For free or minimal investment. Has it occurred to folks that anything genuine should come at a hefty price. Why all the foolish wishful thinking?
It's hypocritical. Scammers and baiters should be chastised 100%, we all agree, yet on the same token the real McCoy being openly shared/distributed is expected/demanded. Not saying socialism is good nor bad but just curious if it's the norm here. Or, most likely 99.9%, is it just wishful thinking the hg could be had if some one would doubly be ingenious enough to crack the code + kind/naive/daft enough to share it for free?
Like expecting to win the lottery, it is collective insanity imho.
Nobody is expected to share the hg. But if you want to post here, you aren't allowed to constantly bait people. Baiting is like teasing.
Giving clues is not baiting as looking as the clues actually lead somewhere and allow development
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 06:50 PM 2017
Nobody is expected to share the hg. But if you want to post here, you aren't allowed to constantly bait people. Baiting is like teasing.
Giving clues is not baiting as looking as the clues actually lead somewhere and allow development
I'm not baiting. Sharing does a disservice to the ones who have may have cracked the code so to speak. You wouldn't disclose your blueprint to your computer for anything yet your site openly encourage folks to share potential hg's like its nothing. Hypocritical, imho. Folks should be smart enough to protect there i.p. and not get suckered into dispersing potentially valuable stuff for a pat on the back and a 'for he's a jolly good fellow' type of deal.
I hope above folks are economically smart/keen enough with their potential investment that is not to say a hg exists if at all.
I'm not being hypocritical. You haven't understood what I'm saying.
would i give away the hg for free if i had it? No. But i wouldn't brag about it and share nothing (Baiting).
If i wanted to share anything, it would be to steer people in the right direction. The clues would be specific so people could test principles. If i had to be intolerably vague, i wouldn't bother sharing anything.
Baiting is simply teasing and leading people along for extended periods, just for attention and ego
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 07:12 PM 2017
I'm not being hypocritical. You haven't understood what I'm saying.
Ok. But, a hypotical hg is worth MILLIONS at least imho. Unless folks on here are millionaires this isn't considered baiting. Just wanted to make a point on wishful thinking.
So now that that has been settled, no one will take ever accuse me of baiting now.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 07:17 PM 2017
would i give away the hg for free if i had it? No. But i wouldn't brag about it and share nothing (Baiting).
If i wanted to share anything, it would be to steer people in the right direction. The clues would be specific so people could test principles. If i had to be intolerably vague, i wouldn't bother sharing anything.
Baiting is simply teasing and leading people along for extended periods, just for attention and ego
I'm sorry but you are twisting it around when my message was plain and clear about the strange expectations folks have with free intellectual property. You understand that point of view with your IP. The forum is like r & d center of some sort with minimum seed money.
People, don't be daft. Your IP is invaluable. Protect it + don't sell yourself unworthy. Like Steve does his. No need to relinquish anything for pennies to the dollar or for free for that matter. Again, that is not to say a HG exist if at all.
Again I'm not debating whether or not anyone should share the HG if they had it.
Look at it this way....
Should we allow people to do nothing but brag and tease for months without sharing anything?
Again you dont seem to understand what I'm saying.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 07:51 PM 2017
Again I'm not debating whether or not anyone should share the HG if they had it.
Look at it this way....
Should we allow people to do nothing but brag and tease for months without sharing anything?
Again you dont seem to understand what I'm saying.
You clearly misdiagnose most of what I am implying. I wouldn't sell a hypothetical hg unless for millions and it irks me that people on here foolishly expect it for relatively free/cheap, you included. It's dishonest, plain and simple. If you have care, you wouldn't allow it.
And physics is really the only way to win with flat betting w/out the use of computers imho. There you go. My best interest is for protecting the integrity of IP no matter who has it. You know, like the real world.
I apologise for being so cryptic. I will be upfront with this question. You are willing to acquire the hg for 100k aus.
How much min would you accept for you to part with your hypothetical hg? (Flat bet, mechanical, high win pct, etc.)
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 08, 08:01 PM 2017people on here foolishly expect it for relatively free/cheap, you included
Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.
Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 08:25 PM 2017
Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.
Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.
Stalemate I guess. But I wouldn't doubt very rich gamblers aka high rollers would see the value in it.
I was only making a sobering point and it got misconstrued as ego and attention seeking.
But now that we've acknowledged the true market value of a/the hg (not 100k), it would suit everyone to keep your proprietary rights intact unless it's for a fair value (at the very least, a mil). Again, that is not to say a hg exists, if at all.
Steve, quoting basic
math and calling
gamblers fallacy for the sake of the readers not to be misguided, waste their time is ok.
What's not ok is to repeat the same old record everywhere as though readers don't read or readers're too stupid to understand. That's not ok, annoying and plain stupid.
Forums are for exploratory discussion. Math frontiers and norms have to be challenged.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 12:58 AM 2017And everyone needs to be responsible for understanding and testing facts.
You need to practice this to allow for free flow discussion. Caveat emptor.
I don't see baiting, gross misleading on recent topics. Do you ?
And if some poster is on an ego trip seeking attention, what do we care. The problem lies with the poster who sees problem. I'd say grow up, get over it!
That @turbo thread is derailed talking sh!ts now. I don't blame the other posters frustration.
Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 08:25 PM 2017
Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.
Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.
