Both MoneyT and myself have access to the same ancient training manual inherited through reddwarf, so indirectly we are both his students, but in all credit to Mel he was the first to crack the HG and with less time on his hands than me! I am by no means jealous and commend him for his achievements. I'm sure I would have already had a winning method myself by now if I never wasted so much time on this one problem of variance control, as I like to clear up all loose ends before tackling the main areas.
The question that's been bugging me for quite some time now: what exactly is the difference between Principle A and Principle B variance control in Cycles? At the end of a dozen cycle we carry over the defining element to the next cycle, thereby creating a butterfly effect with the next cycle being based loosely on the previous. This is called principle a - without that mechanism it's principle b (fresh cycles each time).
1231 - repeat is dozen 1 so that gets carried to the next cycle
1... here we are already influencing the next cycle with dozen 1, so sequences beginning with dozens 2 and 3 are forced to wait.
We learnt from "funny sequences" topic using the same principle a that HL and LH only have a difference of 0 or 1 in terms of variance, but this is because LH can only come after HL has come and vice versa, so there's a lock out. With cycles it's not quite the same, as there's only a partial lockout:
1231
133
3212
22
1 sequences do not need to change to 2 for a 2 sequence - it can happen via a 3 sequence. Let's say we've got:
11
11
11
122
22
212
22
2..
It's still equally-likely whether the next sequence will be 1,2 or 3 - or when a change happens, 50/50 on 1 or 3.
In the end the variance can still have wild swings between 1,2 and 3. So what is exactly is going on here and is there any advantage? We need to keep looking at the evidence till it speaks to us...
Click image to zoom in...
(link:s://s4.postimg.org/xv9qjgcil/Avs_B.png)
CL2o2 3 = Cycle Length 2, Order 2, Defining element 3.
Both A and B have identical stats. A clusters 63% on the defining element and order 1 in the same way that Principle B clusters on just order 1. There are more principle A cycles than B because we save time carrying over the defining element, but besides that something must be different with the variance, but I haven't put my finger on it yet.
What is this actualy. I can see this running for years without a single piece of real field example. All in theory with some kind of allien language.
Quote from: Madi on Aug 23, 06:55 PM 2017
What is this actualy. I can see this running for years without a single piece of real field example. All in theory with some kind of allien language.
Yeah, it's not easy to understand, and terminology has had to be developed along the way (not by me incidentally). How far did you get with your understanding?
Principle A1233 - carry over 3
3...
Principle B1233 - don't carry anything over but start a fresh cycle with a virtual spin.
2...
1233 = Cycle Length 3, Order 3, Defined 3 (CL3o3, 3 for short).
Any original link with basic principle by the author that u can suggest ?
Quote from: Madi on Aug 23, 07:11 PM 2017
Any original link with basic principle by the author that u can suggest ?
First time Priyanka introduced Cycles:
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 25, 12:38 PM 2016
Everythign that happens in roulette happens in a cycle. A cycle starts and ends when a number repeats.
For the dozens, lets see that it will be like this.
19
25
18 â€" This is a dozen cycle of length 2
19
20 â€" This is a dozen cycle of length 1
18
31
1
30 â€" This si a dozen cycle of length 3.
First time "Defining Element" was mentioned:
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 25, 01:03 PM 2016
"Defined" - The dozen which caused the cycle or the dozen that repeated.
20
31
20 - the cycle was defined by the dozen 2
1
31
22 - The cycle was defined by dozen 2 again.
1
8 - cycle was defined by dozen 1
22
18 - cycle was defined by a different dozen - dozen 2.
Principle A confirmed here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.msg152095#msg152095
Reddwarf had this to say about it - not sure if relevant:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.msg155249#msg155249
Order came a bit later.
Thanks falkor. Let me try if i can understand this
Falkor....have you noticed that Charles and his niece, Marcee arnt getting any older?
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 02:15 AM 2017
Falkor....have you noticed that Charles and his niece, Marcee arnt getting any older?
