Long time observer to roulette, both RNG and B&M. Read at everything I could read, looked at countless of forum posts and systems online. One thing that struck me as a Eureka! type thing is that within all of the spins, repeaters happen, doesn't matter if it's rng or not.
Looking closer at this I ran random numbers, I looked up random numbers that were run by others and the most amount of unique numbers ever within 37 spins is 33. I'm not saying that more will never happen, but close to a billion simulated runs, not one showing has cracked the 33 unique number marker. That means that within a 37 spin cycle a maximum of 33 numbers will be unique and 4 will be repeaters of some sort, be it doubles, triples or quads.
We have a 37 spin window, we know that 4 of those spins are repeaters, just need to find a way to monetize this somehow. Any ideas?
Quote from: Nimo on Oct 22, 02:07 PM 2017We have a 37 spin window, we know that 4 of those spins are repeaters, just need to find a way to monetize this somehow. Any ideas?
Well, something i was thinking now--> Bet 4 last hotnumbers, using a negative fibonacci progression until that 37 cycle is done
it would look like
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 | 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 | 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 | 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5. (36 spins) you could go on with that fibbo-progression or Stop, i don't know what the hitrate would be, but betting 4 last hotnumbers should give a couple of hits during a 36-spin cycle (?) Stay at the same level when hit, OR go 1 step back in the ladder...I haven't tried this, just an idea......
Here's my first attempt; Note down ALL hotnumbers as they hit, until you got 4 hotnumbers (repeaters within the last 10)......Now bet those 4, and for each hit, write that number down in the "hotnumbers list", you also note down any new hotnumber that comes--As a new hotnumber hit, you re-bet the last 4 hotnumbers-- (use the fibonacci-progression above, stay at the same level or go one step back when hit, & Reset to 1u as soon you reach a new high)
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 22, 04:31 PM 2017Note down ALL hotnumbers as they hit, until you got 4 hotnumbers (repeaters within the last 10)......Now bet those 4, and for each hit,
Problem #1 - recording, tracking spins is useless. You need to start from spin 1, not wait for some event to happen before betting. This is a huge mistake among people who try systems and methods. Tracking and then jumping in doesn't work. Play from spin 1.
Problem #2 - Because a number "was" hot, doesn't mean a damn thing about it staying hot - it can go cold or hit on average while you're now betting on it. If you were tracking and not playing it as it became a "hot number" then you already missed the boat. There's no value in betting something once it's hot - you can only win by betting it while it's becoming hot.
Just my advice (and I know what I'm talking about...) Take it or leave it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Oct 22, 05:19 PM 2017Play from spin 1.
Problem #2 - Because a number "was" hot, doesn't mean a damn thing about it staying hot - it can go cold or hit on average while you're now betting on it. If you were tracking and not playing it as it became a "hot number" then you already missed the boat. There's no value in betting something once it's hot - you can only win by betting it while it's becoming hot.
Alright thanks TG, so now we know, (?) you're betting all single numbers that hits, hoping for 1 to become 2 hits.(?) Last secret is to find a progression that works with this....
Alright, thanks to Denize and TG himself, now we now cracked the code to his "secret" hotnumbers-system :wink:
Bet ALL single numbers that comes, in a progressive bet, Use a positive progression.... OK
I now tried this, played with OSCAR's GRIND. (+1u bet for each HIT) (Highest step in progression 11 from the first tests), a pretty large BR is needed; minimum 500u (or more) perhaps 750u-1000u (?) played with 1u bets.
Test 2. This was something extreme, i've got 21- or 22 uniques, Highest step in the OG-progression 20u, but i made it!
Hey Ignatus do me a favor: try testing the 12th newest
outcome-same strategy. It's doing something interesting.
This can end up a very large bankroll required. Around the 8th spin I have found can be drawn out with no repeats, is this what you mean Proof?
If no repeats then you could expect a min. of 4 as discussed in 37 spins.
Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 23, 12:12 AM 2017
This can end up a very large bankroll required. Around the 8th spin I have found can be drawn out with no repeats, is this what you mean Proof?
If no repeats then you could expect a min. of 4 as discussed in 37 spins.
yes
I dont think it would be successful as the limit where I play is 50 units on a single number so the casino just waits for you to have a bad run then they have all your money back plus more..........they are not dumb. >:D
Would you go up that high in progression just waiting for a repeat if the run from hell was just around the corner?
