When creating a method we look at particular patterns/repeats/voodoo and many more to take advantage of what the game of roulette is throwing. We do all this testing to see the limits of the game and try to create the perfect method.
Every method has a limit..... WHY?
Each spin is brand new information and the past cant help the future spins!
The odds are meant for us to lose because of the payout
The zero is in place and it comes to collect
*This SOB will test your system with everything its got when you least expect it*
So the million dollar question is...
How do we win at the game of roulette?
How do we create something that can manage the swings?
How can we compensate for the zero or the uneven payout?
Looking at it at face value WE CANT! Crunch the numbers the math says that we CANT!
Many members have found a way to WIN! "By creating a game within the game"
Here is some information to help you out
1.You have to create your own world using the spins - In this world the game play has to be short. Where if you get on a bad run its controlled. The bad run will last maybe a couple spins and then new game starts.
2.Needs dependency, The spins need to mean something to each other. There has to be a reason why this number and this number go together or why this and that make this pattern **THAT YOU CREATED**
3.You need to have a plan for every situation. Nothing can catch you by surprise. Everything should be expected.
If your game has a limit whats the solution? Is there a way to minimize the affect?
Your world, Your rules!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 17, 11:44 PM 2017
"By creating a game within the game"
I have seen this many times, but do not fully comprehend what that means.
This is my interpretation.
Use cycles (dozens (3 elements), columns(3 elements), Quads(4 elements), Lines(6 elements), whatever).
Look for a repeat of an element within the current cycle. Generally the same element that completed the PREVIOUS cycle.
Does this seem correct to you MoneyT101 ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Aug 17, 11:55 PM 2017
I have seen this many times, but do not fully comprehend what that means.
This is my interpretation.
Use cycles (dozens (3 elements), columns(3 elements), Quads(4 elements), Lines(6 elements), whatever).
Look for a repeat of an element within the current cycle. Generally the same element that completed the PREVIOUS cycle.
Does this seem correct to you MoneyT101 ?
when i say "a game within a game", create a platform that will be your environment for which your going to use to get your data and base your information on. For example there is a thread about repeats and using 37 spins as a cycle
The game is 37 spins, now within that game your playing for repeats after a certain amount of times it appears. You see you created this platform and within that game your picking your game.
Cycles are used to kind of organize the data. Give it some order.
a line being tracked by cycles can mean a whole different thing depending on the perspective.....a line is inside a dozen which might also be part of an EC :smile:
This might be a reference to the pigeonhole theory or not :thumbsup:
is this an example of a "game within a game"
1) Track dozens by cycles
and simultaneously
2) Track columns by cycles
If Dozens tracking indicates to bet Dozen 2 (element 2 )
and Column tracking indicates to bet Column C (element C )
then we bet Numbers 15,18,21,24 (straight up, or split)
This bet will only continue for probably 1 or 2 spins (maximum 3 spins unless a win occurs), at which time either
A) win occurs
or
B) One (or both) of the tracking cycles indicate a different defining element
"Each spin is brand new information and the past cant help the future spins!"-MoneyT101
True. Human beings however need random to make sense imo. That's why we track past spins & build systems around those.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 18, 03:57 AM 2017
"Each spin is brand new information and the past cant help the future spins!"-MoneyT101
True. Human beings however need random to make sense imo. That's why we track past spins & build systems around those.
Its never really random. Its all just cause and effect. The reason you can't beat rng is because you can't link the cause and effect in a way that changes prediction accuracy.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 18, 04:15 AM 2017
Its never really random. Its all just cause and effect. The reason you can't beat rng is because you can't link the cause and effect in a way that changes prediction accuracy.
You question people about their claims and to prove their claims. It seems in this post you made your own claim.
I wasn't aware about the new roulette computers that predict rng. Share with the rest of us and prove your claim.
How do we beat rng with cause and effect and link the prediction accuracy?
I never claimed to be able to beat rng. Where on earth did you read otherwise? I assume you misunderstood me.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 18, 06:01 AM 2017
I never claimed to be able to beat rng. Where on earth did you read otherwise? I assume you misunderstood me.
Yes I guess I misunderstand the last comment.
All i mean is we lose when payouts are unfair for the odds. This happens with rng, real wheels, horse racing, sports betting and all.
If we can't predict the outcome then nothing changes.
Btw Steve thank you for opening the next part of my speaking cause I'm bored topic.... PREDICTION
Based on what I shared in my opening post we can't predict. If predicting was NOT AN OPTION.
