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Title: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: iar000 on Nov 08, 10:54 AM 2017
Somebody understand this strategy. ....

And can you explain

Thanks
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 11:25 AM 2017
Ofc for a hefty fee, all things are made crystal clear with the right eye glasses.  NP :twisted:
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 11:50 AM 2017
"keep in mind this is not a gift for you to share!"

"I have nothing more to say about this topic. "

          MoneyT101

Why does not he explain in plain language with clear roulette examples that everyone can understand? Nothing cryptic...
I think we had enough of that nonsense...
How arrogant!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 12:10 PM 2017
Quote from: iar000 on Nov 08, 10:54 AM 2017
Somebody understand this strategy. ....

And can you explain

Thanks

Nope! It's his little secret ...

He feels good to make people foolish.

I think his keyboard is broken...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 12:48 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 12:10 PM 2017Nope! It's his little secret ..
What would you do?
You need to earn the solution, to recognize the real value of it.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 01:02 PM 2017
C'mon, stop to be toady!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 01:51 PM 2017
MoneyT has given the answer in his thread. Read it carefully.  The solution is simple, right in front of your nose. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 02:00 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 11:50 AM 2017
"keep in mind this is not a gift for you to share!"

"I have nothing more to say about this topic. "

          MoneyT101

Why does not he explain in plain language with clear roulette examples that everyone can understand? Nothing cryptic...
I think we had enough of that nonsense...
How arrogant!

Hahaha far from arrogant!  I took the time to explain in the thread I created!

Maybe because it took months to understand what I and many others were working on.

You don't get it but they understand what I'm saying.  And that is perfectly fine with me.  They put in the work and hours.  Where were you? Playing martingale! 

Why don't you understand my language?

What does birthday paradox prove?

What does defined by dozen 2 mean?

Which cycle loses the most mathematically?  Can you win playing that way? Why not?

What's the problem with vdw, erdos szekeres, friends and strangers?

Where are 99% of the repeats falling?

Is pigeonhole theory really about pigeons and holes?  How else can it be used?

What problem is everyone in the forum having trouble with that I mentioned?

I was putting over 10 hrs daily into reading and testing and trying to understand.  For months and working on it for years....So why should you enjoy the fruits of my labor without putting in the time and work?

Because it's a forum and we should share ideas.  Guess what?!

I shared more then an idea! I shared how to play.  Is it perfect nope!  Does it win flatbet yes! 
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 02:08 PM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 02:00 PM 2017
I shared more then an idea! I shared how to play.  Is it perfect nope!  Does it win flatbet yes!
The play can be perfected when it's merged with other solid ideas!  :thumbsup:

It didn't take me years though, a few hours.  ;D

This is my purpose joining this forum in May. 6months to understand repeaters, AP play and now PhP. My goals is achieved.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: psimoes on Nov 08, 02:23 PM 2017
Money, you should submit the method for peer review.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 03:14 PM 2017
You can't explain it in plain language with clear roulette examples because you don't have it.

Simple like that!

Everybody is asking for your help and you keep playing games. If you do not want to give a clear example of your method, then keep it to yourself.

And I will say it again: You don't have a solid example how to use the method and I challenge you.