Quote from: Bettingking on Oct 23, 12:57 AM 2017I dont think it would be successful as the limit where I play is 50 units on a single number
I had the run from hell, as i said maximum bet was 20u/number...so why not? test it yourself and you'll see........
test 3.
Table limits is a problem. Also it requires a large bankroll. Can't test right now, but I will.
I'm not sure I understand all about how you are playing.
1- You increse the bet in all numbers being bet by 1 on a hit? Or you just increase the number that just hit?
2- You "reset" after hiting a new high bankroll? In this case, reset is to play just last hit number with 1 unit on it. If it's not, tell me where I'm wrong.
Thanks.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Oct 22, 05:19 PM 2017
Problem #1 - recording, tracking spins is useless. You need to start from spin 1, not wait for some event to happen before betting. This is a huge mistake among people who try systems and methods. Tracking and then jumping in doesn't work. Play from spin 1.
Few things.... What if the first repeater comes at spin uuuhm 21 ?
In your time machine example you said...you could bet on # that hit ones but why would you...
Isnt This a bit contradicting ?
And why did you go from your 1/5 or 5/25 progression to 1/2/4/8/16/etc ?
And why did you played on different ways on those graphs at GF ? One you decrease the # and one you take them all with you. (Only those who hit within a.....sssstttt)
Note both didn't start from spin 1.
Quote from: vladir on Oct 23, 09:34 AM 2017
I'm not sure I understand all about how you are playing.
1- You increse the bet in all numbers being bet by 1 on a hit? Or you just increase the number that just hit?
2- You "reset" after hiting a new high bankroll? In this case, reset is to play just last hit number with 1 unit on it. If it's not, tell me where I'm wrong.
Thanks.
Yes, that's how i played! 8) +1u bet on all numbers bet, *when hit* ,(This is oscar's grind) until reach a new high, Then re-start/reset and bet that single number hit with 1u bet.
I don't think tg was suggesting starting on single numbers. You end up with too many of course. Jump in on the 2s.
Try your results starting from 2s and with both 1/2/4/8 and 1/5/25 progs.
Quote from: fossell on Oct 23, 10:50 AM 2017I don't think tg was suggesting starting on single numbers. You end up with too many of course. Jump in on the 2s.
Try your results starting from 2s
No? He said, if you read the first posts, that he *didn't* bet numbers hit twice, he said "bet from spin 1", furthermore, He said he played with a *positive progression* (from denize's earlier post, in another thread) and that IS "oscar's grind"....
Well yes I suppose you could bet from spin 1. Depends what TG means by 'play' from spin one.
Its just my preference to wait for 2 repeats. I don't consider a number 'becoming' hot from one show.
I imagine he was suggesting that too many people 'wait' for numbers to become hot before jumping in with bets.
Two shows isn't hot, but 'waiting' to have a collection of repeats is pointless. Start betting from the first repeat (2peater in my case).
And yes I know your prog is positive. But why not try the aggressive positive progs. Just out of interest is all.
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 23, 11:00 AM 2017
No? He said, if you read the first posts, that he *didn't* bet numbers hit twice, he said "bet from spin 1", furthermore, He said he played with a *positive progression* (from denize's earlier post, in another thread) and that IS "oscar's grind"....
That's what I meant by TG contradicting himself.
Anyway I agree with Fossell. Start on 2s. It cuts down a lot of numbers. Remember on a real table we can't bet 20#.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 23, 11:16 AM 2017That's what I meant by contradicting himself
I'm just following what TG said;
(1) bet from spin 1,
(2) bet all numbers that show---> Here is what HE said "
Because a number "was" hot, doesn't mean a damn thing about it staying hot - it can go cold or hit on average while you're now betting on it. If you were tracking and not playing it as it became a "hot number" then you already missed the boat. There's no value in betting something once it's hot - you can only win by betting it while it's becoming hot."
(3) use a positive progression
This has worked , as i have proven,(?)....(haven't lost yet?) sure it demands a large bankroll, and would not be practical playing for real....(on real live-tables?)....
Yes ignatus your right. But unless TG is some sort of mutated octopus he can't place all those chips. But....
He probably will clear this up.
Steve...... I'll bet your eyes are like ::)
:lol:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 23, 11:16 AM 2017
That's what I meant by TG contradicting himself.
Anyway I agree with Fossell. Start on 2s. It cuts down a lot of numbers. Remember on a real table we can't bet 20#.
