This topic has probably been touched again in the past but I wasn't so much aware of the topic so I don't know in which direction to search.
What is the average score of 0s(sleepers), 1s(normals) and 1+(repeaters) in 37 spin cycles? I guess some people will refer to the law of the third or even GUT but what is the EXACT average? Can this be calculated through some types or is it only calculated manually or coded spin after spin, cycle after cycle?
I have checked a few cycles on RNGs and the results per 37-cycle are:
0s: 12 12 10 13 8 14 12 12 14 14 15 15 17 17 11 15 16 16 17
1s: 15 15 17 17 22 13 16 16 11 12 13 11 8 9 19 12 7 8 8
1+: 10 10 10 7 7 10 9 9 12 11 9 11 12 11 7 10 14 13 12
Average are
0s: 13.6
1s: 12.5
1+: 10.2
For practical reason I would say 14,13,10 rounding them up.
Does anyone has any more data on this stuff or knows how to exact calculate it? :question:
0s: 13.43
1s: 13.80
1+: 09.78
Quote from: Normy2000 on Oct 05, 08:01 PM 20160s: 13.43
1s: 13.80
1+: 09.78
And you got them from...?
Are these based on testings of you, or math types? If testings how many testings? Live? RNG?
BellagioOwner
In the attached i've added how many 0x hit in spins 11-40.
In colum AO890 you can see of the 879 games how often 15, 0x's came (165) colum AS894 shows for airball games,total 280 games,15,0x's came (70)
For 40 spin total just add 10, so 25, 0x's have hit in 165 of the games, leaving 12,0x to come.
Average for 0x in a 60 spin game is 30.5, how you use this info?
BellagioOwner
Now theres umpteen of these sheets to look at, you see 25,0x's on 5/10/16 and today 26,0x's. Add the 2 totals for 60 spins,28+32=60/2=30, theres the 30.5 average.
Its a game of 0x,1x and >1x, whats there average, look at the attached
To all
out of the 281 airball games now, what is the larger group for the 1st 10 spins, is 7/8/9/10?
Answer 9,0x
10- 67
9- 128
8- 70
7- 16
Now theres a few who see 15,0x in spins 11-40, if thats the case, then 15 +9, the most games from spins 1-10, then luck of the Irish is spot on with his 500,00 cycles of 37, 24 non hit
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 04:28 AM 2016how you use this info?
I was thinking starting to bet near the end of the 37-cycle when these numbers start to crystalize and you have to bet less numbers.
For example Let's agree that the numbers for 0s 1s 1+s are 13 14 10 as Normy2000 wrote.
If near the end of the cycle in the last 2-3 spins we have tracked:
0s: 13
1s: 16
1+s: 8
we can bet that we won't have any less 0s. So 2 of the 1s will go to 1+s. So we bet the 16 numbers of 1s to get to 1+s(to get and agree to the average we have calculated)
OR If near the end of the cycle in the last 2-3 spins we have tracked:
0s: 15
1s: 12
1+s: 10
we can bet that we won't have any more 1+s and that 0s should fall. So we bet the 15 numbers of 0s to get to 1s. (to get and agree to the average we have calculated)
That's why I need the exact average of 0s 1s 1+s within 37 cycle.
I like your effort for spins 11-40 and 60 spins games but do we have any data on 37 about the purpose I described? ;)
The math behind this is the binomial Distribution (some say multinomial)
look for: Poisson-distrubution as well
Quote from: winkel on Oct 06, 06:16 AM 2016
The math behind this is the binomial Distribution (some say multinomial)
look for: Poisson-distrubution as well
This is the man who could help you
Bellagio
Is roulette not all about 0x's, then 1x's, then a combination of all.
You know i posted on just betting 0x's with +1/-1.
Just to show, how a daft idea/bet can do i'll attach an early report on Mortagons #'s, its posted in is thread, but here it is
now at 12,000 spins
So there must be ways to win from 0x's, how? like the Guvenor Winkel said, watch the trot
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 06, 06:12 AM 2016
To all
out of the 281 airball games now, what is the larger group for the 1st 10 spins, is 7/8/9/10?
