I came across this enticing head-line the other day. Well of course I had to have a look.
It is on Roulette30 site/forum and I have tried it for 2 sessions of about 30 spins each and it certainly did what it says on the tin though not quite in the way that I originally envisaged.
It is very low risk and I used Penthouse prog. though there was never much risk of having to use the progression above a couple of steps.
Has anyone seen/played this? It was posted by Scepticus
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 26, 05:27 AM 2017
I came across this enticing head-line the other day. Well of course I had to have a look.
It is on Roulette30 site/forum and I have tried it for 2 sessions of about 30 spins each and it certainly did what it says on the tin though not quite in the way that I originally envisaged.
It is very low risk and I used Penthouse prog. though there was never much risk of having to use the progression above a couple of steps.
Has anyone seen/played this? It was posted by Scepticus
Interesting!
No I have not tested it but I will of course.
I'm just curious, what do you mean with "the tin though not quite in the way that I originally envisaged."?
- Tuddilue
Can you break it down bleep?
I read it but am unsure
Not the way that I envisaged was 5 wins out of 7. What it turns out to mean is that you match 4 previous wins to guarantee getting one more win. Still nice though. Very simplistic system - who would have thought that red/black choice would figure in a winning strategy!!!! To me you could just guess next outcome but I have learnt my lesson that to have discipline it is best to have a pre-determined system/progression and if I have not I have ended thrashing around all over the place (and mostly losses)
Whilst this is very easy to operate I would suggest that the entire article be read through a few times. I have also printed off a coloured chart as an aide memoire whilst playing.
I have played a further session and out of about 30 opportunities to bet it only lost what I will call the first step ( 2 opps.). once so is proving to be a pretty solid method. Any easy going prog. looks applicable to this.
Good luck,
Brian
Read it a few times. Slightly confused
Write the colors left to right for a total of 8
Then match the bottom line?
ABBBABAB
Bet this will match?
I have to be reading it wrong because 8 reds followed by 8 blacks is a loss
Hi RG,
I am confused. Are you talking about 5 wins in 7 spins? Do not know where A/B comes from. It is R/B. List reads downwards when you are looking at the chart shown in the topic post.
Hope this helps, if not let me know.
Bleep
Maybe I saw wrong thread. It was a 5 in 7 thread at the other forum
Can someone explain the method please?
Thx in advance :thumbsup:
On Roulette30 forum.
Look at last 4 spin results using R/B. Look at chart and find a match. 2 ways of playing after this. Reading downwards on the chart after you have found your 4 match are 3 possibles. You can use the 3 given or wait a further virtual spin. So 5 spin results have passed. Bet next 2 given on next 2 spins is one way or you can take virtual spin and see if it matches what was forecast. If it is stay with next 2 given possibles next 2 spins to those given. If it isn`t reverse the 2 given.
Example: RRRR (colour chain to match to) Forecast for next 3 spins: RRR. Either wait for outcome of next spin (No bet) or bet right away which in this instance is R and then R and then R (Only betting for 1 win then STOP) If you wait (No bet) and it is opposite (In this case black comes out) reverse next 2 spins (which in this example would be to B) Stop at a win. Retrack. You do not need to wait just use the last 4 to come to find a match.
There are 8 columns so every possible order of R/B is covered. It`s a 50/50 bet so you have a good chance to be right.
Mental block. Don't get it.
Hi all,
Played 30 spins earlier tonight. Was playing the 3 outcome way (Betting 3 opps) Only twice it did not win in these 3. It won after 4 matching next series.
WWLWLWLLLWWLLWLWLWLLLWWLLWWWLW
Good luck all. (Any number of progressions would have coped with these outcomes)
Need a few more members to run this and post results but it looks good to me.
Hi RG, Think you should go down the pub and have a few Newcastle Brown Ales. That`ll clear your thinking!!!
An English comedian some years ago used to say that matches were too technical for him (The kind that you strike on a box)
I cannot say more!!!!!
Hi RG, Think you should go down the pub and have a few Newcastle Brown Ales. That`ll clear your thinking!!!
An English comedian some years ago used to say that matches were too technical for him (The kind that you strike on a box)
I cannot say more!!!!!
What concepts does this system use that make it a winner since all bet selections will lose to the house advantage?
