I admit I'm no expert when it comes to advantage play. I assume it involves alot of tracking beforehand to find a bias wheel. Since true bias cannot be found in a couple hundred spins, I assume it takes tracking thousands or even tens thousand spins just in hope to find a bias enough to overcome the house edge.
But wouldn't such a strong bias also be discovered by the casino. Every casino I've played tracks all numbers hit. A simple wheel adjustment or change out would be all it takes to ruin days of tracking. Or something as simple as changing the ball could also affect it.
Guess I'm just curious as to how some one would play this method in a practical way. In theory it sounds good. Alot like card counting in roulette, but now with constant shuffles and 6 deck shoes it seems impractical.
I am more concerned with what the wheel has hit in the last 20 spins. Maybe winning is due to variance, maybe bias...I don't know.
Since advantage players seem to disregard systems so much, I'm curious as to how you play this game.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016Since true bias cannot be found in a couple hundred spins, I assume it takes tracking thousands or even tens thousand spins just in hope to find a bias enough to overcome the house edge.
No practical amount of spins is 100% proof of bias. More spins simply means more assured. When you combine what you see and hear at a wheel, you can assess bias in far fewer spins. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-wheel-bias/
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016But wouldn't such a strong bias also be discovered by the casino.
The bias analysis software checks for bias over thousands of spins, and does not properly segregate data. So an experienced player, with the right techniques, can find a bias before the casino. You'd think the casinos would be one step ahead of players. Actually its the other way around. Players spend far more time finding secrets of the game than wheel designers and casino staff.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016Alot like card counting in roulette, but now with constant shuffles and 6 deck shoes it seems impractical.
It's only a matter of time before equipment to see through cards becomes common. But card counting is mostly a thing of the past, except in some areas.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 04, 05:17 PM 2016Since advantage players seem to disregard systems so much
It's not "systems" we disregard. It's the principles that are so well known to fail, with a knowledge of WHY they fail. Like thinking the sequence 1,1,1,1,1 will happen any less than any other sequence.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 04, 07:03 PM 2016It's only a matter of time before equipment to see through cards becomes common.
Any sources on that? Without any testings on precognition and at what degree it can work. Sounds crazy! That could be a huge upset for many games. from blackjack to poker etc. I guess casions coud find some ways to cover protect the cards/sleeves as well?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 04, 08:29 PM 2016Any sources on that?
Me. I have equipment that does it without needing a radiation source from beneath the table or behind the card. But it is not perfect. I can at least see it works.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 04, 08:29 PM 2016Without any testings on precognition and at what degree it can work.
It has been tested. But because it all needs to be done manually, testing statistically significant amount of spins is impractical. I've done my own testing with groups of players with good results, but I havent had time to do further testing. Still it has more merit than RRRRRB.
Why does it sound crazy? The science is there.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 04, 08:29 PM 2016I guess casions coud find some ways to cover protect the cards/sleeves as well?
Yes it would be easy for casinos to deal with if cards are being seen through. But stopping precognition is a very different thing for them.
Searching for bias is waste of time, try to find a working system or method instead of bias wheel it will save you time and money.
I wouldnt say its a waste of time. Some of my players still find biased wheels and do pretty well. But it's much harder work than other approaches.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Sep 05, 08:43 AM 2016
it will save you time and money.
Will also save you from traveling your entire life casino to casino
Rg yes you can waste a lot of time with no results. Its like that with any AP, although more so with bias.
But when you find the right conditions, you can earn a lifetime of income and set yourself up for life. Compared to 9-5 jobs, even bias is the better option. Not that bias is so great. More that 9-5 is on the same level as slavery.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 06, 05:22 AM 2016
Rg yes you can waste a lot of time with no results. Its like that with any AP, although more so with bias.
But when you find the right conditions, you can earn a lifetime of income and set yourself up for life. Compared to 9-5 jobs, even bias is the better option. Not that bias is so great. More that 9-5 is on the same level as slavery.
Is it easy to be playing what you think is a bias wheel and you had actually seen some maths bias and are just playing with no edge..in fact...negative HE?
The reason you do proper analysis is to minimize the risk. The player needs to disassociate from the time it takes and look at the math. Ie thinking long term.
Also if you know what to look and listen for, it gives additional validation of bias.
There is never no risk. Even the casino can lose in the short term.
So there is an ellement of luck (yes...these are loaded questions)
Theres an element of chance with everything in life. Every investment or decision. Even a casino can have a losing day. But proper application of any technique, in the long term, will be profitable. When you have a real edge, profit is a matter of time.
@Steve
Just thinking...as I read a book on quantum theory on holiday....I come up with an idea based on action at distance
I see the last number and count back that amount and pick that and the next 2
Lol....its worked a treat
You say it will lose because of the negative expectancy of the game
.....because it flies in the face of proven maths. The truth there of.
So why do you believe in pre cognition in roulette?....even though I could "caleb" you for years every time you posted about it because it flies in the face of maths and reality.
I've been somewhat interested in the precognition aspect myself. This would be an interesting topic on its own. There have been several long term experiments that do seem to suggest precognition is a real thing. However, being able to replicate these experiments and get the same results have always been the big problem in science.
As weird as quantum physics is, I wouldn't rule it out. Even from a biological view, precognition would definitely be an advantage when it comes to evolution.
Now, if we can just figure out how to use that "gut feeling" to over come the house edge in roulette
Watch bashar on youtube
Im not saying he is who he says he is. He could be crazy. But the message is great
Create your own reality
Anything you can imagine already exists
Remote viewing
Shift to a reality where your number hits
Its crazy talk. But......
