Alright 8) I try to explain this in a easy way, but it's little complicated to explain,..
Good results from the first tests. this is a hit'n run system (it won't win forever?)
This mainly wheel-based, but also partly carpet based, (i made the bet easy, for being a wheel-bet,)
The basic idea is very simple; You wait for 2 hits on one part of the wheel (trigger) THEN for the next 3 spins you bet that the *other side* of the wheel will hit any of the 12 numbers bet (12/18 numbers bet on that other Side of the wheel) 6 Blacks + 6 Red numbers,...
And the carpet layout will be perfect for this purpose- (as you may know?)
RED HIGH+BLACK LOW numbers (one part of the wheel)
RED LOW+BLACK HIGH numbers (the other part of the wheel)
This must be clearly understood, because the trigger & bet is based on this /Half the wheel/ (carpet layout)
OK, so i'll try to explain the trigger bet. as i mentioned the Trigger IS 2 hits one part of the wheel (in any combination of the above mentioned groups) for an example
Red Low, Red Low (TRIGGER) or Red Low, Black High (TRIGGER) or Black High+Red Low (TRIGGER),
so, now you understood the trigger, now i'll explain the BET;
When you got a (TRIGGER) what you bet? you bet 6 BLACK numbers and 6 RED numbers on the opposite side of the wheel, (for the next 3 spins) Stop/Restart if hit OR if any of the unbet numbers within the groups bet hit (OR if zero hit-That's how i play)..for an example
Let's say Red High, Black Low hits (TRIGGER) (number 4, DS 1/6 ) hits...now the bet would be;
All REDs in DS 7/12 & DS 13/18 (Current hit DS 1/6, is *not bet*) AND... All BLACK High (all except the last *Black High DS hit*) Let's say last Black hit was 35 (DS 31/36) is *not bet*, so now- the bet would be all BLACKs in (DS 19/24) & (DS 25/30) ---> but not DS (31/36)..
OK That's pretty much the basics, (sorry for my bad english, perhaps i can make a video-demonstration, if anyone is interested).. or if there is something else you dont understand feel free to ask, (it's very simple system,..)
Progression -none- FLATBET
8/10 Games won
(First tests was played with 5u bets)
wingoal: +200u-500u
Stoploss: -200u-500u
...tried to make a video-demo, but camstudio f*ckt up >:( ...i'll try again
anyway, here is how that session ended;
more spins...
3 Games lost
11 Games won
Now ofcourse this could be played differently, for an example with a -200u/+200 stoploss/wingoal, ...(i played with 5u bets and -500/+500 just for demonstration)...
more spins... (still tryin to make a video and camstudio not working) :/
OK, so what do we got so far
4 losses
12 wins
That's about a 75% winrate (12/16) so far,...BUT for being FLATBET i think it's not so bad at all? Furthermore, the +100/-100 W/L, or +500/-500 is good. I don't think changning stoploss or wingoal would make much difference OR PERHAPS you could set the Stoploss to -300, wingoal +500...? It's just an idea?
OK, so i finally made a video-demo O0
13/17 Games won
That was a tough session, but won in the End.
I don't think the stoploss should be changed (-100u minumum playing with 1u bets) and (-500u playing with 5u bets) since i've seen severeal times how the trend can change, from being low, then go up, and finally reaching the wingoal....
14/18 Games won Again, this is just for demonstration, i try to figure out a better MM-plan now, we'll see...i just have to finish these 20 sessions first, IF you playing highroller, like 25u bets, or even 5u bets (scary enough) you don't have time for this type of MM;--im thinking, QUIT, after 2 wins in a Row for an example (if your BR is still positive) and the reverse, QUIT after 2 losses in a row...i see what i can do with this, if it's possible?
(btw. AGAIN it happened, down at -300u THEN a sudden rise/recovery and wingoal was reached).
15/19 Games won
16/20 Games won FLATBET O0 That's an 80% winrate.