No offence plz. Take it to rng. That will show you where the hole is
ive read that thread several times
i dont get how the bets are placed
here is the chart
The 8 lines startng with Red are;
RRRRRRRR
RRBBBBRR
RRBRRBBB
RBRBRBBR
RRRBBRBB
RBBRBRBR
RBRRBBRB
The 8 lines starting with Black are
BBBBBBBB
BBRRRRBB
BBRBBRRR
BRBRBRRB
BBBRRBRR
BRRBRBRB
BRBBRRBR
so you take the 4 last outcomes and match it up to the above line
then what
Doesnt work . The combination cant be 16 . Definitely its a lot more that . 16 is only for 4 number reb black combination. Track 4 sequence of red black. Match with these line with the first four. Which line match bet the rest
And that is not 8 line . That would be 7 line combination. Say last four spin
Are
RRRR . So this one match with ur first line first four. So from fifth u will start betting on red expecting that the line will be same as blueprint or at least you get one shot.
thats fine
i just want to understand the method and understand how brian has played it
like others in the original thread im lost
Will upload the easy thing for you rg rather than writing 100 page
For ease there should be 2 charts. First chart giving 4 sequences starting with RED. Second a total reversal giving 4 sequences starting with BLACK.
Charts do NOT read across - they read downwards.
eg: last 4 spins RBRB (not bet) to bet next 3 spins BRR as per chart in that order one at a time. Stop at a winner or if lose retrack another 4 sequence.
That is option one. Either read original posting on Roulette30 or my take on it for option two.
Bleep24
Hi Madi,
Just curious. What are the other combinations that you have for R/B other than the 16 shown.(We are only looking for sequences of 4`s)
Brian
When I said charts do not read across ways that was referring to original charts. Madi has posted another that does read across. Thanks Madi.
Brian
Which sequence give a gurantee 5 out of 7 ? I read the original post. You said if you lose retrack. If u lose it means 5 is not guranteed out of 7.
U can see the original combination here posted by rg. Where is the 8 line comes from
As its saying 5 out of 7. Can you plz explain. Exp
I got RRRR . It matches with first line. So to get another r i bet on R RR. It comes BBB. Is it possible? Yes it is possible 100%. Where is the 5 guranteed out of 7?
I don't get it either. So far I don't see it winning. But I can't argue now as I probably missing something
If you look for a sequence only for 4 s then no gurantee to get 5 out of 7 . For gurantee u need 49 combination. The last 3 can get against you. 16 combination can never stop this to happen. Just simple think the last 3 goes against you. You didnt get 5 win. The reason you only made combination of 4s not till 7s
@ denzie
RRRRRRR say this is a blueprint .
We track last foue spin and we got
RRRR four red back to back. The strategy is as the recent 4 spin match with the first four of that sequence now we will bet on R next three spin expecting we will get at least one R.
Hi Madi,
5 out of 7 is theoretical. You have already `won` 4 so only need 1 more to achieve 5. A more correct title should probably be win 1 out 3 and I am certainly achieving that on average.## I did not write the title.
This is easy to comprehend and any number of progs. will cope well and it is low risk to my mind.
Yes you could get a string of incorrect bets but you have a 50/50 chance every spin of being right.
## Winning on first, second, third, fourth or fifth spin. = average winning 1 in 3. (Already `won` 4 add this 1 = 5 out of 7)
Regards,
Brian
Ok . Thanks bleep. There could be a sequence like this which is not metioned yet
RRRRBBB . If you get this sequence what would you say. If you say its a winer and loser then its ok. But it even doesnt gurantee 1 in 3. But if you are winning i am happy . At least someone taking out money from casino.
Hi Madi,
Personally I do not know whether this system, method, idea; call it what you will is any better statisically than just rolling a dice each time. If it is an odd number bet black: and even one bet red.
Yes if you get RRRRBBB (next 3 to bet are RRR) it could be a loser but it all depends on if you are counting 5th spin (R comes). as a no bet (virtual) and that is a loser. Do not know if you have read original post on Roulette30 but in this circumstance you reverse the 2 remaining projected outcomes which now makes them to bet R and a winner on first spin of 2.
If you were playing (real) all 3 then it would be a loss. Retrack and find next 3 to bet. I have gone to second series a few times but have always won. You have had 6 opportunities to get it right. If I had not won by then I would probably stop but it would depend on what progression I was using. For example if I was using 11111 22222 33333 I would keep going.
Good luck,
Brian
How?
RRRR R virtual bet then reverse BB.
Now if the sequence come like
RRRRRRR. I read the post . Every spin is independent. Nothing to do with last 4 . Anyway make money if it works for you.
Hi Madi,
Yes that could (and will happen) but not too often and you just move on to next series. Loss on first series has happened to me several times but has won on second set of numbers (so 6 chances to be correct) Was using 11111 etc. so no great shakes. I might start using +1/-1 and see how that goes (my favourite prog!!)
