Dear readers,
this is a thread which requires your full attention in order to fully comprehend the hidden opportunity.
Let's start with the basic about the Law Of the Third:
In every 37 spins cycle there are 24 numbers which have appeared once or more and 13 sleepers
(numbers which haven't appeared within the last 37 spins)
Those are average numbers and deviations exist, for example I've seen up to 30 different numbers to show up within the 37 last spins and the least were 18 different numbers.
Those extremes are from my experience during gambling sessions and not from simulations.
In order to find the average we should determine the extremes,or in other words the limits, in that case 18 and 30 are the limits.
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 26 26 27 28 29 30 start by discarding the outer numbers from both sides:
First discarding 18 and 30
Second discard 19 and 29
Third discard 20 and 28
Fourth discard 21 and 27
Fifth discard 22 and 26
Sixth discard 23 and 25
And we conclude to 24 which is the average total of the appeared numbers within 37 last spins.
Another way to calculate the average is to add all the totals and then divide the total sum with the total of the averages,for example:
18 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 time
19 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
20 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
21 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
22 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
23 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
24 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 7 times
25 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
26 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
27 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
28 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
29 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
30 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 times
[(1 x 18)+(2 x 19)+(3 x 20)+(4 x 21)+(5 x 22)+(6 x 23)+(7 x 24)+(6 x 25)+(5 x 26)+(4 x 27)+(3 x 28)+(2 x 29)+(1 x 30) / 49] =>
[(18+38+60+84+110+138+168+150+130+108+84+58+30) / 49]=>
1176 / 49 = 24
This means that if someone was betting one number for 37 spins, 24 times he/she would have won and 13 times he/she would have lost.
To calculate the total sum of lost bets is easy:
13 times multiplied by 37 (1 x 37) equals minus 481 units.
In order to find the total amount of won bets, we should again calculate the averages as we did above,let's see:
We start from the middle numbers within a 37 spin cycle and add 2 more numbers from both sides till we have a total of 24.
18th and 19th spins
17th and 20th spins
16th and 21st spins
15th and 22nd spins
14th and 23rd spins
13th and 24th spins
12th and 25th spins
11th and 26th spins
10th and 27th spins
9th and 28th spins
8th and 29th spins
7th and 30th spins
So we have 24 wins from different spins, now let's calculate the total amount of net profit.
29+28+27+26+25+24+23+22+21+20+19+18+17+16+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6 = 420
But since we would lose 481 - 420 = -61 loss, therefore the definition negative expectation.
Do we agree so far?
Is everything clear?
Let's see how we could turn the negative expectation into positive without changing a thing in terms of probability, in fact with exactly the same results which have lead us to the negative balance above.
The average expectation is to get twice the wins for every loss, with my method you only need approximately 1 positive cycle for every negative cycle, which means that the proportion of 2 to 1 changed to 1 to 1.
Let me explain how this is possible, the only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number.
You could pick a random number, or your "lucky" number or anything else you like.
I start flat betting 1 number with 1 unit for 36 spins.
When the betting number appears, no matter in which spin, I re-bet the same number plus its neighbour regarding the wheel layout (right or left doesn't matter)
So now I'm flat betting 2 numbers with 1 unit each for the next 18 spins.
When one of the two betting numbers hits within eighteen spins, then I re-bet those two numbers and adding the other wheel neighbour, thus in total three numbers for the next 12 spins, always flat bet 1 unit each.
When one of the three betting numbers comes, I add one more neighbour,this time from the table layout.
So far we have 4 numbers to flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 9 spins.
Let's see if you keep on winning what happens:
5 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 7 spins
6 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 6 spins
7 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 5 spins
8 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
9 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
10 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
11 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
Eleven is the maximum numbers you could bet, this may happen if your first number was 17 for example, because 17 has 2 neighbours on the wheel's layout (like every number) and 8 neighbours regarding the table layout 13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21 (yes,the diagonals too).
What if someone is lucky enough and after adding all neighbours one by one continues to win?
In this case you start adding 1 unit each time you win to only 1 of your betting numbers, you should start from your first selection and continue with the same order.
The minimum total of betting numbers are 6, for example 34 has 2 neighbours at the wheel's layout (17,6) and 3 neighbours at the table (31,32,35)
All together with 34 are six numbers.
We have seen how it might proceed if you are lucky and win frequently, this is not so rare because sometimes the croupiers are hitting specific sectors/numbers frequently (more than their probability)
Personally I've reached two times the 6 numbers bet selection after not many trials, of course this is not always the case.
Let's see what happens when we eventually lose, when you lose during 2 numbers bet selection or more, then you just pick another number and start from scratch, which means flat bet 1 number for the next 36 spins.
There is only one exception, if you lose during 1 number bet selection, in that case you pick another number but this time the betting wouldn't be flat, each and every time our number fails to hit we would add some interest by adding 1 unit.
So the bet on our number would be like this:
1st spin 1 unit
2nd spin 2 units
3rd spin 3 units
4th spin 4 units and so on till your number eventually appears or till you have lost for 37 spins in a row.
If you lose for second consecutive time your 37 bet cycle,this means that somewhere ahead are 4 more winning cycles/rounds but you would only need 2 of them in order to overcome the 2 negative ones.
You change again the number and continue with the dynamic progression till your winning cycles/rounds equals your losing ones.
Let's calculate the losing and winning totals by betting with the dynamic progression instead of the flat bet.
Remember that the average expectation is to lose 13 times within 37 cycles/rounds, so the total loss will be:
[13 x (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37)]=>
13 x 703 = -9139 units
Now let's calculate the total amount of profit:
[(7 x 35) - 21] + [(8 x 35) - 28] + [(9 x 35) - 36] +[(10 x 35) - 45] + [(11 x 35) - 55] + [(12 x 35) - 66] + [(13 x 35) - 78] + [(14 x 35) - 91] + [(15 x 35) - 105] + [(16 x 35) - 120] + [(17 x 35) - 136] +[(18 x 35) - 153] + [(19 x 35) - 171] + [(20 x 35) - 190] + [(21 x 35) - 210] + [(22 x 35) - 231] + [(23 x 35) - 253] + [(24 x 35) - 276] + [(25 x 35) - 300] + [(26 x 35) - 325] + [(27 x 35) - 351] + [(28 x 35) - 378] + [(29 x 35) - 406] + [(30 x 35) - 435] =>
(245 - 21) + (280 - 28) + (315 - 36) + (350 - 45) + (385 - 55) + (420 - 66) + (455 - 78) + (490 - 91) + (525 - 105) + (560 - 120) + (595 - 136) + (630 - 153) + (665 - 171) + (700 - 190) + (735 - 210) + (770 - 231) + (805 - 253) + (840 - 276) + (875 - 300) + (910 - 325) + (945 - 351) + (980 - 378) + (1015 - 406) + (1050 - 435) =>
224 + 252 + 279 + 305 + 330 + 354 + 377 + 399 + 420 + 440 + 459 + 477 + 494 + 510 + 525 + 539 + 552 + 564 + 575 + 585 + 594 + 602 + 609 + 615 = +11080
We deduct 9139 from 11080 and we find 1941 net profit, therefore the negative expectation has been turned into positive!
But wait, there are more good news!
Since always the first losing cycle/round costs us 36 units instead of 703, that's why you don't need the exact probability to happen (2 winning cycles for every 1 losing cycle), you need approximately equal winning/losing cycles.
I say approximately because you never know in which spin your number is going to appear, thus the net gain differs.
Let me put it this way,if after 2 losing cycles you have 2 winning ones, then you are in profit and re-start from 1 number flat bet with 1 unit for 36 spins.
But after 3 or more consecutive losing cycles you would need the same amount of winning cycles plus 1 more.
Even in such situation, you can be in the positive with worst results than what probability theory supports.
For example in order to overcome 3 losing rounds, I just need 4 instead of 6 which probability dictates as average.
Of course,the results could also be better than average!:-)
Just remember that in the first phase, while we flat bet, we try to find the possibility to win by frequent repeaters.
We build slowly and safely a net gain and we don't limit the possibility for more profits (sky is the limit!) but we limit the loss.
During any stage of the 1st phase (flat bet) the maximum amount we risk is 36 units or less, if you don't lose during the 1st (1x36) or 2nd stage (2x18) of the first phase, then you would be in the positive.