Well said!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 03:25 PM 2017
And I do not need it! I have my own strategy. I just want to help everybody who is asking for your help on how to use your system.
But it seems you don't give a dam...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: ati on Nov 08, 04:13 PM 2017
Andre, don't get offended, but it seems you and some others are now the new generation of members who demand the HG on a silver plate, and not willing to do much work. Come on man, just think before you post. Why would anyone share a system that always wins? So that any random person in the world could search "how to win at roulette" in google then half an hour later they could just start making thousands and quit their jobs? As it has been said before, that would be "killing the golden goose", because it wouldn't last for long. Online casinos would quickly realize that they are losing tens of millions, and they would quickly adapt. It may sound insane, but I have not doubt that this would be the case.
I haven't find the solution to win yet, but I strongly believe that it is possible, and I'm very happy that some members claim that they were able to do it. That gives me hope and motivation.
It's funny how almost everyone on the forum thinks that all these VDW, cycles, non random, parallel play, etc. is useless bullshit, yet almost every other discussion have dried up, and people have mostly been posting in these topics. I'm very grateful to the contributors, I wish I could add something to the discussions, but unfortunately I don't have much free time these days, so I'm quite behind processing all the info.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 04:25 PM 2017
Quote from: ati on Nov 08, 04:13 PM 2017
Andre, don't get offended, but it seems you and some others are now the new generation of members who demand the HG on a silver plate, and not willing to do much work. Come on man, just think before you post. Why would anyone share a system that always wins? So that any random person in the world could search "how to win at roulette" in google then half an hour later they could just start making thousands and quit their jobs? As it has been said before, that would be "killing the golden goose", because it wouldn't last for long. Online casinos would quickly realize that they are losing tens of millions, and they would quickly adapt. It may sound insane, but I have not doubt that this would be the case.
I haven't find the solution to win yet, but I strongly believe that it is possible, and I'm very happy that some members claim that they were able to do it. That gives me hope and motivation.
It's funny how almost everyone on the forum thinks that all these VDW, cycles, non random, parallel play, etc. is useless bullshit, yet almost every other discussion have dried up, and people have mostly been posting in these topics. I'm very grateful to the contributors, I wish I could add something to the discussions, but unfortunately I don't have much free time these days, so I'm quite behind processing all the info.

Ok I think you're right!
Forget it. I give it up!
Thanks for the post!
All the best!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 08, 04:27 PM 2017
Quote from: ati on Nov 08, 04:13 PM 2017
Andre, don't get offended, but it seems you and some others are now the new generation of members who demand the HG on a silver plate, and not willing to do much work. Come on man, just think before you post. Why would anyone share a system that always wins? So that any random person in the world could search "how to win at roulette" in google then half an hour later they could just start making thousands and quit their jobs? As it has been said before, that would be "killing the golden goose", because it wouldn't last for long. Online casinos would quickly realize that they are losing tens of millions, and they would quickly adapt. It may sound insane, but I have not doubt that this would be the case.
I haven't find the solution to win yet, but I strongly believe that it is possible, and I'm very happy that some members claim that they were able to do it. That gives me hope and motivation.
It's funny how almost everyone on the forum thinks that all these VDW, cycles, non random, parallel play, etc. is useless bullshit, yet almost every other discussion have dried up, and people have mostly been posting in these topics. I'm very grateful to the contributors, I wish I could add something to the discussions, but unfortunately I don't have much free time these days, so I'm quite behind processing all the info.

you remind me of one person  ... after 30 years of research he found the system that can win, but unfortunately the day he wanted to use the system and start making money died suddenly and took the system with him ...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 04:58 PM 2017
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 08, 04:27 PM 2017
you remind me of one person  ... after 30 years of research he found the system that can win, but unfortunately the day he wanted to use the system and start making money died suddenly and took the system with him ...

Yeah! When Steven1212 joined up on the forum saying he had a secret, "one last ingredient," the HG,  MoneyT101 went crazy to have it. Now that he says he has the HG, he does not want to share.

Does anyone remember Steven1212?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 05:46 PM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 02:00 PM 2017it took months to understand what I and many others were working on.

Really, from all forum there will be only max 12 people that are interested in new approaches to roulette, other 99% are trying to bet balack after 7 reds.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 05:48 PM 2017
Quote from: praline on Nov 08, 05:46 PM 2017other 99% are trying to bet balack after 7 reds.

Sorry...too rude...
They are trying to bet balack after seven red using their imagination and not mathematical constants.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 05:51 PM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 02:00 PM 2017
I was putting over 10 hrs daily into reading and testing and trying to understand.  For months and working on it for years....So why should you enjoy the fruits of my labor without putting in the time and work?


+300
Compleatly agree...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 05:59 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 03:14 PM 2017You don't have a solid example how to use the method and I challenge you.

Oh, please...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 06:01 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 03:25 PM 2017And I do not need it! I have my own strategy.


Oh, please.....     again


Investigate and try to really understand what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 06:04 PM 2017
haha you can't show what you don't have...

It's just a guess game
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 06:32 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 06:04 PM 2017haha you can't show what you don't have..
Wha do you mean?
Can you explain with an example please?!!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 06:38 PM 2017
Quote from: praline on Nov 08, 06:32 PM 2017
Wha do you mean?
Can you explain with an example please?!!

