Law of the 3rd is a fact
HOW can we use it on roulette
Can you at least explain to me what it is?
Ken
On average in 37 spins one third of the numbers will not show
Do we know which third, with an accuracy better than random? No.
It's like saying about half spins are red.
Its like saying " today it will be raining somewhere"
True...but where?
AP guys read the weather reports
LOTT System guys go where its cloudy and hope for the best.
Ironically....there was a LOTT idea called Raindrops
Statistics just tells us what we can expect with random bet selection. The law of a third is the same thing. You can't use it to increase accuracy of predictions. The odds are the same. Payouts are the same. Nothing changes.
It shouldn't be so hard to understand this point. Knowing that there will be around half red and blacks tells us nothing useful. The odds of rb haven't changed.
Statistics giving a mathematical edge? Mohammed Lee!
Quote from: Steve on Sep 11, 06:53 AM 2016
The law of a third is the same thing. You can't use it to increase accuracy of predictions. The odds are the same. Payouts are the same. Nothing changes.
Thank you.
Ken
nice try
it is like getting info that clouds are gathering somewhere in certain point. Then they can move anywhere. But weather forecast can have other info and builds a model what can probably happen. Builds a model. Think about it....
if you have 38 or 37 last spins two thirds of which are gonne come again and third of them is not --why you can't build a model? I know it's not an easy thing to do. But at least you can try.
if you say it's impossible then it is impossible to beat roulette with house edge on you. Unless you get advantage over it.
If you say it is impossible then basically you have nothing to do here just spending time talking...
that's how it is my friends...
Quote from: Turner on Sep 11, 05:56 AM 2016
Its like saying " today it will be raining somewhere"
True...but where?
AP guys read the weather reports
LOTT System guys go where its cloudy and hope for the best.
Ironically....there was a LOTT idea called Raindrops
I agree Iggiv
There is a way to build a model
Still trying
still thinking about how how turbo plays
Thanks for the open minds iggv/turner
I think because it is something that happens we should try to build around it
I still don't know also about TG.
And why we only look in 37 spins?
Why not look in 111 spins ?
Something very clear will appear. It does for me every day now.
:thumbsup:
it was told many times why. But of course you can try whatever you want.
Quote from: denzie on Sep 11, 11:52 AM 2016
I still don't know also about TG.
And why we only look in 37 spins?
Why not look in 111 spins ?
Something very clear will appear. It does for me every day now.
:thumbsup:
Anytime I see this 37/38 stat....if I am remotely interested, I always round off to an even 40.
Works out much better for charting (imo).
Ken
Quote from: denzie on Sep 11, 11:52 AM 2016
I still don't know also about TG.
And why we only look in 37 spins?
Why not look in 111 spins ?
Something very clear will appear. It does for me every day now.
:thumbsup:
Good point! I was thinking about this myself. The law of third says we should have 12 single numbers show, 12 repeat numbers show, and the remaining 12 not show in 36 spins (most of the time). But what are the stats for 72 or 108 spins or more. And how can we use this?
Simulation: 100.000 times 111 Numbers 0-36:
{{28, 1}, {29, 3}, {30, 36}, {31, 278}, {32, 1629}, {33, 6062},
{37, 14184}, {34, 16971}, {35, 29991}, {36, 30845}}
Minimum: 28 different numbers
Quote from: denzie on Sep 11, 11:52 AM 2016
I still don't know also about TG.
And why we only look in 37 spins?
Why not look in 111 spins ?
Something very clear will appear. It does for me every day now.
:thumbsup:
Turbo plays in some way....but I know its based on this basic theory
Bet 1 u on every number.
On a hit add 1u
After 37 take one off every number
Bet whats left for 37
After 72 take one unit off
Play for 37 more
He plays 3 cycles.
