If there is anything that you are not sure about in the other thread, please ask here and I will do my best to answer it.
Eagerly reading & thanks for posting! :thumbsup:
Very good idea to open a separate thread.
Hello Victor, thank you.
I think this is the best idea and that way things don't get bogged down.
Till now, no doubts :)
Waiting for you to explain the charts :thumbsup:
This seems most intriguing flukey luke!
Keep it coming!
My Best Regards
Thanks guys :thumbsup:
This is just a little aperitif before Victor unleashes the heavy artillery. ;D
It will take a while to write out the betting charts (there are 55 of them :o)
Once that is done, a few examples should tie everything together and then it is good to go.
A massive amount of work and time -- just for us.
So a VERY BIG THANK YOU :thumbsup:
Just a thought but have you considered having this method programmed?
It could make life a lot easier!
One other thing -- I suggest you LOCK your other thread to keep it 'clean' and focussed.
thank you esoito,
If somebody would like to programme the system, I am more than happy to work along with them to get it up and running.
I have explained everything and now it is just a matter of putting up a few more examples tomorrow to tie things together.
Quote from: esoito on Oct 23, 07:50 PM 2010
A massive amount of work and time -- just for us.
So a VERY BIG THANK YOU :thumbsup:
Just a thought but have you considered having this method programmed?
It could make life a lot easier!
One other thing -- I suggest you LOCK your other thread to keep it 'clean' and focussed.
I concur with esoito, thanx very much :)
Also great idea about locking the Thread :thumbsup:
That is a lot of work flukey luke!
I believe you did a great job explaining it clearly in your examples.
I was wondering how much have you tested your method and what is the bankroll requirements. Also if you set a win/loss target per session.
Thanks
Thank you mogwai,
I have tested this and played a lot with it over the last 2/3 years.
First of all, I have to say I am not really a big gambler. Actually, I am pretty risk averse.
So I follow all the rules and use my LW methodology to the letter.
If that means sitting out spins, then so be it. What this does do however is limit my exposure to the house. I find this is great for staying on a very even keel and then you get short winning bursts that build up some profit. (normally at this point, I quit with the winnings and buy dinner) I have NEVER got into trouble playing this. In other words, I can never remember losing a bankroll with it. It is mostly case of holding tight and I can make 20-30 units.
It would be interesting to programme this with all the triggers and timing in place and see how it performs over 50,000 or so placed bets. My inclination is that it would come out in front as long as it was played correctly. I said in my opening post that it was subjective, but I suppose what I really mean by that is that you have to use common sense and it also helps if you have a bit of experience behind you. I don't think it is something a novice could learn in a day and then walk into a casino and start playing it.
Regarding bankroll, I am never prepared to lose more than 100 units in a session, The average bet that you are placing for this system is roughly about 5 units, so like I say, it will never bust out if played properly. Patience and discipline waiting for the right times to bet will bring their rewards. I hope this answers your questions. :thumbsup:
Thanks flukey luke,
well I share your point of view...
So you are using all betting opportunities the LW triggers provide or you skip any bets?
My Best Regards
mogwai,
I have added another post regarding the Methodology LW triggers.
I hope you find it useful.
best wishes
It is pretty clear...
Thanks!
sorry,
but is there any way we can keep a more or less automated track for this system?
even an excell file?
:question:
Unfortunately albertojonas, I do not have a scooby doo when it comes to the programming game. One thing regarding programming however that I would like to mention and don't get me wrong, I am certainly not against it, I would love someone to programme my ideas and see if it can mimic my play, however, to be a long term winner AND survivor at roulette, you need to get your hands dirty, this means getting under the bonnet and having a good poke around. In fact the bonnet analogy is probably a very good one, because it really is a case of stripping everything down and putting it all back together again piece by piece. This is where I think programming loses something. If a programme tells you to back 27 on the next spin, all well and good, but WHY are you backing 27. I am someone who would want to know why.
I think there are a few elements to my system here that a programme could not bring to my attention which I would consider pretty crucial for making a decision.
Regarding the system itself, I do have some extra add ons which could be implimented.
I did not want to go to deep in the one thread. I will start a seperate thread titled 'Timing and the LW methodology VOLUME 2' which will explain in more detail. That could take some time to complete, but there is no real rush. I will try and get it completed by the end of the week.