Hi, just want to make something clear. You said:
"When you got a (TRIGGER) what you bet? you bet 6 BLACK numbers and 6 RED numbers on the opposite side of the wheel, (for the next 3 spins) Stop/Restart if hit OR if any of the unbet numbers within the groups bet hit (OR if zero hit-That's how i play)..for an example"
So let's say we get numbers 4, 3 and 26, so we bet High Reds (except 25-27-30) and low blacks (except 2-4-6); next number is 4... so we stop betting and wait for next trigger? (since 4 is an unbet numbers within the groups bet)
Looks like a great system BTW, 80% winrate flatbet... wow.
Quote from: Noreilles on Sep 25, 10:19 AM 2017So let's say we get numbers 4, 3 and 26, so we bet High Reds (except 25-27-30) and low blacks (except 2-4-6); next number is 4... so we stop betting and wait for next trigger? (since 4 is an unbet numbers within the groups bet)
Yes, that's correct! :) thx !
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 25, 03:24 AM 2017
13/17 Games won
That was a tough session, but won in the End.
I don't think the stoploss should be changed (-100u minumum playing with 1u bets) and (-500u playing with 5u bets) since i've seen severeal times how the trend can change, from being low, then go up, and finally reaching the wingoal....
Ignatus, please explain why playing with 5u bets makes you use a 500 units stop-loss when compared to 1 u bets where you advise 100 units as stop-loss?
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 01:56 PM 2017
Ignatus, please explain why playing with 5u bets makes you use a 500 units stop-loss when compared to 1 u bets where you advise 100 units as stop-loss?
Well? These limits are just imaginary, i've been using these limits for several years through my testings (+100/-100 wingoal/Stoploss for 1u bets)....doesn't make sense no? agree?, (5u bets that is +500/-500 wingoal/stoploss)...
but Then today i've been thinking these limits doesn't work in reality when you play Highroller stakes, for an example with 25u bets.....as i mentioned i was thinking about another MM plan for Highroller--like Quit after 2 wins in a row. or Quit after 2 losses in a row, (That would still require a pretty large BR with 25u bets), I've never played with Highroller stakes for Real, but i imagine that's the way you play higher stakes (As mentioned by Mr.J) for an example -He was playing for real, with 100u bets and Quit after 1 hit. Well? You can share your ideas and use what MM suites you best? This is what i figure,? I'm still learning..... cheers
Is it possible that you mixed up units and value? Playing with 1 u bets (if one base unit equals 1$) you need 100$ and you hold 100 one dollar chips in your hand. Using 5 units per game makes the value of one unit 5$, so 100 units will cost you $500 but you still have only a 100 pieces or chips in your hand as a stop-loss? Only the 100 units have cost you 500$.
So again, could you have mixed up the number of units with the cost of the units, or does playing with 5$ chips increases the need for a higher stop-loss, so that the
500 units would cost you $2500?
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:24 PM 2017Is it possible that you mixed up units and value?
Yes, these limits doesn't make any sense,..:/ but all my testings done with these limits, (for demonstration) playin with 1u bets, perhaps can make sense,? but then with 5u bets (for me that's already highroller) --i am poor, and i would be a real daredevil if i played with 5u stakes or higher... :S use your own MM, this is not my expertise, since i haven't played *for real* enough, (in real conditions), to tell what works and what doesn't work, ... :/
Hi IG
sorry poor images, but i like the idea of you now using the wheel for your methods.
Ok lets step back in time, to when in europe the wheel was like the American wheel, read some where that blanc bros wanted to attract more custom, so made the present euro wheel.
Did the 0/00 wheels really get shipped over to the USA? or just the design?
Anyway, think about it, you're going to design a new wheel, they come up with the 0 design of today, why did they not change the mat? as we see there still the same.
So whilst designing the euro ring, they'd have to check every combination of bets, to see faults or possible advantages to the players. So has every combo been checked, have they missed just one combo bet? imagine finding a bet selection that made just 1 unit all the time, you'd just need 1 win a day.
Some time ago someone posted in maacu a wheel exactly like the mat, don't believe it's still there, would the wheel being the same order as the mat make it any easier to win?
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Hi Ignatus.
After "testing" the system on old spins and liking what I saw, I decided to give it a try with real money.
