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Title: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 27, 05:47 PM 2010
So to get topic started. . .
Roulette is a game of chance for some predictable for some. . unpredictable.
but still we all hope and believe that it is beatable in some ways. .

Facts that I know:
- Previous spin or number has nothing to do with the next spin
- There is no betting system that will win longterm and therefor there is no Holy Grail


My thoughts

-Probability.  For me I think it is useless to calculate anything related to probability because even if it is mathematically nearly impossible to happen. .  It will still happen and at that time it can do a lot of damage. .  roulette can do extreme and strange things. .

- Previous spin  has nothing to do with the next spin, - roulette still produces patterns that can be exploited with some logic and most important very good money management.  But you need brains, balls and bankroll to get some profit, and you can still lose. .  

- Wheel bias. .  Almost my favourite, but it is hard to find wheels today and it takes a lot of time to chart but at least it can be done. .

- Roulette can be boring (very boring)

- It is hard to be patient and disciplined

- Every shortterm eventually becomes a longterm

- There are strategies to get out in profit (but they usually require big bankroll and a lot of time)

- Everything takes time and patience

- The best way for me is try to take advantage of the wheel. . .  Bias or VB (but it is hard work)




cons that I am avare of:

- to be clear - roulette is never a guaranteed profit when you decide that you need some spare money. .

- you usually need a very huge bankroll to take a small profit if you don't have any advantage on the wheel itself.

- you can bust that very huge bankroll on your first attempt

- you just can't win big if you are not lucky

pros:

- casinos work 24/7 so you can play it anytime you want
- you can always say stop I don't want to do it anymore and leave
- you can win big
- you can have consistent wins

These are my first few things maybe I add some more later or maybe another day. .
For now:
Why roulette?
Is it worth the effort?
How much would you risk?

thru my gambling career I am now sure of a few things. . .  To win at roulette you must work and work does pay of. .  You can never just win big if you are following a strategy or if you want to make steady profits. .
For me - Roulette money is not easy money. .  It is hard earned money

good night  ;) and sorry for my English xD
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actually believe in..
Post by: Gizmotron on May 27, 06:23 PM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on May 27, 05:47 PM 2010
Facts that I know:
- Previous spin or number has nothing to do with the next spin
- There is no betting system that will win longterm and therefor there is no Holy Grail

Any previous set of spins can be part of a streak that continues for at least one more spin of that streak. Therefore past spins can be part of future results once they occur. So they do have something to do with future spins. They have coincidence.

There is a way to win long term.  Always quite a session while you are ahead or when you reach your goal. If you have more winning sessions than losing sessions then you have a long term winning method.

People that say these two concepts are not real and that they can't work never bother to tell your that they can't do these things. It's a minor over-site and part and parcel of dealing with people on the internet.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: VLS on May 27, 07:28 PM 2010
Thanks for sharing an thought-provoking first post Boo_ray, and welcome (again!) to our forum.




Quote from: Gizmotron on May 27, 06:23 PM 2010
If you have more winning sessions than losing sessions then you have a long term winning method.

I agree.

The game to play is the game of AVERAGES.

Losing sessions are somewhat unavoidable, so the thing that really counts is how little you lose when you lose contrasted with the overall amount you win from the sessions.

100% spot-on Mark,

Regards.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 28, 01:56 AM 2010
Quote from: Gizmotron link=topic=196. msg1065#msg1065 date=1274999035
Any previous set of spins can be part of a streak that continues for at least one more spin of that streak.

I agree. .  But next spin can also be the end of th streak. .  So relations between numbers can still be a coincidence. .

Quote from: VLS link=topic=196. msg1066#msg1066 date=1275002934
so the thing that really counts is how little you lose when you lose

I think that is the most important thing player has to learn. .  to lose as little as possible even on a losing sessions. . .



Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Jordan on May 28, 04:04 AM 2010
yes but it is not in ur hands to lose little,when u are playing a session with rules,because when u will have a loss, u will continue playing in the same session hoping that u will recover, or make the loss less....
Noone can tell u what will folow next!
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on May 28, 02:08 PM 2010
Quote from: Jordan link=topic=196. msg1071#msg1071 date=1275033855
yes but it is not in your hands to lose little,when you are playing a session with rules,because when you will have a loss,you will continue playing in the same session hoping that you will recover ,or make the loss less. . . .
no one can tell you what will follow next!

yes but when trying to recover from loss it is sensible to make a break to clear your head and maybe to wait for roulette to complete bad streak for you. .  or try to change style of play. .
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on May 28, 05:02 PM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on May 28, 01:56 AM 2010
I agree. .  But next spin can also be the end of the streak. .  So relations between numbers can still be a coincidence. .

I think that is the most important thing player has to learn. .  to lose as little as possible even on a losing sessions. . .




Boo welcome, this is my take on the so-called unbeatable game. People beat themselves. If you come to the wheel with a half decent strategy with a high enough strike rate and the neccessary personal skills. You are going to walk away a winner alot more than you lose or break even.
This idea that a bad session can/should wipe out your bankroll is alien to me. WHY? It can only happen if your strategy is no good to start with and you are using suicidal staking like the Martingale.

Every worthwhile strategy must have saftey mechanisms built in. Stop loss limits are essential. You at all times should be in control of how much you can potentially lose. And half of a strategies value comes from that loss being limited and infrequent. Otherwise you don't have a strategy worth anything, if everytime you face the wheel it can potentially wipe you out its worthless.

One of the biggest mistakes that newbies make is coming to the game with a paltry bankroll. As soon as they get a bad run they're finished. If you want to win 30 pounds a day you should have a bankroll of at least 1,000. Then you are aiming to generate 3% turnover per day. Which is very realistic. Too many gamblers try to win too great a sum of money in relation to their power-base. BIG MISTAKE. Make sure that your bankroll can withstand at least 10 losing sessions in a row or its too small.

I myself use Ã,£20 points. But I am drawing that from a 19,000 pound bankroll. If someone else were using that size point with say a 1,000 they're severely overstaking in relation to the size of their bankroll. Remember its money we are risking to make money. The bankroll is your powerbase. It must be respected and preserved at all times. Especially when it becomes your livelyhood. If you have a decent strategy like the crossplay 5 or THE zone. And you are playing it with a powerful bankroll. You are never going to lose it. Its only going to grow and grow.

Never underestimate the importance of good money management in roulette or any form of gambling. It can be the difference between success and failure. Setting stop loss limits is crucial to BE IN CONTROL. You may not be able to control what happens in every betting session. But you can control how much you lose. And set limits (reasonable ones) for how much you want to win on average per day. I aim for 5 points a day, anymore is a bonus. I never push to win too much in one day. Remember the less of your bankroll you expose to the wheel the better. Get in and out swiftly. Never play for a minute longer than you have to. Many people have destroyed themselves from the in-ability to quit at the right time. The shorter your session THE BETTER. Then house edge and downturn have little chance of getting you. Play long drawn out sessions. And you become a 99 percenter. Likely to lose by the end of the night. Be the 1 percenter who goes home or to bed, better off than he was. Thats my game. :o
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: MrJ on May 30, 01:42 PM 2010
Months back (on a few boards) I started two great threads. One was...Facts regarding roulette and the other was.....Opinions regarding roulette. It was lots of fun and got everyone thinking a bit. Of course I also had it posted at RF but it was deemed too 'disruptive' and not related to sales.  ???  Ken
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on Jun 01, 08:00 AM 2010
@fender

but do you know any method that wins 20% on your initial BR or something similar. .
because 3% for me is just not worth it, if method is not 100% sure and I know that nothing is 100% sure in roulette. .
I am not saying that its not capable of making some longterm profit. .

but on a good wheel with vb you can get more that 200% of br in one day. . .
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 01, 05:48 PM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 01, 08:00 AM 2010
@fender

but do you know any method that wins 20% on your initial BR or something similar. .
because 3% for me is just not worth it, if method is not 100% sure and I know that nothing is 100% sure in roulette. .
I am not saying that its not capable of making some longterm profit. .

but on a good wheel with vb you can get more that 200% of br in one day. . .