I mean MoneyT101 doesn't have a clear example how to use his method, so he can't show what he doesn't have...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 06:55 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 06:38 PM 2017
I mean MoneyT101 doesn't have a clear example how to use his method, so he can't show what he doesn't have...

Yup that must be it!  You caught me.  You must be the smartest guy I met mr.martingale 😂

Nothing can get past you.   Amazing detective work.  👏👏👏

What you just said makes so much sense
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: watchblue on Nov 08, 07:06 PM 2017
This is my understanding of money strategy:

To give you an idea, Let's say I'm betting 10 numbers
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1

So he play 10 numbers straight with different betting on them.
Also he said that he would like to have a "parallel stream" and in total "covering 28 numbers"

So imagine that you apply the above betting on 10 red numbers (17 units bet), then you you place also 17 units on black, in this way you cover 18 black numbers and 10 red numbers, you have covered 28 numbers and lose only with 9.
I don't like absolutely this system because you really win only with few numbers and you lose completely the entire amount with 9 numbers not covered, but this is how money strategy work from his shared details.
The profit that he has mentioned need to be verified with a proper test, not sure can be so high on a flat betting.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 07:16 PM 2017
Quote from: Most of Posters on Nov 08, 07:06 PM 2017The profit that he has mentioned need to be verified with a proper test

Why he need to ask °nobody° to verify °something°?????

How you can test something that you don`t understand?  Not to be the clever one, but I can test and try different interpretations of what he is talking about, focusing on the provable aspects of randomness, and what have you done since you heard the world "cycle"???
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 07:23 PM 2017
The most important question of the day to all members of the forum>


Who are we to "test" a success of somebody?

Sharing is great, but sharing has limits!! Those limits are defined by:

1. Time
2. Effort

Why "one" should ever depreciate the previous two points?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 07:29 PM 2017
@MoneyT101

I'm just a simple guy trying to argue with you. You have a lot of experience in betting n roulette and I admire you for it. I'm just trying to make you understand that there are several people who are lost on your system. But you have the right to keep it to yourself.
I hope you have many wins and make lots of money. Destroy the casinos!
Peace!

All the best!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 07:33 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 07:29 PM 2017Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
+1
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 08, 07:34 PM 2017
Quote from: watchblue on Nov 08, 07:06 PM 2017
This is my understanding of money strategy:

To give you an idea, Let's say I'm betting 10 numbers
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1

So he play 10 numbers straight with different betting on them.
Also he said that he would like to have a "parallel stream" and in total "covering 28 numbers"

So imagine that you apply the above betting on 10 red numbers (17 units bet), then you you place also 17 units on black, in this way you cover 18 black numbers and 10 red numbers, you have covered 28 numbers and lose only with 9.
I don't like absolutely this system because you really win only with few numbers and you lose completely the entire amount with 9 numbers not covered, but this is how money strategy work from his shared details.
The profit that he has mentioned need to be verified with a proper test, not sure can be so high on a flat betting.

Two seperate systems I mentioned

My original method was 28 wins vs 9 losses that's correct.  But Pri shared some info about dyksexlic word rng game and that made me change my method.

My method wasn't bad but in 100 spins it would profit about 22-40 units flatbet 28 vs 9

After Pri comment I changed my view and created something different.  Same idea just applied to a different area

So now it's more like  200 units every 100 spins.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 07:56 PM 2017
If you guys want to play roulette to win serious money, learn AP. That's what casinos fear the most. All of the tech advances that casinos invest millions into upgrading their wheels is for this single purpose that is to thwart the PA players whom they call as cheats, throw them behind bars, ban and blacklist them under the griffin book. It takes a lot of time, brains and effort, and besides that learn about casino operations specific on security surveillance.

Unless you rise to this status of play to threaten the casino operators that they take action against you, all other claims is wishfull thinking. Get real.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 08:22 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 08, 07:56 PM 2017learn AP

AP

What is the meaning of this abbreviation?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 08:30 PM 2017
Since repeaters and PhP is class under systems play I have no problem to share the complete system together with the excel sheet as an when it's perfected.

For starters, here's a few pointers to digest on -

1. PhP generally means 2pigeons and 1hole to give you a definite repeat. The one thing to add to this basic idea is that the cycles expand as the spin results come in. It's dynamic and not static morphing it into 3pigeons 2holes, 4pigeons 3holes, 5pigeons 4holes, 7pigeons 6holes and so on......