Whose that? Somebody on TV? I haven't watched TV since 9/11.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 24, 03:52 AM 2017
Whose that? Somebody on TV? I haven't watched TV since 9/11.
Its a film
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 24, 03:52 AM 2017I haven't watched TV since 9/11
imagine a world without Game of Thrones....I cant :question:
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 04:25 AM 2017
imagine a world without Game of Thrones....I cant :question:
Yeah I'm loving the new season. The dragon with the blue eye was bit predictable though.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 24, 08:59 AM 2017
Yeah I'm loving the new season. The dragon with the blue eye was bit predictable though.
I thought the last episode was pretty dumb. No?
OK, I'm done with this topic now. I think the answer is simply that playing 2-3 cycles has different stats to playing just 1 cycle. I don't think the variance is actually affected after all. Will Madi come back with something? Anything else to be gleaned here? I doubt it...
(link:s://s28.postimg.org/lidx8s1xp/principleb.png)
(link:s://s28.postimg.org/vr6eelpzh/3cycles.png)
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 02:15 AM 2017
Falkor....have you noticed that Charles and his niece, Marcee arnt getting any older?
Your other post says its from the movie "A Beautiful Mind"
Turner, are you dropping a hint ?
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Aug 24, 12:48 PM 2017
Your other post says its from the movie "A Beautiful Mind"
Turner, are you dropping a hint ?
Yeah, several peeps here believe I have schizophrenia (Turner and Praline have both come out and suggested as such), yet they don't even know the earth is flat nor who is responsible for printing their money! They cannot evaluate evidence, and turn a blind eye to twin towers being turned to dust as well as the pre-planning of any Jewish genocides by the people who claimed to be fighting it. Little do they realise how vulnerable their own minds are - naive is an understatement!
falkor2k15,
What I was asking turner is if he was dropping a hint about roulette ? Perhaps how old a group is (number, dozen, column, quad, line, or however you want to define a group).
Regarding your beliefs, I agree with you on most of them, but I choose to keep quiet because people must find out for themselves.
About who is responsible for printing their money, lets just say in the summer of 2000 I met G Edward Griffin and got an autographed copy of his book
The Creature from Jekyll Island.
I realized a long time ago that when people say "Im mad, I am", they arnt mad at all because mad people dont have any inclination that they are mad
Mad people are mad because they dont possess the capability to live in the real world and believe reality. Lucky for us, the mad are a very small % of society, so those who are "normal" (for want of a better word) have many others to confide in and realize that the truth is that the majority of society are living in the correct world.
Sorry Falkor, but you mentioned me so I am responding.
You sit there studying your roulette and probabilities, and dont see the probability that proves that the world is as 7.4 billion see it. Its not as the other 0.1 billion see it, because they are statistically mad.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 24, 01:11 PM 2017Yeah, several peeps here believe I have schizophrenia (Turner and Praline have both come out and suggested as such), yet they don't even know the earth is flat
"I am not mad, but the earth is flat"
Do you see how ridiculous this complete contradiction of terms is to the massive majority of 7.4 billion?
Or are you mad?
Turner don't worry, he aint the full ticket
Quote from: Turner on Aug 24, 07:01 PM 2017
I realized a long time ago that when people say "Im mad, I am", they arnt mad at all because mad people dont have any inclination that they are mad
Mad people are mad because they dont possess the capability to live in the real world and believe reality. Lucky for us, the mad are a very small % of society, so those who are "normal" (for want of a better word) have many others to confide in and realize that the truth is that the majority of society are living in the correct world.
Sorry Falkor, but you mentioned me so I am responding.
You sit there studying your roulette and probabilities, and dont see the probability that proves that the world is as 7.4 billion see it. Its not as the other 0.1 billion see it, because they are statistically mad.
"I am not mad, but the earth is flat"
Do you see how ridiculous this complete contradiction of terms is to the massive majority of 7.4 billion?
Or are you mad?