The longer you keep on winning with the flat bets, the more would be the profit, it's all about what happens first.
Under any circumstance you will know what to do next, I'd recommend a total bankroll of 2000 minimum, 6000 average and 10000 units maximum in order to overcome occasional distribution anomalies.
Angelo A.
Blue Angel, a nice analisis
I saw some miss calculations
"This means that if someone was betting one number for 37 spins, 24 times he/she would have won and 13 times he/she would have lost."
The chance to hit 1 or more times in 35 spins(at least +1) is 61%(24hits is over 64%), the chance to hit 1or more times in 36 spins is 62%, and 63% the chance to hit 1 or more in 37
"Those extremes are from my experience during gambling sessions and not from simulations."
Actual facts must be set with several thounsend of trials. Our bounderies 18-30 are short term.
Your ideas should be tested with large simulations. It would not be hard to determine how your system works.
Quote from: Toby on Jul 26, 11:28 PM 2016
Blue Angel, a nice analisis
I saw some miss calculations
"This means that if someone was betting one number for 37 spins, 24 times he/she would have won and 13 times he/she would have lost."
The chance to hit 1 or more times in 35 spins(at least +1) is 61%(24hits is over 64%), the chance to hit 1or more times in 36 spins is 62%, and 63% the chance to hit 1 or more in 37
"Those extremes are from my experience during gambling sessions and not from simulations."
Actual facts must be set with several thounsend of trials. Our bounderies 18-30 are short term.
Your ideas should be tested with large simulations. It would not be hard to determine how your system works.
24 / 37 = 0.6486 x 100 = 64.86%
By the way is thousand, not ''thounsend''
So if you or any other wants to try it for thousands, or even millions of outcomes, be my guest.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Jul 24, 05:46 AM 2016
Dear readers,
this is a thread which requires your full attention in order to fully comprehend the hidden opportunity.
Let's start with the basic about the Law Of the Third:
In every 37 spins cycle there are 24 numbers which have appeared once or more and 13 sleepers
(numbers which haven't appeared within the last 37 spins)
Those are average numbers and deviations exist, for example I've seen up to 30 different numbers to show up within the 37 last spins and the least were 18 different numbers.
Those extremes are from my experience during gambling sessions and not from simulations.
In order to find the average we should determine the extremes,or in other words the limits, in that case 18 and 30 are the limits.
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 26 26 27 28 29 30 start by discarding the outer numbers from both sides:
First discarding 18 and 30
Second discard 19 and 29
Third discard 20 and 28
Fourth discard 21 and 27
Fifth discard 22 and 26
Sixth discard 23 and 25
And we conclude to 24 which is the average total of the appeared numbers within 37 last spins.
Another way to calculate the average is to add all the totals and then divide the total sum with the total of the averages,for example:
18 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 time
19 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
20 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
21 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
22 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
23 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
24 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 7 times
25 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
26 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
27 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
28 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
29 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
30 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 times
[(1 x 18)+(2 x 19)+(3 x 20)+(4 x 21)+(5 x 22)+(6 x 23)+(7 x 24)+(6 x 25)+(5 x 26)+(4 x 27)+(3 x 28)+(2 x 29)+(1 x 30) / 49] =>
[(18+38+60+84+110+138+168+150+130+108+84+58+30) / 49]=>
1176 / 49 = 24
This means that if someone was betting one number for 37 spins, 24 times he/she would have won and 13 times he/she would have lost.
To calculate the total sum of lost bets is easy:
13 times multiplied by 37 (1 x 37) equals minus 481 units.
In order to find the total amount of won bets, we should again calculate the averages as we did above,let's see:
We start from the middle numbers within a 37 spin cycle and add 2 more numbers from both sides till we have a total of 24.
18th and 19th spins
17th and 20th spins
16th and 21st spins
15th and 22nd spins
14th and 23rd spins
13th and 24th spins
12th and 25th spins
11th and 26th spins
10th and 27th spins
9th and 28th spins
8th and 29th spins
7th and 30th spins
So we have 24 wins from different spins, now let's calculate the total amount of net profit.
29+28+27+26+25+24+23+22+21+20+19+18+17+16+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6 = 420
But since we would lose 481 - 420 = -61 loss, therefore the definition negative expectation.
Do we agree so far?
Is everything clear?
Let's see how we could turn the negative expectation into positive without changing a thing in terms of probability, in fact with exactly the same results which have lead us to the negative balance above.
The average expectation is to get twice the wins for every loss, with my method you only need approximately 1 positive cycle for every negative cycle, which means that the proportion of 2 to 1 changed to 1 to 1.
Let me explain how this is possible, the only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number. this is far as i have got,should i really read on as this part you are not going to show?will it end up like having a book with the important page missing
You could pick a random number, or your "lucky" number or anything else you like.
I start flat betting 1 number with 1 unit for 36 spins.
When the betting number appears, no matter in which spin, I re-bet the same number plus its neighbour regarding the wheel layout (right or left doesn't matter)
So now I'm flat betting 2 numbers with 1 unit each for the next 18 spins.
When one of the two betting numbers hits within eighteen spins, then I re-bet those two numbers and adding the other wheel neighbour, thus in total three numbers for the next 12 spins, always flat bet 1 unit each.
When one of the three betting numbers comes, I add one more neighbour,this time from the table layout.
So far we have 4 numbers to flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 9 spins.
Let's see if you keep on winning what happens:
5 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 7 spins
6 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 6 spins
7 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 5 spins
8 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
9 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
10 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
11 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
Eleven is the maximum numbers you could bet, this may happen if your first number was 17 for example, because 17 has 2 neighbours on the wheel's layout (like every number) and 8 neighbours regarding the table layout 13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21 (yes,the diagonals too).
What if someone is lucky enough and after adding all neighbours one by one continues to win?
In this case you start adding 1 unit each time you win to only 1 of your betting numbers, you should start from your first selection and continue with the same order.
The minimum total of betting numbers are 6, for example 34 has 2 neighbours at the wheel's layout (17,6) and 3 neighbours at the table (31,32,35)
All together with 34 are six numbers.
We have seen how it might proceed if you are lucky and win frequently, this is not so rare because sometimes the croupiers are hitting specific sectors/numbers frequently (more than their probability)
Personally I've reached two times the 6 numbers bet selection after not many trials, of course this is not always the case.
Let's see what happens when we eventually lose, when you lose during 2 numbers bet selection or more, then you just pick another number and start from scratch, which means flat bet 1 number for the next 36 spins.
There is only one exception, if you lose during 1 number bet selection, in that case you pick another number but this time the betting wouldn't be flat, each and every time our number fails to hit we would add some interest by adding 1 unit.
So the bet on our number would be like this:
1st spin 1 unit
2nd spin 2 units
3rd spin 3 units
4th spin 4 units and so on till your number eventually appears or till you have lost for 37 spins in a row.
If you lose for second consecutive time your 37 bet cycle,this means that somewhere ahead are 4 more winning cycles/rounds but you would only need 2 of them in order to overcome the 2 negative ones.
You change again the number and continue with the dynamic progression till your winning cycles/rounds equals your losing ones.
Let's calculate the losing and winning totals by betting with the dynamic progression instead of the flat bet.
Remember that the average expectation is to lose 13 times within 37 cycles/rounds, so the total loss will be:
[13 x (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37)]=>
13 x 703 = -9139 units
Now let's calculate the total amount of profit:
[(7 x 35) - 21] + [(8 x 35) - 28] + [(9 x 35) - 36] +[(10 x 35) - 45] + [(11 x 35) - 55] + [(12 x 35) - 66] + [(13 x 35) - 78] + [(14 x 35) - 91] + [(15 x 35) - 105] + [(16 x 35) - 120] + [(17 x 35) - 136] +[(18 x 35) - 153] + [(19 x 35) - 171] + [(20 x 35) - 190] + [(21 x 35) - 210] + [(22 x 35) - 231] + [(23 x 35) - 253] + [(24 x 35) - 276] + [(25 x 35) - 300] + [(26 x 35) - 325] + [(27 x 35) - 351] + [(28 x 35) - 378] + [(29 x 35) - 406] + [(30 x 35) - 435] =>
(245 - 21) + (280 - 28) + (315 - 36) + (350 - 45) + (385 - 55) + (420 - 66) + (455 - 78) + (490 - 91) + (525 - 105) + (560 - 120) + (595 - 136) + (630 - 153) + (665 - 171) + (700 - 190) + (735 - 210) + (770 - 231) + (805 - 253) + (840 - 276) + (875 - 300) + (910 - 325) + (945 - 351) + (980 - 378) + (1015 - 406) + (1050 - 435) =>
224 + 252 + 279 + 305 + 330 + 354 + 377 + 399 + 420 + 440 + 459 + 477 + 494 + 510 + 525 + 539 + 552 + 564 + 575 + 585 + 594 + 602 + 609 + 615 = +11080
We deduct 9139 from 11080 and we find 1941 net profit, therefore the negative expectation has been turned into positive!