What other form of game play can we use to win?
Add this with the other 3 steps
4. Create a game that doesn't have to be about predicting. Predicting doesn't work - unlesss your using that remote viewing or a super computer or any other form that's not conventional and/or that requires technology.
Can we create a game that wins without predicting?
🤔
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Aug 18, 12:43 AM 2017
is this an example of a "game within a game"
1) Track dozens by cycles
and simultaneously
2) Track columns by cycles
If Dozens tracking indicates to bet Dozen 2 (element 2 )
and Column tracking indicates to bet Column C (element C )
then we bet Numbers 15,18,21,24 (straight up, or split)
This bet will only continue for probably 1 or 2 spins (maximum 3 spins unless a win occurs), at which time either
A) win occurs
or
B) One (or both) of the tracking cycles indicate a different defining element
No because this game will lose. Your trying to predict and to many numbers will beat you. We don't know which numbers will come out and anything can happen.
What about if you create a bet in a way that includes those same numbers and at the same time covers maybe a few more in case you get burned?
Just thinking 15,18,21,24 maybe something like a combination of odd and high , pigeons falling into the same hole 🤔
The payouts never change. All that's possible to change is your odds of winning.
How can you do that without predicting? (Excluding stealing chips)
Calculate EV, var for multiple streams, bet when Var(xyz) exceeds ascertain value.
Nothing is ever due even after extreme imbalance. Its all still cause and effect.
I still believe a hg could exist purely because there's so much we don't know. But expecting something is due is well tested and doesn't work at least in the context of balance.
Something new is needed.
Cause/effect is one form of 'insider info' if it exist in roulette. There're other forms, EV/var is another but that depends on the quality of the model.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 18, 06:59 AM 2017
The payouts never change. All that's possible to change is your odds of winning.
How can you do that without predicting? (Excluding stealing chips)
Cht nice post, falkor has a current topic
Anybody have any ideas on how to pick winners and not predict?
Come on now don't be shy
How is picking winners different from predicting?
How is it different from trying to change the odds?
Cause and effect is not "insider info". It just means a winning number doesn't happen from fairytales. It happens because of logic, variables and reason.
All models involve the collection of variables data, some legal others illegal, some allowed others not allowed. The numbers are crunched to generate probabilities and stats upon which the decision is made.
The model itself is built on logic, physics, math, time travel.....whatever is plausible.
It's 'insider info' as this is not available to the general public. That's if it exist in the first place.
We can't predict particular outcomes. But we can predict(for 99,99% of the time) some things that happen in a cycle of spins.
For example, we can expect(predict?) to have in a 37 cycle any 2 dozens to hit at least 16 times 99,99% of the time (not sure of this numbers right now, it's just an example, would need to test it).
We can't predict when they will hit, but could we come up with some kind of a betting progression that makes use of this information (it's a complex thing, that would have to consider how many spins we had so far, current profit/loss and expected wins/losses for further spins until end of cycle). Eventually we can define any cycle and any betting pattern, and figure out the limits of the pattern within the cycle, and find a 'fitting' and dynamic progression that wins most of the cycles played. It's not an easy exercise.
Cht and vladir I agree, we can get data and make use of it based on the probability of past data.
Calculated movements based on the limits of MATH
Many math guys use the data and say numbers don't lie. Very true statement.
BUT WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALIZE. The way I use the past info might not be the way you use the past info. Your data says one thing and my data says another.
In both situation math doesn't fail. 😱
How is that possible?
The beauty of this game! Spins are independent 🚨
This means I can take spin 1 and and spin 5 and play a different game then I am playing with spin 2 and spin 6. While at the same time during spin 1and 5 play two games that have nothing to do with each other. Using the same data but differently 😱😏
Test your theories extensively.
It shouldn't take long. Code rx or. excel. Or just use the free software i published. Test properly then move on to something that hasn't already been tested a trillion times.
I'm not anti system. I'm anti repeat the same thing.
What we look for is the frequency exceeds the payout. For most models, the test will fail under 10k spins.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 18, 08:55 AM 2017
Test your theories extensively.
It shouldn't take long. Code rx or. excel. Or just use the free software i published. Test properly then move on to something that hasn't already been tested a trillion times.
I'm not anti system. I'm anti repeat the same thing.
Yet, here you go again repeating the same thing. Same old, same old.
Ever wonder why i keep saying the same thing?
Speaking off the same thing......
rrbrbbbb, repeaters, hot, cold, sleepers, wakers, consistent wining bet, trots, pigeons, roofing, progression etc etc.