Answer 9,0x
10- 67
9- 128
8- 70
7- 16
Now theres a few who see 15,0x in spins 11-40, if thats the case, then 15 +9, the most games from spins 1-10, then luck of the Irish is spot on with his 500,00 cycles of 37, 24 non hit
Look at sheet posted in Max Bygraves what was 1st 10 spins 7,8,9 or 10/10
Quote from: Normy2000 on Oct 05, 08:01 PM 2016
0s: 13.43
1s: 13.80
1+: 09.78
Simulation 200.000 rotations (each 37 spins) gives:
0s: 13.16
1s: 14.17
1+: 09.67
ok. so we stick to 13-14-10. thanks guys :thumbsup:
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Oct 06, 06:14 AM 2016I like your effort for spins 11-40 and 60 spins games but do we have any data on 37 about the purpose I described? ;)
Bellagio
Are we missing a part of the puzzle?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Oct 05, 07:17 PM 2016What is the average score of 0s(sleepers), 1s(normals) and 1+(repeaters) in 37 spin cycles? I guess some people will refer to the law of the third or even GUT but what is the EXACT average?
Well i'm working on each 0x's average to hit and max to hit, spins 11-40 average of 7,5,3 is pretty sound, so what am i missing? I think i know the next part i'll have to work on.
Bellagio,
you can follow Kolmogorff: Each group hits in average like its part of all possible outcomes.
eg: at spin 13 we have 26 9 2 in average The hitrate in average is 26/37 for 0s, 9/37 for 1s plus 2/37
at spin 25 we have in average 18 14 5 the hitrate is 18/37 14/37 5/37
at spin 37 we have 14 13 10 the hitrate is 14/37 13/37 10/37
so the combination of the amount of 0s 1s and >1s you will find at anypoint in a permanence will hit like their number allows/37
Quote from: winkel on Oct 12, 04:16 PM 2016
Bellagio,
you can follow Kolmogorff: Each group hits in average like its part of all possible outcomes.
eg: at spin 13 we have 26 9 2 in average The hitrate in average is 26/37 for 0s, 9/37 for 1s plus 2/37
at spin 25 we have in average 18 14 5 the hitrate is 18/37 14/37 5/37
at spin 37 we have 14 13 10 the hitrate is 14/37 13/37 10/37
so the combination of the amount of 0s 1s and >1s you will find at anypoint in a permanence will hit like their number allows/37
Professor W.
Lets say 0x 24 comes on spin 37. Now 0x 24 does not always hit on spin 37, so is there an average spin that it could come, i have seen it hit on spin 28 before and as late as spin 44. So could you give an average spin for 0x,24, if say 0x,24 averages to hit on spin 35, and lets say we are on spin 35 and only 20,0x have come, should we not expect to see the 0x's speed up.
Thanks Notto
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 12, 04:46 PM 2016
Professor W.
..., so is there an average spin that it could come,...
..., should we not expect to see the 0x's speed up.
Thanks Notto
simply: NO!
But in an average (with the normal deviation of sigma) it is about 8 coups, that one value won´t change.
Thanks prof :thumbsup:
Very interesting discussion about the average number of 0 hits, 1 hits, and 1+ hits in an average 37 spin cycle (for 38 spins, the average numbers will change by a minuscule amount).
Think this topic deserves a bump.
goes back to turbo betting numbers that have repeated
I tested thoroughly repeat levels: 0s, 1s, 2s, etc. No level is more likely to repeat than another unless it has more numbers in it for less payout - all equivalent. The only pattern I found was that the position 1 repeat, i.e. 2 numbers in a row, should come mostly from numbers that have already repeated several times* - at least that was the case when I tested line repeats. So there is definitely some connection between positions and repeat levels. I don't think hot/cold can offer us anything else there besides that.
*numbers at highest repeat levels instead of 2 in a row from, say, the 0s and 1s.
0s: 1,2
1s: 3,4
2s: 5,6
Here more chance for 55 or 66 than 11 or 22