2. By itself PhP can't give you an edge. The edge comes from statistics. The 2 applicable statistics is binomial distribution and birthday paradox.

3. Birthday paradox is a stats formula that calculates the probability of two elements that match in a given sample. The main takeaway is the high probabilty of match from even a small sample which surprises people. RRBB cleverly comes up with his thread to create a parallel sample stream of positions to come up with his 99+% of match happening in the low claim. It's actually birthday paradox probability repackaged.

4. Winkel posted the binomial distribution I found on Colbster's thread about repeaters. Colbster himself expounded about how repeats come in. I tested it earlier that there's clear proof that if bets were placed in the critical mass locations for repeaters this binomial distribution stats naturally kicks in to give winners. That's why I posted the prof Higgins video to falkor as a direct hint where and when to bet in his thread.

Throw in AP to filter the chaos off the wheel and ball, you get the result that I posted in RRBB's thread.

Without AP, I have a system model that I'm working on right now that I will post here if and when I get it perfected.

To me casino games is for the fun, entertainment and intellectual challenge that I enjoy. Don't get too serious with gambling, it'll eat you alive if you're not careful. You might even get into some serious trouble. That's my advice.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 08:32 PM 2017
Checkmate.

LoL
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 08:40 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 08, 08:30 PM 2017By itself PhP can't give you an edge. The edge comes from statistics.
Something, like:
You are tracking php on all but bet only the "predefined by statistics" events?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 08, 08:47 PM 2017
Quote from: praline on Nov 08, 08:40 PM 2017
Something, like:
You are tracking php on all but bet only the "predefined by statistics" events?
Yes
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 08:51 PM 2017
Quote from: praline on Nov 08, 08:22 PM 2017
AP

What is the meaning of this abbreviation?

Advantage player
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 08:55 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 08, 08:30 PM 2017
Since repeaters and PhP is class under systems play I have no problem to share the complete system together with the excel sheet as an when it's perfected.

For starters, here's a few pointers to digest on -

1. PhP generally means 2pigeons and 1hole to give you a definite repeat. The one thing to add to this basic idea is that the cycles expand as the spin results come in. It's dynamic and not static morphing it into 3pigeons 2holes, 4pigeons 3holes, 5pigeons 4holes, 7pigeons 6holes and so on......

2. By itself PhP can't give you an edge. The edge comes from statistics. The 2 applicable statistics is binomial distribution and birthday paradox.

3. Birthday paradox is a stats formula that calculates the probability of two elements that match in a given sample. The main takeaway is the high probabilty of match from even a small sample which surprises people. RRBB cleverly comes up with his thread to create a parallel sample stream of positions to come up with his 99+% of match happening in the low claim. It's actually birthday paradox probability repackaged.

4. Winkel posted the binomial distribution I found on Colbster's thread about repeaters. Colbster himself expounded about how repeats come in. I tested it earlier that there's clear proof that if bets were placed in the critical mass locations for repeaters this binomial distribution stats naturally kicks in to give winners. That's why I posted the prof Higgins video to falkor as a direct hint where and when to bet in his thread.

Throw in AP to filter the chaos off the wheel and ball, you get the result that I posted in RRBB's thread.

Without AP, I have a system model that I'm working on right now that I will post here if and when I get it perfected.

To me casino games is for the fun, entertainment and intellectual challenge that I enjoy. Don't get too serious with gambling, it'll eat you alive if you're not careful. You might even get into some serious trouble. That's my advice.

Thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: praline on Nov 08, 09:01 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 08, 08:51 PM 2017
Advantage player
On what this I based?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: watchblue on Nov 09, 01:47 AM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 08, 08:30 PM 2017
.... 3pigeons 2holes, 4pigeons 3holes, 5pigeons 4holes, 7pigeons 6holes and so on......


Wrong Forum mate, birds and bees is the next one on the right  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 09, 02:14 AM 2017
"Socks" 

This is what I got out of the socks conversation

Six socks-looking for pairs=Even Chances

Example:  12,19,31,7,3,34 (Six Outcomes)
                   L   H   H  L L  H

What hasn't hit: L13-18 (Low), L25-30 (High)

So the Next six Even Chance
bets would bet: Low (L13-18), High (L25-30)

(according to RRBB notes)

then the corresponding hit outcomes starting from left:
Low (L7-12), High (L19-24), High (L31-36), Low (L7-12)...