Quote from: Turner on Sep 06, 10:45 AM 2016I see the last number and count back that amount and pick that and the next 2
Lol....its worked a treat
The amount of times I had clear in mind mind where the ball would land, and it actually landed there, is not something I put down to luck. There are some strange things that happen that occur often enough to be significant, and realistically I dont think it's just in my head.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 06, 10:45 AM 2016even though I could "caleb" you for years every time you posted about it because it flies in the face of maths and reality.
Go ahead and "caleb" me. I'll "steve" you back.
I believe in precognition because:
1. Personal experience. I've seen enough to see there's something in it.
2. The science IS there. People wouldnt have believed in radio waves before equipment to detect them. Invisible doesn't mean absent. It's a guess how it all works, but I believe because everything is connected, "sensing" what is going to happen can be done kind of like sensing a "wave" in the ocean. Imagine being on a raft. By sensing the ups and downs, you could have a reasonable idea of the next wave. Maybe that's a bad example but in a precognition situation, our physical bodies are a manifestation of energy - more like an effect. But anyway to make it simple, there has been enough testing to realistically conclude precignition is feasible.
Consider the following:
a. The study at link:://dbem.ws/FeelingFuture.pdf - There are actually many like it.
b. See link:://global-mind.org - this measures the correlation between global events like terror attacks, and the effect on RNG data.
c. Controlled study on precognition in gambling - I have a report on this but I'd need to scan and publish it. I cant find an online copy. It explains a method where as group of participants predicted casino game outcomes, but the simulated bet was placed only on numbers that had the "majority vote". So there may be 10 participants which each have only marginally better than random accuracy, which is not statistically relevant. But when the majority of participants predicted the same number, that one is bet on with much higher accuracy and statistical significance.
d. I did a similar test with the "majority vote" method with positive results. I mailed my database to get participants, and published on the forums. But I need to do more tests to see what we find. I intend to use the multiplayer game.
There is real science about it. And a lot more of it, so i'm not high or deluded. It shouldnt seem so impossible. There is plenty to suggest it's more than possible. Also consider quantum physics and research how observing an experiment actually changes the outcome. See below:
QuoteNow, if we can just figure out how to use that "gut feeling" to over come the house edge in roulette
My idea is using equipment to measure physiological responses. Basically like an "8 ball" that tells us "yes or no". Yes i mean "gut feeling". We all have it. I believe it's never wrong, but we need to learn to listen to it. The "8" comes from "infinity" and the toroid shape, the most elemental recursive energy pattern. The human energy center, also center of mass. The physical and energetic variations of ourselves reflect each other.
The theory is our subconscious is more aware of things than our conscious mind knows. Our conscious mind actually just gets in the way. ie the more "thought" you have, the less accuracy you have. But with a device to measure physiological responses like a lie detector works, you can probably get higher accuracy with "yes or no" questions. Like for example, if you bet on red and there is a specific response measured, that could mean you need to move your bet.
Whenever you take an action, you will either feel right or uneasy about your decision. That's the subtle feeling we all get. And that's the gut feeling I think is the key. Of course if you trust yourself and your gut, then you dont need a machine to assist.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 06:41 PM 2016Watch bashar on youtube Im not saying he is who he says he is. He could be crazy. But the message is great Create your own reality Anything you can imagine already exists Remote viewing Shift to a reality where your number hits Its crazy talk. But......
I dont think Bashar channels an alien. I think he gets into a meditative state to try and increase consciousness, which means universal knowledge, and he uses the persona of the alien to make things flow better, in his mind. On occasions he has been asked if the alien is real, and he responded its not important, but what is important is if the knowledge works for you.
Personally I think some of what he preaches, while "channeling", is dangerous to minds. for example:
* when he says "switch to another reality", switching to another reality will not make you win the lottery. And when he was asked about the NWO, he said "switch to another reality". Actually switching reality in your own head wont solve the problem. All it will do is change your perception, and this will change your actions, and lead to the solution. So he makes it sound like switching realities is something that's instant and without the need for action.
This reality that we are in is largely influenced by what we "believe". ie if you believe you are dumb, you will behave dumb. In that sense, you make your own reality. It doesnt mean if you believe you are smart that you will automatically be smart. But it would mean you are more likely to fulfill higher potential. If this is what bashar means, then he would be right. Its the exact same principle of "The Secret" (the book etc). We make our own reality. This is true. But it isnt instant. It's the belief and thought that leads to actions that make it reality, rather than just thought.
Having said that, just "willing" the ball to land on your bet wont work, unless telekinesis was used. From what I've seen of that, it is possible but extremely rare. There have been a few credible cases, and many cheats. This also shouldnt be so difficult to believe, because it could and probably be an electrostatic and biological effect. I can bend a water stream with my hand and some science. But to influence a roulette spin outcome, I'm not sure about that. Influencing outcomes is different to predicting them.
PS Turner, regarding my "world views", is it so hard to believe a group of super wealthy people:
a. work together to maintain their wealth and control
b. dont give a crap about us
Actually I'd consider it inevitable. And its what has happened historically since the beginning of history. It will keep happening in a big cycle.
I read a study awhile back where the participants were "wired" up to tract their neurological state while they were shown photos. Some of the photos were very grotesque or sexually, while alot of them were just normal pictures. Anyway, their brains were showing a response to these picures even before it was shown. I'm a little to lazy right now to find the study, but it was pretty interesting. Basically, if this were true our unconscious mind can pick up things before it happens. Guess it just depends on how in tune someone is with this info.
Scarface, yes that's exactly what I'm talking about. Carefully read the material I referenced.
Thanks Steve
So numerology ideas which dont challange the inbuilt maths models in roulette should be considered if precognition can?
But Turner....random numbers carry no information
Ok...then what information is precognition previewing if there isnt any there.
RNG is still cause and effect. It's not random. Nothing is. It's just that models used by players agent changing the odds.
I don't see much merit in todays numerology.
I explained my theory about precog in earlier post.