Waffle first.
What do we want in roulette? Is it not something easy to see and play, like top dog Mr J quotes must be able to play at the top doggs table?
So like top dog said use the marquee and note book.
Well what do you see on the marquee? The numbers and you can see they are single or double digits, easy to see?
Now I was not going to show any of this, but on Thursday I used on the multi-player, one of my 3 account names, 3, yes when trying something it’s better to be using 1 bank roll, not one that’s been reset, so if the idea is any good you would see your win ratio go up.
Well this old name was showing a rate of .7, but by evening it was over 1.005, by watching single digits.
So what is below showing, its Morts #'s, max/avg is numerous averages of the double digits, max, is from the numerous record games the max run of double digits.
I have seperated the spins from today in to 2 columns of single and double digits and note how many spins the double lasted
Dragonara 12.11.16
max/avg 5.555555556
max 17
25
11
18 3
5
9
25
12 2
2
17
19
33 3
5
34 1
1
33
15
22 3
4
23
17
13
30 4
6
9
24 1
5
34 1
3
4
22
29 2
2
2
35 1
5
17
0
15 3
3
13 1
5
12
31 2
6
34
13
25
36
22
22
35
30
0
18
31
31
11
16
19
20
22 17
1
31
20
17
20
0
32
25
25
24
29
16 11
4
6
26 1
3
4
29
16
27
26 4
3
4
29
16
27
26 4
3
34 1
2
29 1
2
20 1
5
15
22 2
2
25
0 2
7
0
27
15
36
14 5
8
20 1
7
28 1
4
29
15 2
9
3
30
29
13
22
19 5
9
12
24
27 3
4
1
2
9
28 1
5
32
29
17
33
23 5
1
4
30
23 2
7
29
16 2
5
24
22 2
8
33 1
1
34
13
26
0
7
19 6
2
33
25
10 3
5
29 1
Avg 2.921052632
Max 17
And here is todays calc's, bottom of attached, a new max of double digits.
As zero or if unlucky to be on a double zero, they muck up the run as zero is not going to be played, just bet the 9 single digits when favourable.
Favourable will be down to your decison of how many double digits you are prepared to wait.
Theres more to think about, but as this will be far above your thinking, i'll leave it at this point.
wait for six misses and attack for 3 spins might be better....but not good enough
Quote from: maestro on Nov 12, 09:30 AM 2016
wait for six misses and attack for 3 spins might be better....but not good enough
No
What happened was i got from 700 units to 9000 units, i asked this, below,
Re: Single Dozen
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2016, 08:25:21 PM »
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Willie or anyone
Not the math answer please, but how many actual spins,has anyone seen, any one of the 3 dozens miss for? max
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Quote from: nottophammer on November 08, 2016, 08:25:21 PM
Willie or anyone
Not the math answer please, but how many actual spins,has anyone seen, any one of the 3 dozens miss for? max
24 I think
Then BellagioOwner showed the math,
i replied Miss 24 as Mogul said = once every 12K spins
Miss 34 as notto said = once every 615K THANKS BellagioOwner. This can be seen in single dozen
So with knowing a doz could miss for 24 or even worst 34.
I decided to wait 10 spins then bet the singles with 1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,10,15,20,25,35,50 but the table limit on MPR was 100 on a single.
But with the mat broke into 4, when marking how the sectors where coming i could see, lets say sector 3, 19-27 had missed for 10 spins , so i would bet that sector. Went great any time i went back to MPR, but i said to my son we're going to get a loser soon.
You can see in the attached how good it went , from 7661 units to 9326. This is where it took sector 3, 29 spins and posted about the 29 spins in the single dozen thread, and this is where mogul asked about the shopping list, the 29 spins
But after the bust, i realised i had left the singles 1-9 alone,
So i blew all the units. Later i thought okay lets reset the meter and just track for a chance to bet the singles 1-9.
Well using 1 units as the prog would be to much for 5 units. You can see got the 1000 to 1369, went from .94 to .95 win rate.
