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Title: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 09:00 AM 2016
Well now, this may be one of my best systems(?) so far so good. This is in essence played the same way as "Optical Illusion" (played with 24 numbers, but in reality it's a 50/50 bet.

Procedure: Wait for a hit in dozen 2. When that happens, put 2u on doz 2, spin until a new dozen hit (doz 1 or 3), place 1u when doz 1 or 3 hit. NOW for every loss double bets, until doz 2 hits. (no progression when the doz bet with 1u hits- this will give the money back only) WHEN doz 2 hit, reset to 2u bet on dozen 2 *only*. Repeat procedure.

sry for my bad english, :S but i hope it's clear!

First tests was played with 5u bets, (wingoal +500u, stoploss -500u)

9/10 Games won   8)
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Willie on Dec 21, 09:59 AM 2016
Interesting ignatus, do you keep switching the 1u bet to whichever dozen 1 or 3 hits or keep it static until you get a hit on dozen 2?
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 10:06 AM 2016
Quote from: Willie on Dec 21, 09:59 AM 2016
Interesting ignatus, do you keep switching the 1u bet to whichever dozen 1 or 3 hits or keep it static until you get a hit on dozen 2?

Once bets are placed (1u doz 1 or 3) bet is kept until a hit in doz 2. (double bets for each loss). When doz 2 hits, Reset progression & Restart (2u on doz 2)
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Willie on Dec 21, 11:16 AM 2016
Ok got it, but doubling bets (base as 5u) will give us 5 bet levels ie 15+30+60+120+240 before we are down by 465 units so if any dozen from 1 or 3 that we haven't placed bet on, repeats for more than 5 times or 3-4 times with a zero in between, then we are bust right?
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 11:35 AM 2016
Quote from: Willie on Dec 21, 11:16 AM 2016
Ok got it, but doubling bets (base as 5u) will give us 5 bet levels ie 15+30+60+120+240 before we are down by 465 units so if any dozen from 1 or 3 that we haven't placed bet on, repeats for more than 5 times or 3-4 times with a zero in between, then we are bust right?

Yes, i think you got it right, if i understand it correct!
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 07:30 PM 2016
14/15 Games won  8)
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Tomla021 on Dec 21, 10:39 PM 2016
it is a variation of optical illussion ----and thats another decent bet
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 11:34 PM 2016
18/20 Games won  O0  8)  8)  >:D And that's the final stats, a 90% winrate

I've made a video



Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 21, 11:37 PM 2016
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 21, 10:39 PM 2016
it is a variation of optical illussion ----and thats another decent bet

Yes, i don't know what i did, but winrate is much higher than Optical illusion...
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Willie on Dec 22, 02:39 AM 2016
Nice stats ignatus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 22, 05:05 AM 2016
Quote from: Willie on Dec 22, 02:39 AM 2016
Nice stats ignatus :thumbsup:

Thanks :) Well, it cannot be just ladyluck this time, considering how many spins for each trial (+100spin each) also it's impossible to win 20 sessions with a non-working system.

Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Still on Dec 22, 06:10 AM 2016
Ignatius, you should set up a bitcoin wallet and take donations for further tests. 

Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: ignatus on Dec 22, 11:44 AM 2016
Quote from: Still on Dec 22, 06:10 AM 2016
Ignatius, you should set up a bitcoin wallet and take donations for further tests.

I know it's a lot of work, doing these test trials.. but then i owe it all to you, without this forum, i don't think i would have continued with my roulette-interest at all!  :) Aslong you like it and can use it im happy!

cheers
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: Mortagon on Dec 24, 06:54 AM 2016
Quote from: iggiv on May 19, 08:01 PM 2013
buddy Ignatus. Never ever bet cold stuff with progression. Or u will finally have your own personal Poltava battle with the same result. It's a recipe  for disaster...
The fact that your progression so far was winning is just a show how roulette can trick newbies like u into thinking they have "solid winning method".

Some people win thousands with martingale betting on cold colour till they lose everything. That's how people lose
fortunes.

To test the stuff u must test it on quite a few wheels for quite a long time before u can say a word about it. And even then u can be tricked by roulette.


Quote from Kimo Li on: May 30, 2015, 03:38:31 PM »
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.msg134686#msg134686

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Most systems will fail,... and even the best system can lose sometimes. (Losses have to be accepted)
But to be realistic you can have a system that wins 8/10 times or 9/10 times
I have invented three such systems, still most people don't care.

Ignatus
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Ignatus,
You are probably the most effective player I have read. You actually have solid strategies. The only thing missing is your progression choice. But like you said, no one is listening. They don't want something that works, they want to complain about something that does not work for them.

Kimo Li
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Dear ignatus,

Sometimes silence is the expression of condescending indifference.

I commend you for indefatigability  and lack of desperation (i hope is not sick ambition).
Sincerely I will be glad if your efforts are crowned with success.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the statistics is incorrect. In several of  the "games won", You have exceeded the limit of loss of 500 units! With bet 480 units (after you've already lost the progression in the fifth step  /-465 units/ ), you assume maximum risk from  -945 units after loss!


I wish you success

Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: mogul397 on Dec 25, 10:52 AM 2016
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Most systems will fail,... and even the best system can lose sometimes. (Losses have to be accepted)
But to be realistic you can have a system that wins 8/10 times or 9/10 times
I have invented three such systems, still most people don't care.

Ignatus
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Ignatus,
You are probably the most effective player I have read. You actually have solid strategies. The only thing missing is your progression choice. But like you said, no one is listening. They don't want something that works, they want to complain about something that does not work for them.

Kimo Li
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Most systems will fail

Looking for the one that won't.  Very positive thought.



You are probably the most effective player I have read. You actually have solid strategies. The only thing missing is your progression choice. But like you said, no one is listening.

I don't think this is right. There are several problems/issues.

1) As I've said before, Ignatius posts methods with charts and you can always SEE a
huge point of drawdown. This is a positive and negative. On the negative it puts
failure in peoples mind. Not the plus side, if everyone likes or wishes that a method would
give you 8-9 wins was successful, Ignatius certainly does that.  SO there is an intellectual conflict that the thing is presented in a chart as a logical failure, if you believe in 8-9 wins, then it is a success. Every time.

2) Which leads I guess to the idea that more "hands on" work could/should be done with them. Unfortunately the charts remove the need for that in peoples mind. If people didn't see the chart and a conclusion, then more attention would be paid.

See what I'm saying?

Merry Christmas to all!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: stringbeanpc on Dec 25, 12:49 PM 2016
IMO ignatus's charts show that he has thought out and tested his idea.

The drawdown shows the weakness in any of the his method's.
This is where I will experiment with his method myself, whether it be a different money management, wait for a virtual win, etc.
Sometimes I will post a suggestion that I feel will improve his method.

Generally I prefer his wheel based methods over those that are table based.

Ignatus, I wish that I had your creativity.


Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: mogul397 on Dec 25, 02:11 PM 2016
What I think his method show is the somewhat guaranteed expectation
that there will be some big drawdowns.  They also show that there are
some consistent ways of "marching" (ego) and walking toward profits.


That is something huge to wrap your head around. Embrace that fact.

If he or anyone was just kicking around (like I and RG tend to do) we'd
be sitting around crunching numbers wondering "when will this fail".
And when it does, we'll back burner it as a loser.

The other problem I feel about Ignatius methods, as I've said, is that
I don't feel comfortable with the bank required most of the time.
Can that be a show stopper for a method? It can be.

Why practice something I'll never do?
Title: Re: Kings System
Post by: roulettefan on Dec 25, 05:07 PM 2016
good work ignatus

congratulation for all yourtest and system

best from France