Started Sunday night, initial BR of $60 (so started out with either +60 or -60 as a session objective). I play online, so I play the system "hit and run" style: 1 win per table or until the trigger is spent as per the rules you put in 1st post, including stop on 0.
First game went extremely well, since I won all 3 tables on 1st bet, so a +72 win. Next game was a little more back and forth (went twice to my last bet), but finished with my +60; end of day 1 at 192 (+132).
Yesterday was Thanksgiving here in Canada, so I had more time to play (changed my objective to +/- 72): won 3 games at +72, changed objective to +/- 108 but lost 2 games in a row :'( so lowered objective again to +/- 72, won another one, lost again, then won 3 (+84,+72,+84) and called it a day, BR now at 432.
Today raised objective again to +/-108 and after 4 games (W,L,W,W) my BR is now 648. So after 17 games, that's 4 losses and 12 wins for +588... so my winrate is a bit lower than yours at 75% but it gets the job done!
What can I say but thanks!
I'll keep you updated every few days on the W/L ratio if you're interested.
My advice to anyone who wants to try it:
- even though I didn't follow this rule, I suggest an initial BR of 3 times your game objective (so if you aim for +60, initial BR should be 180)
- don't go higher than +/- 108 units as a game objective, otherwise the drawdown can take a LONG time to climb out of
- manage your BR wisely... before upping your unit value, I suggest at least 4 or 5 BR (I'll wait for a total BR of 800 before upping my unit value to $2, and $1500 for $3 should I get there)
- remember to follow the rules; I know it sucks leaving a trigger after a 0 hits for example (especially when it's the 3rd one in a row on 3 different tables; and no, I still managed to win that game...), but do it anyway
- Agressive way to play (I do it now that my BR is padded): if I get to a table, and there's an active trigger with 1 or 2 losses already (say, numbers 3, 26 (active trigger), 20), I'll use the trigger and bet 2 units per number on my 1st bet only that way on a win I win +48 and if I lose I use the trigger only once more at 1 unit per number (unless I lost with a 0, then I switch table).
Quote from: Noreilles on Oct 11, 12:41 AM 2017
Hi Ignatus.
After "testing" the system on old spins and liking what I saw, I decided to give it a try with real money.
Today raised objective again to +/-108 and after 4 games (W,L,W,W) my BR is now 648. So after 17 games, that's 4 losses and 12 wins for +588... so my winrate is a bit lower than yours at 75% but it gets the job done!
What can I say but thanks!
I'll keep you updated every few days on the W/L ratio if you're interested.
Hi Noreilles :)
That's amazing!! :love: I say thank you for testing and playing and reminding me that this one works, in real conditions, in real casinos, (i will consider playing this also, ....but i'll do more testings first),
and YES, i want to know about your progress with this one!! :thumbsup:
Finally a system that can turn the tables on the casinos
How do you know it wasn't luck? Every day millions of players achieve even better results with random bets.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 05:57 AM 2017
How do you know it wasn't luck? Every day millions of players achieve even better results with random bets.
Of course is luck, this system can win as long as you lucky, once you are unlucky you can either give the money back + interests to the house or give your entire bankroll to the house
Quote from: Steve on Oct 11, 05:57 AM 2017How do you know it wasn't luck?
Guess im lucky then, and start focus on this one and do more testings, an average of 70%-80% winrate usually is the stats from a decent "random bet" , but this was not entirely "random"?, since it's based upon that idea that after 2-3 hits on one side of the wheel, the other side should be hit, and yes? it's a fallacy, but then hitrate is not so bad....we'll see,..
HIT & RUN System
12*6 = 72u BR
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1*72= 72u (1u bets)
5*72= 360u (5u bets)
25*72= 1800u (25u bets)
===================
+TRIGGER= *2 Triggers* (3 hits) of the same side of the wheel,
(before betting the Other side of the wheel)
+QUIT After any *2 wins* in a row -A "win" is a hit within spin 1-2 (out of 3)
(IF BR is *positive* or else contine play until 2 hits in a row, until BR is positive)
+QUIT After BR is lost (OR After 2 losses in a row)
8/10 Games won (played with 5u bets)
calculating wins/losses (from the Hit & Run sessions)
losses
-360
-360
======
-720
wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440
Total= +720u
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 11, 07:36 AM 2017
calculating wins/losses (from the Hit & Run sessions)
losses
-360
-360
======
-720
wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440
Total= +720u
Finally a system that can win, win and keep winning untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 11, 08:22 AM 2017
Finally a system that can win, win and keep winning untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG
I played with 5u bets in my example, if you want to take a less risk play with smaller stakes 1u--> divide all my calculations and results by 5.