Keep in mind the truth will not change. Its it a bad thing i keep repeating it?
Its not mere opinion. Its all fact anyone can verify for themselves.
Anyone can do simple tests and see why old approaches waste time. Try something new. Is it such bad advice?
Steve, because YOU can't understand it doesn't mean it's the same thing!
Don't be quick to brush things off because you seen so much of the same thing.
Dyksexlic began the cycle talk and restarting on repeats ( I don't see any mention before him)
Redd brought different approaches and views and differential betting
Pri touched up on the same information with different approach to open your eyes to the possibility
Mix all the information together with what I am posting. Or mix it with what falkor is talking about in his recent thread.
Add this to this mix....
How can I lose when I am covering every number 😂
Now my understanding of all the info is still new so testing possibilities and trying to come up with ideas.
But the pigeons are real 😂, once that understanding comes things start falling into the right place
🐦🕳🐦
The earlier guys proposed different carpet formats. Winkel stands out, he looks at distribution.
Quote from: cht on Aug 18, 11:07 AM 2017
The earlier guys proposed different carpet formats. Winkel stands out, he looks at distribution.
Cycles are distribution!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 17, 11:44 PM 2017
Each spin is brand new information and the past cant help the future spins!
A gambler isn't betting on the wheel, he's betting on the statistics. Past data would appear to be relevant due to the sampling.
The numbers reset on the next spin. So its like the wheel is starting fresh but the DATA REMAINS... THE STATISTICS REMAINS!
For example, the chances of the black color hit in a sequence of ten spins are much higher than in just one spin.
And what else can we do besides using the past data?
Watch David McCandless visualization video if you wish to try something new.
"Let the dataset change your mindset."
If you've not seen it you don't know what's in it. Just ask the right question.
Quote from: cht on Aug 19, 04:11 AM 2017
Watch David McCandless visualization video if you wish to try something new.
cht, Thanks for the recommendation.
Interesting video, IMO he says don't take the numbers at face value.
Instead all numbers must have a common denominator so they can be compared equally on the same basis.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zg-C8AAIGg
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 17, 11:48 PM 2017
Here is some information to help you out
1.You have to create your own world using the spins - In this world the game play has to be short. Where if you get on a bad run its controlled. The bad run will last maybe a couple spins and then new game starts.
2.Needs dependency, The spins need to mean something to each other. There has to be a reason why this number and this number go together or why this and that make this pattern **THAT YOU CREATED**
3.You need to have a plan for every situation. Nothing can catch you by surprise. Everything should be expected.
If your game has a limit whats the solution? Is there a way to minimize the affect?
Your world, Your rules!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 18, 06:46 AM 2017
4. Create a game that doesn't have to be about predicting. Predicting doesn't work - unlesss your using that remote viewing or a super computer or any other form that's not conventional and/or that requires technology.
Can we create a game that wins without predicting?
🤔
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 18, 09:56 AM 2017
How can I lose when I am covering every number 😂
🐦🕳🐦
This is the first stage and the stage that CHE found with his consistent bet. I believe he had losing games 1 out of 100 games. This bet will make you money but it's detectable if you play in a casino
Now the advanced version of this is using stitch bets and parallel games to increase the difficulty and increase the profit and harder to get noticed. It will look like random bets.
My programming skills aren't good so I will do what I can in excel to show a chart later
Here is a screenshot chart of 3 games to 1000 spins
when i calculated everything i forgot to add the zero and i got lazy to include it afterward. SO each time zero shows up i lose $1...calculate avg zero appearance in 1000 spins times 1 and subtract i guess
Bankroll at $2538 at 500 spins...final well over 4500
Bankroll at $2961 at 500 spins...final well over 5000
Bankroll at $2610 at 500 spins...final well over 5000
All flat bet using $9 as one unit
I could have done 2000 spins, 10,000 spins. But there is no point, this is flatbetting!
Nice! So your "game" is playing based around a repeat, right? And does "short" mean the limit of the repeat has to happen within few spins as possible? I always get confused by those two terms...
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 23, 01:04 PM 2017
Nice! So your "game" is playing based around a repeat, right? And does "short" mean the limit of the repeat has to happen within few spins as possible? I always get confused by those two terms...
I play every spin....repeat i lose anything else i WIN O0 :twisted:
Those graphs are impressive, MoneyT101.
May I ask R u doing repeats of dozens or EC?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 23, 01:49 PM 2017
Those graphs are impressive, MoneyT101.