Denzie,
That is what I have been testing with also -- betting on the 2-peaters becoming 3-peaters.
That way, we have a reasonable number of numbers to bet on. But as I noted in another post yesterday, I CANNOT
get it to work consistently flatbetting. I am forced to use negative progressions. And the amounts bet do threaten to spin out of control frequently.
Once you sit down the 37 spin cycle starts
Here is how I look at it:
More times then not, there are ‘3’ peaters in a cycle
So bet on all the numbers that have hit twice
In my opinion
Math guys can say whatever they want to, look at any history, more times then not there are three peaters in 37 spin cycles
I don’t have the time or money to play this way at this time but I do plan to.
If my penny stock investments come through :xd:
Playing from spin one doesnt mean u need to play all the number before a repeat. You can play 1 or 2 number.
Quote from: Madi on Oct 23, 02:13 PM 2017
Playing from spin one doesnt mean u need to play all the number before a repeat.
You can play 1 or 2 number.
And how would you know which 1 or 2 numbers to correctly select from all the numbers that are showing up?
i guess the question from me is, do we raise on them all after a hit or just the one that's just gone from a 2peat to a 3peat?
Im getting a little bit of deja vu!
Theres plenty of reading here and GF on repeater basics.
Essentially your limiting your field of play by picking 2peaters. Theyre out the blocks and in the race.
We're aiming to be backing the fastest best performers. If they're doing better than the rest, the progression logically follows them. You back the leaders. Where that race ends, how you measure there ongoing performance and how you're selecting are all key factors. We know you cant cover them all.
Quote from: fossell on Oct 23, 04:19 PM 2017
Im getting a little bit of deja vu!
Theres plenty of reading here and GF on repeater basics.
Essentially your limiting your field of play by picking 2peaters. Theyre out the blocks and in the race.
We're aiming to be backing the fastest best performers. If they're doing better than the rest, the progression logically follows them. You back the leaders. Where that race ends, how you measure there ongoing performance and how you're selecting are all key factors. We know you cant cover them all.
That's fine, then I'm on the right track. Thank you for the clarity.
A. To cut down on the numbers to bet -
1. example - divide the wheel into zones 32<->36, 6<->10, 5<->9, 22<->26
2. wait for 3 peater1 or peater2 from 1 zone to appear, then start bet all 3 numbers
3. the 3 peaters should be somewhat clustered
4. if you're an AP player, it's best when peaters sit within the wheel bias zone. select your wheel to play. select the dealer to play.
B. The best zone for peaters is between spins 35-40 if your style is to wait.
This is how it looks like when repeat is filtered with AP applied to it. It simply takes off in that repeat zone during a session test online live casino today.
Quote from: cht on Oct 23, 09:56 PM 2017
B. The best zone for peaters is between spins 35-40 if your style is to wait.
I remember when I started with repeaters I played the waiting game. Basically what I did was....look How many 2s I've got at spin 30. If it was max 5 then I started to bet for a 3s.
The only reason I stopped was coz I'm tired of the waiting :yawn:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Oct 23, 01:02 PM 2017
Denzie,
That is what I have been testing with also -- betting on the 2-peaters becoming 3-peaters.
That way, we have a reasonable number of numbers to bet on. But as I noted in another post yesterday, I CANNOT get it to work consistently flatbetting. I am forced to use negative progressions. And the amounts bet do threaten to spin out of control frequently.
Why stop at 3peater?
Quote from: fossell on Oct 23, 04:19 PM 2017
Where that race ends, how you measure there ongoing performance and how you're selecting are all key factors.
Exactly! :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 24, 05:57 AM 2017
I remember when I started with repeaters I played the waiting game. Basically what I did was....look How many 2s I've got at spin 30. If it was max 5 then I started to bet for a 3s.
The only reason I stopped was coz I'm tired of the waiting :yawn:
did this profit more than the method you play now?
Quote from: 777 on Oct 24, 06:33 AM 2017
did this profit more than the method you play now?
No. But it didn't lose also. If no 3s appears I'm going to 2u next session. But the waiting zzzz
i play similar. but I dont have a max and min i only look at spin 30 and pick a few hot ones then reset to spin 30 after a hit. speed roulette is fast enough for me.
Quote from: 777 on Oct 24, 07:05 AM 2017
i play similar. but I dont have a max and min i only look at spin 30 and pick a few hot ones then reset to spin 30 after a hit. speed roulette is fast enough for me.