80% winrate for a FLATBET system,
is not bad, even if it would sometime preform worse than that, i believe it can be profitable,...as has been proved by noreilles...
losses
-360
-360
======
-720
wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440
Total= +720u
...untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG
Take this example, (or your own mm) then you can calculate the worst case scenario, --it would take 2-3 more losses to break even or a drawdown (5/10) or (6/10) sure these events CAN happen, ....test it yourself, and see? how many 7/10 or 8/10 you got ... etc
My second full "hit and run"/system i've got a 9/10. 8)
calculating wins/losses (from the SECOND Hit & Run sessions)
losses
-360
======
-360
wins
+180
+180
+120
+120
+120
+120
+120
+120
+180
======
+1260
Total= +900u
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 11, 04:37 PM 2017Here a system (18 numbers) that wins flatbet ... will your system survive and come ahead after thousands of spins?
Idk? and it doesn't matter? i don't play 1000s of spins, real play, i go for 2 hits or 2 losses then im done. and it has been working good so far, if you gonna critizise me, then you can come up with data...speculation is useless
i've done my testings, and i've shown my results...that's all i can do, ? Can you show your data (about This system, not yours?) Start your own thread if you want to discuss another system? And furthermore, someone just won real money playing this system, ?...
Quotewill your system survive and come ahead after thousands of spins?
would yours do it...i do not think so :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Didn't you see ?
The system won flatbetting.
Check again
You've could have posted that between code tags. My scroll thumb is now sore.
Quote from: celescliff on Oct 12, 03:05 AM 2017
You've could have posted that between code tags. My scroll thumb is now sore.
Sorry !
Let's get Steve or turner delete it.
Anyway, this was copy/ paste of the tracking for more than 60k spins..
One thing for sure, the system can win !
For sure ? Why are you sure ?
(Don't take this wrong but recently you posted few methods that lose without a doubt. You even push Andre to play his system wich wil lose also without a doubt. Last days you talk you know it all and figured the game out.)
So why are you sure ?
I'm curious to your answer :thumbsup:
Yeah we've heard it all before.
Post the rules or it didn't happen.
QuoteFor sure ? Why are you sure ?
(Don't take this wrong but recently you posted few methods that lose without a doubt. You even push Andre to play his system wich wil lose also without a doubt. Last days you talk you know it all and figured the game out.)
So why are you sure ?
I'm curious to your answer :thumbsup:
exactly
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 04:08 AM 2017
For sure ? Why are you sure ?
(Don't take this wrong but recently you posted few methods that lose without a doubt. You even push Andre to play his system wich wil lose also without a doubt. Last days you talk you know it all and figured the game out.)
So why are you sure ?
I'm curious to your answer :thumbsup:
Hey Denzie, where have you been all that time ?
You were probably making some millions, right ?
The system is dynamic and is Winner, didn't you see ? Or you think I am liar ?
It might blow your mind, it's innovated, I tested it yesterday and was impressed by the outcome
Andre method is a loser system, I told him that but that doesn't mean he will lose soon
QuoteHey Denzie, where have you been all that time ?
You were probably making some millions, right ?
The system is dynamic and is Winner, didn't you see ? Or you think I am liar ?
It might blow your mind, it's innovated, I tested it yesterday and was impressed by the outcome
Andre method is a loser system, I told him that but that doesn't mean he will lose soon
great now you got HG...how much is it..dont be shy
Quote from: maestro on Oct 12, 04:35 AM 2017
great now you got HG...how much is it..dont be shy
Oh my bad!
You making fun of it !
Holy grails HG don't exist, most players lose because of their's holy shits HS!!
Pfff ..what do you want to hear from me ?