Boo Ray, NOT WORTH IT? Do you realize that anytime you walk away from the wheel with a profit, whether it be 3% or 300% you have done something most people don't believe possible. NEVER BE GREEDY. If you can generate a living from watching a ball spin around a wheel with 37 numbers you have already achieved what nearly everyone thinks is impossible. You have broken the game of ROULETTE.

For you to say 3% isn't worth it shows a lack of experience, everything is relative Boo Ray. If I make 3% a week from a 19,000 pound bankroll is that worth it or not? People who try to get rich quick from Roulette usually do THE OPPOSITE.

You cannot RUSH THINGS, you must run your strategy like a business. As your bankroll grows so do your investments (stakes) The idea is to increase what a POINT IS WORTH TO YOU. So you need to win LESS OF THEM, in order to generate a living. I for example can live off just 3 points profit a day. That is the equivalent of 60 pounds a day tax free 7 days a week is 420 pounds. Although I make anything from 800 to 2000 pounds a week. So this need to make hundreds of points a day is dangerous, and puts you at the mercy of the wheel.

You have to build your bankroll SLOWLY BUT SURELY. LETS SAY WHEN YOU START OUT A POINT IS WORTH 2 POUNDS TO YOU. With a strategy like the CROSSPLAY 5. You can generate 10--15 points profit a day. from 3 sessions. Within 3 months when a point is worth 4 pounds to you. 15 x 4 = 60 pounds average a day. That is living level. And you now have your destiny in your own hands. And let me tell you that is a helluva feeling. Knowing you anwser to no other for your living but your own skill at besting the wheel. So the first thing you need is a bankroll of ideally 500 pounds. In three months thats 1,000 easy. You now can make a living. Don't think about getting rich overnight BOO RAY, that is fools gold. Think about generating a living in the near future and you will.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on Jun 02, 02:19 AM 2010
I never said about winning overnight. . 
but I just want to know why you take 3% why not 10%?
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 02, 07:49 AM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 02, 02:19 AM 2010
I never said about winning overnight. .  
but I just want to know why you take 3% why not 10%?
Okay Boo Ray to start with what size bankroll do you have? That is your powerbase. The biggest mistake of ALLTIME made by people playing Roulette is they think they are going to turn a small bankroll into a fortune quickly. You need 250 POINTS minumum to be honest Boo Ray or you shouldn't be gambling.

Next you have to define you total risk on a game in relation your bankroll. If it cannot withstand 10 losing sessions it TOO SMALL.

Yes you may win 10% a day. But you have to work out the time spent and risk to do so. I have been saying this and will continue to do so. NEVER BET FOR A MINUTE LONGER THAN YOU HAVE TOO. The wheel can destroy you IF YOU ALLOW IT TO.

I will give you an example of what I realistically think you should aim for. If you have say a 300 point bankroll. Aim to increase it by 5% per day. OR 15 POINTS. That is very good believe me. In just 20 days you will have doubled it if you average that per day. IF you can honestly say you are growing your entire bankroll by 5% each and every day. You will get absolute respect from me and anyone else in the know about this game. I DON'T. I have days where I only make 1 or 2 percent. If I grew my power base by 5% everyday. I would be a millionaire by xmas. It is harder than you think believe me.

Let me show you what 300 points becomes in just 30 days if you can really grow your bankroll by 5% everyday. Watch this Boo Ray.

STARTING BANKROLL==300 POINTS
(01)=315
(02)=330
(03)=345
(04)=360
(05)=375
(06)=390
(07)=405
(08)=425
(09)=446.5
(10)=468.83
(11)=492.28
(12)=516.89
(13)=542.73
(14)=569.87
(15)=598.36
(16)=628.28------MORE THAN DOUBLED YOUR BANKROLL IN 16 DAYS
(17)=659.70
(18)=692.68
(19)=727.32
(20)=763.68
(21)=801.87
(22)=841.96
(23)=884.06
(24)=928.26------MORE THAN TREBLED YOUR BANKROLL IN 24 DAYS
(25)=974.68
(26)=1023.41----You have now reached a level where a living can be generated
(27)=1074.58
(28)=1128.31
(29)=1184.73
(30)=1243.96----MORE THAN QUADRUPPLED YOUR BANKROLL IN JUST 1 MONTH