To my surprise good hit rate flat-betting for Even Chances
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: ati on Nov 09, 02:29 AM 2017
What I wrote yesterday can be misunderstood. Keeping certain things to yourself is not necessarily greed or selfishness. I'm a very giving person, making money easily would bore me, but I always have that image in my mind that one day I become wealthy and I will be able to help random strangers who struggle financially, visiting the country side, doing charity works, giving donations, etc. That would give me satisfaction. :)
Do you think the stock exchange sharks and successful business owners should all share their ideas and knowledge on public forums? What's the first thing you do when you invent something that can earn you money? You get a patent, so no one can copy it, otherwise it could become worthless.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: 6th-sense on Nov 09, 04:39 AM 2017
pretty pointless thread ...just trying to goad MoneyT101...who by the way has tried to help in his own way in his thread...explained what he can....if you have no understanding of his explanation.. thats not his fault..i questioned dyslexic at the time with a few examples of what i thought he was doing then he promptly deleted the thread...was i close? who knows..well done Moneyt101 i admire you for sharing what you have found in the best way you could ..you didn,t even have to do that...
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: psimoes on Nov 09, 05:10 AM 2017
If you believe there´s a Holy Grail then you believe in anything. And you´re all a gullible bunch if you ask me.
That dislexic guy posted a lot of nonsense and you all believed he had a grail, maybe even two :D haha. He left in shame after realizing it was all crap and you think it was to avoid giving any more clues?
That red dwarf guy knows about maths and knows math alone can´t beat a math game, despite what some may think. Same as Prianka. Did both ever claim to have found a holy grail? Yet you believe otherwise "because the truth must only be told to those who deserve it".
All because they used jargons like PhP, vdW, BP which are useless in roulette anyway, but made you look like sitting donkeys staring at a palace.

How many systems passed the 10000 spins only to go into a downward spiral ad infinitum? How many thought they had found "it", then acted all c***y. In the end, time and money have always told the truth.

Wake up people.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 09, 05:47 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 09, 05:10 AM 2017
How many systems passed the 10000 spins only to go into a downward spiral ad infinitum? How many thought they had found "it", then acted all c***y. In the end, time and money have always told the truth.

Wake up people.
Yup, get yourself banned or blacklisted in the griffin book then you have a reason to act c***y. Too bad there're always the usual suckers, toady and bootlickers.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 09, 07:10 AM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 09, 05:10 AM 2017
If you believe there´s a Holy Grail then you believe in anything. And you´re all a gullible bunch if you ask me.
That dislexic guy posted a lot of nonsense and you all believed he had a grail, maybe even two :D haha. He left in shame after realizing it was all crap and you think it was to avoid giving any more clues?
That red dwarf guy knows about maths and knows math alone can´t beat a math game, despite what some may think. Same as Prianka. Did both ever claim to have found a holy grail? Yet you believe otherwise "because the truth must only be told to those who deserve it".
All because they used jargons like PhP, vdW, BP which are useless in roulette anyway, but made you look like sitting donkeys staring at a palace.

How many systems passed the 10000 spins only to go into a downward spiral ad infinitum? How many thought they had found "it", then acted all c***y. In the end, time and money have always told the truth.

Wake up people.

Yup it failed the 10000 spins!  You guys are right.  Waste of time approach.  No way to beat the casinos

Nothing more to talk about.   Sorry for wasting your time ✌️
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Priyanka on Nov 09, 07:21 AM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 09, 07:10 AM 2017Nothing more to talk about.   Sorry for wasting your time ✌️
From now on please don’t act c***y. Cheers.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 09, 07:41 AM 2017
Quote from: Priyanka on Nov 09, 07:21 AM 2017
From now on please don’t act c***y. Cheers.

Hahaha got it 👍
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: psimoes on Nov 09, 10:56 AM 2017
LOL you two seem like nice people but you´re being sarcastic assholes - "Wooo we´re so special" - Yeah we can see that  :xd: but whatever, good luck in your quest, since you don´t have to learn from nobody. You will need it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 11:17 AM 2017
It appears this is the biggest thing that's not understood. Most people would know I keep repeating "you can't beat roulette unless you increase accuracy of predictions (increase your odds)".