QuotePfff ..what do you want to hear from me ?
how much.. :question:
Can you please stop Hijacking my thread? :(
IF you want to discuss something not related to this system, post in another thread
:sad2:
Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 12, 04:30 AM 2017
Hey Denzie, where have you been all that time ?
You were probably making some millions, right ?
The system is dynamic and is Winner, didn't you see ? Or you think I am liar ?
It might blow your mind, it's innovated, I tested it yesterday and was impressed by the outcome
Andre method is a loser system, I told him that but that doesn't mean he will lose soon
Millions?I wish but unfortunately nope. I dd made some cool spare change though
Are you a liar ? Well let's say at this point I'm really not believe you. And this for reasons I mentioned earlier.
But pls...prove me wrong :thumbsup:
IF you want to discuss something not related to this system, please post in another thread,
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 12, 05:12 AM 2017
Can you please stop Hijacking my thread? :(
IF you want to discuss something not related to this system, post in another thread
Hey Ignatius
Sorry, stay cool
To all,
I will stop writing here, if somebody want to follow up he can write in Steve's way thread !
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 12, 05:18 AM 2017
IF you want to discuss something not related to this system, please post in another thread,
Ooops. About your system.... No comment.
Hotzone was your best...But For reasons you don't understand. Take care
Quote from: denzie on Oct 12, 05:23 AM 2017Ooops. About your system.... No comment.
Hotzone was your best...But For reasons you don't understand. Take care
You've seen my test-results(?) 80% winrate Flatbet isn't good enough for you ok...
"Hotspot", is played exactly as "Hotzone", same principle, only with *(2 hotnumbers) within a "hot area" and a 10 numbers sector covering it , (but with progression) i had good results with that one to...
Hi all, it's me again with a mini report.
Well, so far so good... I had a lot less time to play these last 2 days tough (5 games total)... Yesterday was bad, with 2 losses: one LONG roller-coaster (was up 60 at one point), and the other one I did not win even once (3 time 0 in the lot) so 2 losses... Today went the complete opposite: 1st game got my aggressive triggers at the first 3 tables in a row and won each time, so +144 there, second game was also fast, just took longer than 3 spins (no losses again, only wins or break even in that one) and last game was a bit longer again, started downhill but climbed back up steadily with lots of plateau to win; so 3 wins today.
So still alive and kicking and a little ahead but still a little shy of my required $800 BR to play a base 2 units ($792 to be precise); my next report in a few days. Until then, keep winning everyone!
Quote from: Noreilles on Oct 13, 12:31 AM 2017my next report in a few days. Until then, keep winning everyone!
Thanks Noreilles!, you are a true inspiration. Congrats to your winnings, :thumbsup:
On weekends I like to dig through old threads while watching football, playing anything that is both mindless (no tracking, so I can concentrate on the games) and compelling (fallacy, but fallacy that peaks my interest).
Decided to give Iggy's 'Breakout' a try, but extended the trigger to 4 hits on one side of the wheel in a row instead of the default 2.
Even with the added hits to the trigger I still saw enough action to be realistic (a bet occurred approximately every 17 spins on average).
Result: 500 spins (continuous play, Euro wheel, weisbaden downloaded), +310u won (flatbets of 1u-1u-1u on the 3x betting spins).
Probability has any 12 number bet on a 0 wheel hitting 32.4% of the time, but I found that the vast majority of the winning bets occurred on the very first spin. And the safeguard of stopping the bets any time one of the unhit DS zones occurs worked well also.
If you're bored today, give this one a try, it's great.
Good outside the box thinking Iggy, interesting take on wheel sector play that's also easy to bet on the carpet. :thumbsup:
Same system is sold on ebay for approximately 80 euros, i think i had to wait a little more for Ignatus post before i buy it a while ago :( :( :(. The only difference is that if eg. a high red and a low black (triggers ) appear, you pick your DS from the most recent low red and high black have been hit before your 2 triggers within same half . You dont wait as 3rd trigger the immediate hit of a number at opposite half in order to pick the first DS you will exclude. Ignatus what would you say for this?