Came back later to MPR, last time of play was at 2566 units 1845 spins .96 win rate.
Now Maestro likes fast game so tick the ready box when he's on, was near to 3000 units and some times the check box stays ticked, but when on one of the betting oppotunities, i was up to 25 unit chips and only had 5 #'s covered and the spin was finished, now whether that tick box made the clock go to 1, i don't know, but the single came in and was not one of the covered #'s, so the bet was gone and down on units, below 2000.
Well carried on, time was late so stopped and was at 2166 so not to bad.
If you wish to watch progress of betting for singles, look for dotcom. its all i'll play, see if i can get to win rate of 1 or bust as 1-9 is in 1st doz, that Mogul kindly says could miss for 24 or as i know 34, so if the 1st is missing then the 1st 9 are as well
Well been on MPR was 2216 now 2783 win rate .963 onward and up, singles
Just left Maestro, now at 3028 winrate .965
dont understand what your doing but it looks good----
Okay Tom, here are Mortagons #'s for 13.11.16, just as you/i would see them on the marquee
Dragonara 13.11.16
max/avg
max
32
20
27
0
7
31
35
0
17
18
25
7
36
9
13
28
7
13
28
28
33
12
4
9
1
6
36
9
23
3
0
26
5
31
13
27
29
20
20
21
25
30
6
16
1
4
33
28
1
28
9
4
21
31
17
12
10
3
15
0
30
32
20
10
19
20
10
15
29
14
0
27
34
23
20
21
26
13
13
30
31
7
35
35
30
24
22
17
32
2
2
9
21
20
13
25
14
21
26
17
10
5
3
3
6
18
20
14
24
3
19
9
25
31
36
3
5
10
2
7
5
2
5
20
20
14
16
12
24
25
6
17
22
2
27
0
7
29
8
34
29
19
36
19
16
1
22
9
21
10
10
22
11
4
12
2
34
34
11
25
23
24
19
13
21
10
35
34
26
32
27
30
27
0
29
7
31
3
36
16
17
25
8
32
8
20
9
17
23
32
5
21
8
Now we will see how the double digits came
Dragonara 13.11.16
avg 4.085714286
max 23
32
20
27
0 4
7
31
35
0
17
18
25 6
7
36 1
9
13
28 2
7
13
28
28
33
12 5
4
9
1
6
36 1
9
23 1
3
0
26
5 2
31
13
27
29
20
20
21
25
30 9
6
16 1
1
4
33
28 2
1
28 1
9
4
21
31
17
12
10 5
3
15
0
30
32
20
10
19
20
10
15
29
14
0
27
34
23
20
21
26
13
13
30
31 23
7
35
35
30
24
22
17
32 7
2
2
9
21
20
13
25
14
21
26
17
10 9
5
3
3
6
18
20
14
24 4
3
19 1
9
25
31
36 3
3
5
10 1
2
7
5
2
5
20
20
14
16
12
24
25 7
6
17
22 2
2
27
0 2
7
29 1
8
34
29
19
36
19
16 6
1
22 1
9
21
10
10
22
11 5
4
12 1
2
34
34
11
25
23
24
19
13
21
10
35
34
26
32
27
30
27
0
29 19
7
31 1
3
36
16
17
25 4
8
32 1
8
20 1
9
17
23
32 3
5
21 1
8
Avg 4.085714286
Max 23
So you can see that theres 3 doubles and the zero, zero would be a loser, so i add it to the 3 doubles, making 4 spins. Again a zero, so we make it 6 doubles.
Yesterday the double digits averaged 2.92 with max length of 17 spins. Today avg is 4.08 and 23 spins.
So the max has gone up from 17 to 23, but the max/highest avg is still 5.555555556.
Now the ?, do you wait for 6 double digits and then go for section on mat (1-9), or do you take 6 from the max 23, and wait for 17 double digits, then bet 1-9. If you waited for 17 double digits, today you would have had two bets and be a winner as yesterday was a max of 17, so we can see waiting should work.
Whats happening when we see a large run of doubles? It could be just section 1-9 is missing or is all 1st dozen missing?