But wait, there are more good news!
Since always the first losing cycle/round costs us 36 units instead of 703, that's why you don't need the exact probability to happen (2 winning cycles for every 1 losing cycle), you need approximately equal winning/losing cycles.
I say approximately because you never know in which spin your number is going to appear, thus the net gain differs.
Let me put it this way,if after 2 losing cycles you have 2 winning ones, then you are in profit and re-start from 1 number flat bet with 1 unit for 36 spins.
But after 3 or more consecutive losing cycles you would need the same amount of winning cycles plus 1 more.
Even in such situation, you can be in the positive with worst results than what probability theory supports.
For example in order to overcome 3 losing rounds, I just need 4 instead of 6 which probability dictates as average.
Of course,the results could also be better than average!:-)
Just remember that in the first phase, while we flat bet, we try to find the possibility to win by frequent repeaters.
We build slowly and safely a net gain and we don't limit the possibility for more profits (sky is the limit!) but we limit the loss.
During any stage of the 1st phase (flat bet) the maximum amount we risk is 36 units or less, if you don't lose during the 1st (1x36) or 2nd stage (2x18) of the first phase, then you would be in the positive.
The longer you keep on winning with the flat bets, the more would be the profit, it's all about what happens first.
Under any circumstance you will know what to do next, I'd recommend a total bankroll of 2000 minimum, 6000 average and 10000 units maximum in order to overcome occasional distribution anomalies.
Angelo A.
At least you are one of the smart folks because you realise the importance of selection, choosing right from wrong makes the whole difference between winners and losers, if every selection was the same then what's the point to speak about prediction accuracy??
However, nobody would ever reveal you the whole solution, but just parts and for the savvy would be sufficient in order to find their way through the rest of the steps.
Here is the "raw" version, but I've fine tuned it by applying a tweak and the selection criteria for picking numbers with better than average probability.
Just a sidenote, the selection method for picking numbers alone could win with flat bets in long term.
I'm willing to prove you this kind of accuracy but without revealing the steps of the method.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Jul 27, 04:24 AM 2016However, nobody would ever reveal you the whole solution, but just parts and for the savvy would be sufficient in order to find their way through the rest of the steps.
Not reveal whole solution, never proved wrong if fail. :thumbsup:
By the way, I was reading the topic "DNA of roulette" and I've to admit that I failed to see what betting 1 dozen and 1 column has to do with "law of the thirds", disappointment in my opinion.
The so called "hot" and "cold" numbers never belong to only 1 sector of the wheel's or table's layout, they belong to more than 1 groups/sectors, this is a very common fallacy, to consider numbers in groups just because of their proximity regarding those 2 layouts.
These 2 layouts (wheel's & table's) are only 2 out of many other possible layouts, just imagine how differently you could consider outcomes when you release your perception out of the mainstream frames!
Quote from: dimsun on Jul 27, 05:04 AM 2016
Not reveal whole solution, never proved wrong if fail. :thumbsup:
Regardless of what one might think, I don't have to prove anything except to myself.
Is this as good as your other holy grail a while back ?
Quote from: denzie on Jul 27, 06:50 AM 2016
Is this as good as your other holy grail a while back ?
much better than your parlay on 2 dozens/columns
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Jul 27, 06:51 AM 2016
much better than your parlay on 2 dozens/columns
I parlay ec's but who cares right. (And I hate columns ).
Anyway carry on :P
Quote from: dimsun on Jul 27, 05:04 AM 2016
Not reveal whole solution, never proved wrong if fail. :thumbsup:
Yup
QuoteThere is only one exception, if you lose during 1 number bet selection, in that case you pick another number but this time the betting wouldn't be flat, each and every time our number fails to hit we would add some interest by adding 1 unit.
So the bet on our number would be like this:
1st spin 1 unit
2nd spin 2 units
3rd spin 3 units
4th spin 4 units and so on till your number eventually appears or till you have lost for 37 spins in a row.
If you lose for second consecutive time your 37 bet cycle,this means that somewhere ahead are 4 more winning cycles/rounds but you would only need 2 of them in order to overcome the 2 negative ones.
You change again the number and continue with the dynamic progression till your winning cycles/rounds equals your losing ones.
Let's calculate the losing and winning totals by betting with the dynamic progression instead of the flat bet.
Remember that the average expectation is to lose 13 times within 37 cycles/rounds, so the total loss will be:
[13 x (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37)]=>
13 x 703 = -9139 units
You need more than 10,000 to play this!? :ooh:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 27, 07:26 AM 2016
You need more than 10,000 to play this!? :ooh:
Assuming you just randomly picking numbers and just change number after a losing cycle, you'll need roughly 3000 units.
Without my extra tweak and selection criteria, you should expect more intensive fluctuations, such as 4 losing cycle in a row.
I'd not recommend to anyone trying this method with less than 3000 units, this is the minimum bankroll requirement.
Yes it is very bankroll demanding, yes it is like putting too many eggs inside one basket!
That's why is not for everyone, also you need clear mind, the balls of a bull and nerves of steel to apply it properly!
Of course the potential profit compensates for everything else.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 27, 06:57 AM 2016
I parlay ec's but who cares right. (And I hate columns ).
Anyway carry on :P
Just a friendly advice, EC streaks are choppier than 2 dozens streaks.
So if you are looking for parlaying, you are looking in the wrong place.
omg you killed the forums recent posts with capital letters
The idea is to bet 2 dozens
Then use the casinos/other players money to continue profiting on a streak
But you know how that goes. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt
QuoteSometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt
Like everything else
Quote from: Steve on Jul 27, 07:44 AM 2016
omg you killed the forums recent posts with capital letters
I always express my opinion, some might like it, while others not.
I don't find it necessary to agree with everyone in everything.
The question is does your method of bet selection change the odds, to be better than 1 in 37. If yes, then it wins long term. If not, then the opposite.
The law of a third does sound interesting at first, but Ive never known a way to make use of it. I know of chaos theory that suggests it may be possible one way or another, but as far as I know its just theory without real proof. BA i dont know exactly what you have, but your focus really needs to be on bet selection accuracy. In a nutshell, can you explain why you method of bet selection changes the odds? Or did you not want to disclose this?
ps about the capital letters, its not necesarry to get seen. We all see it just fine.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Jul 24, 05:46 AM 2016the only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number.
Isnt that the only thing here that would make a difference? Improve the accuracy of your bet selection, and you arent saying what that is.
There are a lot of assumptions here.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 27, 08:03 AM 2016
The question is does your method of bet selection change the odds, to be better than 1 in 37. If yes, then it wins long term. If not, then the opposite.
The law of a third does sound interesting at first, but Ive never known a way to make use of it. I know of chaos theory that suggests it may be possible one way or another, but as far as I know its just theory without real proof. BA i dont know exactly what you have, but your focus really needs to be on bet selection accuracy. In a nutshell, can you explain why you method of bet selection changes the odds? Or did you not want to disclose this?
ps about the capital letters, its not necesarry to get seen. We all see it just fine.
It's like I've shown you a nice big house but didn't give you the keys...I'd like to keep it this way.
I'm not going to reveal what it does but what it doesn't, so the numbers' selection doesn't depend on "hot" or "cold" numbers.
Dear Steve, we could make a test to validate the accuracy of my method, you could provide a bunch of numbers in portions, then I would provide you my prediction and so on.
My only requests is that those numbers to be from European wheel and not to disclose the steps of the method.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 27, 08:19 AM 2016
Isnt that the only thing here that would make a difference? Improve the accuracy of your bet selection, and you arent saying what that is.