I'm sorry Turner, but you and the billions of others are slaves (for want of a better word) living in an oligarchy disguised as a democracy - but you cannot see the reality - so that clouds your judgement. If only you could take the time out to watch the following
first 8 minutes only then you might just become a man instead of being a sheep (no offense!):
That's all I'm asking of you!
Go away
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 24, 07:27 PM 2017That's all I'm asking of you!
I watched the first 8 mins.
I often wondered if they would make a Matrix 4...Reeves still looks good for his age so its not inconceivable
Having the twin towers in the film will upset many, but hey, the Wachowskis are never far from pushing the boundaries.....they both had sex changes.
I may go and see it....but Im not in a rush
Now....John Wick 3 ??
Im in!
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=MAHTpFhT5AU
Optional: Skip to 1 hour, 41 minutes, 36 seconds, and you can see footage of the firemen walking through the debris looking for survivors. But where are the tons of rubble that would account for all those buildings?? :question: IT'S MISSING!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 25, 03:27 AM 2017
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=MAHTpFhT5AU
Optional: Skip to 1 hour, 41 minutes, 36 seconds, and you can see footage of the firemen walking through the debris looking for survivors. But where are the tons of rubble that would account for all those buildings?? :question: IT'S MISSING!
In my world, and around 7 Billion others, It doesnt matter.
You dont mention one life in all this. Just fkin dust and rubble and alien towers floating . People died and their families are devastated. The firemen put their life on the line. They are heros. Thats what concerns me.
I changed the batteries in my granddaughters doll last night, chased her round the house, took her home and went to Tesco. Got a nice bottle of SA red 14% and watched The Walking Dead with the wife. (Im glad Morgans back, I like him)
Thats what I do....live in the real world.
Welcome to the real world Falkor
Quote from: Turner on Aug 25, 04:07 AM 2017
In my world, and around 7 Billion others, It doesnt matter.
You dont mention one life in all this. Just fkin dust and rubble and alien towers floating . People died and their families are devastated. The firemen put their life on the line. They are heros. Thats what concerns me.
I changed the batteries in my granddaughters doll last night, chased her round the house, took her home and went to Tesco. Got a nice bottle of SA red 14% and watched The Walking Dead with the wife. (Im glad Morgans back, I like him)
Thats what I do....live in the real world.
Welcome to the real world Falkor
(link:s://s28.postimg.org/rj7hbhg3x/nrm_1420910082-a99abdac727ddfc3646fe9b55d8b0f10c.jpg)
Please have a re-think about the significance of the evidence and discuss those 8 minutes, and what it means, with your friends and the rest of your family if possible; after all, it has major implications for all your contradictions stated in the paragraph below "It doesnt matter" as well as in your last 2 sentences. In this world you need to protect yourself and your family - just not from Muslims!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 25, 05:10 AM 2017Please have a re-think about the significance of the evidence and discuss those 8 minutes, and what it means, with your friends and the rest of your family if possible; after all, it has major implications for all your contradictions stated in the paragraph below "It doesnt matter" as well as in your last 2 sentences. In this world you need to protect yourself and your family - just not from Muslims!
No, I choose to keep my wife and family thanks by living in the same world they all live in.
You have all the hallmarks of someone who can be easily radicalised.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 25, 03:27 AM 2017
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=MAHTpFhT5AU
Optional: Skip to 1 hour, 41 minutes, 36 seconds, and you can see footage of the firemen walking through the debris looking for survivors. But where are the tons of rubble that would account for all those buildings?? :question: IT'S MISSING!
You are a fuc king idiot.
It's one thing to talk about 9/11 conspiracies
But it's another thing to insinuate they didn't fall
I live in the suburbs of NYC
Trust me, they fell
Talk about whatever conspiracy you want but this makes you look stupid
Get a fuc king life
How can someone who has an obvious core intelligence be embarrassingly stupid at the same time
You like to say we are all slaves living in a controlled matrix of oligarchs
Did you ever think you may be the slave?