Mogul has seen a dozen sleep for 24, i've seen any of the dozens miss for 34 spins on RNG and live wheel. So we can potentially see when 1st dozen is sleeping.
Now when i got to 9000 on steves MPR, i did not restrict my self to 1-9.
I broke the mat into 4, 1-9,10-18,19-27 and 28-36, or 1,2,3,4.
On the attached is recording, number span, section in, furthest back spins 11 onward. But this could happen in first 10 spins.
As we see spin 9 is section 2, furthest back is section 3, marked 10 spins on, 10 was the amount i waited to see if the section had come.
But section 3 is now 6 spins from last hit, the average for double digits when section 2 hit, well you can see it came on spin 11, so waiting 10 spins the oppotunity has now gone, if you went after 6 spins, 6 of the 9#'s are in 2nd doz other 3 in 3rd doz. Would you stick to section 3 or bet double dozen?
If you'd bet doble dozen you'd have won, but section 3 has still not hit, what do you bet?
Now the 3 hits on spin 11, look to furthest back, section 1, 1-9, which is double digit avg of 6 spins now and look next spin #7, 1-9. Look furthest back section 4, yes it drops in.
look again and its section 2. Got to go moto 3 on
quick go between race 2, BR now 3142, win rate .9662
Well Lorenzo scrapped home LOL, so now i'm at 4492 win rate .976
another 180 spins on MPR now at 4834 win rate .979
Its like fishing sitting waiting to catch a single
130 spins, now 5329 win rate .982
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 12, 05:12 PM 2016
Just left Maestro, now at 3028 winrate .965
not to shabby for today, fishing those singles 130 spins, now 5329 win rate .982
Can't beat blowing your own trump-et >:D
well thats it for today, just left Maestro, 130 spins 52 in the 1st doz.
Nowat 5796 win rate .986
Just invaded Madi's post in Holy Grail by Winkel open for discussion. Just a very small example using Vegas star.
So we all know whats going to fcuk up going for a single 1-9, a sleeping 1st dozen.
So far we have gained knowledge of the doubles spins and got the avg for them, 5.555555556 round up 6. The max to date is 23.
Now 23 is just 1 short of Moguls 24, so lets assume we'll never go beyond 24, but in the real world we've seen 34.
Does it not mean after 6 doubles have shown we need to ride 18 spins for the win.
In the bookies where i have seen 34 spins for a dozen, the max bet is £100, i can go 14 spins for 9#'s.
So wheres the stop point or should i/you go to 14 and hope we make more than we're going to lose.
Unless you cover zero making it a 10# bet, zero is a loss to me, so i call it a double thats why it shows 9 spins
jackpot247 12.11.16
1 0
2 32
3 18
4 15
5 35
6 30
7 0
8 6
9 6
10 35
11 0
12 36
13 10
14 8
15 0
16 21
17 13
18 31
19 25
20 22
21 24
22 21
23 32 9
24 7 w
25 16
26 8
27 32
28 36
29 23
30 14
31 35
32 18
33 12
34 17 8
35 2 w
36 23
37 28
38 16
39 1
40 2
41 8
42 17
43 15
44 22
45 35
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
jackpot247 13.11.16
1 34
2 13
3 31
4 27
5 16 5
6 4
7 20
8 10
9 35
10 31
11 16 5
12 6
13 4
14 17
15 30 2
16 8
17 2
18 31
19 16
20 35
21 33
22 21
23 22
24 19
25 13 8
26 7 w
27 8
28 10
29 30
30 32
31 30
32 16
33 12
34 13
35 0
36 10
37 22
38 20
39 20 12
40 3 w
41 32
42 0
43 20
44 22
45 31 5
46 1
47 1
48 34
49 22
50 25
51 13
52 35 5
53 8
54 20
55 23 2
56 4
57 26 1
58 1
59 20 1
60 4
61 34
62 26 2
63 7
64 11
65 33
66 13 3
Dragonara 14.11.16
3
3
1
7
28
29
15 3
8
10
17
34 3
4
7
2
27
20
0
33
11 5
2
11
14
12 3
1
13 1
4
24
30
23 3
8
0
30
27
18
28 5
1
28
21 2
7
32
31
34
19
23
29
17 7
3 w
23
19
23
25
12
29
17
29
25 9
1 w
0 1
4
16
24
29
18
31
25
16
16
16
17
25
31
20
33
19
15 16
7 w
20
27
29
18
32
31
25 7
5 w
17
12
19
19
20
19
32
25
0
10
16
18 12
6 w
28 1
1
33
24
18
23
20
15
18
10
19
10
19
10
26
21
29
18
33
17 18
8 w
21
25 2
5
35
28 2
5
15
23 2
7
22
15 2
9
9
18
33
13
23
20
19 6
9 w
27
15
26
24
25
24
17
22 8
6 w
11 1
5
33
35
28
15
23
26
36
24 8
1 w
32
25 2
5
31
13 2
2
1
25
23
31
20
35
34 6
8 w
11
16
18
32
0
20
11
34
15
10
12 11
3 w
Okay back from fishing for singles on steves MPR game. Had 120 spins.