And how you decide which to choose?
the ones that are hitting the most. you have the clicker, use it its a very helpfull tool.
Quote from: 777 on Oct 24, 07:05 AM 2017i only look at spin 30 and pick a few hot ones then reset to spin 30 after a hit. speed roulette is fast enough for me.
How's that working out for you?
Quote from: denzie on Oct 24, 05:59 AM 2017
Why stop at 3peater?
Chasing the 4-peaters (and beyond) very frequently would make the attendant negative progressions get really deep -- and scary.
In my experience, for conservative bettors, the best opportunity for profits lies in the 2-peaters becoming 3-peaters territory.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 24, 02:46 PM 2017
How's that working out for you?
so far so good! but as Steve says it can work for a long time untill it doesnt work.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 23, 11:29 AM 2017
Yes ignatus your right. But unless TG is some sort of mutated octopus he can't place all those chips. But....
He probably will clear this up.
Guess not ::)
Quote from: cht on Oct 23, 09:56 PM 2017
A. To cut down on the numbers to bet -
B. The best zone for peaters is between spins 35-40 if your style is to wait.
Are you sure?
I am sorry to tell you your statement isn't 100% true, today i was playing with Random numbers and i haven't seen a repeater in 80 consecutive spins... you imagine something like that?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 26, 03:27 PM 2017
Are you sure?
I am sorry to tell you your statement isn't 100% true, today i was playing with Random numbers and i haven't seen a repeater in 80 consecutive spins... you imagine something like that?
80 spins without a repeat? With only 37 numbers on the wheel. No actually I can't imagine that :question:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 26, 10:43 PM 2017
80 spins without a repeat? With only 37 numbers on the wheel. No actually I can't imagine that :question:
Not from the wheel,are random
Numbers from rng
Quotei was playing with Random numbers and i haven't seen a repeater in 80 consecutive spins... you imagine something like that?
are you on pills or somthn..... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
and when you see the moon back side of it is sun shining to others....hahahhaa..what kind of people
Quote from: maestro on Oct 27, 05:19 AM 2017
are you on pills or somthn..... :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
and when you see the moon back side of it is sun shining to others....hahahhaa..what kind of people
The dumpest comment ever made!
Change your nickname from maestro to dumpestro
QuoteThe dumpest comment ever made!
Change your nickname from maestro to dumpestro
i will if i can find 80 spins with no repeater even better i will call myself a moron but so far this is not the case... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Hey, I thought RNG was rigged...
Quote from: psimoes on Oct 27, 05:48 AM 2017
Hey, I thought RNG was rigged...
Hold on, I used a fair random number generator, you can find a load of websites where you can generate random numbers, the rng at casino is rigged !!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 05:52 AM 2017the rng at casino is rigged !!
No? it's not. it's you having a bad system,....people always say RNG is rigged, no it's not..? i've won real money on RNG, the only problem you get, if it's a crooked casino, is that you have problems/ or they will deny withdrawal of your money. (Has never happend to me, except they demand some extra documents before withdrawal)...
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 27, 05:56 AM 2017
No? it's not. it's you having a bad system,....people always say RNG is rigged, no it's not..? i've won real money on RNG, the only problem you get, if it's a crooked casino, is that you have problems/ or they will deny withdrawal of your money. (Has never happend to me, except they demand some extra documents before withdrawal)...
Ignatus; do. you really trust the rng at casino ?? Are you sure that is not manipulated ??? sure ? If yes how
Much are you sure ???
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 06:00 AM 2017
Ignatus; do. you really trust the rng at casino ?? Are you sure that is not manipulated ??? sure ? If yes how
Much are you sure ???
RNG is not rigged, BECAUSE if someone finds out, they have to close the casino or they have to pay millions in Fine, So? i don't think they'll take that risk... And as i said they only problem you may have is withdrawal of your money (if you win too much). That what i believe/know,
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 27, 06:06 AM 2017
RNG is not rigged, BECAUSE if someone finds out, they have to close the casino or they have to pay millions in Fine, So? i don't think they'll take that risk... And as i said they only problem you may have is withdrawal of your money (if you win too much). That what i believe/know,
As a player on a rng, how can you find out that they manipulate the results ?
99,999% of players lose and never sue the casino, it's extremely difficult to document such manipulation...therefore i don't risk by playing rng at casino.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 06:09 AM 201799,999% of players lose
yes? it's because they play with bad systems/poor Moneymanagement, not because the RNG is rigged
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 27, 06:15 AM 2017
yes? it's because they play with bad systems/poor Moneymanagement, not because the RNG is rigged
Ignatus, i know what u mean.