It really needs to be understood so you don't go in circles. Seriously this is a really, really basic concept. You are a casino's fool if you don't understand it. And even worse if you ignore what I'm saying here.

Sure you can say I'm just one of those annoying math people. I'm one of those annoying people that harp on about the "house edge". If you're one of the people who say that, then you need to understand it's like denying the existence of gravity. Seriously imagine trying to tell someone gravity doesn't exist. Then you drop a rock and say "see, that's gravity working right there!" and they respond "Nah that's your opinion. Don't push your opinions on me". That's exactly how ignorant some of you are.

WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION

Say you bet on 0 for 37 spins. If you have "random accuracy", you will win 1 in 37 spins. The payout is 35-1 so in 37 spins you get back 35 chips PLUS your original bet. This leaves you with 36 chips every 37 spins. This is a -1 loss, and the house edge is 1/37 = 2.7%

Really basic, right?

Now consider this....

Say we have any of these sequences of numbers:

1,2,3,4,5
3,3,3,3,3
1,3,1,3,1,3
33,33,33,33,33
9,8,7,6,5,4

Looks like a trend, right? An obvious "trot"? Hot numbers? Call it whatever you want..... But guess what. The odds of any number spinning next is still 1 in 37.

Don't believe me? Do some proper testing. Use the free pattern tester I published. Test billions of spin if you like and you'll see after all your efforts to find patterns, the odds are still just 1 in 37.

So while most of you are chasing your tails and finding fanciful elaborate ways to figure out trends and patterns, in the end, THE ODDS HAVE NOT CHANGED. It doesn't matter what you THINK.

Now compare two systems. One uses the "law of a third" to bet on hot numbers, and the other just chooses random numbers. Which will do better? It just depends on whatever the spins are next. Both of these systems have exactlythe same long-term accuracy though. Both have random accuracy. Both are 1/37 odds.

RANDOM IS THE SAME AS RANDOM. IT MEANS NO f****** ACCURACY AT ALL. THIS MEANS NO ODDS CHANGE, NO RESULT CHANGE. YOU WILL LOSE.

Not knowing this previously doesn't mean you are stupid. But choosing to ignore it does.

Stop wasting your time on random accuracy methods. Sure develop whatever methods you want, but UNDERSTAND RANDOM = RANDOM = NOTHING CHANGES.

Don't be the casino's fool.

Stop re-inventing a broken wheel.

Start looking at NEW approaches.

Test the accuracy of your bet selection. Test properly.

Understand progression is just different size bets with random accuracy. It's the same as a different person making a different bet on a different spin. THE RESULT IS COMBINED, ALL PLAYERS LOSE. The same result if you made the bets yourself.

Take the quiz I created. Anyone who wants to learn will benefit from it.

Understand almost every system is a different elaborate way of achieving the same result: RANDOM ACCURACY.

Understand a test of a few hundred spins tells you NOTHING (unless you have additional supporting data). Even random bets can win over 1,000 spins. Even a genuine winning system can LOSE over 1,000 spins.

See the multiplayer-roulette leaderboard and understand that's exactly how a real casino works. The combined overall result is LOSS. There are individual winners and losers. The casino doesn't care who's losing system won only over specific spins. They are making a fool of you.

If you want to continue being the laughing stock of casino owners, ignore this. Otherwise..

PROPERLY TEST YOUR METHOD OF BET SELECTION AND INCREASE ACCURACY OF PREDICTIONS. IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE ODDS, YOU CHANGE NOTHING.

                                     - Steve
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 11:33 AM 2017
There's no system that works in the long term whether it's flat bet or not. it's just a wast of time. It's a ilusion.

The only way to have any chance of beating roulette is changing the odds predicting which sector the ball will land on. This can be done using VB and roulette computers.

Imho
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Ratwood85 on Nov 09, 11:46 AM 2017
tell to your Mom, Dad or Sister/Brother to write random 100numbers from 0-36 within 3minutes without thinking, just write it fast. Then start playing or wait till they show 10numbers or even 36numbers before you start guessing the next numbers they wrote. if you can beat it with your system/strategies then you are ready to go to casino.
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: psimoes on Nov 09, 12:00 PM 2017
That reminds of the story I read on a math book. How people´s perception of what random numbers are differs from real random outcomes:

A math teacher asked two students to toss a coin 50 times and write down the results. One student did toss the coin, the other cheated by just "randomly" writing down 50 outcomes without tossing a coin.