May I ask R u doing repeats of dozens or EC?
A.
EC mixed with numbers
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 02:05 PM 2017
EC mixed with numbers
Is that with stitching (the confusing version) or without stitching (the noticeable version)? Or both versions using EC mixed with numbers?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 10:33 AM 2017
This bet will make you money but it's detectable if you play in a casino
Hi there
Congratulations on your graphs! :thumbsup:
This quoted sentence is interesting to me in the way you said it. Why did you used word detectable? Being said that way sounds to me that casinos are aware of existence of that strategy and all they need is to recognize it in use?
Best
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 23, 02:25 PM 2017
Is that with stitching (the confusing version) or without stitching (the noticeable version)? Or both versions using EC mixed with numbers?
no stitching involved, this is the basic version
Ec bet wins 25%
Ec and numbers win 25%
numbers only win 50%
overall effect bankroll rises flatbet
This is not what redd or pri is doing. There version is much more advanced but i am happy with this and ill continue to learn and study and evolve as time passes. But first i will start to work on building a bankroll
I shared enough information in my last couple of post to figure it out and where to look. Im still testing because normally i create something and looks good and then it fails lol....only difference with this now and before is that no progression is used :thumbsup:
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 23, 02:49 PM 2017
Hi there
Congratulations on your graphs! :thumbsup:
This quoted sentence is interesting to me in the way you said it. Why did you used word detectable? Being said that way sounds to me that casinos are aware of existence of that strategy and all they need is to recognize it in use?
Best
I honestly dont know why i used this specific word... but if i play next to anyone with experience they will understand the bet by looking at it and the past spins. So im positive a casino can track based on my play, which is why i want to add another game to be played to throw things off. I want it to look random like im playing everything to land a win anywhere.
Thanks Money
I understand. It makes perfect sense, of course.
Vb guys must be laughing on the floor from this. Guy plays EC-s and straights and he is in fear of getting caught. :lol:
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 23, 03:06 PM 2017
Thanks Money
I understand. It makes perfect sense, of course.
Vb guys must be laughing on the floor from this. Guy plays EC-s and straights and he is in fear of getting caught. :lol:
Cheers
When you put it like that :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 02:54 PM 2017
Ec bet wins 25%
Ec and numbers win 25%
numbers only win 50%
overall effect bankroll rises flatbet
A 100% winner - this is mathematically top, nobody can beat this ...
but maybe 1 in a 1000 you loose 1 penny ? please ...
Thanks Mel and congrats! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 23, 02:49 PM 2017
Hi there
Congratulations on your graphs! :thumbsup:
This quoted sentence is interesting to me in the way you said it. Why did you used word detectable? Being said that way sounds to me that casinos are aware of existence of that strategy and all they need is to recognize it in use?
Best
Reddwarf spoke of the same thing as Mel.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 02:05 PM 2017
EC mixed with numbers
"My typical betting method is ECs with usage of straights to complement them."......Priyanka
Straights EC guided, anyone ?
We ALL seem to be on the same page. :lol:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 02:54 PM 2017....only difference with this now and before is that no progression is used :thumbsup:
I've said this from day1,
flatbet.
Quote from: cht on Aug 23, 09:53 PM 2017
"My typical betting method is ECs with usage of straights to complement them."......Priyanka
Straights EC guided, anyone ?
We ALL seem to be on the same page. :lol:
Nice find my friend, I remember when Pri said that
There's enough info in the forums to create a winning bet. It's crazy how a couple of years after Pri topic many ppl have or are figuring out ways to beat the game.
Even tho the math says you can't. Somehow ppl are winning. The math guys continue to doubt instead of trying to figure out, what piece of the puzzle they are missing
Why are you here? Who's here to win?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 10:33 AM 2017
This is the first stage and the stage that CHE found with his consistent bet.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 23, 10:39 PM 2017
There's enough info in the forums to create a winning bet.
How comes you refer to it as a "winning bet"? Is it not a wining game or strategy?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 24, 03:56 AM 2017
How comes you refer to it as a "winning bet"? Is it not a wining game or strategy?
Because this bet doesn't have any layers or extra game. In a way it's mechanical based on the math of the game and just php method.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 24, 11:10 AM 2017
Because this bet doesn't have any layers or extra game. In a way it's mechanical based on the math of the game and just php method.
You mean you play a game or game within a game and then suddenly an opportunity arises to leave those games and place a separate or independent winning bet?