After looking at roulette numbers and writing programmes
for numerous ideas I've come to the conclusion that
treating numbers as being unhit or repeats just doesn't work.
So why not treat all numbers as being repeats?
They all hit previously even if it happened before you
started playing so the next hit is a repeat.
Since we don't know when the first hit occurred we have
to give a value for the "spins since last hit" for all
numbers at the start and change it to the actual value
for numbers that hit after we start playing.
We could give all numbers a starting value of 36, say,
and reduce it for hit numbers until we have 36 spins
after which it would increase for numbers still not hit.
Then we need a way to use this information. My first
choice is to monitor the standard deviation and average
deviation as they've been proved to give a good indication
of whether we should bet on numbers with big "spins since
hit" or those with smaller "spins since hit" i.e repeats
in the usual way of thinking.
Ross
I play on bookies FOBT, so its frowned upon.
When i arrive i do not know when the last spin on the machine happened, on the game i play probably a long time since start button was pushed.
Most times i note the marquee to see what would happened if i was to use them for betting the remaining non-hit. As dont know when the button pushed they are pretty useless, its just better to collect 10 new spins.
On alive wheel then its different ball game, i'd take note.
does not matter how you call numbers repeats,no repeats....random is information as soon as you start that information comes and it is your turn what you gonna do
nottophammer
A good reason for playing on-line where you can get
some numbers quickly.
Meanwhile...
The attached programme will show the standard deviation
for the last 8, 10 and 12 numbers.
Load a file or put numbers in with the key-pad.
After 8 or 10 numbers:
A standard deviation of 11.5 or greater indicates that
you should bet on unhit numbers.
A standard deviation of less that 7 or so indicates that
you should bet on repeats.
In between.....?
This has been tested before and it has failed
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9040.msg75948#msg75948
A better version here...link:://tinyurl.com/h2ojspk (link:://tinyurl.com/h2ojspk)
Click on the buttons to see the numbers and how they
clump when the SD is low and spread when it's high.
Attached spins from BV for playing with.
Note the effect SD has on the number of repeats.
Quote from: Azim on Dec 15, 10:16 PM 2016
This has been tested before and it has failed
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9040.msg75948#msg75948
Not much like my idea and I see no mention of standard deviation or treating
all numbers as repeats. And as I said betting on "unhit" numbers is a sure loser.
So nothing to learn there I think.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 15, 11:59 PM 2016
Not much like my idea and I see no mention of standard deviation or treating
all numbers as repeats. And as I said betting on "unhit" numbers is a sure loser.
So nothing to learn there I think.
You just proving me right by saying your EMO fits someone else.
Go read the thread and understand it before making any comments on it.
Code your algorithm for bet selection. Test it millions of spins. If the wins are better than random there might be something in it.
Or, test manually for a year, waste time, and still not have enough data for proper tests.
It's also a good idea to understand what other people have tried billions of times before, and failed.
When new gamblers finally learn what they've been doing wrong, they wonder what they were thinking.
There are plenty of NEW things everyone can try. But most people just try the same old stuff.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 15, 11:59 PM 2016And as I said betting on "unhit" numbers is a sure loser.
So you are still at the beginning of winning with un-hit numbers. You must be at the back of Winkels classroom. :lol:
Ross
Todays numbers from Mortagon, just betting non-hit with +1/-1, make 50/+50, your grandmother can do this :question:
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Ross have you seen the sticker where a football fan is pissing on a manchester city fans shirt, well imagine its a maths shirt, piss on standard deviation
Sorry turner 6/1/17 we'll doing that >:D
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 16, 03:37 AM 2016
Sorry turner 6/1/17 we'll doing that >:D
right :thumbsup:
Ross on the FOBT
Playing RouletteDevils street system, so did not know how KTF would do. But for RNG it behaved exactly as the average says it should 15 non-hit in spins 11-40, +70
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Quote from: Steve on Dec 16, 03:07 AM 2016
Code your algorithm for bet selection. Test it millions of spins. If the wins are better than random there might be something in it.
Or, test manually for a year, waste time, and still not have enough data for proper tests.
It's also a good idea to understand what other people have tried billions of times before, and failed.
When new gamblers finally learn what they've been doing wrong, they wonder what they were thinking.
There are plenty of NEW things everyone can try. But most people just try the same old stuff.
Steve
I have coded my algorithm for bet selection with results which are
quite good - in fact I keep testing it on BV just to reassure myself
that it's as good as it seems.
However I disagree with your statement that any system should be
tested for "millions of spins". This seems to suggest that the system
has no way of avoiding bets when the numbers aren't "right" - surely
a pre-requisite for any system worth the name.
You're right in saying that most people try the same old stuff. I've
not seen anyone trying this "new stuff" of mine in the last 8+ years
of my fascination with random numbers.
nottophammer
Ross on the FOBT
Translate please.
Quote from: maestro on Dec 15, 02:54 PM 2016
does not matter how you call numbers repeats,no repeats....random is information as soon as you start that information comes and it is your turn what you gonna do
maestro
Meaning what?
Todays numbers from Mortagon, just betting non-hit with +1/-1, make 50/+50, your grandmother can do this
As both of my grandmothers have been dead for 50 years I doubt they'd be able to do this.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 15, 11:56 PM 2016
A better version here...link:://tinyurl.com/h2ojspk (link:://tinyurl.com/h2ojspk)
Click on the buttons to see the numbers and how they
clump when the SD is low and spread when it's high.
Attached spins from BV for playing with.
Note the effect SD has on the number of repeats.
Ross, I hate to be the party popper. However, I will say it the way I see it.
You like it or not.
When you give people no option(based on your own statement here are the spins look at it) to load any file but yours, what does it tell? The educated would run away and the naive would fall for the trap.
You don't know me and I for sure don't know you. I like reading between lines and make my conclusions.We use that gift to help the naive.
I understand you have tested it. Give people the option to load their own files and test them.
Here is your own statement:
Quote from: Ross on Nov 22, 01:55 AM 2016
Just another programme...
link:://tinyurl.com/hszuakx (link:://tinyurl.com/hszuakx)
Ten-day trial as usual.
Tested only on BV No-Zero but should be equally
effective on any roulette site. Very good on a good
day. Requires some serious thinking and as with all
my programmes doesn't tell you what to bet on but
gives you excellent choices.
Powered by Explicator technology with added coffee and nicotine.
Will give virus alerts (all false) so add it to the exception list
of your virus programme.
Here is another reason why the educated would run but the naive would fall prey.
Azim
I understand you have tested it. Give people the option to load their own files and test them.
You can load any file of spins you like but all my programmes assume the
numbers are shown as in the marquee i.e. the first number is at the bottom.
If your file has the first number at the top you can use my Inverter programme
to put them in the correct order for loading. It will ignore any comments etc.
Can't recall if it's still on VLS but will upload it to Box and post a link ASAP.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 16, 08:10 PM 2016
nottophammer
Ross on the FOBT,Fixed odds betting terminal, rng
Translate please.