As you a player with advanced system you can win on rng, but casino can manipulate the result.. and no it's not easy for the player to detect the manipulation so you can't sue them
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 26, 03:27 PM 2017
Are you sure?
I am sorry to tell you your statement isn't 100% true, today i was playing with Random numbers and i haven't seen a repeater in 80 consecutive spins... you imagine something like that?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How the hell do you have 80 spins without a repeat by spin 38? Hahahahahahahahahaahaha
After all 37 numbers show up what was left? 😂
You clearly did something wrong !!!! What repeat are you looking for?😂😂
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 06:50 AM 2017
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How the hell do you have 80 spins without a repeat by spin 38? Hahahahahahahahahaahaha
After all 37 numbers show up what was left? 😂
You clearly did something wrong !!!! What repeat are you looking for?😂😂
I was looking for a number that hits two times in a row, so you bet the last spun number hoping it hits again, I was just looking at things how go on, apparently it failed but maybe it's worth to check on a real wheel... can something like that win ???
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 07:22 AM 2017
I was looking for a number that hits two times in a row, so you bet the last spun number hoping it hits again, I was just looking at things how go on, apparently it failed but maybe it's worth to check on a real wheel... can something like that win ???
Don't waste your time! You saw that miss 80 times in a row and you still want to look into it 😩
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 08:08 AM 2017
Don't waste your time! You saw that miss 80 times in a row and you still want to look into it 😩
Well what if you bet last two numbers ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 08:12 AM 2017
Well what if you bet last two numbers ?
I honestly don't know the math behind it. But there isn't any substance there.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 11:33 AM 2017
I honestly don't know the math behind it. But there isn't any substance there.
Mr Math said no way to beat roulette and Mr green laughing at him
QuoteHow the hell do you have 80 spins without a repeat by spin 38? Hahahahahahahahahaahaha
After all 37 numbers show up what was left? 😂
You clearly did something wrong !!!! What repeat are you looking for?😂😂
this one is a gooooooooooooooooood one....hahahahahahahhaahahah :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:,and this person plays roulette to win...get a life :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 27, 02:00 PM 2017
Mr Math said no way to beat roulette and Mr green laughing at him
I think you can beat roulette using math...but playing last two numbers to repeat is not going to work.
Manay systems include more numbers(3,6,12,18) and can't win. Playing last two to repeat will fail. Not worth testing. Think about it logically
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 05:22 PM 2017I think you can beat roulette using math...but playing last two numbers to repeat is not going to work.
Manay systems include more numbers(3,6,12,18) and can't win. Playing last two to repeat will fail. Not worth testing. Think about it logically c
if you are rich enough to afford 100 steps progressions (no martinFAIL) on 2 numbers to repeat, you may win.
Quote from: maestro on Oct 27, 03:47 PM 2017
this one is a gooooooooooooooooood one....hahahahahahahhaahahah :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:,and this person plays roulette to win...get a life :xd: :xd: :xd:
Laugh, laugh... lauhging will get you nowhere.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 05:22 PM 2017I think you can beat roulette using math...
Math CAN NOT defeat roulette... we are not cleverer than all Math scientists!!!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 27, 11:33 AM 2017
I honestly don't know the math behind it. But there isn't any substance there.
It's deceptively more simple than it sounds. Just remember that roulette has no memory, the outcomes are independent, the odds never change, etc... the basic stuff that has actual meaning. Hence, betting the last two numbers is no different than betting any other numbers. It faces the same odds for two numbers. Therefore it has a 2/37 chance of winning.
:thumbsup:
QuoteLaugh, laugh... lauhging will get you nowhere
i dont want to go anywhere...
Quotewe are not cleverer than all Math scientists!!!
i am not sure about it but you are definitely not... :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: maestro on Oct 28, 10:54 AM 2017
i dont want to go anywhere...
i am not sure about it but you are definitely not... :twisted: :twisted:
Only aliens from mars believe math can defeat roulette, you are one of them !!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Oct 28, 11:16 AM 2017
Only aliens from mars believe math can defeat roulette, you are one of them !!
👽🤖
Bet last 2 number 100 spins give a 1-(35/37)^100 = 0,9961396025 chance to win
So out of 100,000 times you will lose about 387 times