I have been playing this with some success over the last couple of days. Thought will refer it here.. Cheers if you play.
link:://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/1-4-all-all-4-1/
Although I disagree with a lot of his methods, I do commend him for using forums for intended purpose
Especially his threads at GF defunct site
I'd rather read roulette methods than other BS
If I want conspiracy I will visit conspiracy sites
Thanks for sharing
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 28, 01:26 PM 2017I have been playing this with some success over the last couple of days
Just my usual curved ball GG
I often wonder what you are up to?
Your denial of knowing anything.
Your attempt to seem as if you are a newbie trying out ideas.
I know you and I know you know this is a very naive idea of Blue angel which doesnt make any difference in the grand scheme of things.
Which again leads me to wonder what you are up to. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Turner.
I have clarified that before as well, it is plain simple. My beleief is any system that works on the basis of pure spins and numbers is a failing idea. I strongly believe that a system idea based on certain event to happen within a limit or non-randomness is indeed a good idea and has the capability to create an edge. I am not going to claim anything that I have not put publically and i have already shared my thought process on concepts that can help to look roulette from a different perspective. In line with this principle I have also blocked all my PMs as I prefer discussing anything here rather than in private messages.
And no, am not a noob. I try out things though.
Now I like trying system ideas from others and would like to dissect each and everyone of them. In the last month, i have tried few of them.
Denzies repeaters - fails on long simulations, but yet to fail on real game plays. So I still play it, as may be the way we do simulations are not correct.
Atlantis A way - first two sessions was fine. After that I was repeatedly getting stuck. So stopped playing it.
Had an idea based on notto' post around last 8 numbers and a few other comments he made. Came out losing in the simulation.
What attracted me to the blue angel one was the money management. It is novel, at least for me. The way I am playing this is selecting the first number that appears on the wheel and then choosing the numbers around it in the carpet. Mathematically it should lose once every approximately 9 sessions. But I have played 23 sessions so far and it's still going. In the mean time am trying to simulate through coding and it is going to take few days.
Well the idea is, every idea that has some element which is novel is worth trying. Unless you try to understand the depth and breadth of it, it is not right to dismiss something.
And no am not part of illuminati hatching a conspiracy :)
Quote from: Turner on Mar 28, 07:02 PM 2017
Just my usual curved ball GG
I often wonder what you are up to?
Your denial of knowing anything.
Your attempt to seem as if you are a newbie trying out ideas.
I know you and I know you know this is a very naive idea of Blue angel which doesnt make any difference in the grand scheme of things.
Which again leads me to wonder what you are up to. :thumbsup:
That had me in stitches!! :twisted: :lol: :xd:
QuoteI am not going to claim anything that I have not put publically and i have already shared my thought process on concepts that can help to look roulette from a different perspective. In line with this principle I have also blocked all my PMs as I prefer discussing anything here rather than in private messages.
But we cannot discuss edge openly for fear of killing the golden goose... But something I would love to discuss here - or at least get a basic answer to - goes back to one of your earlier quotes:
"All am saying is by the time I reach the end of this thread, I would hopefully able to explain all the concepts that I use in my play and pulling those concepts together you will be able to figure out a method which will give you an advantage even if playing only red and black. Non-random events is one such concept."
Source: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.30
Does this mean that there are other methods besides Non-Random? And is Variance Avoidance one of them? Obviously you never got to explain all concepts - no doubt due to pressure from Steve and Turner - who were falsely interpreting your posts as baiting and even accusing you of cheating and all sorts...
Also, I've had disagreements on whether Priyanka/GG learnt Non-Random methods from Manrique or Dyksexlic? Somebody claims that all Priyanka's ideas go back to Dyksexlic, who in turn took all his ideas from a 2009 PDF; how credible is that theory?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 29, 02:43 PM 2017Does this mean that there are other methods besides Non-Random? And is Variance Avoidance one of them? Obviously you never got to explain all concepts - no doubt due to pressure from Steve and Turner - who were falsely interpreting your posts as baiting and even accusing you of cheating and all sorts...
Also, I've had disagreements on whether Priyanka/GG learnt Non-Random methods from Manrique or Dyksexlic? Somebody claims that all Priyanka's ideas go back to Dyksexlic, who in turn took all his ideas from a 2009 PDF; how credible is that theory?
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Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 29, 03:57 PM 2017
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1865: Abraham Lincoln assassinated by Jesuits. 18 months later the killer John Surratt (Pope's bodyguard) was caught and wearing a papal uniform at the time.
link:://eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bibliotheek/Boeken/romes_responsibility_for_the_assassination_of_Abraham_Lincon.pdf
falkor somehow i feel sorry about you ....all the knowledge and goes in drain.
Quote from: maestro on Mar 29, 04:31 PM 2017
falkor somehow i feel sorry about you ....all the knowledge and goes in drain.
What's that mate... Care to elaborate?
Coming back to the topic, this money management do have legs. I have been trying to mix it up with finding the number that has repeated the most. Going good so far.
@Priyanka..what is the max skips between hits you have acknowledge..thx
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 30, 09:03 AM 2017
Coming back to the topic, this money management do have legs. I have been trying to mix it up with finding the number that has repeated the most. Going good so far.
Does money management actually help a Non-Random strategy to increase edge further once edge has been achieved through a "flat" betting plan?
