OK, What do we do to fight randomness? I'm trying to find a wheel-pattern. What i imagine to be a very common pattern is what i call the "Twist and Turn"-pattern (as you can see in the picture) it goes clockwise or conterclockwise THEN it turns in the opposite direction on the third spin.
These are my first results (played with a 15 number sector (in the opposite direction (cw, ccw) on the third spin)
1) LWWWWLWLLLWLLLLLWWLWWWWWWLLWWLLWLWWWLWLWWLLLWWWWLLLWLWWWLLWLW
2) WLLWWLWWLWWLWLLLWLLWLWLLWWLLWLWWLWWWWWWLWLWLLLLWWWLWWWWLLLWLW
Tnx ignatus,
Read kimo li once. Its all in there :thumbsup:
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Quote from: ignatus on Apr 25, 11:27 PM 2017
These are my first results (played with a 15 number sector (in the opposite direction (cw, ccw) on the third spin)
Thanks God, Good Morning All,
Thank you Ignatus Sir,
Sir you mean we bet opposite direction of the spun number of 2nd spin (of 2 same direction)?
for example in euro table:
1st spin - 8
2nd spin - 22
so now do we have to bet ccw of 22 number and bet 15 numbers from it till 36 or till 11?
regards,
SugTips
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 26, 04:04 AM 2017for example in euro table:
1st spin - 8
2nd spin - 22
Hi sugtips :)
in your example this would be my bet, a 15 numbers sector in the opposite direction
x=number bet
(x)=keynumber, that single number bet, with a sector of five, that function all live roulette tables have! (5+5+5 numbers bet)
Guess there a lot of work writing down all keynumbers for each bet. But perhaps it's worth it, if this is a common pattern, (more testing needed!)
1st test on small bmc data (around 150 spins), so far so good, but used this prog 112244881616...
will test more.
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 26, 07:44 AM 20171st test on small bmc data (around 150 spins), so far so good, but used this prog 112244881616...
will test more.
Thanks for testing sugtips! :)
My first session showed a positive result. Flatbet
My trigger is when the 2 last numbers hit comes within a range of 3-14 pockets from eachother. When playing for real, there is no time to calculate pokets, that must be seen directly, then to place bets may take afew seconds, (if you are quick) so it's not an impossible bet...
Second test session also positive! Flatbet
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 26, 11:46 AM 2017
Second test session also positive! Flatbet
To avoid confusion, pls Sir I request you for a video of play. So I can match it with mine. Thanks.
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 26, 11:53 AM 2017
To avoid confusion, pls Sir I request you for a video of play. So I can match it with mine. Thanks.
OK, i'll do that. But all has been explained already (the trigger) and the bet you can see in the picture i posted...
3/3 Games won Flatbet.
4/4 Games won
Sugtips, i tried to record a video several times, but there is something wrong with my camrecorder. sry :/ I'll have to download a new one
5/5 Games won O0
6/6 Games won
6/7 Games won (first loss)
I play with wingoal/stoploss +100/-100.
What i was thinking now, a trigger could be used to wait for 2 spins, cw or ccw (2 in a row), THEN making the bet.
7/8 Games won
8/9 Games won
Waiting for two cw or ccw would take to long to play, (and you lose many winning triggers)- So, the only trigger i play is when the 2 last numbers hit is within a distance of 3-12 pockets from eachother.
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 27, 02:54 AM 2017Waiting for two cw or ccw would take to long to play, (and you lose many winning triggers)- So, the only trigger i play is when the 2 last numbers hit is within a distance of 3-12 pockets from eachother.
and than you bet opposite for third spin? am I right?
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 27, 03:37 AM 2017
and than you bet opposite for third spin? am I right?
Yes, that's right! The opposite direction (cw, ccw) on the third spin!