There are a lot of assumptions here.
Nothing can be more clear than the law of thirds, how one could expose it is another thing.
"The only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number."
This happens a few times a year
Expected
Moving on.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 27, 08:52 AM 2016
"The only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number."
This happens a few times a year
Expected
Moving on.
Goodbye
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 27, 08:52 AM 2016
"The only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number."
This happens a few times a year
Expected
Moving on. yeah they'll be a few
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Jul 24, 05:46 AM 2016
Dear readers,
this is a thread which requires your full attention in order to fully comprehend the hidden opportunity.
Let's start with the basic about the Law Of the Third:
In every 37 spins cycle there are 24 numbers which have appeared once or more and 13 sleepers
(numbers which haven't appeared within the last 37 spins)
Those are average numbers and deviations exist, for example I've seen up to 30 different numbers to show up within the 37 last spins and the least were 18 different numbers.
Those extremes are from my experience during gambling sessions and not from simulations.
In order to find the average we should determine the extremes,or in other words the limits, in that case 18 and 30 are the limits.
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 26 26 27 28 29 30 start by discarding the outer numbers from both sides:
First discarding 18 and 30
Second discard 19 and 29
Third discard 20 and 28
Fourth discard 21 and 27
Fifth discard 22 and 26
Sixth discard 23 and 25
And we conclude to 24 which is the average total of the appeared numbers within 37 last spins.
Another way to calculate the average is to add all the totals and then divide the total sum with the total of the averages,for example:
18 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 time
19 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
20 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
21 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
22 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
23 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
24 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 7 times
25 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 6 times
26 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 5 times
27 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 4 times
28 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 3 times
29 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 2 times
30 different numbers within the last 37 spins happened 1 times
[(1 x 18)+(2 x 19)+(3 x 20)+(4 x 21)+(5 x 22)+(6 x 23)+(7 x 24)+(6 x 25)+(5 x 26)+(4 x 27)+(3 x 28)+(2 x 29)+(1 x 30) / 49] =>
[(18+38+60+84+110+138+168+150+130+108+84+58+30) / 49]=>
1176 / 49 = 24
This means that if someone was betting one number for 37 spins, 24 times he/she would have won and 13 times he/she would have lost.
To calculate the total sum of lost bets is easy:
13 times multiplied by 37 (1 x 37) equals minus 481 units.
In order to find the total amount of won bets, we should again calculate the averages as we did above,let's see:
We start from the middle numbers within a 37 spin cycle and add 2 more numbers from both sides till we have a total of 24.
18th and 19th spins
17th and 20th spins
16th and 21st spins
15th and 22nd spins
14th and 23rd spins
13th and 24th spins
12th and 25th spins
11th and 26th spins
10th and 27th spins
9th and 28th spins
8th and 29th spins
7th and 30th spins
So we have 24 wins from different spins, now let's calculate the total amount of net profit.
29+28+27+26+25+24+23+22+21+20+19+18+17+16+15+14+13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6 = 420
But since we would lose 481 - 420 = -61 loss, therefore the definition negative expectation.
Do we agree so far?
Is everything clear?
Let's see how we could turn the negative expectation into positive without changing a thing in terms of probability, in fact with exactly the same results which have lead us to the negative balance above.
The average expectation is to get twice the wins for every loss, with my method you only need approximately 1 positive cycle for every negative cycle, which means that the proportion of 2 to 1 changed to 1 to 1.
Let me explain how this is possible, the only thing which I'm not going to reveal you here is the criteria which I'm using to select the betting number. this is far as i have got,should i really read on as this part you are not going to show?will it end up like having a book with the important page missing
You could pick a random number, or your "lucky" number or anything else you like. Before you start flat betting are you collecting the spins, say looking for a sector of the wheel
I start flat betting 1 number with 1 unit for 36 spins.
When the betting number appears, no matter in which spin, I re-bet the same number plus its neighbour regarding the wheel layout (right or left doesn't matter)
So now I'm flat betting 2 numbers with 1 unit each for the next 18 spins.
When one of the two betting numbers hits within eighteen spins, then I re-bet those two numbers and adding the other wheel neighbour, thus in total three numbers for the next 12 spins, always flat bet 1 unit each.
When one of the three betting numbers comes, I add one more neighbour,this time from the table layout.
So far we have 4 numbers to flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 9 spins.
Let's see if you keep on winning what happens:
5 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 7 spins
6 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 6 spins
7 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 5 spins
8 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
9 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 4 spins
10 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
11 numbers flat bet with 1 unit each for the next 3 spins
Eleven is the maximum numbers you could bet, this may happen if your first number was 17 for example, because 17 has 2 neighbours on the wheel's layout (like every number) and 8 neighbours regarding the table layout 13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21 (yes,the diagonals too).
What if someone is lucky enough and after adding all neighbours one by one continues to win?
In this case you start adding 1 unit each time you win to only 1 of your betting numbers, you should start from your first selection and continue with the same order.
The minimum total of betting numbers are 6, for example 34 has 2 neighbours at the wheel's layout (17,6) and 3 neighbours at the table (31,32,35)
All together with 34 are six numbers.
We have seen how it might proceed if you are lucky and win frequently, this is not so rare because sometimes the croupiers are hitting specific sectors/numbers frequently (more than their probability)
Personally I've reached two times the 6 numbers bet selection after not many trials, of course this is not always the case.
Let's see what happens when we eventually lose, when you lose during 2 numbers bet selection or more, then you just pick another number and start from scratch, which means flat bet 1 number for the next 36 spins.
There is only one exception, if you lose during 1 number bet selection, in that case you pick another number but this time the betting wouldn't be flat, each and every time our number fails to hit we would add some interest by adding 1 unit.
So the bet on our number would be like this:
1st spin 1 unit
2nd spin 2 units
3rd spin 3 units
4th spin 4 units and so on till your number eventually appears or till you have lost for 37 spins in a row.
If you lose for second consecutive time your 37 bet cycle,this means that somewhere ahead are 4 more winning cycles/rounds but you would only need 2 of them in order to overcome the 2 negative ones.
You change again the number and continue with the dynamic progression till your winning cycles/rounds equals your losing ones.
Let's calculate the losing and winning totals by betting with the dynamic progression instead of the flat bet.
Remember that the average expectation is to lose 13 times within 37 cycles/rounds, so the total loss will be:
[13 x (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37)]=>
13 x 703 = -9139 units
Now let's calculate the total amount of profit:
[(7 x 35) - 21] + [(8 x 35) - 28] + [(9 x 35) - 36] +[(10 x 35) - 45] + [(11 x 35) - 55] + [(12 x 35) - 66] + [(13 x 35) - 78] + [(14 x 35) - 91] + [(15 x 35) - 105] + [(16 x 35) - 120] + [(17 x 35) - 136] +[(18 x 35) - 153] + [(19 x 35) - 171] + [(20 x 35) - 190] + [(21 x 35) - 210] + [(22 x 35) - 231] + [(23 x 35) - 253] + [(24 x 35) - 276] + [(25 x 35) - 300] + [(26 x 35) - 325] + [(27 x 35) - 351] + [(28 x 35) - 378] + [(29 x 35) - 406] + [(30 x 35) - 435] =>
(245 - 21) + (280 - 28) + (315 - 36) + (350 - 45) + (385 - 55) + (420 - 66) + (455 - 78) + (490 - 91) + (525 - 105) + (560 - 120) + (595 - 136) + (630 - 153) + (665 - 171) + (700 - 190) + (735 - 210) + (770 - 231) + (805 - 253) + (840 - 276) + (875 - 300) + (910 - 325) + (945 - 351) + (980 - 378) + (1015 - 406) + (1050 - 435) =>
224 + 252 + 279 + 305 + 330 + 354 + 377 + 399 + 420 + 440 + 459 + 477 + 494 + 510 + 525 + 539 + 552 + 564 + 575 + 585 + 594 + 602 + 609 + 615 = +11080
We deduct 9139 from 11080 and we find 1941 net profit, therefore the negative expectation has been turned into positive!
But wait, there are more good news!
Since always the first losing cycle/round costs us 36 units instead of 703, that's why you don't need the exact probability to happen (2 winning cycles for every 1 losing cycle), you need approximately equal winning/losing cycles.
