Member Katilla posted this.
I am copy and pasting what he wrote. Turbo believes this as well. And he is smart to because it is true
Take heed.....for example very often a repeater will be a three repeater in 37 spins for isntance
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from one mathematician , statistician :
"The roulette wheel is not random. It is chaotic! Future spins are determined by past spins. Patterns therefore occur. Find them. Exploit them.
Orderly disorder exists "
quotes from some scientists
"the presence of chaos may actually produce ordered structures and patterns ... "
"Patterns will appear out of the chaos. And this, in its essence, is chaos theory: finding order in the chaos."
They're indirectly referring to biased wheels.
Scientists Beat The House At Roulette With Chaos Theory
Alex Knapp , FORBES STAFF
Professional gamblers know that when it comes to the game of roulette, the best strategy is the same one that supercomputer Joshua applied to nuclear war in the movie WarGames: “The only way to win is not to play.â€
But that didn’t stop a group of chaos theorists from trying to beat it anyway. And according to new research published in the journal Chaos, it looks like they may have found a way to beat the house. They were able to model the motion of the wheel and ball and were able to confirm their predictions both in simulation and using an actual roulette wheel.
(link:://blogs-images.forbes.com/alexknapp/files/2012/10/300px-Roulette_-_detail6.jpg?width=960)
“Knowing the initial conditions allows you to beat the odds,†said Michael Small, who carried out the study with Chi Kong Tse, in a press release. “In some cases you can beat them quite significantly.â€
more at the link below
link:://:.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/10/27/scientists-beat-the-house-at-roulette-with-chaos-theory/#3571c7ae5217
The patterns to which real mathematicians and scientists refer are related to visual ballistics and biased wheels.
(link:://onlineroulette.org.uk/images/roulette-bias.jpg)
Anyway
Moving on
Thoughts anyone?
Once again, all great points from General sir !!!!!
He knows more than you ever will RG.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 30, 04:29 PM 2016
Once again, all great points from General sir !!!!!
He knows more than you ever will RG.
Ken
To the left
Little more
Little more
Ah thanks J. You welcome Caleb.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 30, 04:29 PM 2016Once again, all great points from General sir !!!!!
Ken
Are you certain you aint suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?
Didnt Caleb used to torture you in the past? lol
I mostly agree with what General writes here. And he just posts data proved theories. Also this time he is not criticizing (at least yet) any user.
Roulette is not random, is chaotic. I think we all know that by now. Systems though PROBABLY won't win in longrun whether if Roulette was Random or Chaotic.
RG. Besides one point in you thread I agree.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 30, 11:04 AM 2016Future spins are determined by past spins.
What advantage does this thread and the chaotic nature it gives us though on systems? Do you have anything on your mind? Does this thread made you generate any ideas? Besides AP which you are not fan of.
Hey Bellagio I am a fan of Advantage play I just choose not to play that way
The general wants to shove it down people's throats as if no one knows how he feels already
I never attack Advantage play Only The General because he is a douche
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 04:50 PM 2016
Ken
Are you certain you aint suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?
Didnt Caleb used to torture you in the past? lol
I really need to do more copy/paste.....I answered this already. I am by far smack in the middle of General and 90% of the other posters here. Not on Generals level but I refuse to be grouped in with the "others".
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 30, 05:08 PM 2016
I really need to do more copy/paste.....I answered this already. I am by far smack in the middle of General and 90% of the other posters here. Not on Generals level but I refuse to be grouped in with the "others".
Ken
A sad case of "I don't like anybody but I'm not going to leave"
it is truly amazing that I start a harmless topic only to have the general and Mr J come
Just stay away and no issues
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 30, 05:09 PM 2016
A sad case of "I don't like anybody but I'm not going to leave"
Say what you will RG but you'll never be on my level.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 30, 05:12 PM 2016
Say what you will RG but you'll never be on my level.
Ken
The level of spending 9 hours a day at the wheel and paying Asian hookers?
Oh shucks
I have better things to do than be a pawn for the general
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 30, 05:14 PM 2016
The level of spending 9 hours a day at the wheel and paying Asian hookers?