Quote from: loukoumas on Nov 05, 10:10 AM 2018
Same system is sold on ebay for approximately 80 euros, i think i had to wait a little more for Ignatus post before i buy it a while ago :( :( :(. The only difference is that if eg. a high red and a low black (triggers ) appear, you pick your DS from the most recent low red and high black have been hit before your 2 triggers within same half . You dont wait as 3rd trigger the immediate hit of a number at opposite half in order to pick the first DS you will exclude. Ignatus what would you say for this?
Damn, 80â,¬ ey? yes,...what can i say? There is only one answer? -IF you like a system, (That you want to play for real, in the future) you must test and test and test...And? Find your own tweaks/improvements/compare different results etc? There is no easy way out?
Roulette is about trial and error...
cheers 8)
Can someone explain the triggers? I’m sorry I’m just confused. I watched the video but still not confident that I know what they are. Thanks!
Quote from: drkgd2428 on Nov 06, 10:06 PM 2018
Can someone explain the triggers? I’m sorry I’m just confused. I watched the video but still not confident that I know what they are. Thanks!
If you read the first post it's explained, (and i can't explain it any better than i already did?) sry for my bad english..:s
-
You wait for 2 hits on one part of the wheel (trigger) THEN for the next 3 spins you bet that the *other side* of the wheel-
RED HIGH+BLACK LOW numbers (one part of the wheel)
RED LOW+BLACK HIGH numbers (the other part of the wheel)-Trigger IS 2 hits one part of the wheel (in any combination of the above mentioned groups)
-When you got a (TRIGGER) what you bet? you bet 6 BLACK numbers and 6 RED numbers on the opposite side of the wheel,
But *not* the 2 last hit DS hit within each of those those two groups* (for the next 3 spins) Stop/Restart if hit OR if any of the unbet numbers within the groups bet hit (OR if zero hit-That's how i play).
Hope you understand better
cheers
Ok so it has to be high red+low black OR high black+low red? Those are the only 2 combos. I understand the DS bet. I’ve practiced using only those two triggers with pretty good success I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing triggers
Quote from: drkgd2428 on Nov 07, 11:46 AM 2018Ok so it has to be high red+low black OR high black+low red?
Yes, that's correct. -You *don't* bet the
last 2 hit DS, *within* those two groups (Red/Black)
This just continues to do well for me, I haven't gotten it to fail more than it wins yet...even using my worst system-killer spin-sets that fail everything quickly.
We need to have this coded as it's relatively slow to play. Because of how it works I don't think it's an easy one that you could do Iggy, and Ricky could do it but it might take some time to get it done.
I'll see if he's interested.
Can this system be used on online casino with rng or does it have to be live dealer? Thanks
Quote from: Jamesminnow on Nov 09, 06:18 PM 2018
Can this system be used on online casino with rng or does it have to be live dealer? Thanks
Haven't tested on RNG :S (it was meant for LIVE-wheels) so i have no idea how the RNG result would be.,...
as always *test* before play for real.
Quote from: Jamesminnow on Nov 09, 06:18 PM 2018
Can this system be used on online casino with rng or does it have to be live dealer? Thanks
You also seem to be user
drkgd2428Please let me know which one you want to keep so I can ban the other (not your IP though)
Nice bit of PI John Steed, aka Turner
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 09, 06:44 PM 2018
Nice bit of PI John Steed, aka Turner
I just think a few twats let this forum down. People seem to be enjoying posting again.
Its a one off here. A good forum
Moderation is really low but evident. No ego freaks running the forum like Stalin.
Anyhow, sorry for the interlude. Please continue
This one. I dont know what Drkgd password is so ban that one
Quote from: Jamesminnow on Nov 09, 07:27 PM 2018
This one. I dont know what Drkgd password is so ban that one
cheers mate...sorted
Quote from: Mako on Nov 07, 01:36 PM 2018
This just continues to do well for me, I haven't gotten it to fail more than it wins yet...even using my worst system-killer spin-sets that fail everything quickly.
We need to have this coded as it's relatively slow to play. Because of how it works I don't think it's an easy one that you could do Iggy, and Ricky could do it but it might take some time to get it done.
I'll see if he's interested.
Hi MAko,
I sent you a PM