Just to note, the system as presented in the first thread 'Timing and the LW Methodology' is a complete system. You do not need anything else to go along with that if you don't wish.
On saying that, by including volume 2, it will give you more options.
@fl
You wrote:
"I think there are a few elements to my system here that a programme could not bring to my
attention which I would consider pretty crucial for making a decision. "
Easily overcome!
The program could offer
1 a confirmation button for its selection(s)
2 a box in which to type your selection if you want to override the program's decision
it would be great
Hello guys/gals.
@esoito, of course you are right. I did read somewhere once that any part of a system could be programmed. It would just require the author of the system to state his/her preferences.
I am the old fashioned pen and paper type ;D
Alberto, I hope one day some of my ideas can be programmed.
Today, I should be able to finish the betting charts for volume 2. Then I want to show an example from a session I played last night at dublinbet.
In volume the 2, the bets can range from 3 streets (minimum) up to around 6. The average is less than 5. This is good because you can have more losses than wins and still come out winning flat betting.
Hello Flukey Luke
I've been reviewing your betting chart and I found a gap
1,2,7.
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3. 3,6,8,9,11,12.
4. 3,4,8,10.
5. 3,4,5,9,10.
6. 3,4,5,6,9,11,12.
8. 4,5,8,11,12.
10. 3,6,8,10.
11. 4,5,8,9,11.
12. 3,4,6,8,9,10,12.
You forgot about street 9
Best regards,
Afonso
That's well spotted Afonso,
For some reason, I can't go back and modify it.
So for the three missing streets 1,2,7. The bets for 9 would be streets 3,6,9,12.
Thank you my friend, we should rename you eagle eye. :wink:
Thanks my friend.
When I study something I read everything very carefully ^^
I'm seeing if I can't get some free time today to test your volume 2 Strategy :thumbsup:
Regards,
Eagle Eye
:D
Btw, I forgot to mention this one
1,2,5.
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3. 3,6,7,9,11,12.
4. 3,4,8,10,11,12.
6. 3,4,6,9,10,12.
8. 3,4,8,11,12.
9. 3,4,6,7,9,12.
10. 7,8,10.
11. 6,7,8,9,11.
12. 3,6,7,8,9,10,12.
Bet for street 7 is lacking :)
Hello Afonso,
I will go through them as well and check for any that I missed.
Thank you for bringing it up.
If the three missing streets are 1,2,5. For the 7, you would bet streets 4,6,7,10,11.
It's all good now my friend ! Nothing more is missing.
You did a great job !!!! ;D
Just had a quick check through myself and everything seems present and correct.
Cheers Afonso and keep us updated on your testing. :thumbsup:
I don't have much time.
But I simply can go out without making at least a quick test ;D
I just have a question, in you sessions examples you never passed through a 0
So when a 0 comes we just accept the loss and we continue like anything had happen or we re-track again?
Example:
10 -
7 - 6,7,9
0 -
10 - 3,6,10 (we don't chart here or we pretend 0 didn't come and we go to master chart and take streets 7-10?)
4 - 1,4,6
Afonso, if the 0 comes, just ignore it and carry on. :thumbsup:
Just made a quick session of 30 spins.
In 23 bets I got three times 0
As everyone know, if we are betting number 0 makes so much difference as any other number, but when we are betting dozens, even chances, streets,... the number 0 is a really pain in the ass.
Still it ended up in profit ^^
+18 units
I just emailed you with the excel file.
Feel free to post it on your Volume 2 thread as one more example of the system :)
Best regards,
Afonso
Thank you Afonso, I am just about to start a live session myself.
It is my belief that my system does hold a small edge and you can get some pretty difficult sessions maybe losing 60-40 of the bets and still come out many times either breaking even or with a small profit. So, when you consider it is flat betting, this is what a player needs to accomplish. I have always said the wins take care of themself. If you can manage the other 50 % of the game (and limit the damage to break even or a small win) there can then only be one winner. (that's us by the way ;D )
Thank you for doing some testing and supplying the results, it's appreciated.
kind regards
hi victor
could you plz explain or link LW methodology in EC. i have found LW methodology for dozens and five lines but not for even chances.
thanks
catalyst