Do you now see what I am saying now Boo Ray. If you can truly increase your bankroll by even 5% each and every day. You are doing EXTREMELY WELL. In just 30 days you will have quadruppled it and be at a level where a living can be generated from it. 5% a day is super fantastic Boo let me tell you. I have never been able to maintain it no one can REALLY. So forget all this 10% or more. If you can TRULY achieve 5% each and everyday. You will be very comfortable in just 1 year. ;D
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on Jun 02, 08:33 AM 2010
I know from the start what were you trying to say. . .  but for me stoping at 5% tells me that I am always and everytime highly exposed to bust my entire BR and 15 days to doubleing br is alot. . .  if you lose twice you must win day by day every day for a month just to break even. .

taking 300unit bankroll for example. .

I rather search 10 days to find a good wheel and spend another day to be sure that you can take advantage. . .  then on the 12th day bring half of your br (150 in this case) and triple it to 450 in a couple of hours. .  and ONLY if you are very unlucky you go home with lost 150br and you can still have another go. . . or if you already tripled it you can spend a couple more hours and bring BR to 1000 or more if you have enough stamina. .
that is way more that doubled br in less than 15 days. . .  without taking too much risk. .

but with a staking plan like you play (no advantage at all). . .  everytime you play you are exposed to high loss to win a small profit. .

I know only one method (without taking any advantage) that is capable to bring 10% consistently with only 100units. .  LW with 6 point div. .  I am not sure who deserves the credit. . but it is work of Victor(VLS) and Lanky
you can also double br with it but you must drink alot of energy drinks to do it in one go xD
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 02, 11:19 AM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 02, 08:33 AM 2010
I know from the start what were you trying to say. . .  but for me stoping at 5% tells me that I am always and everytime highly exposed to bust my entire BR and 15 days to doubleing br is a lot. . .  if you lose twice you must win day by day every day for a month just to break even. .

taking 300unit bankroll for example. .

I rather search 10 days to find a good wheel and spend another day to be sure that you can take advantage. . .  then on the 12th day bring half of your br (150 in this case) and triple it to 450 in a couple of hours. .  and ONLY if you are very unlucky you go home with lost 150br and you can still have another go. . . or if you already tripled it you can spend a couple more hours and bring BR to 1000 or more if you have enough stamina. .
that is way more that doubled br in less than 15 days. . .  without taking too much risk. .

but with a staking plan like you play (no advantage at all). . .  everytime you play you are exposed to high loss to win a small profit. .

I know only one method (without taking any advantage) that is capable to bring 10% consistently with only 100units. .  LW with 6 point div. .  I am not sure who deserves the credit. . but it is work of Victor(VLS) and Lanky
you can also double br with it but you must drink a lot of energy drinks to do it in one go xD
Boo Ray if you are in danger of losing half your bankroll something is wrong. I am not sure I can help you because you are leaving it to luck alright. VB is a dreamers game. You need a strategy like THE ZONE, or crossplay 5.I started with a bankroll of Ã,£100 in 2000. I now have over 19,000. Yes I have won over 1/8th of a million over the last 10 years but I draw living expenses from that. Otherwise it would be alot more. I did it SLOWLY BUT surely. If you lack PATIENCE. Forget it, you're doomed. Yes you may get lucky and win a chunk but you will always lose it again. Not my game at all. I am here to make a steady living and re-invest the profits I don't use. Thats the name of the game... ;D
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: GARNabby on Jun 02, 11:21 AM 2010
Good posts, FENDER.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Jordan on Jun 02, 11:48 AM 2010
   Roulette is just a game that has a negative expectation.
It is designed that way in order the player never to be able to overcome thein -2.7 in the long term.
Roulette can not been beaten and the proof is that it is still inside the casinos.
 So the conclution is that roulette is considered as a lucky  game for the player to pass his time having fun.(lossing is never fun although)
This fun that you are having is a service of the Casino and any service should get payed.and that's why you are losing. :)  

Now the reason why Roulette is a game that everyone like to search it and hope that he will beat it one day is coming from 2 factors(also called gamblers fallacy)

1)its the only game that you can see the past resaults(that they have no meaning at all)
2)you can make deferent kind of bettings(doz col etc....also without any meaning)

The sooner you will all understand this very simple truth...the sooner you will set your soul free.