Thats not what he plays. Its the framework
Its playing in the moment
Not using past spins you havnt wagered
Ensuring numbers that are hitting above expectation stay and those which arnt...dont
From my talks with TG i can tell you he likes LOTT
He said he plays a dozen...usually 1-12 because its near the wheel
Same idea
Play all 12. Add on win...take one off after 37
3 cycles is best
He describes this in the topic...something like "things people dont want to hear"
Quote from: Turner on Sep 11, 01:33 PM 2016
Turbo plays in some way....but I know its based on this basic theory
Bet 1 u on every number.
On a hit add 1u
After 37 take one off every number
Bet whats left for 37
After 72 take one unit off
Play for 37 more
He plays 3 cycles.
Thats not what he plays. Its the framework
Its playing in the moment
Not using past spins you havnt wagered
Ensuring numbers that are hitting above expectation stay and those which arnt...dont
I did lots of testing with this, I dont like it as it is but the principle is sound. I did much improving on it.
This goes back to the thread I started today !! So lets say we start out with 1-12 as it is. Why bet on that 4, 6, 7 & 11 that are cold? Also, lower it down to 9 instead of 12.
Also, during testing (as it is) I would have quite a few sessions, the 1-12 not hitting for 15 straight spins. Thats 180 units lost before our first win. No thanks.
Ken
I believe Turbo´s method to be very similar to this: link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21641.0;attach=8134 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21641.0;attach=8134)
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 11, 01:52 PM 20161-12 not hitting for 15 straight spins.
And thats what I meant by going somewhere cloudy and hoping it rains
Quote from: Herby on Sep 11, 12:59 PM 2016
Simulation: 100.000 times 111 Numbers 0-36:
{{28, 1}, {29, 3}, {30, 36}, {31, 278}, {32, 1629}, {33, 6062},
{37, 14184}, {34, 16971}, {35, 29991}, {36, 30845}}
Minimum: 28 different numbers
Very nice to see this....but your forgetting something.....something very important
Quote from: Turner on Sep 11, 01:33 PM 2016
Bet 1 u on every number.
On a hit add 1u
After 37 take one off every number
Bet whats left for 37
After 72 take one unit off
Play for 37 more
I guess he does use it as basics. But there's more to it....I think I'm actually coming close.
numbers that are hitting above expectation stay and those which arnt...dont
bingo....but not with many numbers. ..
Lets see, about 24 numbers come up in 37 spins.
So 13 numbers did not come up.
That means, to fill the gap, 13 numbers must be repeats.
So if we take 24 numbers that came up and remove the repeat numbers, we have
24 - 13 repeats = 11 numbers that came up.
Wait..what?
Trend bettors fail to understand that what they are betting on is hindsight, and has nothing to do with proper play in the future-----even if that future is the very next spin , roll or turn of the cards."
Frank Scoblete, Casino Player Magazine May 2012
Posted for information purposes only as given by Frank Scoblete . and does not necessarily reflect the personal opinion of Nathan Detroit.
Tamino aka N.D.
Someone mentioned that on average there are 8 unique numbers before a repeat.
Wait for 8 unique numbers, then play 12 spins on the 8 numbers adding the new number every spin. I seems like there would be at least one repeat in 20 spins.
#s bet
8 1
9 1
10 1
11 2
12 3
13 5
14 8
15 15
16 28
17 56
18 119
19 270
How many times have you seen 20 numbers in a row, no repeat?
tonite on multi player.
Look in 12 unique in xspins
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 12, 03:31 PM 2016
Someone mentioned that on average there are 8 unique numbers before a repeat.
Wait for 8 unique numbers, then play 12 spins on the 8 numbers adding the new number every spin. I seems like there would be at least one repeat in 20 spins.
#s bet
8 1
9 1
10 1
11 2
12 3
13 5
14 8
15 15
16 28
17 56
18 119
19 270
How many times have you seen 20 numbers in a row, no repeat?
To many times. :'(
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Sep 12, 03:31 PM 2016Someone mentioned that on average there are 8 unique numbers before a repeat.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156478#msg156478 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156478#msg156478)