8/10 Games won I think that's pretty fair stats,
Not good enough for you?? with a -100u stoploss, and a +100u wingoal 8/10 Games won and that was played FLATBET.???
calculation of wins/losses:
losses: 2*100= -200u
wins: 8*100= +800u
Total = +600u
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 27, 05:36 AM 2017
Not good enough for you?? with a -100u stoploss, and a +100u wingoal 8/10 Games won and that was played FLATBET.???
calculation of wins/losses:
losses: 2*100= -200u
wins: 8*100= +800u
Total = +600u
very good sir, good work. I still need some help with trigger. please assist (if possible with video). thanks.
please guide me with this sample:
23
27
29
22
10
11
8
33
27
30
16
6
please tell me on which numbers should I have to bet?
also do we have to take last number as trigger if previous 2 numbers forming cw or ccw?
regards,
SugTips
Hi sugtips! :) I'll try to make a video, if my example is not clear...
very good sir, good work. I still need some help with trigger. please assist (if possible with video). thanks.
please guide me with this sample:
23
27 Trigger(two last hit is within a 3-12 pockets range)- Bet (European Wheel) numbers 11-22 Keynumbers(5 number bet; 1 number with 2 neighbours) 8, 16, 31.
29 LOSS--no trigger (last 2 hit is not within the 3-12 pockets range)
22 no trigger.
10 Trigger. numbers 16-3 bet. Keynumbers 1,22,12.
11 LOSS--Trigger. numbers 23-7 bet. Keynumbers 5,20,18.
8 LOSS--no trigger.
33 Trigger. numbers 5-21 bet. Keynumbers 23,13,25.
27 WIN. Trigger. numbers 11-22 bet. Keynumbers 8,16,31.
30 WIN. Trigger. numbers 13-3 bet. Keynumbers 6,21,0.
16 LOSS. Trigger. numbers 10-4 bet. Keynumbers 8,27,2.
6 WIN.
End session: Result +8u (see chart)
please tell me on which numbers should I have to bet?
also do we have to take last number as trigger if previous 2 numbers forming cw or ccw?
There is only ONE trigger, (no matter what); if the 2 last numbers hit is within a range of 3-12 pockets from eachother.
regards,
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ignatus on Apr 27, 09:08 AM 2017
Hi sugtips! :) I'll try to make a video, if my example is not clear...
very good sir, good work. I still need some help with trigger. please assist (if possible with video). thanks.
please guide me with this sample:
23
27 Trigger(two last hit is within a 3-12 pockets range)- Bet (European Wheel) numbers 11-22 Keynumbers(5 number bet; 1 number with 2 neighbours) 8, 16, 31.
29 LOSS--no trigger (last 2 hit is not within the 3-12 pockets range)
22 no trigger.
10 Trigger. numbers 16-3 bet. Keynumbers 1,22,12.
11 LOSS--Trigger. numbers 23-7 bet. Keynumbers 5,20,18.
8 LOSS--no trigger.
33 Trigger. numbers 5-21 bet. Keynumbers 23,13,25.
27 WIN. Trigger. numbers 11-22 bet. Keynumbers 8,16,31.
30 WIN. Trigger. numbers 13-3 bet. Keynumbers 6,21,0.
16 LOSS. Trigger. numbers 10-4 bet. Keynumbers 8,27,2.
6 WIN.
End session: Result +8u (see chart)
please tell me on which numbers should I have to bet?
also do we have to take last number as trigger if previous 2 numbers forming cw or ccw?
There is only ONE trigger, (no matter what); if the 2 last numbers hit is within a range of 3-12 pockets from eachother.
regards,
:thumbsup:
its crystal clear now sir, God Bless You. no need of any video now. Thanks a lot.
With flatbet, its very slow, am testing on bmc spins, for me 11 22 44 88 16 16 .. is working fine , but I will try it more with flatbet also.
thanks
Quote from: sugtips on Apr 27, 09:27 AM 2017With flatbet, its very slow, am testing on bmc spins, for me 11 22 44 88 16 16 .. is working fine , but I will try it more with flatbet also.
Thank You! <3 I'm glad for all feedback on the work i put down, so it's totaly worth it, and that's the only inspiration i need! :)
I'll be happy to see your results sugtips!
Now, we need to do more testings, to see if this can hold! i'll do another 10 sessions...after that, if it proves that this "twist and turn" pattern is for *real*, (and not just imagination) we need to figure out how to play this for real, we need either a program in RX OR some sort of tracker to make the bets easier...IF that is not possible, you need the RouletteXtreme software/tracker, and write down all keynumber for each 37 bets, (and that will be alot of work) but we'll see about that later!....for now, more testing is needed!...
TEST SESSION 2
1/1 Game won
Well? is it worthwhile tryin this furthermore? This was the first thing that came to my mind when talking about, wheel-sectors-systems, (that is Not a "hotnumbers system"?) I hope Steve OR (someone) use to play AP (On the wheel?) can leave a comment please? :question:
Thx