Change of subject for a momment, i always throw peoples #'s through Priyankas tester for KTF and as you can see +106, always wait for the 60 spins to finish or go to another wheel so your in a new part of the stream of numbers.
Back on Mogul397. start at BR 5796 win rate .982, finished 6210 win rate up to .989
About a stop point, if not going to go as far as you can with your style of chosen progression, it could be worth trying only 7spins after waiting the avg of 5.55555 (6 spins)
heres the numbers
20 1
3
25
24
29 3
7
8
27 1
6
16
10 2
9
2
1
28
30
14
19
14
26
36
17
25 9
2
27
33 2
4
14
18
0
16 4
7
13 1
3
30
18
17
20
12
22 6
1
9
5
13
19 2
2
5
22
19 2
1
29
29 2
1
15 1
7
3
25
33
21
35 4
8
16
10
12
30
22 5
7
7
6
15
26
14 3
2
3
26
27
34
34
16
15
31
25 8
9
3
33
30 2
8
26
12
20
20
11
35
26
30
28
35
20
35 12
2
31
21
13
29 4
6
10 1
1
18
22
33
21
17 5
1
20
24
36 3
1
35
16 2
3
Well thats one fishing trip to remember :lol:
26 spins before a 1-9 hit. Did a winkel bet a bit recklessly after that, but still the singles eventually came, even when i stopped there was 2 more in the next 2 spins.
MPR 14.11.16
1 14
2 12
3 20
4 14
5 16
6 12
7 15
8 10
9 19
10 36
11 21
12 21
13 25
14 10
15 19
16 22
17 33
18 15
19 0
20 26
21 35
22 36
23 0
24 15
25 30 25
26 3
27 22 1
28 4
29 17 1
30 6
31 32
32 20
33 24
34 0
35 27
36 25 6
37 4
38 11
39 30
40 11 3
41 6
42 3
43 3
44 26
45 23
46 0
47 26 4
48 2
49 31 1
50 6
51 6
52 21
53 26
54 28
55 10
56 15
57 15 6
58 6
59 34 1
60 2
blew the lot >:D
back to the non-hit :lol:
how cum everyone is reading this, if this is just for me?
Dome ever spell come like that again it irks me
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 12, 06:10 AM 2016
Waffle first.
What do we want in roulette? Is it not something easy to see and play, like top dog Mr J quotes must be able to play at the top doggs table?
So like top dog said use the marquee and note book.
Well what do you see on the marquee? The numbers and you can see they are single or double digits, easy to see?
Now I was not going to show any of this, but on Thursday I used on the multi-player, one of my 3 account names, 3, yes when trying something it’s better to be using 1 bank roll, not one that’s been reset, so if the idea is any good you would see your win ratio go up.
Well this old name was showing a rate of .7, but by evening it was over 1.005, by watching single digits.
So what is below showing, its Morts #'s, max/avg is numerous averages of the double digits, max, is from the numerous record games the max run of double digits.