Use whatever prog. you like best. There have been some good applicable ones posted in Money Management on this forum. I quite like ladder type.
Good luck
,
Brian (you will just have to suck it and see!!!) Use past Dublinbet spin results posted on here to get a handle on this.
Hi all,
Update from to-nights 30 spin session. Won 20 units. Using advised next 3 bets. Never got out of first level. (Winning from those 3 advised)
Sound as a pound!! (especially after our independence vote. June 23rd should be made a public holiday and called Trafalgar day)
All those in favour say aye.
Brian
Flatbet or progression? Rng or manual wheel?
Hi Madi,
Only ever `live` wheels. +1/-1 Just played a few more spins and it went to 2nd level once, . first bet and won. (So bet number 4 - retracked after 3rd lost)
Brian
What is +1 -1 . ?? Add 1 on a lose and minus 1 on a win? Do u play all 3 or stop on a win?
Hi Madi,
Yes it is +1 on a loss and -1 on a win. I stop at a winner, whether that is first second or third spin. Yes I am playing (betting) straight after the 4 trigger, so up to 3 spins. If lost retrack and carry on where you were. It does not go to what I call 2nd level all the time but when it has I have always won in those next 3 opportunities.
Using 11111 22222 etc. prog. will be even safer but it can be a bit of a slog to get back in front.
In my experience it wins on AVERAGE on second/third spin.
Good luck,
Brian
Hi Madi,
Yes it is +1 on a loss and -1 on a win. I stop at a winner, whether that is first second or third spin. Yes I am playing (betting) straight after the 4 trigger, so up to 3 spins. If lost retrack and carry on where you were. It does not go to what I call 2nd level all the time but when it has I have always won in those next 3 opportunities.
Using 11111 22222 etc. prog. will be even safer but it can be a bit of a slog to get back in front.
In my experience it wins on AVERAGE on second/third spin.
Good luck,
Brian
did a 30 game test betting every spin. Reset after a win. 1-2-4 progression. 29 games won, 1 lost. plus 21 at the end. 3 zeros appeared and were just ignored,
went to 3rd stage 6 times. loss was when a zero came in.
This definitely has some merit. Must be many progressions that will work with this. This is the best way of playing that I have come across for many awhile. Also easy to follow and should not be any big DD.
I am continuing playing it.
Bleep
Ok. I understand you play vertically
So when you match up the past 4 to the chart do you bet against the next 4 or same as
Hi RG,
I am following chart (to give me discipline) eg: BRBR - RBB to bet.
I played 30 spins to-night: LWWWWWWLWLWLLWWLLWWLLWWWLLWLLW
As you can see all wins came within first 3 spins after trigger but even if it went beyond first 3 on past experience it will win within next 3 (after re-track)
After a previous session I felt confident enough to do Marty on this one as it happens, but I think my preferred option will be +1/-1 just in case.
Brian
I do not think that the charts for this method have any Harry Potter magical properties but it stops you trying to guess what is coming out next. In. the past I have guessed and it has all gone Pete Tong, so I am and suggest others stick with the charts. (Unless you are Harry Potter or Merlin)
Sticking with the charts has certainly worked magic for me so enough said.
Good luck all,
Brian
so this
Just had toughest session since I started playing this but it came good in the end without any heart stopping moments.
LWWWWWWWWWLLWLWLLWWLOLLLLWWLWWWLLWWLWWWWWW
12111111111232323432345678767654565454321 41 spins +25 I did not follow my usual which is to stop playing after a zero shows because usually another zero is not far behind but in this case it was not, thank goodness!!!
So max bet was 8 and it still came out winning in the end without too much grief (Pleased that I had changed from Marty)
Bleep24
+1 on a loss -1 on a win?
Hi RG,
Yes. It looks pretty sound.
Brian
i like strategies where you can bet every spin
thats prime for live wheel
What happen when you play continiously ?
Hi Madi,
I do not understand. Can you please elaborate?
Brian
As it is performing well did you play continiously like 200 spin or as much as u want. If so whats ur result?
Hi Madi,
I am playing about 30 spins then stopping. If I want I just play another 30 spins later. Could not fancy doing 200 spins in one go. Playing 30 or 200 will not stop you hitting a losing run though with this method losing runs do not seem to occur to often or be too serious (especially if you are using a lightish progression) Perhaps 111111 222222 etc. and this will cover the first and second 3 sets to bet.