The only reason for someone to gain a better advantage than the -2.7 is the Advantage-play methods.

even if i will not log in any Roulette forum for 10 years and come back then....everyone will be  still keep searching.

If there were a system that beats Roulette it would be wide known by now and the Roulette would have closed.
No secret that involvs MONEY is a secret.

I hope one day to realise all these.and when you will do....just remember the name JORDAN
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: superman on Jun 02, 12:57 PM 2010
Bah negative post Jordan, a month ago you had the grail, what happened?

I think people need to study random further, not give up, I only play RNG and trust me, there are patterns you CAN capitalise on, the only problem is as humans we can easily miss these patterns, and I am not talking about 'after 18 reds, bet black' that's rubbish and asking for trouble as we all know, EC's are were you should focus on, don't try to beat roulette, aim at beating random itself. 

Long live bots, just tell them where to look and they will!!
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on Jun 02, 04:31 PM 2010
I don't want to argue. .  but your game can also be dreamers game
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 03, 10:27 AM 2010
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 02, 11:48 AM 2010
  Roulette is just a game that has a negative expectation.
It is designed that way in order the player never to be able to overcome their -2.7 in the long term.
Roulette can not be beaten and the proof is that it is still inside the casinos.
 So the conclusion is that roulette is considered as a lucky  game for the player to pass his time having fun.(losing is never fun although)
This fun that you are having is a service of the Casino and any service should get payed.and that's why you are losing. :)  

Now the reason why Roulette is a game that everyone like to search it and hope that he will beat it one day is coming from 2 factors(also called gamblers fallacy)

1)its the only game that you can see the past results(that they have no meaning at all)
2)you can make different kind of bettings(doz col etc....also without any meaning)

The sooner you will all understand this very simple truth...the sooner you will set your soul free.

The only reason for someone to gain a better advantage than the -2.7 is the Advantage-play methods.

even if i will not log in any Roulette forum for 10 years and come back then....everyone will be  still keep searching.

If there were a system that beats Roulette it would be wide known by now and the Roulette would have closed.
No secret that involves MONEY is a secret.

I hope one day to realise all these.and when you will do....just remember the name JORDAN
I am afraid you are very wrong in that assumption Jordan I have been making my living playing this game for the last 6 years. And there is something new on the horizon thats about to decode the game once and for all. I am not breaking it yet because its not my idea. But it is a grail of no equal.

The reason that roulette still stands is the human beings that play it themselves. NOT THE SYSTEMS. If you could program enough people to think and play exactly like I do. ROULETTE IS DONE. I gaurantee you of that. Now with the ultimate strategy about to hit this forum. I will even invite you along with me Jordan in 2011 when I hit Vegas like its never been hit before. You will see before your very eyes how beatable this game is. And you will revise your thought process in a hurry. I promise you that.  ;D
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Gizmotron on Jun 03, 12:02 PM 2010
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 03, 10:27 AM 2010
... Now with the ultimate strategy about to hit this forum. I will even invite you along with me Jordan in 2011 when I hit Vegas like its never been hit before. You will see before your very eyes how beatable this game is. And you will revise your thought process in a hurry. I promise you that.  ;D

I thought you were going to take down Vegas in 2012 ? What happened? Did you discover that the world was supposed to come to an end in 2012 ? If you aren't selling something on the side somewhere then you are missing all that good fortune you are presenting. You might want to admit that you are in fact selling something. How could you not be? Anyone that reads your claims knows that you change your tune more than a juke box does. I'm just saying that this claim contradicts your past claims. Why is that?
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: GARNabby on Jun 03, 12:31 PM 2010
Yes, giz, that's what i was wondering with that latest post from FENDER.

"Taking down Vegas" with what...  Math?  VB?   At least hint at what such a system is based on before selling those "books" which haven't been written.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: Boo_Ray on Jun 03, 05:45 PM 2010
Vegas will go broke due to fender. . .  I want to see how he does it. .  well maybe he is selling plane tickets to las vegas or something. .

@fender. . .
you have a dreamers game. . .  and you have alot to learn. . .  specialy that it doesnt make any diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . . 