Oh shucks
I play hard, get paid well, party, bang Asian a**, drinking with my buddies, the movies.....a real dull life!
While you.....sit around thinking of better ideas for triggers and progressions. Have fun with that captain.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 30, 05:17 PM 2016
I play hard, get paid well, party, bang Asian a**, drinking with my buddies, the movies.....a real dull life!
While you.....sit around thinking of better ideas for triggers and progressions. Have fun with that captain.
Ken
Thanks chief
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 30, 05:05 PM 2016
RG. Besides one point in you thread I agree.
What advantage does this thread and the chaotic nature it gives us though on systems? Do you have anything on your mind? Does this thread made you generate any ideas? Besides AP which you are not fan of.
Just my opinion. I think predicting the next number that'll hit will always be impossible due to chaos or randomness or whatever we call it.
But, patterns always form in random. And patterns are predictable. Recognizing these patterns is the key to a winning system.
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 30, 06:05 PM 2016patterns always form in random. And patterns are predictable. Recognizing these patterns is the key to a winning system.
Let's continue on this and neglect the fight. I don't want you guys to derail the thread. Its interesting as theory in general. Not only on roulette.
So do we know any recognisable pattern yet? Does repeaters count as a pattern? Any other examples?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 30, 06:11 PM 2016
Let's continue on this and neglect the fight. I don't want you guys to derail the thread. Its interesting as theory in general. Not only on roulette.
So do we know any recognisable pattern yet? Does repeaters count as a pattern? Any other examples?
I agree
Completely
I never want to fight
I started the thread for discussion.
Not for the general to do his usual and J to follow.....
so do you know or have any pattern on your mind?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 30, 07:10 PM 2016
so do you know or have any pattern on your mind?
I think grassroots had the right idea
Not a HG
But the premise was betting against a fixed pattern
The roulette wheel will not spit out fixed patterns
Maybe can exploit that?
Column sequence will not be ABCABCABCABCABC ETC
Casino night
Won $55 lol
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So do we know any recognisable pattern yet? Does repeaters count as a pattern? Any other examples?
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Yes repeaters count as a pattern . Repeaters ....which can be the repeat
of one number or the repeat of one group of numbers . We know that any group of numbers will repeat at
some point /distance , just need to practice and find the best moment to attack. I use distances between same
group of numbers , patterns , and i try to stay flat bet or use sometimes positive progressions.
Let s take the RG s pattern on dozens 123123123 but....look at this pattern from different angle ,
9 unique/different streets will give you same pattern from above , each group (1 and 2 and 3 ) will have
3 streets and the distance between same group is dist 3 ( 1231, 2312, 3123). Now you think ...let s bet against
that pattern to repeat ...No ...because the pattern still can repeat and also we have the other 3 missing
streets + the 0. We need to wait few more spins and take the right decision, bet only on 3 streets or 6 streets ,
try to attack the right distance at the right moment , of course not always possible to take the right decision.
When bet for one distance to complete change the group to bet next according with the distance you attack.
Ex. distance 2 : 121, 131, 212,232, 323, 313 (start and end with same group). Ex dist 1 : 11, 22, 33
Try to put order (patterns) into the chaos , use numbers or splits or streets to create groups and put them into the
order /pattern you wish (not always possible) then try to catch the repeat ( the group ).
cheers
'Chaotic Order' is at the heart of my systems. I study short-term
patterns and the one that keeps repeating I record as the Procedure.
None is guaranteed to win, but worth the study imo.
Patterns... someone here said after zero hits the tiers always hit in five spins. I´ve been studying that ever since and noticed it happens after the Jeu Zero numbers hit as well, so you don´t have to wait much for the triggers.
(link:s://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/European_roulette_wheel.svg/2000px-European_roulette_wheel.svg.png)
So, everytime #12, 35, 3, 26, 0, 32, 15 hits, bet the 5-8, 10-11, 13-16, 23-24, 27-30, 33-36 splits.
Look at WS Table 2 from yesterday 01.09.2016. It hits enough times to at least come out ahead.
The only reason I find is dealer bias. No chaotic predictable behaviour, I don´t buy that.