Why not share it on here ? Someone might pick it up, mix match their own to come up with their hybrid system. Now that's helping other punters. Why bother allow the unintelligent stop you do a noble thing ? You might even learn a thing or two in between.
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:42 PM 2017
That @turbo thread is derailed talking sh!ts now. I don't blame the other posters frustration.
Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.
This. Like any other site it's r & d on a bare minimum expense level. Is anyone getting compensated for their time. What happens if you crack the code? A virtual pat on the back. What if the role were reversed and admin was privy to the golden goose? Be more your own person and less of a pawn. The whole point of any advantage gambling site: to farm for a/the hg with minimal effort and cost.
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:27 PM 2017What's not ok is to repeat the same old record everywhere as though readers don't read or readers're too stupid to understand. That's not ok, annoying and plain stupid.
Is it more stupid to ignore facts and common sense in front of your nose?
People that explain facts can sometimes annoy people. But it reaches a point where if they dont want to listen, they need to be left alone. And if a member follows people everywhere to explain facts to the point where it's trolling, then action is taken against the member. But an easier option if for members to just post in the "system players" area where fact-talk is not allowed.
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:27 PM 2017You need to practice this to allow for free flow discussion. Caveat emptor.
We do. But the other side is not to let bullshit go unchallenged. We maintain the balance.
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:27 PM 2017I don't see baiting, gross misleading on recent topics. Do you ?
No because members have a good idea of what's allowed.
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:27 PM 2017And if some poster is on an ego trip seeking attention, what do we care. The problem lies with the poster who sees problem. I'd say grow up, get over it!
That's one way to look at it. The other side baiters and attention seekers are basically trolls who degrade the entire forum. We have free speech, and action is taken only in extreme cases. Or should be let the most disgracefully obvious baiters run amok?
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:42 PM 2017Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.
Nobody with a brain expects the HG for free. Nobody I can see is "baiting" anyone like turbo for the HG. The issue is his claims are being criticized because of various inaccurate or inconsistent statements. For example, claiming parxonline tests are credible when they clearly arent. It is not baiting to explain this.
You are talking about people trying to deceptively get people to reveal their HG (assuming it existed). That's not what we're talking about.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 02:03 AM 2017
Is it more stupid to ignore facts and common sense in front of your nose?
From experience, repetition will never stop people blinded by greed and desperation from ignoring facts and common sense.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 02:03 AM 2017
Or should be let the most disgracefully obvious baiters run amok?
Ofc not. I don't think there's any extreme case on here now.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 09, 02:03 AM 2017
The issue is his claims are being criticized because of various inaccurate or inconsistent statements.
It's good there's criticism that puts the idea on stress test. But steer away from personal level criticism.
Nice topic
I look at this place as a library, Read the topics, take info of use, even if one has to sift thru the shite.
Maestro and I use Steves MPR, me to test, even thou its RNG. ooops Baiting ?
Quote from: cht on Aug 08, 11:27 PM 2017
Math frontiers and norms have to be challenged.
Really? that implies that the math is just a conventional way of looking at things, like we all agree that a red light at traffic lights means stop. But math is more than that, it tells us that things must be a certain way, given some assumptions. We can challenge the assumptions and end up with different math, and that's what the AP does. But we can't assume that outcomes are unbiased and independent, then use the resulting math to attempt to find a way of proving that the outcomes are not unbiased and independent. ??? That's just illogical, like assuming our arithmetic system is correct and then trying to "prove" that 1 + 1 = 3.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 03:32 AM 2017
Really? that implies that the math is just a conventional way of looking at things, like we all agree that a red light at traffic lights means stop. But math is more than that, it tells us that things must be a certain way, given some assumptions. We can challenge the assumptions and end up with different math, and that's what the AP does. But we can't assume that outcomes are unbiased and independent, then use the resulting math to attempt to find a way of proving that the outcomes are not unbiased and independent. ??? That's just illogical, like assuming our arithmetic system is correct and then trying to "prove" that 1 + 1 = 3.
You don't know what I assume and how I make that challenge for my own consumption.
What you wrote thus far in all your posts both here and on your blog at betselection(I took the trouble to check your background to understand where you're coming from) reflect only your personal
level of thinking, I reserve my comments.
What I'll say is with you, your math and AP background, acting as moderator on this forum it has a great influence on the flow of this forum. Steve with his computer physics and your math, AP background, this should be the perfect forum for those who approach the game from the same angle.
It's clear
roulette system players, definitely not me(just to clarify), may not find this forum suitable for their discussions when taken in toto all recent posts from admin/mod pertaining to moderation matters. Ofc that's my personal opinion from my brief visit. And ofc admin/mod always reserve the right to conduct whatever is right and suitable for the purpose of this forum.
Cheers and Good day.
cht, math is not an opinion. It is just what is. It still exists even if not understood.
If anyone doesnt find this convenient, the system players section allows them to discuss their systems without any math talk.
And its not a case of me pushing an agenda. When it comes to topics, I have exactly the same say you or anyone does. Thats because i dont use any advantage i could use. Me being admin doesnt mean i narrate content when i choose not to narrate content.
Basically i post the same way anyone here does.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 05:44 AM 2017
And its not a case of me pushing an agenda...
Oh yeah?
What about your sloppy dick agenda.
I guess you can't really push that anywhere. :xd:
There's only one place I'm allowed to push that one.