We go about our lives
Someone like you spends their entire day talking about this stuff. Living in fear
Your a slave to conspiracy. Wake up jackass.
I yearn for the day this forum will discuss roulette strategies & money management, instead of becoming Fight Club version 2
If you guys want to banter, do it by PM instead of showing it to all members.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 25, 05:10 AM 2017
In this world you need to protect yourself and your family -
The irony of someone calling us all slaves who is so overcome by conspiracy he fears his family.
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Aug 25, 06:38 AM 2017
I yearn for the day this forum will discuss roulette strategies & money management, instead of becoming Fight Club version 2
If you guys want to banter, do it by PM instead of showing it to all members.
We tried that at the start of this topic - it doesn't work! Nobody even replied to my Pigeonhole Principle topics. Roulette is beatable, but you first need to understand that we were lied to about the twin towers - they were dustified before they fell to the ground; the globe earth lies then follow as just another game once we understand how psychological warfare works. Eventually, we will be in a suitable position to question how Gambler's Fallacy was promoted as a false dichotomy regarding our game of Roulette. Here we are!
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Aug 25, 06:38 AM 2017
If you guys want to banter, do it by PM instead of showing it to all members.
I don't want to come across as rude, but you are free to skip threads (like this one) that deal with topics that may not be related to roulette.
Also, there is an "ignore" feature that you can use to avoid having to read posts made by specific users.
The bottom line is that you have the freedom to choose to read and participate in threads that are of interest to you. And, conversely, you also have the freedom to ignore or skip threads that are meaningless to you.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 25, 06:49 AM 2017
We tried that at the start of this topic - it doesn't work! Nobody even replied to my Pigeonhole Principle topics. Roulette is beatable, but you first need to understand that we were lied to about the twin towers - they were dustified before they fell to the ground; the globe earth lies then follow as just another game once we understand how psychological warfare works. Eventually, we will be in a suitable position to question how Gambler's Fallacy was promoted as a false dichotomy regarding our game of Roulette. Here we are!
Your 1980s graphs don't beat roulette.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Aug 25, 06:53 AM 2017
I don't want to come across as rude, but you are free to skip threads (like this one) that deal with topics that may not be related to roulette.
The point is that this topic did start as roulette related, before it fell off the cliff and died
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 25, 06:31 AM 2017
You like to say we are all slaves living in a controlled matrix of oligarchs
Did you ever think you may be the slave?
We go about our lives
Someone like you spends their entire day talking about this stuff. Living in fear
Your a slave to conspiracy. Wake up jackass.
I'm not your enemy - you've got the wrong guy! You are attacking a fellow slave instead of the people who enslaved you:
"The chief pledges present that Cristina daughter of Richard Maleville has married at London without the lord's licence; therefore let the said Richard be distrained. He has made fine with 12 d."
"Geoffrey Coterel for trespass in the hay; fine, 6 d."
"Hugh Wiking in mercy for delay in doing his works; fine, 6 d"
"Walter Ash in mercy for not making suit to the lord's mill; fine, 6 d."
"Adam White in mercy for bad mowing; fine, 6 d."
link:://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/halsall/seth/bec1280.asp
No
You are a slave
You devote your life to this. It consumes you. You openly stated you fear your family
Who is the slave ?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 25, 07:50 AM 2017
No
You are a slave
You devote your life to this. It consumes you. You openly stated you fear your family
Who is the slave ?
Just admit you're also a slave, and that your life has been a complete lie. We can then try to work as a team to get a winning roulette strategy and break free of our servitude; how does that sound? I don't want you being the guy that got left behind in Alcatraz.
I'm fully aware of conspiracies
I just don't let it enslave me
Your thought process is so skewed I actually feel sorry for you
Part of me thinks you are just messing with us
As turner once said. What a waste of intelligence.
The biggest conspiracy on this planet is health
The pharmaceutical industry keeping us sick for profit
Sick care not health care.
They surpress cures.