I say approximately because you never know in which spin your number is going to appear, thus the net gain differs.
Let me put it this way,if after 2 losing cycles you have 2 winning ones, then you are in profit and re-start from 1 number flat bet with 1 unit for 36 spins.
But after 3 or more consecutive losing cycles you would need the same amount of winning cycles plus 1 more.
Even in such situation, you can be in the positive with worst results than what probability theory supports.
For example in order to overcome 3 losing rounds, I just need 4 instead of 6 which probability dictates as average.
Of course,the results could also be better than average!:-)
Just remember that in the first phase, while we flat bet, we try to find the possibility to win by frequent repeaters.
We build slowly and safely a net gain and we don't limit the possibility for more profits (sky is the limit!) but we limit the loss.
During any stage of the 1st phase (flat bet) the maximum amount we risk is 36 units or less, if you don't lose during the 1st (1x36) or 2nd stage (2x18) of the first phase, then you would be in the positive.
The longer you keep on winning with the flat bets, the more would be the profit, it's all about what happens first.
Under any circumstance you will know what to do next, I'd recommend a total bankroll of 2000 minimum, 6000 average and 10000 units maximum in order to overcome occasional distribution anomalies.
Angelo A.
@ nottophammer
Just a few observations, usually up to 9 spins
Thanks.
Is it live wheel only, as have plenty of rng numbers
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 27, 10:50 AM 2016
Thanks.
Is it live wheel only, as have plenty of rng numbers
My method cannot be applied to RNG, ALSO i'M ONLY PLAYING eUROPEAN SINGLE ZERO, THUS CANNOT SAY IF IT WORKS ON aMERICAN 00 BECAUSE i'VE NOT TRIED IT THERE.
i bet 7 as its 1st to hit, if it hits i'd bet its odd neighbour, if hit, then bet the other neighbour :question:
1 7 bet #7
2 21
3 29
4 35
5 13
6 24
7 3
8 9
9 23
10 22
11 19
12 11
13 31
14 9
15 7 win bet#7&29 plus 22
16 12
17 23
18 20
19 30
20 11
21 16
22 29 win bet 7,29,28 plus 22
23 11
24 32
25 2
26 3
27 17
28 27
29 23
30 22
31 11
32 35
33 17
34 23 lose
35 1
36 32
37 7
38 26
39 17
40 23
41 32
42 4
43 20
44 36
45 1
46 25
47 0
48 36
49 22
50 6
51 17
52 2
53 12
54 13
55 23
56 12
57 29
58 15
59 35
60 16
Okay
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 27, 11:50 AM 2016
i bet 7 as its 1st to hit, if it hits i'd bet its odd neighbour, if hit, then bet the other neighbour :question:
1 7 bet #7
2 21
3 29
4 35
5 13
6 24
7 3
8 9
9 23
10 22
11 19
12 11
13 31
14 9
15 7 win bet#7&29 plus 22
16 12
17 23
18 20
19 30
20 11
21 16
22 29 win bet 7,29,28 plus 22
23 11
24 32
25 2
26 3
27 17
28 27
29 23
30 22
31 11
32 35
33 17
34 23 lose
35 1
36 32
37 7
38 26
39 17
40 23
41 32
42 4
43 20
44 36
45 1
46 25
47 0
48 36
49 22
50 6
51 17
52 2
53 12
54 13
55 23
56 12
57 29
58 15
59 35
60 16
Okay
No, you got it wrong.
Imagine that you have 1 list of 37 numbers, now place by the first list a second one with 37 numbers again.
Each time a number comes mark it on the first list, the same number represents something different on the second list, therefore mark another number there.
How many times do you think it takes in order to have a match between the 2 lists??
If for 1 list of 37 elements the repeat takes x number of spins, with 2 lists takes x / 2 and with 3 lists x / 3.
Just a few hints for your perusal.
Another system that relies on an up as you lose progreesion. How original. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 27, 12:10 PM 2016
Another system that relies on an up as you lose progreesion. How original. ::)
Thanks for your kind words, that's very original coming from you!
I like your signature, it's true that if we were certain about his existence, then we would be also certain about the existence of the opposite...
Quote from: Turner on Jul 27, 08:19 AM 2016
Isnt that the only thing here that would make a difference? Improve the accuracy of your bet selection, and you arent saying what that is.
There are a lot of assumptions here.
Probability theory uses the same assumptions to conclude that if you flat bet 37 times you are going to lose 1 unit.
If this does make sense, then what I'm proving here makes sense too.
And no, it doesn't has to do with prediction accuracy, it has to do with what "law of thirds" suggests as average expectation.
If you have a method which predicts with accuracy more than average, then with my way you would win even more.
I've showed you how you could turn a negative expectation into a positive with just average results.
Variance is a coin with 2 sides, could make things worse than average, also could make things better than average, that's why in long term doesn't affect average probability.
Sorry...and no personal attack intended but I can only go on what you typed
What you are saying sounds like waffle. I think you need to pitch your blarney to a lesser educated audience
Ok it seems that you have misunderstood and you are bit confused, that's why I'm going to give a few examples.
If we apply "law of third" from numbers to other bet sections it would still be valid.
It's not about 24 unique to 13 sleepers/repeaters, it's about dividing in three parts, therefore all multiples of three are divisions emerging out from the same theory.
First example, let's pick a line, probability theory says that on average will show 6 times out of 36, "law of thirds" says that the same line will hit 4 times out of 36 on average.
Why "law of thirds" suggests 4 instead of 6 hits within the same timeframe?
A line contains 6 numbers, the 2/3 of 6 is 4, in other words 4 of those 6 numbers are going to show up within 37 spins.
How can we use this knowledge?
Remember the D'Alembert progression?
Let's see what happens if we are using it on any line we pick;
L L L L L L 1st set of 6: 6 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6 = -21 units
W NB NB NB NB NB 2nd set of 6: 1 win out of 6 results 6 - 1 = +5 units
L L L L L W 3rd set of 6: 1 win out of 6 results 36 - 21 = +15 units
L L W NB NB NB 4th set of 6: 1 win out of 6 results 18 - 6 = +12 units
L L L W NB NB 5th set of 6: 1 win out of 6 results 24 - 10 = +14 units
L L L L L L 6th set of 6: 6 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6 = -21 units
Let's accumulate wins and losses: (5+15+12+14) - (2 x 21) = 46 - 42 = +4 net
That happened with 4 wins out of 36 results, I could give you many more sets of 6 results with overall positive outcome.
When wins happen on first bet the net is 5, when happen on second bet the net is 9, when happen on third bet the net is 12, when happen on fourth bet the net is 14, when happen on fifth bet the net is 15, when happen on sixth bet the net is 15.
A lost mini cycle of 6 results always costs 21 units.
As long as there are 4 wins or more out of 36 results we would always have an overall profit.
Do you think only lines can accommodate such positive expectation?
How about the corners, the streets and the splits??
A corner should show once within 9 results regarding probability theory, according "law of thirds" should appear 8 times within 108 results.
4 out of 36 results is quite optimistic for probability theory, but since for cannot result in whole number after dividing it by 3, we take 3 cycles (3 x 36) of 108 results and from these 12 hit regarding probability we deduct 1/3, thus the remaining will be 8.
Let's have an example;
L L L L W NB NB NB NB 1st set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 45 - 15 = +30 units
L L L L L L L L L 2nd set of 9: 9 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = -45 units
L L L W NB NB NB NB NB 3rd set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 36 - 10 = +26 units
L L L L L L L L L 4th set of 9: 9 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = -45 units
W NB NB NB NB NB NB NB NB 5th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 9 - 1 = +8 units
L L L L L L L L W 6th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 81 - 45 = +36 units
L L L L L L L L L 7th set of 9: 9 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = -45 units
L W NB NB NB NB NB NB NB 8th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 18 - 3 = +15 units
L L L L L L L W NB 9th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 72 - 36 = +36 units
L L L L L L L L L 10th set of 9: 9 losses cost 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = -45 units
L L W NB NB NB NB NB NB 11th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 27 - 6 = +21 units
L L L L L W NB NB NB 12th set of 9: 1 win out of 9 results 54 - 21 = +33 units
Let's accumulate wins and losses: (30+26+8+36+15+36+21+33) - (4 x 45) = 205 - 180 = +25 net
That happened with 8 wins out of 108 results, I could give you many more sets of 9 results with overall positive outcome.