I have seperated the spins from today in to 2 columns of single and double digits and note how many spins the double lasted
Dragonara 12.11.16
max/avg 5.555555556
max 17
25
11
18 3
5
9
25
12 2
2
17
19
33 3
5
34 1
1
33
15
22 3
4
23
17
13
30 4
6
9
24 1
5
34 1
3
4
22
29 2
2
2
35 1
5
17
0
15 3
3
13 1
5
12
31 2
6
34
13
25
36
22
22
35
30
0
18
31
31
11
16
19
20
22 17
1
31
20
17
20
0
32
25
25
24
29
16 11
4
6
26 1
3
4
29
16
27
26 4
3
4
29
16
27
26 4
3
34 1
2
29 1
2
20 1
5
15
22 2
2
25
0 2
7
0
27
15
36
14 5
8
20 1
7
28 1
4
29
15 2
9
3
30
29
13
22
19 5
9
12
24
27 3
4
1
2
9
28 1
5
32
29
17
33
23 5
1
4
30
23 2
7
29
16 2
5
24
22 2
8
33 1
1
34
13
26
0
7
19 6
2
33
25
10 3
5
29 1
Avg 2.921052632
Max 17
And here is todays calc's, bottom of attached, a new max of double digits.
As zero or if unlucky to be on a double zero, they muck up the run as zero is not going to be played, just bet the 9 single digits when favourable.
Favourable will be down to your decison of how many double digits you are prepared to wait.
Theres more to think about, but as this will be far above your thinking, i'll leave it at this point.
OK. So simple point #1. You're counting how many spins happen in between
single digit outcomes. Right? That's simple enough to understand.
(And to state)
Which leads to my NEXT question (since all the nosey people are
poking in on my thread).
Why do I ONLY have a +2 karma? Warm up those palms and start
patting my back.
And while I'm on the subject, why does tomla have a -7? That's crazy.
What did HE ever do to anyone?
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 12, 03:32 PM 2016
Well been on MPR was 2216 now 2783 win rate .963 onward and up, singles
Notto, you're CONSTANTLY talking in a vocabulary that I don't understand. Like we
are old friends or something.
I don't know what MPR is. Maestro. And a collection of other familiarities that
you keep using.
Notto, is there any success in all this?
OR just demonstrating how it will fail?
If you're betting numbers 1-9, that is close to a dozen bet.
Quote from: mogul397 on Nov 16, 12:04 PM 2016
Notto, is there any success in all this? probably not
OR just demonstrating how it will fail? Yes, but if you observe the spins, you can see if you wait you can get the win.
If you're betting numbers 1-9, that is close to a dozen bet. you are correct, but this is just watching single #'s
You know a dozen repeats, your quote 24, so if the marquee is just double digits,is it not worth tracking to see if you can start to bet for the win, with a single 1-9, what if the marquee is as above but showing 1st dozen is missing , then is it not better to play the 12?
What does old top dog say marquee shows 15 previous spins so your 24 is not far away
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 16, 04:31 PM 2016
You know a dozen repeats, your quote 24, so if the marquee is just double digits,is it not worth tracking to see if you can start to bet for the win, with a single 1-9, what if the marquee is as above but showing 1st dozen is missing , then is it not better to play the 12?
What does old top dog say marquee shows 15 previous spins so your 24 is not far away
That's something you could do, but I don't see any magic in the 1-9. Just circumstantial.
1st dozen. And you'd still have to chase a progression.
Quote from: mogul397 on Nov 16, 08:52 PM 2016
That's something you could do, but I don't see any magic in the 1-9. Just circumstantial. Does GUT and KTF fall into this?
1st dozen. And you'd still have to chase a progression.
The way you portray it, you make it sound like you found something good in
single numbers. Your conclusion seems to revolve around the fallacy that it is
VERY GOOD if you bet once and win. Which doesn't happen.
It is still best 2-1 payoff that you have to chase through a bunch of losing bets.
Not the HG where you are nailing every one.