Brian
Hi Brian and apologies if this has already been asked, but if you lose the first bet, do you use the last number spun as part of the four recorded spins, or do you keep to the original four for three spins?
Hope this is clear.
Cheers.
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 26, 05:27 AM 2017
I came across this enticing head-line the other day. Well of course I had to have a look.
It is on Roulette30 site/forum and I have tried it for 2 sessions of about 30 spins each and it certainly did what it says on the tin though not quite in the way that I originally envisaged.
It is very low risk and I used Penthouse prog. though there was never much risk of having to use the progression above a couple of steps.
Has anyone seen/played this? It was posted by Scepticus
Brian,
I saw it, but couldn't understand it. If I remember some effort was put into
understanding it.
Could you please lay out what/how you played it?
Thanks
ALan
Just tried this on BV NZ fun mode. It was too good to be true! Maybe it was the fun mode but I was playing to match the three that follows the four in the chart, playing stop on a win +1 / -1. If I won on the first bet I spun another two spins virtually to track then re-started tracking the four triggers again before placing the next first bet.
I played 17 games and out of those I won on the first of the three bets - 15 times! So only twice I increased +1 which only went to the next game once . Only a very small sample I know but it was almost like BV wanted me to win! But like I said it was the Fun Mode! :ooh:
Fun mode is not real. Test on live dealer only.
I look at last 4 spins. Next 3 possibles are given in chart. Bet 1st. If lose bet 2nd. If lose bet 3rd. If lose re-track. Start on another 3. If you win on 1, 2 or 3 stop and retrack. You can use R/B that have come out while you are betting if you have won and need to re-track There is no need to wait until series is over if you have already won. Start betting again next series of 3
It is a moving tracker but only comes into play when you have won before 3 spins or at the end of 3 spins if you have lost all 3 or won on 3rd spin.
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 29, 02:04 PM 2017
Fun mode is not real. Test on live dealer only.
I look at last 4 spins. Next 3 possibles are given in chart. Bet 1st. If lose bet 2nd. If lose bet 3rd. If lose re-track. Start on another 3. If you win on 1, 2 or 3 stop and retrack. You can use R/B that have come out while you are betting if you have won and need to re-track There is no need to wait until series is over if you have already won. Start betting again next series of 3
It is a moving tracker but only comes into play when you have won before 3 spins or at the end of 3 spins if you have lost all 3 or won on 3rd spin.
Brian
Can I get an example.
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Bleep have you had two losses in a row yet?
1 2 4 loss
Then another?
Hi RG,
Yes I have. See my earlier post for full details. Was using +1/-1 so was ok and still came out winning on session. You are only betting one station at a time so prog./DD does not ratchet up severely. I am using 1 unit bets until I get a full handle on how this plays. I really believe that it has a lot going for it and I am going flat out to make it work (Come Hell or high water) and find best method/prog.
Next session that I play I am going to use 111111 222222 etc. (six steps so covers 2 x 3)
It would certainly help if other members would test this with various progs. It is in all of our interests to. (The HG is just around the corner!!!!!)
Brian
Hi Gorki,
All the info. is in this thread. Read it several times and it will all become clear to you.
Good luck,
Brian
Hi all,
Played about 30 spins to-night. Plus 15 units. Was going to use 111111 222222 etc. but used 1 2 4 instead. If lost switch to +1/-1 after 4 loss so would have gone 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 up: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 2 1 down obviously depending on outcome of spins.
It never went past winning in first 3 spins so a good result (until next time?)
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 29, 04:50 PM 2017
Hi all,
Played about 30 spins to-night. Plus 15 units. Was going to use 111111 222222 etc. but used 1 2 4 instead. If lost switch to +1/-1 after 4 loss so would have gone 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 up: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 2 1 down obviously depending on outcome of spins.
It never went past winning in first 3 spins so a good result (until next time?)
Brian
What does the sequence mean, 11111 222222???? How does that help?
It's an EC progression mogul
Bet
11111 (bet one unit 5 times)
If below starting balance move to 2
22222 (bet 2 units 5 times)
If at anytime you are at starting balance or above go back to 1 unit
Then 33333 and 44444 and 55555
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 08:02 PM 2017
It's an EC progression mogul
Bet
11111 (bet one unit 5 times)
If below starting balance move to 2
22222 (bet 2 units 5 times)
If at anytime you are at starting balance or above go back to 1 unit
Then 33333 and 44444 and 55555
Rich,
This is of course a variant of the gr8player progression that he devised for baccarat.
The original gr8player progression calls for betting at each level 7 times as in 1111111, etc.