So fender a quick example. . . .  You are playing your whatever method that is and get lucky and win your 3% of your your BR . . . . but just as you stoped another guy joins for next spin  and plays exactly the same as you would. . .  Is now he more exposed to fail because combined profit would be 6% of 1 BR? 
and if he just accidently make another 3%, ANOTHER guy decides to play the next spins(exactly the same). . .  Now is he realy pushing the limits and luck because a combined profit would be whooping 9%?
Basicly it is same with you. . . . Just that you are the same guy, but another day. . .

and again I just wan't to know what makes the diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . .  is it realy more likeli to fall next? and do you know that you might just miss some profit during that wait to miss 4 times. . .  maybe right now it comes 10times in a row and you just missed it, then it sleeps for 4 spins make a bet and lose because nothing unordinary happened and dozen slept for 5th time. . or am I just dreaming because ball realy has brains and knows that it is statisticly just not right to sleep for another spin or another 20 spins?
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: trebor on Jun 03, 05:56 PM 2010
Fender, I take it that you will be rich enough to retire when you go to Vegas because the publicity you will generate when the casinos stock market values fall will destroy your income.

I think you should reconsider your plans.  I want to carry on playing roulette after 2012.

Trebor.

Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 04, 06:25 AM 2010
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 03, 12:02 PM 2010
I thought you were going to take down Vegas in 2012 ? What happened? Did you discover that the world was supposed to come to an end in 2012 ? If you aren't selling something on the side somewhere then you are missing all that good fortune you are presenting. You might want to admit that you are in fact selling something. How could you not be? Anyone that reads your claims knows that you change your tune more than a juke box does. I'm just saying that this claim contradicts your past claims. Why is that?

Giz how are you? What am I selling? Have you ever seen me asked for money for any of my strategies? Give it up you are smarter than that. I need not a penny from anyone. I make plenty from doing what I preach. Thats the whole point of my argument Giz. No I have brought it forward by a year. Because a certain member of this forum has just decoded the game. I AM SERIOUS. And I have been testing it and made a fortune already.It will be free to all once its fully proofed by me and my friend. It is 99% bullet proof. We are just looking to make it even better before releasing it to Joe public.  ;D
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 04, 06:35 AM 2010
Quote from: trebor on Jun 03, 05:56 PM 2010
Fender, I take it that you will be rich enough to retire when you go to Vegas because the publicity you will generate when the casinos stock market values fall will destroy your income.

I think you should reconsider your plans.  I want to carry on playing roulette after 2012.

Trebor.


Trebor RELAX, I have no intention of destroying Vegas. No single person could ever do that. My objective is to PROVE once and for all that ROULETTE CAN BE SYSTEMATICALLY BEATEN. Thats all. And in the 2 weeks I spend there I will do exactly that.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: atlantis on Jun 04, 08:06 AM 2010
Quote
And I have been testing it and made a fortune already.It will be free to all once its fully proofed by me and my friend. It is 99% bullet proof. We are just looking to make it even better before releasing it to Joe public.

Hi Fender,
If you need any help in testing (before or after) let me know.

A.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: trebor on Jun 04, 08:28 AM 2010
Phew! Thanks for the reassurance Fender. I was really sweating.

Trebor
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: FENDER1000 on Jun 05, 05:31 PM 2010
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 03, 05:45 PM 2010
Vegas will go broke due to fender. . .  I want to see how he does it. .  well maybe he is selling plane tickets to las vegas or something. .

@fender. . .
you have a dreamers game. . .  and you have a lot to learn. . .  specialy that it doesn't make any diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . . 

So fender a quick example. . . .  You are playing your whatever method that is and get lucky and win your 3% of your your BR . . . . but just as you stoped another guy joins for next spin  and plays exactly the same as you would. . .  Is now he more exposed to fail because combined profit would be 6% of 1 BR? 
and if he just accidently make another 3%, ANOTHER guy decides to play the next spins(exactly the same). . .  Now is he realy pushing the limits and luck because a combined profit would be whooping 9%?
Basicly it is same with you. . . . Just that you are the same guy, but another day. . .

and again I just wan't to know what makes the diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . .  is it realy more likeli to fall next? and do you know that you might just miss some profit during that wait to miss 4 times. . .  maybe right now it comes 10times in a row and you just missed it, then it sleeps for 4 spins make a bet and lose because nothing unordinary happened and dozen slept for 5th time. . or am I just dreaming because ball realy has brains and knows that it is statisticly just not right to sleep for another spin or another 20 spins?
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Boo you are not understanding the reason WE WAIT FOUR SPINS BEFORE BETTING. and here it is. ON AVERAGE, 50% of losing  streaks for the dozens come to rest on THE 5TH OR 6TH SPIN.