When wins happen on first bet the net is 8, when happen on second bet the net is 15, when happen on third bet the net is 21, when happen on fourth bet the net is 26, when happen on fifth bet the net is 30, when happen on sixth bet the net is 33, when happen on seventh bet the net is 35, when happen on eight bet the net is 36, when happen on nineth bet the net is 36.
A lost mini cycle of 9 results always costs 45 units.
As long as there are 8 wins or more out of 108 results we would always have an overall profit.
You could figure out what happens with the average expectation of the streets and splits...!:-)
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 06, 12:09 PM 2016First example, let's pick a line, probability theory says that on average will show 6 times out of 36, "law of thirds" says that the same line will hit 4 times out of 36 on average.
How so? It says nothing.....just shows after the event
Law of the 3rd says in 6 spins....on average...4 lines will show and 2 won't.
But LOT dilutes with grouped bets like splits and lines etc
It works best with straight numbers and worsens as the no. Gets smaller. Lines are too small at 6
Lott isn't a roulette thing. It's normal distribution of numbers
It's a hindsight thing. Can't be used to predict future spins
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 06, 12:09 PM 2016Ok it seems that you have misunderstood and you are bit confused
Don't think so
QuoteLaw of the 3rd says in 6 spins....on average...4 lines will show and 2 won't.
Whether you say 4 out of 6 lines within 6 spins or 1 line 4 times within 36 spins it's the same thing.
If you deny that's the same it's like you are claiming that if you bet 36 times in 36 different days is different than betting 36 times continuously.
Simple as that and that's a fact.
You look at it how you like, and Im not here to stop you.
Just remember your audience arnt newbies.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 06, 05:03 PM 2016
You look at it how you like, and Im not here to stop you.
Just remember your audience arnt newbies.
I'm well aware of it, nor do I have any intention of deception.
Why would I wanted such a thing? To take your money? 8)
Any casino has more than all of your combined accounts, that's my target.
If even 1 person could be benefited in one way or the other from what I'm writing here, that person wouldn't degrade in the slightest my own well being but it could give me some sense of fulfilment by knowing that I've helped someone who I don't know but I could be in his/her shoes.
Just try look beyond the obvious and beyond yourselves because there are many more than what eyes can see...!
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 06, 05:21 PM 2016Just try look beyond the obvious and beyond yourselves because there are many more than what eyes can see...!
Thanks, but I dont need cognitive therapy lol
Quote from: Turner on Aug 06, 05:45 PM 2016
Thanks, but I dont need cognitive therapy lol
But turner, the thread title is in all caps.
QuoteRe: POSITIVE EXPECTATION ON ROULETTE CAN BE PROVED MATHEMATICALLY!
Ok, soooooo where's the proof? Show me the math.
Quote from: The General on Aug 06, 10:44 PM 2016
Ok, soooooo where's the proof? Show me the math.
Shhhy. Shhh. Shhhhhhhhhh
Quote from: The General on Aug 06, 10:44 PM 2016
Ok, soooooo where's the proof? Show me the math.
First things first...show me the money!
You want proof? You cannot handle the proof!
The real proof is what I'm doing everyday, not the theories and the empty words.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone.
You'd better start compromising with the idea that there are more than one way to look into something...
QuoteFirst things first...show me the money!
Another one of your scams. ::)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 06, 11:40 PM 2016
Shhhy. Shhh. Shhhhhhhhhh
...and the holy ghost of roulette!
Sssss like silence is gold, perhaps one day you'd realize it.
Don't speak just for saying something, less words could be more effective than many.
Blue,
Why did you start the thread if you have no intention of providing proof?
Let me guess, it's so you can bait and scam more people. ::)
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 07, 12:38 AM 2016
...and the holy ghost of roulette!
Sssss like silence is gold, perhaps one day you'd realize it.
Don't speak just for saying something, less words could be more effective than many.
You are insane.
what math is that...if ancient greeks had that kind of math we would have beeen still knocking stones to light a fire...what people eh :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Quote from: The General on Aug 07, 12:49 AM 2016
Blue,
Why did you start the thread if you have no intention of providing proof?
Let me guess, it's so you can bait and scam more people. ::)
You would find the answer you are looking for if you were paying attention, but you care mostly about criticism without comprehending the idea behind a method.
Quote from: maestro on Aug 07, 07:22 AM 2016
what math is that...if ancient greeks had that kind of math we would have beeen still knocking stones to light a fire...what people eh :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
I prefer to be 1000 times wrong rather than copying other people's mistakes, at least it's mine and not a cheap imitation which I pretend to be mine.
Just don't bother if you don't like it. 8)
Quote from: The General on Aug 07, 12:49 AM 2016Why did you start the thread if you have no intention of providing proof?
Is that why you dont start threads?
Quote from: Turner on Aug 07, 01:16 PM 2016
Is that why you dont start threads?
Are you talking to me?
I've initiated several threads already, if not starting a new each and every is your definition of not starting threads, then I prefer to keep it that way.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 07, 01:38 PM 2016
Are you talking to me?
I've initiated several threads already, if not starting a new each and every is your definition of not starting threads, then I prefer to keep it that way.
Calm down....look at the name above the quote.
Why would I quote Caleb, and be talking to you?
By the way...you sounded like De Niro...."you talkin to me?"
QuoteRe: POSITIVE EXPECTATION ON ROULETTE CAN BE PROVED MATHEMATICALLY!-Blue Angel
QuoteFirst things first...show me the money!-Blue Angel
Blue,
Why did you start this absurd thread only to recycle the law of the third/gut garbage?
You state that it can provide a positive expectation, so where's the proof? (Or is this just another one of your scams where people have to send you money via email in order to learn the,
cough cough secrets?
Turner,
Why do you allow such scams on this forum? No offense, but as a moderator you really kind of suck. I don't know if it's because your also gullible and naive, or if it's because you just don't care. Either way, are you really aren't up for the job. ::)
Quote from: The General on Aug 07, 02:29 PM 2016No offense, but as a moderator you really kind of suck. I don't know if it's because your also gullible and naive, or if it's because you just don't care. Either way, are you really aren't up for the job.
Its not a job. I dont get paid.
No rules broke by Angel here. Thats my job as a mod. See if any rules have been broken.
One rule here is "No personal attacks".
You just personally attacked me and I take offence, so you are on moderation.
Your posts need approving.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 07, 02:46 PM 2016
Its not a job. I dont get paid.
No rules broke by Angel here. Thats my job as a mod. See if any rules have been broken.
One rule here is "No personal attacks".
You just personally attacked me and I take offence, so you are on moderation.
Your posts need approving.
:twisted:
I think that the generals idea of a good moderator is preventing free speech and only allowing what he agrees with to be posted
The general isn't fit to even post here
Theres an AP forum somewhere
Thank god hes posting less
QuoteBy the way...you sounded like De Niro...."you talkin to me?"
Yeah...one of my favorite actors. 8)
Sorry, didn't notice the username above quotes.
I need to express my opinion, perhaps not correct, perhaps not popular, but if I'm insulting nobody what's wrong with it??
When I said "show me the money!" I was joking, I've realized that some persons cannot understand a joke even when it falls on their head!
There are many of you who consider a roughly 50/50 chance bet as a holy grail, I've never understood why this is "holy grail" or even close to it.
It's like saying wait approximately 24 spins and bet the "red" or the "black", it's very hard for me to see where is the advantage of such bet!
Let's say I've 18 sleepers and bet them once, on average 6 of them will come, BUT these 6 (or more if 1 or more of them repeats) are within next 13 spins, not a specific spin.
In other words you are aiming for approximately 6 wins out of 13 bets on 18 numbers.
And this is the average expectation, far from grail in my opinion!
Then you start all over again the same thing with the same probability, or continue for the next even chance bet of these numbers which appeared once with those which appeared twice and so on...
Could anyone explain what this has to do with "holy grail" of gambling?!
Perhaps you disagree, you don't like my opinion, but this is how I see it.
What it's
strange is the popularity, otherwise it would be just another way to bet a roughly even chance selection.
I admire those who dare to be different, those who dare to think different.
It's because out of such individuals the real pioneers are being borned, intuitive improvisation is the source of the evolution and progress.