Quote from: maestro on Mar 30, 11:13 AM 2017
@Priyanka..what is the max skips between hits you have acknowledge..thx
Maestro - sorry didn't quite get the question.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 30, 11:18 AM 2017
Does money management actually help a Non-Random strategy to increase edge further once edge has been achieved through a "flat" betting plan?
May be may be not. I have not been able to work a money management with progressions better than flat bets so far.
lol...sorry should have read it all and then ask...silly me
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 29, 03:57 PM 2017
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Interesting quote...
It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.
Maurice SwitzerVery interesting article, for those interested to find the truth...
link:://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 30, 11:26 AM 2017
Maestro - sorry didn't quite get the question.
May be may be not. I have not been able to work a money management with progressions better than flat bets so far.
OK, so maybe progressions don't help then... but if we are expecting more edge from one bet over another then we might consider increasing our units proportionately to the new calculated odds?
And what about the 1-1-2 approach that you used for VdW with ECs?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Apr 03, 06:49 PM 2017but if we are expecting more edge from one bet over another then we might consider increasing our units proportionately to the new calculated odds?
In theory sounds good and works something like a progression where you always put in a percentage of your bankroll depending on the odds.
But am not sure whether it works that way in roulette. The odds of the next spin always remains the same irrespective of what happened in the past.
Between, this progression failed miserably unless you are able to find one number that will definitely appear in 36 spins. Hmm... that age old question.
QuoteBetween, this progression failed miserably unless you are able to find one number that will definitely appear in 36 spins. Hmm... that age old question.
yeah this good old 1 number, i used to try it one noumber,say under conditions of a repeat say repeat happen between 2 and 23 or so spins in that window i pick one number and when repeat happen and does not hit i switch with diff number from next window..but was not much of joy either...sometimes you hit sometimes you dont as i was thinking that probability to pick that namber should vary to max 1/23 but was not the case...
Actually this is a bit better than one number. If you are able to get 1 or 2 hits in the surrounding numbers or same sectors early on it gives a cushion. So unless you have chosen a sector that behaves a bit bad than expectation you are actually pretty good here. But yeah, that one number will shoot a bit more. I will try to test more on sectors and online casinos to see how this fares.
dont get me wrong but i think in roulete as long as we deal with probability we are not safe...last few days i have read few articles on random and i think that field is soooo big that number here and there does not change how sample looks but will make player lose..
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 10:12 AM 2017
dont get me wrong but i think in roulete as long as we deal with probability we are not safe...last few days i have read few articles on random and i think that field is soooo big that number here and there does not change how sample looks but will make player lose..
I tend to agree with you.
However, Turbo and denzie has a point on random. As long as it is random, you will not see 37 different numbers or same number in 37 spins. So that leads to things that will repeat. So the same probability gives us ways to look things better than looking just the next spin.
What do you think of that?
agree if you look as bunch of spins but still some bunches will have repeats and player will do good but some will get not enough and player will sink down(depends how picture of galton board looks like...flater or sharper) i guess is where progression comes in play but then again is probability...any finite event you can think of if is to be used in roulette always will come to 0 gain if not "-" for player and thats bad..i always thought that might be some smalll window we can sneak in but so far things are not pointing to that
maestro, you mentioned "finite"... I think this is referring to the limits of a Non-Random event(?), but what did Priyanka mean by "short" in terms of elements of play when he described "short and finite" together?
what i meant by finite is say in given amount of spin event happens..no matter what
say we bet event and in 10000 spins this event happens with prob 1/37..problem is when we chase that event to happen roulette will not give you only one number to bet on will be 2,3,or more so even we bet for probability 1/37 to happen we are forced to bet more numbers no matter that actual event when it happens is caused only by 1 number hitting..thats what i test so far...so i did not like the picture
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 12:38 PM 2017
what i meant by finite is say in given amount of spin event happens..no matter what
Yep - same definition as what I stated - so the only mystery remaining is what "short" means exactly?
you got it wrong as say VDW AP IS finite set but still give dual choice to bet and dead lock so you are left on probability..means AP will happen but does not mean you will profit of it
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 12:55 PM 2017
you got it wrong as say VDW AP IS finite set but still give dual choice to bet and dead lock so you are left on probability..means AP will happen but does not mean you will profit of it
AP must happen in 9 spins so is finite. A repeat must happen just like an AP event - both are finite - and both will not give profit out of the box. Finite is not a question of profit - but simply a statement about the limits of non-random events like APs and repeats. So what exactly did I get wrong then - or are you too proud to give credit/acknowledgement where due?
QuoteFinite is not a question of profit
.....yes but roulette is...and igive credits to my brain only...like it or not
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 02:13 PM 2017
.....yes but roulette is...and igive credits to my brain only...like it or not
You are so full of yourself! >:D
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 12:46 PM 2017will be 2,3,or more so even we bet for probability 1/37 to happen we are forced to bet more numbers no matter that actual event when it happens is caused only by 1 number hitting..
Maestro you have a point there on finite and the opportunities it provide. But going back to your point on progressions, what if we are able to work on a progression that wins better than it fails - like TG claims.
Looking at the possibility of at least one 3 repeater happening, the probability of this is close to 97% in 30 spins. Considering a bank of 300, what if there is a progression that yields average 10u profit whenever that 30 spin cycle completes or 300 bank roll depletes. We could end in a plus mathematically.
dont know how Tg plays but things like that i am sure you are able to code and see for yourself