Now think about that for a moment, in a random game with a ball that has no memory. THOSE TWO SPINS OWN HALF THE MARKET. WHETHER A STREAK GOES 5 SPINS OR 30. Is not the point. The point is I know I can expect a strike rate of around 50%. And from that knowledge the Crossplay 5 and Zone draw their success. If you don't believe me test it for yourself. Once your can see a pattern like that you can forge a strategy to take advantage of it. Thats how you win at Roulette. Strike-rate percentage rule this game and always will. It matters not about negative expectancy and house edge. They cannot take away the fact that strike rate delivers
Constantly.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 05, 06:20 PM 2010
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 04, 06:35 AM 2010
Trebor RELAX, I have no intention of destroying Vegas. No single person could ever do that. My objective is to PROVE once and for all that ROULETTE CAN BE SYSTEMATICALLY BEATEN. that's all. And in the 2 weeks I spend there I will do exactly that.
Roulette can be systematically beaten----That is a fact----
Im doing it for years,but don't have to prove it to anybody,or do I ????
No sir.Nor would I ever publish it public/the method you are making profit of/
while some claim incredible invisible things hopping that somebody else may make their ideas better,swapping the suggested method several times and in the end all will be forgoten very soon.Tomorrow a new idea will be born,with same unbeatable claims.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jun 05, 08:51 PM 2010
In keeping with the topic...........  Why do I play it?  What do I believe in?


First and foremost, I play for fun.  If it wasn't fun, why do it?  Starting with a bankroll and seeing how long I can keep it.  Trying to play perfectly without error.  Testing the system to the fullest.

I believe that the wheel does things in bursts.  How long do these bursts last?  Anyone's guess!  While playing the G.U.T. I noticed that what the wheel does today, it may not do tomorrow.  When the wheel worked for me, I played;  When the wheel was being spun by the Devil, I logged off and dug in the dirt.

I once said, while playing the VLS LW Methodology, that I could tell which way the wind was blowing.  Meaning whether to stay or go.  Worked pretty darn well.  I did not use a progression and won a little here and there.  To me, a progression is like charging something on your credit card and thinking you never have to pay.  You do!

I must compliment fender1000 as the man writes well.  (Not to insult those whose first language is not English!)  I find myself wanting to believe in what I know to be as phony as a "Top Hat" for an oil spill.

Lastly, it's always fun to try to do that which has never been done, i.e., to find the "Holy Grail" of roulette. 

Hint:  It may lie with Parrando!

Sam
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: albalaha on Jun 09, 08:24 AM 2010
We play roulette to prove that we can predict numbers more accurately than others.  This is a game of speculation.  The most complex gambling that mankind has ever seen.  It seems to be very predictible when we think of even money bets but when we get a losing streak, the game looks toughest to conquer.  It is a trap but attractive one like wine and women.
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: VLS on Jun 09, 08:41 AM 2010
Welcome albalaha!

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 09, 08:24 AM 2010
It is a trap but attractive one like wine and women.

I don't do wine ;)
Title: Re: Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..
Post by: atlantis on Jun 09, 10:17 AM 2010
Quote from: FENDER1000 on Jun 04, 06:25 AM 2010
Because a certain member of this forum has just decoded the game. I AM SERIOUS. And I have been testing it and made a fortune already.It will be free to all once its fully proofed by me and my friend. It is 99% bullet proof. We are just looking to make it even better before releasing it to Joe public.  ;D

Hi Fender,

Thought you were going to quench our excitement with the unveiling of this new system on Monday?
Anyhow, eagerly looking forward to the reveal... I hope its worth the wait.

Regards,
Atlantis.