The world doesn't need more "parrots" & "monkeys", but more out of the box thinkers.
Closer to my ideal are the examples of Ken and Richard Farrow.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 07, 02:46 PM 2016
One rule here is "No personal attacks".
I really wish this RULE was more clear. Is it how the mods (or Steve) VIEW IT AS? So if I'm called "Kenny Bear", is that a personal attack? If not, why? If not, then its okay if I call someone else..... "Falkor Bear"? (sorry Falkor, I needed an example).
What if a member is threatened with PHYSICAL HARM? I assume posts would then need approval, that only makes sense? Are SOME foul names okay while other foul names are not? etc.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 11:54 AM 2016
I really wish this RULE was more clear. Is it how the mods (or Steve) VIEW IT AS? So if I'm called "Kenny Bear", is that a personal attack? If not, why? If not, then its okay if I call someone else..... "Falkor Bear"? (sorry Falkor, I needed an example).
What if a member is threatened with PHYSICAL HARM? I assume posts would then need approval, that only makes sense? Are SOME foul names okay while other foul names are not? etc.
Ken
The generals been askin for it
He pokes at turner often. Calling him a bad mod and that he cant do his job
He was askin for it if ya ask me
Sometimes the general just needs to keep his mouth shut
Hes been restricted on several forums
He just doesnt understand hobbyists dont care what hes preaching and he just disrupts forums
Turner is easy on him. Betselection gave him the boot up the ass
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 11:59 AM 2016
The generals been askin for it
He pokes at turner often. Calling him a bad mod and that he cant do his job
He was askin for it if ya ask me
Sometimes the general just needs to keep his mouth shut
Hes been restricted on several forums
He just doesnt understand hobbyists dont care what hes preaching and he just disrupts forums
Turner is easy on him. Betselection gave him the boot up the ass
Neat post but....
A) I wasn't asking you.
B) These QUESTIONS pertain to *ANY* member and my curiosity has little to do with General sir. I'm looking more at the CONSISTENCY.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 11:54 AM 2016
I really wish this RULE was more clear. Is it how the mods (or Steve) VIEW IT AS? So if I'm called "Kenny Bear", is that a personal attack? If not, why? If not, then its okay if I call someone else..... "Falkor Bear"? (sorry Falkor, I needed an example).
What if a member is threatened with PHYSICAL HARM? I assume posts would then need approval, that only makes sense? Are SOME foul names okay while other foul names are not? etc.
Ken
Probably depending on the situation. Maybe the person Kenny bear was a complete jurk before and had it coming? Just thinking out loud. Maybe that same person started a personal vendetta on other forums ? Who knows. Maybe that person has no idea what he actually says or how he behaved and then is surprised by what's coming to him. No idea though. Can be many things. But surely a person that get banned or need post approval etc...won't care to much and surely not gonna keep whining on and on and on and on .... like the duracel bunny ;D
Kenny bear is cute though :love:
you can call someone "bear" but "poopsie" is off limits and crosses the line!
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 09, 12:35 PM 2016
you can call someone "bear" but "poopsie" is off limits and crosses the line!
What is a "poopsie"? A mix of poops and pussy??
Quote from: denzie on Aug 09, 12:28 PM 2016
Probably depending on the situation. Maybe the person Kenny bear was a complete jurk before and had it coming? Just thinking out loud. Maybe that same person started a personal vendetta on other forums ? Who knows. Maybe that person has no idea what he actually says or how he behaved and then is surprised by what's coming to him. No idea though. Can be many things. But surely a person that get banned or need post approval etc...won't care to much and surely not gonna keep whining on and on and on and on .... like the duracel bunny ;D
Kenny bear is cute though :love:
Nope, simply looking for CONSISTENCY. We'll see if I get answers to my questions. My guess, no.
"Probably depending on the situation" >> Who defines this? So in other words...in one situation, a person can be called a dumb piece of s**t (its ok) and then maybe 24 hours later, a different member is called a dumb piece of s**t and that would NOT be ok. Do you mean like that?
"Maybe the person Kenny bear was a complete jurk before and had it coming?" >> So, lets examine this. Again, WHO defines this? If a person "had it coming" (and whose definition are we using?) then its OK to ATTACK them, correct? So, hey Bob, you are a stupid fu***n co*k suckin little bi**h. This is alright because after all, he "had it coming" to him, correct? Your words Denzie not mine.
"Maybe that same person started a personal vendetta on other forums?" >> Steve has already posted his thoughts on that. Anything that happens on OTHER boards is out of bounds. Meaning, tough s**t. What happens at OTHER boards (not affiliated with Steve) has zero effect HERE but if that rule does get CHANGED, I'm cool with that as long as everything stays CONSISTENT.
Ken
I'm not done....I see through the talking in the third person act from Denzie directed to ME but not using my name. I repeat, I am OKAY with it as long as, when I do it BACK (and I will), then its okay to do so. That would NOT be labeled as "bickering" (cough) or attacking, correct?
Why? Because the *FIRST* person doing it should of been punished prior to it going any further.
Ken
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 01:00 PM 2016
What is a "poopsie"? A mix of poops and pussy??
:ooh:
Sure thing Ken :thumbsup:
I'll leave you to it ... enjoy :-X
And on and on and on and on ........
Quote from: denzie on Aug 09, 02:46 PM 2016
Sure thing Ken :thumbsup:
I'll leave you to it ... enjoy :-X
And on and on and on and on ........
Simple questions from Ken. :thumbsup: No arguing on my part, no causing s**t, just questions :embarrassed: but relax, I'm sure this :girl_to: will go no where anyways. (call it a hunch). :xd: If things dont get answered but my POINT somewhat gets across, I'll take it. :yawn:
Ken
Ken
Don't you think all this is going a bit too far
You been around a long time
Have you graduated to the next level? Where if you stay on a strategy forum its nothing but arguing because you are now past all this? Onto the next level for you? No strategy just playing the way you do so no reason to be here?
Beginners will come. Newbies will come. Hobbysists will come
Coexist or move on?
Enough of all this
You must accept the newbies and accept that people create methods or this forum will not be a walk in the park for you
Goes for general. Goes for TG. I like TG!
Listen Ken....I don't ban....people can still post.....it just needs approval
There are 5 mods including Steve. They can all delete on calebs command if they want but I wont
Caleb probably didn't like my question and didn't have a reply so ...as he does...He gets out the big guns.
We are all grown men...allegedly...and we bicker and mud gets thrown
Some of its deserved and some is amusing but some it a measured attack
Caleb is funny at times and hard to beat in a head to head because he knows what buttons to press. Quite unique in a man as Its generally a woman's attribute.
But I'm not having that said about me or mods. I havnt killed him. He can still post
Quote from: Turner on Aug 09, 03:17 PM 2016
Caleb probably didn't like my question and didn't have a reply so ...as he does...He gets out the big guns.
I know you and others dont like when i chime in
But......
That is exactly what happened
You had a clever/cunning question in response to what he said. It struck a nerve so he attacked you
You have that way about you with the quick little jabs and caleb hates that. So he says you do a bad job.
Usually when he cannot outwit you he says that bit
I applaud you
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 03:24 PM 2016
I know you and others dont like when i chime in
Chime away. I like the post....especially the applaud lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 03:14 PM 2016
Ken
Don't you think all this is going a bit too far
You been around a long time
Have you graduated to the next level? Where if you stay on a strategy forum its nothing but arguing because you are now past all this? Onto the next level for you? No strategy just playing the way you do so no reason to be here?
Beginners will come. Newbies will come. Hobbysists will come
Coexist or move on?
Enough of all this
You must accept the newbies and accept that people create methods or this forum will not be a walk in the park for you
Goes for general. Goes for TG. I like TG!
(lol) I keep repeating myself. Lets STICK to my questions from my last few posts. I'm not talking about General, TG or newbies etc.
Dont say what questions Ken? They are there for the reading, mainly for Turner/Steve.
These GOOFY non-consistent concepts of "attacking". Did General deserve his post approval punishment? Yes but.........(fill in the blanks, its real easy)
Ken
Quote from: Turner on Aug 09, 03:17 PM 2016
Some of its deserved and some is amusing but some it a measured attack
spot on
Caleb is funny at times and hard to beat in a head to head because he knows what buttons to press. Quite unique in a man as Its generally a woman's attribute.
very subtle >:D
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 03:14 PM 2016
Have you graduated to the next level?