You seem to prefer this variant wherein you bet at each level 5 times. Is there a reason for this? In your experience, is this better or safer than the original version?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 08:02 PM 2017
It's an EC progression mogul
Bet
11111 (bet one unit 5 times)
If below starting balance move to 2
22222 (bet 2 units 5 times)
If at anytime you are at starting balance or above go back to 1 unit
Then 33333 and 44444 and 55555
So it is an expanded D'alenbert.
If you see 4 results and you play the next 3 according to the chart,
do you immediately recalculate for the next 3 bets if you win?
Hi Mogul,
Yes that is correct.
Personally I do not know whether using the chart gives any advantage. What it does do is make your mind up for you and avoid guessing.
Just for the hell of it I am going to throw a dice to determine whether it is red or black next spin next time that I do a session and see how it compares to the advised colours. Should be very interesting. We could all be ditching the charts and tossing dice around all over the place. How will that go down in the casino?
Good luck,
Brian
Hi Dr Sodoku,
At the moment I am jumping around with various progressions to try and find which is safest and best. Of course it depends on your L`s or W`s coming out. It is 3 bets after the trigger and if lost another 3 bets after next trigger: total 6 steps that is why I am trying 111111 222222 333333 etc.
It is a 50/50 bet so should not come to too much grief though there will be odd occasions when we may lose 7 or 8 times on the trot and that is what I am try to guard against without big unit stakes/DD.
Quite a few progressions will handle this but it could be a long drawn out battle to get back in front if you are using smaller units. I have a feeling that +1/-1 may turn out to be good and that is why I have asked members to use different progressions to see what works.
There are 2 or 3 progressions that I think will fit the bill but I cannot try them all myself.
Cheers, Brian
I have just played a session of 43 spins. I used 111111 222222 etc. It held up but was about even at the end. Also +1/-1 used on same numbers would have come out about even as well, so nothing lost but nothing gained. Different progressions need to be tried though you cannot expect to win every session, and not losing is a sort of success whilst you try to find the key.
Bleep24
450 spins +61 units with +1/-1 (1-2-4 first 3 steps then +-1) max DD 171u - 18u bet
same spins with 1-2-4 then 3-6-12 then 6-12-24 loses...
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 30, 02:20 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Yes that is correct.
Personally I do not know whether using the chart gives any advantage. What it does do is make your mind up for you and avoid guessing.
Just for the hell of it I am going to throw a dice to determine whether it is red or black next spin next time that I do a session and see how it compares to the advised colours. Should be very interesting. We could all be ditching the charts and tossing dice around all over the place. How will that go down in the casino?
Good luck,
Brian
Good response and good thinking. I had the same question.
In other words while we are looking at that chart, allofasudden, this different
money management thing popped up. Thanks for acknowledging the difference.
Honestly, (based on my "wallpaper test"), I don't see much value in the chart.
(BTW, my "wallpaper test" is a bit obscure. It's like the sayings "shoveling shit
against the tide". There is a saying "throw it against the wall, and see if anything sticks".
Well, wallpaper sticks. So it is my own metaphore about methods to, as the saying goes,
"see if it sticks". Or works.)
I'd like more, to see some tests related to this 11111 22222 thing. I know that I've played
with it many years ago and it is a simple way of doing it.
Quote from: 777 on Jan 30, 08:15 AM 2017
450 spins +61 units with +1/-1 (1-2-4 first 3 steps then +-1) max DD 171u - 18u bet
same spins with 1-2-4 then 3-6-12 then 6-12-24 loses...
Top work
:thumbsup:
So if you lost 1 2 4 you did 5 6 7 8 9 ?
yes thats right :thumbsup:
See my earlier comment: use a dice instead. Odd numbers = Black Even numbers = bet Red. Rocket science. I hear that NASA have a vacancy!!!
Lol
I'm beginning to think this is no better than any other EC method
Money management may be the key
Hi RG,
Tend to agree with you as bets are 50/50 but who cares and yes progression is the key.
Brian
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 08:37 AM 2017
Top work
:thumbsup:
So if you lost 1 2 4 you did 5 6 7 8 9 ?
Would you really play to that level?
Yes. Money management is the key. But you've got to be willing to put up
some cash.
In theory +1 -1 should always recover on an EC.
If you sit at the wheel for 100 hours
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 03:20 PM 2017
In theory +1 -1 should always recover on an EC.
If you sit at the wheel for 100 hours
But it still leaves the question of if you would do it.
I still choke a bit at the +/-1 of the NLE. But someday, I will see how
far it will go.
Can't see myself being comfortable with betting 18 unit.