I never said I manipulated logs to hide my system. Never.
Steve - Again don't think one minded. I don't have to modify the logs to win. I don't have to manipulate the logs to cheat. They are not related. If I know how to modify the logs through server communication to cheat, why wouldn't I know how to modify the win data without it reflecting in your logs. Think! May be you might get a good answer, might be possible you would get a crooked one.
Steve - Think again. You could read them if you wanted. But you don't. Sounds familiar.
Pri, your cover has been blown. Accept what you have done.
Why on earth would you go snooping the link: sockets unless you wanted to cheat. There was no other reason. You were either expecting the next number to be in the socket data. The number wasn't there. So your best option was to manipulate the data and in the process you found the way the data was been transmitted and you manipulated it.
In respect to your thinking professors and sorry goes to your parents who must have taught you how to think in deceiving people. I guess every scammer has his day. This was yours.
Priyanka, then tell me clearly. Whats your apparent reason for manipulating the logs? Is your final reason curiosity?
And more importantly, why is the descrepancy that shows cheating only apparent on a few spins, but not the many other spins you played?
Im asking because with the exception of a few spins, your bets are all typical and normal like other players. Then you have the WTF lines in the log.
All the log figures add up, except a few lines. So almost every bet wasnt cheating, and those are normal expectation. This shows either your success was on a few spins, or you manipulated the games logs on all spins which would be very time consuming be ause youd need to manually parse different data, if thatswhat you did, instead of the $100 bets on inside numbers.
3nine expose me for what? Telling the truth? Makng a fair game tor members and preventing cheating? Do what you need to do.
Storage of PMs serves no purpose and is wrong.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 07:38 AM 2016
Storage of PMs serves no purpose and is wrong.
Technically yes it serves no purpose.
However, legally he has to store them.
Perhaps there's a misunderstanding here. I don't store the pms. The server does, so you can read them. They need to be stored somewhere.
If they aren't saved by the server, how do you think you'd ever read them? It's the same for every single forum on the Internet.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:44 AM 2016
Perhaps there's a misunderstanding here. I don't store the pms. The server does, so you can read them. They need to be stored somewhere.
If they aren't saved by the server, how do you think you'd ever read them? It's the same for every single forum on the Internet.
Got it
ok having cleared that up now, and that I dont read PMs, I promise not to tell anyone about your little hotel meeting with General.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:57 AM 2016
ok having cleared that up now, and that I dont read PMs, I promise not to tell anyone about your little hotel meeting with General.
Funny i was going to meet him at my casino which apparrently has a biased airball wheel.
Safe to say that got scrubbed due to his internet persona
What a charade. ROFLMAO.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:33 AM 2016
Priyanka, then tell me clearly. Whats your apparent reason for manipulating the logs? Is your final reason curiosity?
Steve - Yes it is. The curiosity to know what is being captured. The curiosity to know whether the conversation I had with a freind here was true. I am not disclosing the name and if the person is alright to come forward that we did the conversation, I dont have any issues. "I registered for the "steve" thing. But I will monitor it for a while. I have a truly deep mistrust in Steve. I'm pretty sure he is up to something (like gathering spins of a successful system, reverse engineer an than sell it, or something like that)...". These are the exact words we discussed and that triggered my curiousness.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 21, 07:33 AM 2016
And more importantly, why is the descrepancy that shows cheating only apparent on a few spins, but not the many other spins you played? Im asking because with the exception of a few spins, your bets are all typical and normal like other players. Then you have the WTF lines in the log.
There is a phrase that use the right worm to catch the fish. There are multiple ways I use my concepts. One is continuous betting where the win rate staggers around 1.3 to 1.4. One is betting selectively (this is very apparent from usage of 5cent and 5$ bets) in my videos. The lower bets doesnt mean anything to me. So the only way I could understand whether the logs are just logged or are being monitored is to alter the winning bets. As you rightly said the success is on few spins not every spin as I was playing straights mostly with a few splits.
Changing game logs on all spins is not time consuming as you think. It takes 3 seconds to change the log in each spin.
Quote from: Azim on Jul 21, 07:30 AM 2016
There was no other reason. You were either expecting the next number to be in the socket data. The number wasn't there. So your best option was to manipulate the data and in the process you found the way the data was been transmitted and you manipulated it.
Azim - What you have written here is not right. Again another case of posting without reading or knowing what is going on :). I think Steve is slowly getting to understand whats happened.
Quote from: Azim on Jul 21, 07:30 AM 2016
In respect to your thinking professors and sorry goes to your parents who must have taught you how to think in deceiving people. I guess every scammer has his day. This was yours.
Sure. Appreciate it.
Priyanka. If one had a great system
Why care if it was reverse engineered?
Why the greed?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 08:05 AM 2016
Priyanka. If one had a great system
Why care if it was reverse engineered?
Why the greed?
Me think principal.
What I like Priyanka answer more important than if cheat. Are you same GreatGrampa?
ok heres the summary:
1. priy says he knows how to cheat, but never cheated. I say thats BS and he did cheat. already explained most proof.
2. priy sent me a pm explaining the cheat. Ive notified the programmer to look into it.
3. I think priy has a penis, although its not as relevant as the previous two points.
4. Ill post updates as I find out. So the forum can get back on track, Ive at least temporarily locked the topic.
Priyanka, what would you do if you suspected someone of cheating? Youd create logs, right? Thats what I did. If I wanted to steal systems, Id have logging from the start, wouldnt I? You dont know me well. If theres a HG Id insist on paying the $100k to the person who found it. I dont care about the money. I dont use most of it for personal purposes.
Dont let your imagination of system stealing scammer steve go wild. Really Im as honest as people get, despite the crap you read.