I like TG!
For starters, that bridge with TG has burned, trust me on that. Push someone out, thats what happens.
Graduated? I have asked ya'll this in the past....find me a method thread from another member where I am deeply involved. Super excited, lots of questions, posting results from testing etc. etc.
If you cant find one, why not? There has to be a reason. Graduated? Hell yes and with a 4.0
I might add.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 03:48 PM 2016
For starters, that bridge with TG has burned, trust me on that. Push someone out, thats what happens.
Graduated? I have asked ya'll this in the past....find me a method thread from another member where I am deeply involved. Super excited, lots of questions, posting results from testing etc. etc.
If you cant find one, why not? There has to be a reason. Graduated? Hell yes and with a 4.0
I might add.
Ken
Thats ashame. I liked TG
Pushed out? Well thats better then staying and arguing i guess
Hes a good man
You have graduated with a 4.0
Great. So you have graduated past the forums
Join the WOV elite
As for me, a hobbyist i just want to play roulette. I want to play recreationally. With money i can afford to lose. I want to create ways to play without being called "a "goof" who is 6 years behind" . i want to talk with LIKE MINDED people as do most. What you have been doing, what the general does, not productive. Its stupid.
Your current signature says it all
@RG >> Serious question, No joking, no bulls**t !!!!!
If a person who knows more than you (not saying me, not saying its not me), politely tells you, such-n-such idea won't work, do you consider that "helping"? YES or NO?
Ken
Ok now we will have a "fair" "consistant" forum ----whatever that is
this place is too funny
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 03:59 PM 2016
Your current signature says it all
I always had a big dog. They are the best pets. :love: Mostly owned by Men . Hmmm I just know a new name for when I finally would have time to have one again.
(This is amusing btw)
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:07 PM 2016
@RG >> Serious question, No joking, no bulls**t !!!!!
If a person who knows more than you (not saying me, not saying its not me), politely tells you, such-n-such idea won't work, do you consider that "helping"? YES or NO?
Ken
That depends
Are you telling a hobbyist who has fun playing and creating systems
Or are you telling someone who is trying to make a living
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 04:12 PM 2016
That depends
Are you telling a hobbyist who has fun playing and creating systems
Or are you telling someone who is trying to make a living
I'll go on the lower end. A hobbyist is politely being told. Do you consider that info, as being helpful?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:14 PM 2016
I'll go on the lower end. A hobbyist is politely being told. Do you consider that info, as being helpful?
Ken
No. Because telling me something won't work is moot
I was told grassroots won't work yet ive won more then lost
The word "work" is relative
Maybe luck was on my side..
Everyone's definition of a working strategy is different
QuoteI like TG!
What's TG ? TransGender ??
By the way, what's GF experience? GirlFriend experience??
Thanks for answering RG, you are in the minority for answering questions. This question is for anyone and probably deserves its own Kenny's kick a** thread (lol) ........
You are doing your testing over 10 million spins. RX or whatever its called these days (lol).
It finishes at +4 units. Is that a winning system?
Ken
QuoteGraduated? Hell yes and with a 4.0
4 out of 10? Perhaps good for your standards.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:23 PM 2016
What's TG ? TransGender ??
By the way, what's GF experience? GirlFriend experience??
Turbo genius
A wise guy like myself
He liked my food blog. One of the few.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:26 PM 2016
4 out of 10? Perhaps good for your standards.
Hmmm, kind of on the border for a personal attack, no? We'll let that one slide.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 04:26 PM 2016
Turbo genius
A wise guy like myself
He liked my food blog. One of the few.
I never commented but I really liked your food blog. No lie, I was very impressed.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:23 PM 2016
Thanks for answering RG, you are in the minority for answering questions. This question is for anyone and probably deserves its own Kenny's kick a** thread (lol) ........
You are doing your testing over 10 million spins. RX or whatever its called these days (lol).
It finishes at +4 units. Is that a winning system?
Ken
My cool question was left on the other page.
Ken
QuoteI always had a big dog. They are the best pets. :love:
Have you tried snakes?
QuoteMostly owned by Men .
Mostly?
I wonder what are you implying here!
QuoteYou are doing your testing over 10 million spins. RX or whatever its called these days (lol).
It finishes at +4 units. Is that a winning system?
Ken
It's waste of time in my opinion.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:34 PM 2016
It's waste of time in my opinion.
Its pretend, can you just play along? A winner or not?
Ken
Dont know if you guys ever got Sumo on the TV
We went big on it about 20 years ago. Nothing now.
Before they fought, they would psych each other out, postulating and slapping their thighs. A bit of salt throwing too for effect.
Its all in the rules. Bit aggressive, but in the rules.
All this reminds me of it. :o
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:35 PM 2016
Its pretend, can you just play along? A winner or not?
Ken
A winner of 4 units out of 1,000,000 results is a drop in the ocean of my expenses.
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:31 PM 2016
I never commented but I really liked your food blog. No lie, I was very impressed.
Ken
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:38 PM 2016
A winner of 4 units out of 1,000,000 results is a drop in the ocean of my expenses.
You remind me of a politician. So thats a NO? I cant tell.
Ken
(link:://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/4961/4961,1291677696,1/stock-photo-tokyo-november-sumo-wrestler-ceremonially-throwing-salt-into-the-arena-on-november-66683710.jpg)
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Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:47 PM 2016
You remind me of a politician. So thats a NO? I cant tell.
Ken
Take it as you like.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:49 PM 2016
Take it as you like.
So I have one answer so far and its in the middle of yes and no, neat.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 09, 04:49 PM 2016
(link:://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/4961/4961,1291677696,1/stock-photo-tokyo-november-sumo-wrestler-ceremonially-throwing-salt-into-the-arena-on-november-66683710.jpg)
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Perhaps those sumo wrestlers were visiting your food blog on regular basis...and then needed to recharge by some battering activities...! :twisted:
Turner said salt throwing sumo and i tried hard to find a gif
Alas, only a picture.
Off to the casino, later.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:55 PM 2016
Off to the casino, later.
Ken
Have fun
I will be home eating ice cream and working on CURVE FITTING a steep progression AND I MEAN steep, for a 30 number bet, oh, 31, PLUS THE ZERO
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Aug 09, 04:32 PM 2016
Have you tried snakes?
HeLL no. >:D
I read on the lad bible few weeks ago a story...a girl always slept naked with her boa. Then the snake was losing weight and refused to eat. Toke it to the vet.....diagnose : it's a common issue . The snake is getting ready for a huge meal >:D
Not a fan unless it's on my bbq
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 09, 04:23 PM 2016
You are doing your testing over 10 million spins. RX or whatever its called these days (lol).
It finishes at +4 units. Is that a winning system?
Ken
Yes.it beats 99% of all systems / strategies ever made. Will I use it ? Naaaaah. Will I try to improve it ? Yep
Quote from: denzie on Aug 09, 11:31 PM 2016
HeLL no. >:D
I read on the lad bible few weeks ago a story...a girl always slept naked with her boa. Then the snake was losing weight and refused to eat. Toke it to the vet.....diagnose : it's a common issue . The snake is getting ready for a huge meal >:D
Not a fan unless it's on my bbq
I always wondering where is the ass-hole of snakes, where do their craps?
Where do they pee?
As pet, what do you feed it??
Human baits?!
Quote from: denzie on Aug 09, 11:37 PM 2016
Yes.it beats 99% of all systems / strategies ever made. Will I use it ? Naaaaah. Will I try to improve it ? Yep
Thank you sir for an answer, very cool. I dont agree with it but thanks for posting.
Ken
Could you give your answer on that question? Always good to know what you think
Quote from: denzie on Aug 10, 12:15 AM 2016
Could you give your answer on that question? Always good to know what you think
The TIME put into it has to part of the equation. I should of lowered it to something more "life like". (lol) At $15 units and you are up 4 units after 10K spins. I again call this not a winner based off of other casino factors. I wont count drive time, we'll say you live 5 minutes away.
What one person calls a winner, another says no, its WHY I ask this stuff. Not to argue but I can LEARN A TON regarding members here based on their answers to certain questions. A profiler if you will.
Ken