Student A: HTHHHHTTHTHHTHTTTTTHHHTHTTHHTTHHTHTHHHHHHHHTHHTTTTH

Student B: THHTTHTHHHTTHTHTHHTHTTTHTHTHTHTHHTTHHTHHTHHTHHTHHTTT

The teacher upon looking at the homeworks instantly noticed one student had cheated. Which one was?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 12:09 PM 2017
Eu não consegui adivinhar...

Qual dos alunos trapaceou?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Ratwood85 on Nov 09, 12:10 PM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 09, 12:00 PM 2017
That reminds of the story I read on a math book. How people´s perception of what random numbers are differs from real random outcomes:

A math teacher asked two students to toss a coin 50 times and write down the results. One student did toss the coin, the other cheated by just "randomly" writing down 50 outcomes without tossing a coin.

Student A: HTHHHHTTHTHHTHTTTTTHHHTHTTHHTTHHTHTHHHHHHHHTHHTTTTH

Student B: THHTTHTHHHTTHTHTHHTHTTTHTHTHTHTHHTTHHTHHTHHTHHTHHTTT

The teacher upon looking at the homeworks instantly noticed one student had cheated. Which one was?

you should tell the teacher to start gambling since he/she have a 100% accuracy of predicting which one is manipulated.. with theory of probability everything is possible
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: wiggy on Nov 09, 12:10 PM 2017
Obviously student B cheated.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Ratwood85 on Nov 09, 12:13 PM 2017
today playing at PT live casino. less than 2hours.

225u to 1030u
80spins
48 loss
32 win
FLATBET !!!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: psimoes on Nov 09, 12:23 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 12:09 PM 2017
Eu não consegui adivinhar...

Qual dos alunos trapaceou?

Wiggy guessed right. There will be chops AND streaks!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 12:32 PM 2017
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 09, 12:23 PM 2017
Wiggy guessed right. There will be chops AND streaks!

É mesmo! Só agora eu consegui perceber!

Algumas pessoas aqui acham que tem um sistema imbatível. Se eu tivesse um sistema ganhador eu não estaria aqui a perderes meu tempo discutindo com outras pessoas.
Eu estaria me preparando para ganhar muito dinheiro, ficar rico, escolher uma bela mansão e a cor da Ferrari que iria comprar.
Não faz sentido!
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 09, 12:55 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 12:32 PM 2017
É mesmo! Só agora eu consegui perceber!

Algumas pessoas aqui acham que tem um sistema imbatível. Se eu tivesse um sistema ganhador eu não estaria aqui a perderes meu tempo discutindo com outras pessoas.
Eu estaria me preparando para ganhar muito dinheiro, ficar rico, escolher uma bela mansão e a cor da Ferrari que iria comprar.
Não faz sentido!
Você realmente acredita que eles têm um sistema vencedor?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 01:00 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 09, 12:55 PM 2017
Você realmente acredita que eles têm um sistema vencedor?

Não acredito! Mas gostaria que eles tivessem. Creio que eles estão iludidos...
Tu acreditas?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Badger on Nov 10, 07:29 AM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 09, 07:41 AM 2017Hahaha got it 👍

Why different to a previous clue that you gave us?
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: MoneyT101 on Nov 10, 07:54 AM 2017
Quote from: Badger on Nov 10, 07:29 AM 2017
Why different to a previous clue that you gave us?

Which clue?  I'm not sure what your asking me..
Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: cht on Nov 10, 12:55 PM 2017
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 09, 01:00 PM 2017
Não acredito! Mas gostaria que eles tivessem. Creio que eles estão iludidos...
Tu acreditas?
There're only 2ways to beat casino games.

1. Advantage play - VB, rc....

2. Analyse variance fx base - requires mobile computer

Title: Re: Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference
Post by: Badger on Nov 10, 01:01 PM 2017
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 10, 07:54 AM 2017Which clue?  I'm not sure what your asking me..

It was a cryptic question directed at Priyanka. No problem.